Aspects: the 90 degree square

So we're talking about the square today, all right? The 90-degree aspect. One of the biggest character-building aspects that we have. That's what all the hard aspects are. That this is an aspect of building a 90-degree angle. Think of how often we use it in building when we want something to be square, when we want it to be stable. We use a 90-degree angle. So where we also talked about the 45-degree angle, the semi-square, also an aspect.

[Music] Can we have everybody mute? And so the 45-degree angle, the 90-degree angle, very critical when it comes to construction. What is constructive? Squares tend to start out as destructive factors within our personalities because we're learning to use two functions, two, uh, parts of ourselves, two needs, two psychological faculties, two motivations. That's what the site, the signs are. We're learning to use the difference between those constructively. And we start out, uh, not having learned the lesson because, well, that's the nature of a lesson, right? I mean, most of us don't come screaming into the world having learned all of our lessons. We can learn some sooner than later and better than others. Uh, sometimes we learn a lesson completely, sometimes not quite. And sometimes, you know, it has to come around 16 times in a row before we finally get it. Squares are our greatest lessons. They are our greatest tests. It's a test of will over inertia.

So we have elements that are square to each other, signs that are square to each other. We have fire and water, and earth and fire, and, uh, air and [Music] and earth and air and water. And so that's why a grand cross is so difficult because we actually are pulled between all four of these major factors. So when we have a square aspect, it looks like this, right? It's a 90-degree angle. And we have a T-square, we have something that looks like this, right? So with a square, we are separating ourselves from the past and going towards the building of our future. These are the greatest aspects that propel us towards the building of self-conscious awareness. So we are on the way to the opposition as we're going through all of these aspects. We're building towards the opposition, the full moon, the full awareness. And this is where we have a half awareness. This is where this, the, uh, is half. It's a half moon when we have a square. So we are acting out of the past, and we are presented with the decision to go into the future.

So let's look at it as a car coming around a corner. So as we go around the corner, we drive into it, we speed up, and then we slow down as we get around the bend, and then we speed up as we come out of it. So with a square, we are slowing around the bend and then speeding up towards the opposition. So as we come away from the conjunction, slowing and speeding up towards the opposition. So there's a going towards the fullness of awareness. That's what the, the square indicates in the full, uh, the full cycle of aspects. So we have some amount of, uh, awareness, and we have some amount of what we've brought with us at the conjunction, what the past is, what we were born with, what we're bringing to the table. And then what is that comes, you know, that meets at the corner of reality there? What we brought with us and what is the reality? What are the actual materials that we have to work with? So we learn to build with what we've been given.

So typically, we feel very frustrated with squares. We feel that internally, we don't have all of the, I, I say that we don't have the correct tools, or we have a problem. We have something within us, an action that's coming up, another action against another action that's creating a problem in our external world. We don't project with the squares the way that we do with oppositions. These are more of an internal, um, conflict that we have here. So we have to use these conflicting energies, these conflicting ways within us constructively in order to be able to move forward towards the goal, the goal of total self-awareness.

So when I think of squares, I think of that bumper sticker that I see sometimes, and it says, "Do what you can with what you have got where you are," or something to that effect. It says it a little bit more poetically than that, but that's what squares really are about. Because we have something within us that, you know, it's kind of the way we are, but then we also have an idea about what we want to be, or where we'd like to go, or what we'd like to have, or where we'd like to end up, or a goal. So there's who we are, what we've been born with, what we've been given, and what we want, where we want to be. Where is the, the, the idea of what we'd like to add to that? And oftentimes, we find at that corner of who we are, what we've been given, and what we want, and what is our larger goal, we find tension. So we have to learn to work constructively, to combine constructively what we've got with what we want.

