The Pyramid Scans CONFIRM This Ancient Secret | Randall Carlson

So what do you think is really going on underneath the pyramids?

The whole notion of a power plant to me actually makes sense, particularly now to the extent that the findings of uh Filipe and Armando are validated because there's something going on under there. I think we now have an answer to the ancient technology question and I think we can go ahead and we can say that it's plasma-based.

Yeah. And that that's a whole other crazy part of this plasma conversation is is is where does consciousness come in because Temple, you know, is talking about fairly straightforward, you know, like plasma, it's the force state of of matter and it's most of the universe is actually plasma and then he gets straight into conversing with like plasma beings at a certain point.

Listen, I totally think that that that's the direction it it's headed. We've rifted on so many topics and I can see person being like how how could this possibly be interrelated and all I all I think about is that which is above is like that which is below. I think it corresponds to ritual technology, visionary experiences, literal technologies at the same time memorializing cataclysmic events and like things that need to be preserved in the cultural psyche. It really does, I think, all somehow flow together within this sacred science.

Yeah, I was there, you know, was able to see the testing uh under very exacting protocols with SK.

What did you what did you see?

I saw uh well, I saw alchemy in action basically.

Wow.

So, what happened was Randall, you are truly one of my favorite guests. the the breadth and depth of your interest in so many topics that I'm interested in uh just inevitably makes for a good podcast. Like I could just not say anything for I think the next what whatever duration of time and it would be absolutely f like you're one of the few guests that I would just completely turn the keys over to and just just just walk away and I know it would be fantastically interesting. Um, so thanks for coming back man. I I know this is going to be a good one. Well, this is what our fourth or fifth or something like that.

Some point as of late.

Back in the day. As of late. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Well, you know, Michael, I I was thinking to myself before this, you know, I thought, well, you know, the last podcast I did with Michael, I did all the talking. So, I think this time I'll just sit back and and and not say much and let Michael have his te uh turn at doing all the talking.

Flipping flipping the script on me. Well, I I am happy to to to serve some things up because we we do we did have a few things that we wanted to riff on today. One of the things is just generally all of the novelty that's orbiting the Giza Plateau these days because for one, it's always incredibly fascinating talking about the pyramids, what they really are, how they could have been built, what their function was. It's just incredible that we can have these things that are amongst the most popular structures on the entire planet and still nobody knows what the hell they are or like how they were built, what their true function is. It it's all open for debate and there's all these fantastic theories. But now we have the added novelty of these structures under the pyramids that there really does from my understanding seem to be a there there. There was a lot of debate early on whether or not these um synthetic aperture radar tomography scans were accurate. You know, there were a lot of people like armchair uh doing science kind of dismissing it. But then after watching more about it, it seems like it makes a lot more technical sense. And then you find out they're using the same technology for military applications, for private applications, all kinds of things. And there are numerous companies using this technology. this is just a new use case for it, you know, looking at these ancient structures, looking at um, you know, using it for more archaeological purposes. So, it does seem like there's something there.

And not only does it seem like there's something there from a technical standpoint, this is not coming out of left field. Like, we have a whole history of um, famous historians talking about this from antiquity. Like, I pulled these quotes from Heroditus and Plenty. Um, I kind of wish you had them on your screen so they didn't have to listen to me read them, but um uh it might be a good way to sort of set things up to to just read a couple of these.

Yeah. Yeah, I I would love to hear that. I'm I mean I collect quotes. Who knows? I might even have those quotes, but.

You probably do.

Let's hear them.

Um, okay, we'll start with Heroditus.

Okay.

The Egyptians made a labyrinth which surpasses even the pyramids. It has 12 roofed courts with doors facing each other. Six face north and six south in two continuous lines, all with one outer wall. There is also double sets of chambers, 3,000 altogether, 1,500 above and the same number underground. We learned through conversation about the labyrinth's underground chambers, the Egyptian caretakers would by no means show them as they were. They said the burial vaults of the kings who first built this labyrinth and of the sacred crocodiles. The way I read that was weird, but that's what it says. Um, the upper we saw for ourselves and they are creations greater than human.

That's a crazy quote. Creations greater than human.

The exits of the chambers and the maisy passages hither and tither through the courts were were an unending marvel to us. Overall, this is a roof made of stone-like walls, and the walls are covered with cut figures, and every court is set around with pillars of white stone, very precisely fitted together. Near the corner where the labyrinth ends stands a pyramid 240 ft high on which great figures are cut. A passage to this has been made underground. So, I if I'm reading that right, I think he's actually saying there's also a pyramid underground. kind of sounded like that.

Yeah. Um, but either way, I mean, someone has to have reconstructed an image of this and you know, because he's he's specifically describing, you know, geometrically what this looks like and how it's laid out. So, I'm assuming there have to be people who um who have recreated this. But um, but Herodotus isn't the only one.

I guess I'll read one more quote and I'll shut up and and I'll let you and I'll let you riff because I know that you have a wealth of information on this obviously. Um, so this is from plenty now. Not sure. I'm not sure which plenny if it's the older or the younger, but there is still in Egypt a labyrinth which was first constructed 3,600 years ago. They say by King So it's going to these are going to be rough pronunciations. King Pessuchis pet it looks like Pete such um or tithois. Although according to Heroditus, the entire work was was a production of no less than 12 kings, the last of whom was, here we go again, Seemedicus. See Seeicus um with a P in the beginning, PS. As to the purpose for which it was built, many assert that it was a building consecrated to the sun, an opinion which mostly prevails. A thing that surprises me is that the building is constructed of Perry and marble while throughout the other parts of the columns are uh here's a word I'm not familiar with. Cyan cyanites. Sy ni tes cyanites. Cyanites.

Cyanite. That's it. Yeah. It's a.

Um.