So a very basic lesson, a very, very basic lesson, um, that I can get very practical, visual, that I can give, very watered down. So let me see if I can find the picture here. I might be able to. It, oh, it is in this iPad. Okay, let's see. It's taking quite a lot of time there. All right, can we see that? That's a picture of my potting shed. Is that showing up? Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. So this is the potting shed. Now, if you notice, it's covered with plastic lattice. That is because what I was given, what I was working with, was an old, yellow, cracked, uh, ineffective eight by ten or six by eight greenhouse was what it used to be. So what I wanted was a potting shed, but I didn't want to go through all of the, the work that it was going to take to take out the structure and put in a new structure. And it would have been expensive. And so I decided to work with what I had. So what I had was this, this structure here. So I took off the panels, I took off the roof, and my husband actually zip-tied all of these custom-cut, uh, lattice panels to the shed. So the point is, I had what I wanted. It wasn't, uh, is something that I was able to materialize out of thin air because I had to work with what I had, what I'd been given. But I was able to modify that. I was able to add to that in a way where I was able to accomplish my dream. That is what squares are asking of us. We have something that we've carried forward, started with from the conjunction, the unity. We're going towards the collective, we're going towards the social at the opposition. So we're halfway there with the square. We are developing ways of being that are going to get us closer to knowing who we are. That is the culminating opposition, that's the goal there.

So when we have success, when we bring these two functions within us into a constructive relationship, that is the character building. That's the building angle that we see at 90 degrees. 45 degrees. What did we get out of it? We built character. We built, well, look at my grip, my little potting shed. It has character. Think of it, if I went and bought something that I could, you know, if I had all the options, I would have probably bought something that, you know, looked very fancy and classy and expensive and had columns, and it wouldn't have turned out the way it turned out. It would not have character. And that is what we get. We get something unique out of it when we solve the issue.

So, um, positive [Music] behaviors can come out of squares. In the beginning, before we solve the test, before we build the character, we tend to find that we have, uh, negative reactions. We have negative behaviors that happen between these planets. And, um, it's where we can feel that we aren't moving forward. We can feel stuck in those squares because, think of it, the example of when we are a car, we're coming around that bend. Now we're coming into it, and we have to put the brakes on. And this is often where we get stuck with our squares, as we have the brakes on and we're afraid to put our foot back onto the gas pedal. We have to put our foot back onto the gas pedal in order to speed up and get out of that turn. So when we accept the challenge of doing something different, or of growing, or going towards that goal of awareness, and that's often when we stop operating out of fear, and we put our foot on the gas, and then we zoom towards the goal. We finally make headway.

So, so many of us, especially in our, uh, uh, yeah, 20s, mid-30s, sometimes our, our early 40s, I think before we get through those midlife, uh, crisis aspects, really the culminating Uranus opposition, age 44. I think we're really focusing on the squares in our character and in our chart because we can really feel it at that stage of development that we need to move forward. We have a certain amount of life behind us, the first part of the square, and then we have so much life ahead of us, and we know that if we don't step on the gas, then we are not going to make it. So this is often that, that crisis that can push us forward. Squares can involve crisis in our life, and it is these crises that make us move when we are frozen. Those can be the squares in our character, in our charts, I've yet to build into character, I should say. And we need to look at, uh, what is it? What is the decision? Because where's our decision? We're deciding. We're dissecting. Think of the half moon. It's dissected in half. We're dissecting between this and that. And these are practical aspects. We have to take into account what we have and what we want, and work with what is at hand.

So oftentimes, not everything is at hand. We have a certain amount of things to choose from. And for some of us, you know, depending on our economic situation and where we come from and the culture that we live in, um, we can find that we may have less options to choose from. We may have less on our plate. And it can add even more pressure to a situation that we feel is, you know, something where we are really being feeling held back. And we have to deal with it to the best of our ability. And sometimes we have to accept that, you know what, it's an unfair world. It is. And we do our best to help each other. We do our best to extend ourselves to each other. But sometimes we have to accept that, you know, we weren't understood, or we weren't given the right opportunity, or we, we were born into a family that maybe didn't support us. And given all of that, and then what we want, and what we want to be, we have to work with what we've got and do the best we can to move forward into what we want.

So I think it's so easy to, to, um, uh, to, to feel that resistance. And, and we can have, um, squares that even, you know, don't present us with a great psychological crisis or or issue. They can be a square that maybe is resulting in gluttony or something like that. But we're still going to have to look at what is it that we've always sort of the habits that we've always brought into things, and what is it that we'd like to be, or, uh, the healthy idea that we may have of ourselves. So what kind of changes are we going to need to make within ourselves? Sometimes squares don't present us with the deepest crisis of character, but sometimes they do. So that bumper sticker, "Work with what you've got where you are." Uh, I'm not saying it very poetically, but or maybe that other saying that we could, we could use, "Bloom where you're planted." That's a very Saturn saying, I would say. Uh, sometimes we don't get to choose the soil, but we bloom the best that we can with what we've got. And, and I think a lot of times we can still acknowledge that there are some unfairnesses in life. That's true. That's true. But we still do the best we can with what we've got. It doesn't erase those unfairnesses, but, you know, we acknowledge that they're there, and we move forward the best we can, and try to change, try to change things, try to make the world a better place, try to bring equanimity and fairness to things. But it's not always there for us.

So squares are what make us move forward, even though it requires great energy, and it can require great, I'm going to say, sometimes great energy of spirit to move forward because sometimes all we have left is a dream. We can feel so beat down and depleted sometimes that all we have left is a dream. And if we can try one more time, it's often that time when we have a square that we finally put our foot on the gas. So we do not want to give up. We do not want to give up with our squares because if we do, we fall back, and then it takes that much more energy. That means the lesson comes back again. And oftentimes, the lesson, if we don't learn it, it comes back more severely, especially if we've made a prior decision to act, I would say, not to act, but to fall back into fear. That's oftentimes what can create the biggest karmic lessons for us. The biggest slap could be when we fall back into fear rather than move forward into the unknown. Yes, Katie, the karmic slap. That's what we get if we don't make those square decisions and put our muscle into it because these are muscle builders. Think of what it is to build muscle. It takes energy, and we're actually tearing the tissue. And the reason that it's building into a bigger, more defined muscle is actually scar tissue that's replacing that tissue. The more we tear it, the stronger it becomes. That's very much that tearing that we see at the square, the tearing of the forces within us. The more that we bring them together and we constructively work with what we've got, it turns into muscle.

So that feeling after we've worked out and torn muscle of, um, uh, you know, still being in repair, we're very sore, we need lots of sleep, we need lots of fluid, we need extra protein. We have to baby ourselves a bit. That's what we're psychologically doing when we aren't learning. We haven't quite learned that square lesson. We're babying ourselves a bit. And when we finally do make that turn, put our foot on the gas towards the unknown, which is actually us becoming completely known. So ironic. Then we build that muscle, and we have something to show for it, something to show for our work, something in the world. See, something happens in the world. We produce something. These are producing aspects. Something comes of it. And there could be any number of things that come from it. It could be a talent, it could be a job, it could be, um, patience. There could be any number of things that we could gain because that's what we do when we work out. We gain [Music] we gain tone, we gain muscle, we gain health. And these are our aspects where we have to work out. We have to work something out.

So there's so many combinations of planets or planets and points that can be in square aspect, and all of them represent tension between the two. So we want to use that building tension towards something that is a, can become a really solid component of our life. We don't build castles in the sky with square aspects. We build tangible things. We build things like that we can really see working in our life in a real way. So they can be extremely rewarding to figure out. And the more that we have connected to each other, the more that does represent, um, connecting layers, especially if you have a grand cross, T-squares, 90-degree squares, squares connected to 45-degree angles or sesquiquadrant 135-degree angles. We can have different, uh, configurations that can show that there's this tearing, super tearing of character or muscle that, you know, can show a complex of difficulties. It can just be so difficult to move forward because we have these different, these different inner ways of being, these different needs that are staring at each other. And it's learning to get them to work together constructively. So we aren't building a house upon the sand. We're building it upon the rock.