Yeah, it's a mineral.

Type of rock.

Type of rock. Yeah. With such solidity is this huge mass constructed and the lapse of ages has been totally unable to destroy it. Seconded as it has been by the people of Heracleites her heracleites.

Okay.

Who have marvelously ravaged a work with which they have always held an aberrance. Um, so maybe there maybe he's talking about people beginning to destroy it there because that's one of the things that you you hear about these labyrinths is that they were destroyed or quarried or to some extent destroyed. Um, I'm going to send you this the names of these um these kings that I butchered. I would guess King Pesus. Pettis Peducious. Uh, and the other one I would guess if I had to would be probably teo toas. Tothoas.

I think the Let's see. What do the two dots represent? No, it's a slash like an umlout.

I think that's like an umlout.

Yeah. Um, now I have not studied the labyrinth. My friend Ben Van Kirkwick has studied the labyrinth pretty extensively. He might be somebody you should get on here.

Yeah, I would like to talk to him for sure.

Yeah, he he's good guy and he certainly he's done a lot of great research on the labyrinth and he's been over there several times exploring it. I've been there, but I haven't didn't explore the labyrinth. Probably the closest I got to it was the Temple of Osiris. But.

Well, this is interesting that one of the first things that comes up is uh something from a website called Henadology. Um, and then it says Tutu or Tthois. Tutu or Tthois is a helanized form of of the name sometimes depicted anthropomorphically, but generally as a type of sphinx. So maybe that's.

Yeah, I guess that's what the name means.

So yeah, like you said, a lot of interesting things going on with um the research on the Giza Plateau. A couple things we could get into is talking about uh like I'm not ready to jump on board and say I believe that there's machinery under there. It looks like machinery, but and I've met personally I met both Armando and Felipe, spent a weekend with them, had dinner with them, um interviewed them, and they both seemed very sincere and credible. like not the kind of guys who would try to cook up a hoax or, you know, create some kind of a overblown narrative over, you know, uh, not convincing evidence. There's something under the plateau. Now, how far I would go is to simply say that, well, most of the plateau is limestone.

Mhm.

Well, limestone is a carbonate rock which erodes quite readily under acidic waters. So, you know, like Kentucky, north of here, where I'm at, is well known for the number of caves. So is Tennessee. Well, that's because of the um the the widespread prevalence of limestone rock. And so you add water to limestone rock and it dissolves the limestone. It dissolves the carbonate in the limestone. So the Giza Plateau is largely limestone. There's other other rocks in there, but but predominantly limestone. Like when you if you look at the uh most of the rocks that form the pyramid with the exception of the granite that are found in the inner chambers, it's limestone. It's it's different uh grades of limestone with the I think it's the turra limestone which forms the uh that forms the outer sheathing which is a really dense high-grade limestone and then the inner beneath the uh the paving not the paving the casing stones the what you see mostly uh now when you go to Egypt and you look at it is you see the inner stones that were exposed closed once the ca the casing stones were stripped away, which apparently happened 675 years ago. So, not that long ago, those casing stones were still on there. I mean, can you imagine what a sight that would have been? As you're coming across the desert and you look in the distance and you've got this smooth, seamless white, huge structure rising from the desert. Well, of course it what really if you go back well we've got the conventional dating which is what 40 between 45 and 4600 years ago but now there's evidence that suggests that it's much older than that and it has to do with the erosion on it. Uh and we we'll look at that in a minute. Uh, but so there you got these huge structures and the the the the joinery in the in the limestone casing blocks was so tight. I mean you couldn't you couldn't even put a you know, a credit card would be way too thick for that. I mean it was essentially impermeable and it now some of the Arabic legends and you know, we have no way I I guess of confirming this but there were Arabic legends that the that there were also inscriptions and symbols engraved in the outside which.

Interesting.

I mean I'm thinking so merely just so for thousands of years those pyramids stood there and then only 675 years ago they got stripped. And apparently and how that date comes up is because there was an 8 point something earthquake whose epicenter was up near CIT and it caused the collapse of a bunch of buildings in Cairo and it loosened some of the casing stones because there had apparently been attempts to get in and pry some of the casing stones uh apart previous that had met in complete failure. But this earthquake started the process. And then there was also apparently a big a dire need for building stone because of the collapse of the buildings. So somebody decided, in fact, we know who it was uh forget his name, but he was maybe a sultan or something. He uh ordered the stones to be stripped and they did. So with the new dating though, I mean it's pretty interesting what we see now. Um, one of the, you know, even though as as horrible as it was, you know, we've got now an Italian engineer who's going in there and is able to discern very specific information about the age of the of Kufu's pyramid in this case because it um because what happened when you remove the casing stones, the the base of the pyramid is on a limestone base. We'll look at some pictures in a second. You've got the casing stones coming down, right? So the limestone base, let's say this part of my hand is outside the pyramid and then where my fingers are is under the casing stones.

So this out here is being exposed to the weather and the erosional agents for however long it's been since the pyramid was constructed.

Whereas here, this has been concealed under the casing stones. Well, casing stones are now removed. So, you've got just under 700 years of exposure to the elements here compared to however long this has been exposed and presumably since roughly the time that the pyramid was first built. Right? So what the Italian engineer did was he did a study, a meticulous study comparing the amount of pitting, pi t i n pitting that is in the rock and there you can you now get this differential between what you know is 675 years to however old this is.

Mhm.

Now how much more severe is this than this that we know is 675 years?