I think we had a comment. Let me pick that up here. Uh, yes, we will be going through all of these things further. Um, yes, we're going to be talking about, uh, why we associate the different aspects with a certain harmonic, a certain sign, a certain house, all of those things. Uh, we'll just go into deeper and deeper layers of all this. Nerve dome, Stacy. Um, so, you know, the basic idea of a square is there are two elements that have nothing in common because of their aspect. Um, you know, like oppositions have something in common, but, but square elements don't. Um, so when you're looking at a chart and you're deciding if it's a square, are you just looking for 90 degrees, or do you make sure that the signs are actually square to each other? I make sure that they are in square signs. I don't consider out-of-sign squares. A lot of astrologers do, so there's, there's no agreement among that. That is my opinion. So it depends on who you ask. I thought squares have modality in common. They do. They are not like a, um, is they have most things, uh, uh, in conflict, right? Are completely foreign to each other, right?

Um, Anya, did you have something? I also wanted to ask about the modalities. So, do you hear me? Yes. Yes. No, well, when it comes to the modality, would you say that, let's say you have a fixed modality, it is more difficult to overcome this square or just to handle that? Because, um, I'm not sure. I, I can't understand the question clearly enough. Stacy, did you understand that? No, I wasn't listening. Is that make it harder? Is it, does that make it harder to work through the square? Does that make sense? Um, let's see. A little thick today. I, I can't seem to envision. So thank you for your, your, like, for example, with me, my message. Yes, I have a square to Neptune in Sagittarius. So that's a mutable. I think she means like the, that's mutable. Would that make it easier to work with rather than if it was, say, like Scorpio or Taurus? Makes a thick sign. Well, so there's something that, there's a little give there, I'd say, rather than having two things completely, you know, coming up up against a brick wall. So there's some amount of, uh, a commonality, I guess. So Kenya, what do you think? Personally, I think fixed squares are trash. And I say this as someone who has a, a fixed T-square and a cardinal. See, well, I have a, I have a lot of squares, but I have a fixed thing going on, a cardinal thing going on. The fixed thing is just like, you know, these three immovable parts of the psyche that just don't want to do what the other one wants to do. You know, like, for instance, I have Taurus Moon, which is, you know, stubborn, um, and, uh, Scorpio, you know, Venus and Pluto, and, uh, Leo Chiron. So like this, it's a very painful argument that they're having, I find in my life, um, and the lessons, especially with Chiron at the apex, that tends to come from that configuration, tend to be very extreme and very intense because it's just very fixed energy. I have a cardinal T-square with my Sun, um, Neptune and Uranus conjunction in Mars, and that because it's cardinal energy, it's more productive. So that T-square, like, especially involved, considering the planets involved, the fact that Mars and the Sun are involved, like they make me do things. They make me a proactive, like, citizen, you know, in in in society. So that sucks too, in many ways, because it's tiring, especially the Sun-Mars square. It's just like, in cardinal signs, it's just like I'm constantly feeling like I have more to do. Like, it's there's a restlessness to it, but it's at least productive. Whereas with the fixed square, it just seems like they're just yelling at each other to no end. Um, I don't have very much mutable energy in my chart. Mutable squares, just off the top of my head, seem like they would be more elusive. Like there would be, you know, an internal conflict that seems a little bit more mysterious. Well, yeah. Well, just to read from, um, Sue Tompkins, take, she says in, um, well, that yes, um, fixed squares are harder to deal with. And I can just read. It says, "In its most negative form, the uncertainty of the square can render us incapable of doing it all. We cannot find the way." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. "When this happens, the energies are blocked in a kind of stalemate situation. This is particularly likely to happen with fixed squares and perhaps with Pluto contacts." Oh, I can see that. I can see that. That certain aspects with a certain, because this, this is the, the energy of inertia that some aspects can lend themselves more or less difficult, uh, to certain, I'm going to say, certain signs or certain elements there. So we're going to defer to Kenya's opinion that, yes, he was just thinking about. So the fact that it's in Virgo is not going to help because it is a, that was just my, that was just my, um, example. I'm so sorry. I think she was just talking more about the fixed. Like I was just using my, my childhood. Okay. Okay. That's right. I, I was off there. Yes. So yes, I'm talking about the fixed can be more difficult. But yeah, and mutable can be difficult in its own way because that's where we're kind of shifting back and forth. And then, uh, the different, uh, elements can or modalities can just present their specific issues. All right. I was just going to say, even just thinking about the energy of a modality, you know, fixed signs have more staying power. You know, there's, they are sustaining energy. So, you know, the conflicts that happens with fixed squares, it's, it has this sustaining, intense, exactly what you said, inertia kind of quality to it. Whereas cardinal energy is about, it's initiation, it's about, you know, something at the end of the ground. Yeah. So that's putting the foot on the pedal. Exactly. Having it, uh, you know, off the pedal. So we're coasting around, I think, is the fixed energy there, right? Right, right. Um, and then the mutable, yeah, just seems like it could be this very slippery, elusive tug of war where, you know, maybe one position is more clear, and then the other position is more clear at another time, and there could be more vacillation that causes wishy-washiness. Yes, definitely wishy-washy. I would like to add something. Yes. I hope now you can understand me better. Changed the phones, the headset. So, um, when it comes to the fixed square, I do have a T-square and a fixed signs in fixed signs, yes, with the Moon, Venus, and Uranus, and the Moon also conjunct to Mars. And I really struggled with that for many years. Now, in different ways, it's not just one special situation. It's, it's all over the place, different situations. And what I now find helpful for me, this is what I want to share, is really to, to not really just to push the brakes, but to just do nothing and recognize all the different positions, stay there, and do nothing. This is now, for me, a very helpful solution because the Mars is always pulling to, to do something, go here and there. It is also in the first house, the Mars, so that wants to solve the issue in different ways, sometimes going for the Moon, sometimes for the Venus, sometimes for the Uranus. All is pushing and pulling in different directions, but somehow it feels so stuck, so fixed, so, so no solution to, I don't know where to go to. But I find some peace now, just to see all the different sides, see them, accept them, and just feel the different feelings without doing nothing. So at least I don't need to correct the next day because you're giving up the fight. It sounds like, yeah, this feels like some kind of peace. I see that there is something around the corner, like you described. I see that there is a solution, but I cannot grab it right now. But it feels like, um, it feels like some kind of peace, just to recognize and accept all the different positions because all they all of them want to have their their right within my person. So, and just to see that, okay, this time I want that, this is awesome to consider. And so they are so different, and just to let them be what they are without doing nothing to anybody. So just making no decisions to go in any direction, just this feeds me and makes me feel peaceful right now. Yes, that can be the peak of the curve. That's when we recognize, I have these ways of being, these forces within me, these needs. And to recognize them for what they are, not for the issues that they're causing. To have that perspective, to say, you know, on the one hand, I'm this way and I want this, and this is my need here. And on the other hand, I'm this way and I want this, and I really want to need this. And then over here, there's this set of needs that I really want too. And all of them require working with the other need. So that very simple example I gave of my potting shed, I wanted something new, but I had to work with what I had. The conflict was, I, I couldn't expend the energy or the time or the money to put up something completely of my own choosing. And it would have been a waste. I didn't want to throw all that into the landfill. I was able to repurpose every part of that old greenhouse. And so I had to look at, what are the things that I want? I want something new, but given the cost, I can't do that. And so I'll work with what I have. And that's when we stand back and we take stock of what are these different points of the problem. Say, uh, another simple example, we want to be a certain weight, but we want to eat pumpkin pie. We have a conflict here. And we have to honestly look at it and say, okay, I want both of these things. If we're just looking at the, just the intersection of the problem, as if I can't lose weight, I can't lose weight, I can't lose weight. Well, let's look at why. What are the two things that are in conflict? We have an appetite for pumpkin pie, and we want to lose weight. So we have to take these two things into consideration because both of these things are a fact. These are a factor. So if, and, and we can't completely ink out one of them. So we have to eat some amount of pumpkin pie and allow the part of us that wants to be thinner and healthy, or have a certain self-image, to be the one that we go towards. See, there's always one planet that is the comfort factor, the fear factor, the one that's representing the past. The dark side of the moon, the lit side of the moon of the half moon, is the one that we're going towards, that full self-awareness, the opposition, the full moon, the gift of increasing perfection. We never get fully perfect, but we do get to where we show our flower. We're developing our flowers still at the square. So these are very important aspects because they are often the crux of the problem, particularly if we have one square and then another square represents what is the at the crux of the problem. We're going to look at it like at the intersection of this and that. We have this. And, uh, if we can start to get things to work together rather than against each other within ourselves, we can finally move forward. We can finally make some headway.