Right? So when you look at that differential, you can get a rough estimate of you're not going to get a precise date and he doesn't claim that. But what you're going to get is a a broader window into the the age because unless the erosion was accelerated at some period which it very well could have been which would lengthen I mean I'm sorry would shorten the amount of time of exposure because obviously if you think about it if you take a limestone block let's say and you set it out in the weather in somewhere where where like where I'm in Georgia, there's what 4550 inches of rainfall per year. You set that block out in a field so it's exposed to the weather. Then you take another block and you set it in a aid to semiarid region. Could be a desert where you've got less than 5 in of rainfall per year. It could be semiarid which you know 10 to 15. But in any case, it's the water that's mostly eroding the limestone block. Now there, if you're sitting there and it's in the wind, obviously that's going to do something as well. And even more so, if there is sediment being carried in the wind, like for example, if you got a strong wind blowing over a dusty area and it picks up sand grains and silt and stuff, that becomes much more erosive than if it's just air blowing, right? Well, so if you but but in terms of limestone, it's going to be mostly the rainfall that that's going to be the the most severe eroding agent. So that's what he did. He compared um the exposed what had been exposed to the weather compared to what had been concealed from the weather, but then was exposed to weather 675 years ago. Now, did you see I've got uh hopefully coming out very soon an interview I did with Scott Walter. Do you know who he is?

Forensic.

Um.

Forensic geologist from Minnesota.

Oh, no.

Uh, he used to be host of a History Channel show called America Unearthed.

Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah.

Yeah. He's a forensic geologist and uh he's controversial for having dated what's called the Kensington Ruin Stone. Have you ever heard of that?

It's a It's a stone that was dug up, I believe, like late 1800s by a farmer and his son and it had runic inscriptions on it. And this is.

Oh, yes. Okay. I have heard of this.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. And this is in like western Minnesota. And so it was generally by the archaeological establishment declared on very little evidence that it was a hoax. Well, apparently this farmer knew runic the alphabet because there are it's runic inscriptions. So, I mean it's possible, but how probable?

Yeah.

That if Okay. So, anyways, it was Scott Walter that did the forensic analysis on the Kensington ruin stone and determined that it was uh what was the date? Maybe 900,000 years ago. Maybe 900.

900,000. Okay.

No, not 900,000. 900 or a thousand. Let's.

Or let's see. It was definitely pre-Colombian.

Mhm.

Uh, and it had runic writing on it, which you know, Scandinavian. So he he.

Yeah. So So either ancient or or anti-dolivian ancient, but but it's one of the two.

Yeah.

Yeah. So anyways, he used a technique on there where he was very similar to to date that to to show that it the degree of weathering was not consistent with it being fabricated in the late 1800s.

That the weathering showed that it had to have been 800 or 900 years old. Anyway, so he used a method though very similar to what this Italian engineer used on to date the the Great Pyramid.

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So we could we could look at some of that.

We should. And c let me let me ask you before and case in point. This is one of the reasons I love you because one of the ways we can always go down these like technical rabbit holes which you're so good at or we can go down these esoteric rabbit holes which you also know a lot about.

Um, and so why don't we just do that quick before you pull this up because I know once you pull it up we're going to go down a whole rabbit hole. Sure. But one of the things I wanted to ask you is other than the sort of like technical speculation that's going on now in terms of how there's so much that looks like technology or you know the sort of Christopher Dunn power plant sort of hypotheses and all of its related um sort of offshoot theories. There's also esoteric things that are very hard to ignore. So, so for one, there's sort of like I don't know how much of like a fully alternative history there is in sort of like Masonic circles, but I know there is to some degree. And the other thing is just generally the types of things we know underground chambers and temples were used for in antiquity.

Um, because one of the things it does say in that Heroditus quote is that it's largely believed to be some or no this is in the Plenny quote uh consecrated to the sun. So there could be some kind of like solar mystery initiations or something that went on under there. And one of the things we know is that in the ancient helenic context, but I'm sure in also the ancient Egyptian context, the primary way that you would get initiated or have uh you know some kind of experience of the other realm or the the astral or the underworld or whatever you want to call it is to do what they would call catabosis rituals like go you go underground and you go through some kind of initiation or visionary experience. experience. I think, you know, that's not something I hear talked about as much, maybe because it's just not as like sexy or in the zeitgeist to to some people, but to me that's like even more interesting than than some of the speculation about technologies. And I see no reason also why it would have to be mutually exclusive. Like there could it could be.

Exactly. Well, you're right. That's exactly right. And yeah, I you know the mythraic religion was very much about the underground initiations, the vaults, the um the uh uh what was called the tookin which was the ritual they performed the slaying of the bull and generally their underground vaults had arched ceilings with the with star maps painted on them.

And you go through this successive journey of of nine stages to complete the initiation. And then in Masonic lore and legend, there is the the legend of there's a couple of variants on the legend, but they're they're the same. In one case, the primary character is Lamech. The other one, it's.

Enoch.

So Enoch um constructs this underground chamber because he knows that the uh that cyclically the world is destroyed.

Yeah.

By fire and by water. So he creates this nine-chambered underground vault and he uh sets up there are variations. It's a cubicle stone or or a tetrahedral stone that in in the inner chamber that in which all of the knowledge and wisdom of his world is encoded and then it's sealed up and then he erects two pillars. uh one to survive destruction of the world by water, one to survive the destruction of the world by fire. And on these pillars is the inscription of how to locate this underground time capsule and recover the hidden knowledge.

And this is in ma and this is in Masonic lore. This is in Enoch, the book of Enoch.

Uh, it's in Masonic lore. Yes. Okay. It's in Masonic.

Interesting. So yeah. So for so also to like unify a couple things from this conversation and also connect a couple of dots in my own mind. One um it's kind of interesting given what you just said that at the base of these big underground structure structures that we're talking about that um that it were done with these scans are cubes because you just said in that lore like they say that there's like some sort of either cube like or did you say tetrahedral or cube like is what you.

Tetrahedral. Yes. Tetrahedral.

Okay. Yeah. So, so that that's sort of an interesting coincidence. Um, the second thing is that some people openly equate Enoch with Hermes Trice Magistice.

Um, I think particular in Islamic lore they consider uh I think it's it's like I think it's Hermes Trice Magistice and Enoch they think are all the same.

Person. I've seen that also.

Yeah. I've seen Enoch equated with Toot who most people pronounce th but.

Um, I I was told it was the correct pronunciation was toot and this was by a a nativeborn Egyptologist PhD Egyptologist.

So I said okay well I like the sound of that actually toot. So that's the way I pronounced it and.

That's the way I'm going to continue to pronounce it. Somebody.

Yeah, it's I I never know. There's like the way that looks like jihoodi. There's the I don't know. I don't know. Um, I wish I knew more about the Egyptian language. It's.

Well, I wish you did too, Michael, because then I could come to you with my questions. Um, um, but before we lose this thread of these sort of underground initiation chambers um, I know you're you're we've talked a bit about the mythraic initiations before. So you must be somewhat knowledgeable in that. But the mythraic um rituals are actually one of the later manifestations of a lot of these astral ascent initiation based um, you know, initiatory traditions and I I talked have you heard of Peter Lenda before?

Uh, the name's not ringing a bell.

Uh, he wrote he's written a whole bunch of books. um most most recently recently he's written these secret machines books that are sort of talk talking about um, it's like a mixture of comparative religion and mythology and esotericism and UFO stuff and it's it's all over the place. It's it's really unbelievably well researched. but he's written a number of books on on um a lot of different historical topics and he's very uh centered on a lot of esoteric things and I believe he actually did his master's thesis on astral ascent um rituals and then he eventually wrote a book called um the name is escaping me right now stairway to heaven or ladder to heaven or something I'll put it up on the screen but.

Um, but yeah, this is something that you find and again, this circles back to Egypt because some people speculate that the pyramids could be these sort of like uh clearly we know that they mirror astral bodies.

Um, and historically there's one of the things that people always say that it mirrors is Orion's belt or or Osiris in the Egyptian context, right?

Yes.

Yeah. That's Robert Baval's work.

Yeah. Yeah. And that is a cluster of stars that is almost a point of universal fascination among the ancients across cultures uh in terms of being very central to the sort of death process and like there there's this whole complex astral um thing that unfolds apparently upon death where like this the soul literally goes into the starry astral realm and etc etc. So, what I'm getting at is there could also be some kind of astral ascent sort of um component to whatever's going on underneath the Giza plateau. But I I I wish I knew more about it because it's it's something that really fascinates me. Well, what struck me is the possibility that, you know, I'm not too familiar with Chris Dunn's work, although the whole notion of a power plant to me actually makes sense, particularly now to the extent that these uh the findings of uh you know, Filipe and Armando are validated because there's something going on under there.

Now, for sure, is it just big cavities in the rock? My thought is that okay so if there were it's like we were talking mentioning earlier there is the possibility there there being large caves and and one reason that we could know that is because we know that Egypt up there the whole Sahara region has in times past been much much more humid that it's actually there are under the sand there are the remnants of very large rivers and lakes that that they were there not that long ago, you know, uh in the early holy going back to 7 to 10,000 years ago. And undoubtedly there were other cycles. It appears that the whole transition between humid period period periods and aid periods is cyclic to some extent. M but so there is tremendous amount of water erosion that is visible uh on the bedrock beneath the sand which you know was first actually discovered I think in the 80s with um space shuttle overflights uh looking using ground penetrating radar and looking through the sand and realizing that under the sand there's a whole fluially sculpted landscape right.

So there has and periods where there have been large amounts of water in the form of rainfall. Well, again, because of the limestone and there are fractures and fault lines, fissures all throughout that limestone. So, this is allowing the water to great gain access to the uh subterranean realms. there's undoubtedly groundwater. Uh, and so there is that potential of there being what is called carstification.

Which is typically like you find carstification in a lot of it in Tennessee and Kentucky where uh you essentially think of sink holes. A carst is like a sinkhole. uh carstification though simply means that it's created the flowing water moving through the limestone bedrock has created cavities. So it's very plausible that there are large natural cavities in the Giza plateau. Now is it possible that those cavities were access discovered? Of course it is. Yes. In fact some of Ben van Kirkwick and um oh what's his name? uh will come to me in a second. Um, he uh he discovered uh a cave near the Osiran that potentially could be an access to an underground realm of of passageways and and apertures that could lead into larger areas. Now, when you think of this just as is evidence of the amount of potential erosion, all you have to do is look over at the Nile River Valley.

Um, I'm going to go ahead. I think at this point.

Let's do it.

And do a share screen. Let's see what I've got open here.

And and don't let me forget too, we we've started going down the rabbit hole in the past. At least this might have been just between you and I talking about the significance of water.

And not just the significance of water for all of the practical purposes and potential like engineering purposes, but also like sacred water specifically of a certain kind seems to be centrally important at temple complexes.

Um, so that that might be another interesting thing to explore because one of the other things you hear people talking about a lot is water underneath.

Oh yes.

The Giza plateau.

You can see where they're sitting basically right on the edge of the plateau here.

Mhm.

And then you move into the Nile Valley. And let's see here. Uh, what do we got terms? Let's see here. It's really interesting how there's a very clean demarcation point between desert and more green looking areas there.

Right. That's right. Um, let's see here. Where where where am I at here?

Tools. Do you see my cursor?

I do see your cursor. Yes.

But you don't see the the measuring stick.

Says 1,000 ft right there from Let's see. I'm going to put it right there.

Too small on my screen. Oh, right on the apex of the Great Pyramid.