So, um, harmony is what we come to instead of feeling torn. I think all of us have experienced that feeling of feeling torn. That's the square. And then we feel like all of our parts are on board. That's where we feel like we're not having to assert any energy. Things are easy. So we have to have these character builders, but we don't want to be building all the time. You just have to reach down here for a second. We want to be able to get the house built, and then we are maintaining. Because I think that we always have to stay on top of ourselves when it comes to changes that we make because all of us can fall back into old patterns. I think we all have to, we have to watch ourselves because even somebody who say has the most enlightening experience and say they've, they interpret themselves as completely leaving their ego behind, they're gonna have to watch themselves because they couldn't come back at any time. They do not believe that it goes away and it never comes back. It's something that's always, always going to be present. And we have to know ourselves well enough to know when we are slipping into old patterns, we're slipping into, uh, inertia again. And sometimes we gotta pull ourselves back out of our hole and start over again. So, um, you know, sometimes we really truly do get the lesson, and then it's just minor maintenance after that. And, and I, maybe every once in a while, we do get a lesson that we just learned so thoroughly that we never go back. I think it's more rare, but it is possible.

Oksana has a question. Oh, forte, a really good comment there. Oksana, how do you think Jupiter and Pluto squaring the Sun would affect someone's ego and identity, considering that Saturn also falls in the first house? So Saturn is in the first house, and Sun is square to Jupiter and Pluto. So we have, uh, the Sun in a conflict, uh, with, uh, Pluto on the one side, and conflict with Jupiter on the other. And coming to, in a way that we can use the incredible self-awareness that a Sun squared and Pluto can bring, but that also comes with a lot of potential for fear. Uh, we can act a lot of times out of fear, uh, with that particular square before we really start to realize that, uh, we have to abandon ourselves to life, just abandon ourselves to it. Because if we don't, we always feel that cold breath of death down our neck, and it tends to motivate most of what we do. So we're motivated by death anxiety greatly with those difficult aspects from Sun to Pluto, and really have to come to the realization that, you know what, we're going to die anyway, so we might as well live while we can, and to live with abandon, and abandon ourselves to life, and to allow that solar power to really be what we go towards, that energy of life, rather than acting out of that fear of death.