Yeah, it's a couple of thousand feet. And and and then if I zoom out, so you can see how wide the Nile Valley is here, right? And then it spreads out, begins spreading out, fanning out into the delta. This is the delta, of course. And and back here, you can see very clearly the demarcation between the plateau and the valley. And the valley is filled with sediment. And you can see that there's vegetation growing here because the water of the Nile keeps it fertilized. So that's why it stands out so distinctly. Well, you go back to like right here where the where the pyramids were. If I can find my way back there. Uh, yeah, if you go right here to the edge of the um plateau, let the computer do the work. There we go. Okay. If you go up here to the edge of this plateau and you were to come in and scoop out the sediment.

In in the valley, you'd be standing on the edge of a cliff that's over 8,000 ft high.

Wow.

Half again as deep as a Grand Canyon right here. And it's completely filled with sediment.

Wow.

Think about that for a minute. You have a canyon right here that's over 8,000 ft deep. How the hell did that get there? Well.

So is the city is the city itself built on sediment then?

Yes.

Okay. Well.

Yeah. So, it's it's city is built on sediment. You've got 8,000 over 8,000 ft of sediment filling this canyon. So all that limestone rock has been removed. It's been eroded away. So right here, I mean, right here next to the to the uh Giza Plateau, you've had this enormous amount of limestone bedrock removed back during what what is called the Mediterranean salenity crisis, which I believe occurred about 5 million years ago, and it was followed by the or terminated by the Zancan flood. So what happened was for however you explain it.

The entire uh Mediterranean basin dried up.

Wow.

There was no Mediterranean Sea. And what happened was you've got this sediment here, but you've also got this blanket. If you can see my cursor.

Yeah.

This extends out underwater. And you can see this where where my cursor goes. There's there's a change in elevation. That's the submerged part of the delta.

So when you get out here on the floor, uh, you are Let's see. So we can I got my I can look right here and I can see that. Okay, where my cursor is now is over 4,000 ft below sea level.

Okay.

So you got this deep basin right here. So think about this. The Mediterranean dries up. So now over here when I'm on the the delta, the Egyptian delta, I'm at no 18 feet above sea level. Now I move out to this area right here and there I'm 4,200 4,300 ft below sea level.

Steep drop off.

So it's it's a steep drop off. Now, what happened if you think about this is now the Nile River flows into the Mediterranean and it's not going to erode any deeper than the Mediterranean is now. But when the Mediterranean dried up, now think about this. You've got this 4,200 ft differential. So, what happens? the Nile River flowing starts down cutting a canyon and it will keep down cutting until it gets to base level which is which would be like right here I'm hovering there that's minus 116 ft and then as soon as you get right here where this where my cursor is we go from minus we're at - 100 - 200 - 500 and then boom we're right down here to minus 4,000. So there's a steep drop off right here.

So what's happening then is that the Nile now has this gravitational difference between up here and down here. It could start out as a waterfall or in the case of the Mediterranean drying up, we can assume that it probably didn't dry up instantaneously. It was probably a slower process. So as the water level in the Mediterranean Sea goes down, then the down cutting of the Nile canyon will follow that down. And then at some point the process will stop. And over here, if we go all the way over here to the Straits of Gibralar, right here, something this was blocked off here. So you had the Atlantic Ocean and you know sea levels probably somewhat similar to now at some point. But then on the other side of this blockade here, this dam, all of this was dried up and then something caused a rupture of this around 5 million years ago. I could actually look it up. This if you look at Xan Clean flood, it'll give us the exact date. Xan Z an C lan Xan Clean flood. The date that this blockade, this dam right here at the Pillars of Hercules burst and the water came pouring in gigantic volumes of water.

Um, and the Mediterranean rapidly and catastrophically refilled. And at that point the uh the the Nile canyon was already there. So imagine this now when the Mediterranean is dried up. The canyon is 8,000 some feet deep, right? There's a river presumably flowing at the bottom of it. Now you have this huge inrush of water from the Atlantic Ocean starts rapidly filling. Okay, here the Zanclean flood which occurred around 5.33 million years ago is theorized to have rapidly refilled the Mediterranean Sea after a long period of desiccation known as the Messinian salinity crisis. This event marked the reconnection of the Mediterranean with the Atlantic Ocean and significantly altered the regions uh okay so let's see yeah the Zancen the flood reconnected the Mediterranean Sea to the Atlantic Ocean through the straight of Gibralar um the Zancan flood was triggered by tectonic activity that opened the straight of Gibralar This allowed water from the Atlantic Ocean to rush into the Mediterranean basin. The exact cause of the opening is debated. Um, but it is believed that erosion from a stream flowing into the Mediterranean played a significant role. The flood created a massive waterfall estimated to be 30 times taller than Niagara Falls.

Wow.

Uh, that's a pretty big flood. Let's see. Um, I'm looking for the peak discharge. Okay. Yeah.

Do any do any geologists I know some think it's tectonic. Do any think it was a war between the Nephilim?

Well, probably not 5 33 million years ago. However, there is something called the hemphilian event because the last great mass extinction of megapona that occurred um prior to the mass extinction similar level of severity uh of the uh terminal pleaene extinction that just happened you know 12 to 14,000 years ago happened in a period called the hemp hill in with the hemp hill uh event and it was very close to this. I would like to even get the uh exact dating of that but around 5.3 million years ago this uh it ruptured uh right here and that water poured in and then when that rush of seawater came down here it backwashed it flooded back up the Nile River all the way to Azwan and let's see if we can we find Azwan here and that and so when you dig down through these sediments you come to this thick layer of marine sediments.

Okay.

Right now it's topped by freshwater sediments because the sources of the modern Nile are in in Ethiopia and it's coming off of the Ethiopian highlands and it's fresh water like you would expect to find in any modern river. Right? So the uppermost layers of sediment are freshwater, but under that you've got this massive thick layer of marine sediment that was the backwash up the Nile River Canyon. And um, so that's kind of the context that uh as damn. So that's the context to understand. And the reason I'm going into that is because what this shows us is the potential of extreme erosion.

Mhm.

So it could be, if I was going to theorize what I would think sounds like a, you know, a reasonable There we go. So there's Azwan. So it was the backwash was pretty much all the way up to to here. I think you're still seeing this, right?

Yeah, I am. I am. Yeah. So, if I back out, you can see it was quite a ways from here all the way back up to the Azwan Dam.

And uh and then it started being freshwater sediments. Now, there's also documented times when the the volume of the Nile River was excessively greater than it is now. Um, in fact they've referred to times like at the end of the last ice age they've referred to it as the wild Nile and there are evidences of 100 to 150 ft higher than the modern day flood plane of the Nile which would have been uh deep enough to actually submerge the bottoms of the pyramids and the Sphinx. M.

Um, anyhow, so now you've got all of this area which is Sahara Desert now, which was lush.

Not so long ago and lots of rainfall and probably epic uh uh epicycles of rainfall uh periodically when the climate changes between glacial and interglacial. uh you had other all kinds of other changes climatic and environmental changes that correlated with that. So underneath all the sand area is is a a heavily watercarved landscape. So it's very likely that there are very large caves could be and that those it's not then improbable to assume that those caves could have been accessed by people. Yeah.

And provided a natural place to build an underground complex of some kind.

Right. Right.

Yeah. And so so Beyond seems like like convinced that it's man-made, but it could also be I think he's convinced of that because of how artificial looking it is, right? Like it it has these spirals. It has this cylindrical shape to it. But it could be that maybe those some of those cavities pre-existed and maybe they were worked by human hands or something something like so so we were looking at.

There is sufficient evidence to suggest that there has been all kinds of unimaginably massive activity in that region that could have caused large underground chambers to form. And then perhaps it would be logical to assume that if those exist, why wouldn't people go in and build structures within these naturally existing cavities for who knows what purpose? We sacred purposes definitely, but also maybe as you're going to eventually get into lost technological purposes.

Well.

But yeah, what what's this myth ram? This looks interesting. Yeah, this is this is what we were talking about earlier.

Oh, yeah. Okay.

Um, yeah. So, this is an underground chamber. And let's see. I think there's here's another one. And there were very complex ceremonies held within these. Um, and you can't see now, but the the sky maps were painted on the ceiling. M.

So the initiation the the nine stages of the initiation or 10 in some cases was also a metaphor for a celestial journey.

Yes.

That ended at the uh at the far end of this structure. And do you see what's going on here?

Um, I still I still just see the um, the hallway sort of image.

I think maybe this will do it. Now watch. You see my cursor?

Mhm. Mhm.

Uh, now does the scene change?

Yes, we got it.

We got it. Yes. So that's Mithris or that's one of the torchbearers. Um, but yeah, so there's a myth ram and then at the.

Do you want to explain the sort of cult of Helios Mithros and like what their um central sort of uh theoggony or or what they were interested in doing? Well, it all culminates in this what's called a toiny.

Yes.

The tookin is the slaying of the bull. Uh, the bull of heaven. Probably the same bull of heaven that uh Gilgamesh and Ankid do fought in the epic of Gilgamesh. Uh, probably the same bull that led to the constellation of Taurus. And you know, we talked about uh Orion earlier and the belt of Orion and the connection of that with the the the the cult of Asserus and um, the uh Taurus and you know, the the classical depiction is that Orion is about to do battle with the with the bull, right? The bull is bearing down on him. He's got his shield up, right? He's the hunter.

Um, so let's see here. If we go back here is Mithris slaying the bowl of heaven. Note the varied creatures. And so this is a whole composition here.

Yeah.

That conveys a very explicit meaning to someone who is literate in the language of symbolism. So we have a serpent right here. We have a lion or a dog. The lion actually this is the lion here and this is the dog here. And notice what Mithris is doing. He's stabbing the bull in the shoulder, right? And then blood is flowing out and the dog is lapping up the blood. He's holding he's got the bull by the snout. He's holding him by the nose and he's pulling his head back. Um, what else do we see here? Uh, notice his cap.

There. Yeah, there's the scorpion as well. Yep.

Yes, the scorpion. There's the scorpion right here. Right there. Oh yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep.

Yeah. Let's see. There's probably going to be another one here. Let's see. Uh, this is actually a photograph of one of the better preserved myths.

And this is showing the teriny at that's at the end of the chamber. And you'll notice he's stabbing the bull in the shoulder. Here's one of his torchbearers here. And here's the other one over here. And typically you're going to see the torchbearers uh one is if you look carefully here you'll see he's holding his torch upwards pointing it up this direction and this over here he's pointing his torch down towards the earth and you'll notice you can't make it out too well on here but on Mithris ca cape or is a star map.

And then yeah, and then you have this coming this ray coming down here that he's turned his head and he's looking at this ray.

And then again, you have the dog down here lapping the blood coming from the wound and the bold shoulder.

You have this serpent. Let's see what else we can see another version of it. Oh, this is a beautiful version of the >> Yeah, that's really cool. >> It is.

Now, here you can see the two torch bearers. Now, there was a reconstruction and they they goofed up this guy. His his uh torch, I believe it was this guy over here, his torch is supposed to be pointing up, not down. Um Oh, yeah. Like it says in this rendering, both torchbearers point their torches downward.

Image has a total of 13 flaming altars that you see up here. This represents the royal arch, which is the arch of heaven. You see the sun god over here with the rays. You see the lunar god here. And then you'll see 1, two, 3, four, five, six, seven stars arrayed. Yes. >> Behind Mithris. >> And you can see very clearly down here the serpent. You can see the dog. The blood issuing forth from the shoulder. You see the scorpion down here. So you've got astrological symbolism. You've got astronomical symbolism. I think you've got symbolism that basically uh represents hermetic knowledge. M >> uh Oh, also look at the bull's tail. >> Yeah, >> it turns into a stock of wheat. >> Ooh, yeah. That that definitely could be pointing to like the Elucinian mystery or something. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And it's it's almost certain that they were imbibing an initiatory >> Yeah. >> drink as before they participated in these ceremonies. >> Yes.