And then on the other side, we have that Sun and that conflict to Jupiter. And oftentimes, we are learning to, to control ourselves with that one, or to come to some limits. It can be a very hedonistic, uh, square there. So we have, um, the confidence that could come from that on the one hand, and sometimes it can be inappropriate confidence. We can over-evaluate what we can do, or what we can give, or, uh, what we can get out of a situation. Um, and on the other side, we can run into the problem with the Sun squared of Pluto, where we can undervalue or underevaluate what we could get. We have more of a negative assumption about what things could be. So, learning to evaluate properly the, uh, the way, or get to know yourself so well that you can know how the ego, because the ego's at the center, can be responsible for the judgments and the ways that we think ourselves up, or in accordance to how we want to see ourselves, how you want to see yourself. How you eat the construction of the ego is often responsible for the way that you can judge things, more of an over-inflated way, or participate in an over-inflated way. And the other side of things, and to really look at, well, what is it that my self-image is requiring? You know, why, why is it that, uh, I need to give that meaning to thing or that thing, or see something in a certain way, give a certain idea to something? That's all the Jupiter stuff. And why am I, frozen solid, or in fight or flight, or seeing something as threatening? So we need to question why, uh, the, or how the creation of our ego, or the way that we see ourselves, is really resulting in these certain types of interactions, patterns, circumstances, and conditions that we're coming into. And then to constructively bring that over-evaluation penchant and the under-evaluation penchant to something in the middle, where we're getting it pretty much right. Not seeing it over the rainbow, not seeing it under the ground. It's right where it should be. So the evaluation process when it comes to reality, what are the real opportunities? Um, what are people really about? You know, what does reality really look like? That comes more clear. So that's what we're coming to with these, with the whole cycle, is clarity. Hopefully, that's what we're coming to. Because we could also fall back at the opposition. If we do that, then, well, we've asserted a lot of energy, often just to double down. And hopefully, we are really making that big push of the opposition for total awareness, because that's what we're going towards, is to know ourselves, to really understand who we really are, and to be able to really honestly assess ourselves. And when we know ourselves, to make better decisions. Because, uh, we can recognize, say, when one part of ourselves leaps up and, you know, volunteers, say, "Yeah, I'll do that. Absolutely. I'll take that on." Well, there's another part of ourselves that can, uh, speak up and say, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Think that through. Think that through. Are you really going to have time for that? Why are you doing that? Are you volunteering because you want people to like you, or because you really want to be there?" And then we can oftentimes pull back and reassess. So we can have a fuller awareness. And maybe someday, that part of us that just jumps up and wants to volunteer and take off other people's work, you know, maybe we'll know ourselves so well that we won't have that reaction in the first place. But I think as we get closer to knowing ourselves, we get more contact with more and more of these voices. And these voices are related to other voices. And sometimes we can have that experience of, you know, one voice, uh, waking up and saying, "Hey, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute." And sometimes we can know ourselves so well that we don't, uh, have those knee-jerk reactions. We just know all the voices. So we're all getting there. It's just a process. Any more questions, Stacy?