There's like speculation about what it is. And I want to say so there's this mythic liturgy that's in the the PGM or the Greek magical papyri that preserves a lot of >> this ritual. But it and it it and it refers to something. There's a word >> that seems to be whatever the sacrament was, but I don't think they know what it is. And there's debate about what it is. And of course, much like the kaikon at Eleusis, some people think that this thing is a psych like some kind of visionary compound. Um >> but clearly they're they were doing a lot more than just taking a visionary compound. They had a whole like ritualistic technology, these deep astrological references. Um >> you know these under whole underground complexes like you're pointing to but part of this have you ever read this mythic liturgy thing? >> Yes. It's been >> probably 20 years. So don't ask me to recite. Well, well, I mean, it's just it's just a fascination. I mean, I don't I don't think you're going to have an answer to this, but part of it is, you know, they're talking about essentially again this cosmic ascent sort of grammar where you you traverse various plains of reality or the astral realm or what spiritual realm or >> whatever you want to call it. And then there's like different beings at each gradation and there's different guardians at each gradation. And the center like the highest most place the initiate's trying to get to is the vision of Helios Mithros at the at the at the end of it. The vision of this like son savior god. >> Yeah. And in the mythic tradition there is let's see here. Mithris is distinct from the sun god. Uh let's see here. Um, >> right. Because you were showing the one slaying the bull and then there's also the the sun god in the upper left and the the goddess the moon goddess at the upper right. Is that what you mean? >> Correct. And let's see. I Let me just fast forward here. Here we go. There's there's the grades and each grade has a symbol. >> Yeah. So, so this is suggestive in a way of Enoch's underground chamber. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so we count here. Here's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. So, the ninth chamber down. >> Mhm. >> And then >> so they're alluding to many different things here like you're pointing to. They could be alluding to carrying on the lineage of like Eleusis. They could be carry like you know this different um sort of esoteric symbolic imagery pointing to that in some ways they they may be a newer manifestation of ancient rights that have gone on far far before the because these were like the Roman era right like this was um >> yes >> like early uh like >> like late late uh antique so like 100 200 AD something like that. >> Yes. And but it goes back it traces its ancestry back literally to Vedic India. >> Wow. >> And the god Mitra and then it came to uh Rome by way of Persia >> and Zoroastrianism. >> So uh yeah it's it's an interesting lineage. I didn't mean to shut down the whole show here. So what what is this whole presentation that you're showing me here or that you're that you're taking selections from? >> Uh well, it's uh a whole presentation you know about the mystery religions and this particular one is is uh about mythism and it's a my attempt to do sort of a preliminary decoding of the symbolism. >> Wow. I we we should do a whole episode on this sometime. >> Oh yeah, we could easily do that. So yeah, here we go. So let's see. Uh let me Okay. So you kind of see these diagram diagrammatic kind of figures. >> Yeah. >> So uh so here's Sol the son. >> Yes. >> Kneeling before Mithris from a relief found in the Nurse Nurse region of Italy. Sol holds a sword and dagger. Mithris holds a thunderbolt. And so it looks like Mithris is handing something off to the sun. >> Yeah. >> Um here's Mithris conferring the accolade on Sol from a relief found in the Balkan region. So this is the son kneeling before Mithris. And Mithris has this whatever this is, this almost egg-shaped thing >> he's holding in his right hand while he places his left hand on on the sun. Um, here's another one. Mithris approaching Sol or Sol clasping hands from a relief found in uh, Verunum. Right. This So this is >> where's where's Verunum? >> Verunum. It's It's in Italy somewhere, I believe. Um, right. Mithris and Sol on either side of an altar clasping hands while a raven nibbles at meat on a spit right here suspended above the altar. So, the raven is symbol of the like the messenger bird. And if we look at some of the imagery, uh, let's see if we go back to >> it's in Carinthia. So it was Verunum was a Roman city in the province of Noricum in today's Zollfeld in the Austrian state of Carinthia. >> Okay. So Austria state of Carinthia. Okay. >> So yeah, the Roman Empire obviously like that. I know a lot of the evidence that people are finding for um mystery religions actually is sort of Roman city-states where these things were almost like imported like they were, you know, like offshoots of the Eleusinian mysteries or offshoots of the Mithraic mysteries. They they went out into the Roman colonies and they found >> evidence of things in in different ritual chambers and stuff. In this one here, you see Mithris in in most of them, uh, he's got his head, he's turned behind him looking. And in this case, you can see he's looking here to the raven. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And the raven is communicating to him as the messenger of the gods. >> Wow. >> Uh, see, he's how he's turned his head. So if you see he's facing the bull, that's probably a reconstruction that was in error cuz a lot of these things they attempted to reconstruct them >> um and piece them back together and sometimes they got some things wrong. >> So what is the significance of the raven? I think if I'm not mistaken raven is sometimes um associated with Apollo, right? >> Yeah. in a sense in the sense that the raven is again the is is a messenger. >> So in in Greek the first thing that comes up is in Greek mythology Apollo's raven was originally a snow white messenger that the god tasked with watching over his lover. >> Yeah. Ravens symbolize a mix of wisdom, prophecy, and transformation across various cultures. They are often seen as messengers between the living and the spirit world associated with both omens of death and guidance through change. >> So yeah, there's that idea of the messenger. Um, and I'm sure that those applied to the uh the important role of the raven in the Mithraic um symbolism. Let's see. Uh, >> sense >> sharpen. These mysterious birds have appeared in legends, religions and literary works across cultures and uh centuries uh from omens of death to messengers of divine wisdom. And I think in this context that would be the sense in which to interpret the presence of the raven, you know, messenger of divine wisdom, messenger