Um, so when you are looking to solve the square, is the first thing you look at what two planets are interacting, like, um, for example, like Sun square Pluto, or do you, or do you look at the signs first when you're trying to solve this the square energy? Um, I look at the actions first, what are the actions? That's the planets. And then I look at, uh, what are the motivations behind those actions? Why are these actions having an issue? Um, so the actions, the motivations, and the area of life that those, uh, actions and conflicting motivations are happening in. Those are the three, the three things they take in right away. Okay. Interesting. Um, so I have a square in my chart that's kind of, um, difficult for me to even understand as we're talking about the subject. It's a Mars square Neptune. Um, what is it like? What's the motivation of, I don't know, can you say, say something about that? Like, what does Neptune ultimately want that's at odds with Mars? Well, Neptune is sleep, and it is relaxation, and it is smoking a bong. It is, uh, heroin. It is escapism. It's chocolate. It's sugar. So it's, uh, things that are not productive. Mars is productivity. It's how we get things done. It's the initiation of things. And Pisces, or Neptune's the wrapping up of things. So at least two very, very conflicting motivations here. We have the need to start something and move forward and take action, and we have the need to sleep and, yeah, smoke weed and watch TV. So it's very different how these two things are operating. Um, because we have the escapism, we have the initiation, and then we have the frustration that comes in the middle. So you hear people a lot feeling that they are their own worst enemy when it comes to not being able to finish things, not being able to get to the end of the project, or feeling that, um, uh, outside conditioned circumstances, especially social conditions and circumstances, because that's what Neptune is, institution, social conditions, circumstances, are working against them, are an impediment to their progress. And sometimes some of those, those ideas can be true. We can be born in a place where we do have less opportunity, or we have more external things that we have to jump through, more hoops that we have to go through. It can be a little bit harder for us. So, um, the pervasive attitude, though, is why I don't want to put it like with the square, even if you don't legitimately have outside conditions and circumstances really legitimately holding you back, you will interpret life anyway as being that, or as having that. So, because it really looks to us like with that square, really, really looks to us like we just can't seem to get ahead. We just can't often seem to save, or we feel like our energy is depleted, or it's wasting in some way. Neptune is often, um, before we figure out the lesson, it is a waste. We feel wasted. And we associate that word wasted with drugs, don't we? Yeah. So we have to stop wasting. And with that square, it's really interesting. We have to sit up one day, and we have to say, you know what, I'm gonna work hard. I'm gonna push through. Because it feels like we're walking through sand with that square. It really does. And we have to do it. We have to do it. We have to walk through the sand. Yes, it's gonna be harder for you to make progress than it is for other people. It will. You will have to assert more energy. You will have to push harder, but you will get there. So I find that, you know, people just really feel that to make progress when it comes to the areas of life that Mars and Neptune are in, they really have to try. You really have to try. It reminds me of, uh, the stories my mother's just told when breaking. She said, you know what, I loved school. I loved it. But school was so hard for me. It was so hard. And I had to try so hard just to get B's and C's. But I loved school. And I would look around and I would see other people just getting A's. It just seemed to come so easy for them. But it did not come easy for me. It was so hard. And she even had to take, you know, the, the 7 AM O class to earn extra credits. But she worked hard and she graduated. And she just has her high school diploma. And she took a few college courses too throughout her life. But she is so proud of that high school diploma. She is so proud of it because she worked for it. I sat in class and daydreamed. It was so easy for me unless it was math. It was so easy for me. I took it all for granted. Very different experience. So squares are where we earn something. She earned that high school diploma. And you will have to rip that thing from her cold, dead fingers because she wants to be buried with it. She also wants us to sing "There's a Place in France" at her funeral. So it just gives you an idea of her, her quirky sense of humor. So yeah, you have to keep going even though we feel like we're going through sand. Because that's where people with that square from Mars to Neptune really get stuck is they give up and they go back to falling into a habit of of distraction or of doing what comes easy to us. And we have to do what's hard. So yeah, squares require so much energy. And Pluto has changed. Pluto is the, the idea of change. The concept of change. Squares change us. Squares are where our character transforms. And again, I said this before, and I will say it again, I think the reason that as humans we resist change is because it's a Plutonic thing. It requires life energy. We have to spend in order to gain. And we don't want to spend. But after we do, we realize how much we've gained. We have more money in the bank. We've invested in ourselves. So you have to spend money to make money. Pluto is also a bit of a miser too, I think. Yeah. Yes, can be. It's also our buried treasure. And usually, uh, the miser in us that buries that treasure, and then we dig it up, and it's our pot of gold. So yeah, squares can be beautiful things. Construction, though, and constructiveness, I would say, are the key words that we want to associate with those because they can be very destructive early in our life before we get it. Does Neptune need to get what it wants in order for the Mars square Neptune to work? Or do you just, well, we have both with both needs, with the need to relax and, you know, if it's a fancy and to escape, and we also have a need to move forward and initiate things and and put ourselves out there in the world. And so both things are legitimate needs. It's not that one is better or worse. Um, and see the two are fighting against each other like, no, it's gonna be me, no, it's gonna be me, like two friends fighting over a toy when they could share it. So, um, I think it's fine to want to contemplate and to want to escape and to want to vacation. We need that in our life. To indulge. Oh, it's wonderful to indulge. But if we're doing it all the time, we're actually not indulging, we're marinating is what we're doing. So we can marinate in Neptune, and we can indulge in it. So, um, we have to give ourselves that time to indulge, to relax, to vacate, but also we have to get ourselves back to the table to start working and to continue to push through. So we're not separating the two things in a way that are denying the one or the other. We're choosing. We're choosing. We're saying, you know what, I want these two things, but because this is my goal, I am going to choose this behavior today, and in this hour, because that is what gets me closer to my goal. It's not a, no, I shouldn't be the other way. It's a, yeah, I'm that way, but I'm not going to be that way today because I'm not going to get what I want. So it's an acknowledgment of who we are and what we want. So we can wake up. Thanks, Joel. You're so good at this.