of some kind of higher know. Yeah. Right here. Symbolic meaning in Norse culture, wisdom and higher knowledge. >> Mhm. um connection between gods and humans. So I think that's the context to understand the raven in the Mithraic ceremonies. >> Is there anything in that article about like Greco Roman? >> Well, >> because that would be interesting to get the direct cultural >> right >> connections there. final >> I want to say um, you know, the you know, the Iatromantis figures these like pre-Socratic Greek um philosopher shamans >> uh >> there there's one that I want to say is specifically associated with with ravens or crows and I'm trying to remember who that who it is but it's a well-known one and I and I remember him also being connected to Apollo and a lot you know a lot of people know Apollo as the sun god But really, I think earlier on, he was really the god of prophecy and like divine sight. >> I guess the first symbolism that I've ever associated with the raven was, you know, that that was the bird that um that Noah sent out. >> Interesting. And so if you think about it, so the the bird was brought from the antediluvian world, sent out from the ark, and then I believe it was the second time that the Raven K sent out. No, it was the third time I believe the raven was sent out, came back uh came back with empty, and then it came back with a a sprig of something growing in its mouth. And then it that not growing in its mouth, but it was some a growing like a leaf or something. Uh and then when it left and went back out the third time, it didn't come back. >> And so the raven then is like the first in in the in the post flood world and the antediluvian world that was now disappeared. The raven was like that first link, you see, between the antediluvian world and the and the what then became the the modern world eventually, the post flood modern world. >> So, the raven would have been the very first thing ever to make that crossing. And then >> that of course opened the way for Noah and his family to descend from the ark and repopulate the earth. Uh so the the raven has that important uh has that important role to play. Let's see uh what else we could Oh, the raven symbolizes survival. The Inuit culture believes the raven represents survival. Um, it's based on the story of Elijah where God sends a raven to feed him when he escapes kings Ahab and his wife Jezebel. Raven survival with their self-awareness and self-reflection. Ravens are symbols of transformation uh because they were originally considered to be both creator and destroyer gods. That would sort of make sense that um transformation because clearly the great flood was the was the you know preeminent transformative force that transformed the planet from the antediluvian world into the post diluvian world. And of course, as described in literature and in legend, we now know scientifically and geologically that yes, the world was drastically transformed and science can now verify the veracity of the of the traditions. Um, yeah, in Greek mythology, ravens are associated with Apollo, the god of prophecy. Um, in Nordic mythology, the raven represents wisdom, prophecy, and cunning. Um and they uh bring information and insight. >> Yeah. >> So that's kind of the role. And so I think that's would be the role um of the raven in the Mithraic tradition that that the >> Yeah, that makes sense. The bearer of divine wisdom >> and why Mithris is in the middle of slaying the bull. He's turning to look at the raven >> which is delivering this this information. >> But yeah, that we we could do a whole uh >> a whole you know we I've got several hundred slides here to look at so we won't get into that now. >> That would be that would be an awesome I would love to do that. But but to to to I don't know if there is a a a ribbon to tie around the link between this and what we were talking about with Giza other than this is a case in point of what we were talking about before that these sort of like underground initiatory temples and complexes are something that definitely existed throughout the ancient world and maybe we're dealing could this be the one that all of those traditions emanate from like this gigantic one in Egypt Perhaps >> maybe or or maybe that one is even another example of a even more ancient like pre flood one or maybe that is a pre flood one that they built pyramids over. I don't know man. I don't know but it's super interesting. >> I have thought for years that that at some point we might find evidence that the pyramids are, you know, were older than the conventional dating. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And now it looks like there's solid evidence that yes, we we can we can look at that for a minute if you want. >> Then we could circle back. >> But was but but was there a link between Mithros that you wanted to bring to the this or Yes. Because I think Mithras I mean and again we didn't really begin to unpack the meaning of the symbolism but when you >> it's all astrological though, right? >> Oh yeah. Yes. Now, if you if you look at that, each of those symbols and images, even down to the cap that he's wearing is significant. >> Um, and uh the presence of the dog, the presence of the scorpion, the presence of the serpent, the blood flowing, and why is the dog depicted lapping the blood that's flowing from the shoulder of the bull? Well, in in astronomy or astrology, what is the constellation of the bull? >> Taurus. >> Taurus. Yes. And what occupies the shoulder of the bull in the constellation of the Taurus? >> Um, that one I don't know. >> I don't know if I've ever actually shown this before. >> Maybe I have. Uh, let's see. All right. So, I'm going to show you the classical depiction of Taurus the bull. Are we seeing this? We are. >> All right. So, there's your typical classical depiction of the bull. You see Aldebaran right there. One of the bull's eyes. Now, let's come up to the bull's shoulder. >> And what do you see right there? >> Oh, the Pleiades. Yeah. >> Yes. the Pleiades. So Mithris is stabbing the bull right in the region that is occupied by the Pleiades >> and then we see blood flowing forth from that wound. >> Let's see what else here. Okay. Okay. Piazza smite the great pyramid. Its secrets and mysteries revealed. Now here upon we may all well wonder how it came about that according to the invaluable researches of Mr. Robert G. Halliburton of Halifax, Nova Scotia, that amongst the origins of almost all nations and among many unaltered savage tribes still this was written in 1880 such as the Australians, the Fijians, the Mexicans and many others people never reached by the Greeks or Romans. A similar beginning of the year to that described by Virgil is still perpetuated. The Pleiades or the star group chiefly characterizing for those nations the constellation of Taurus being annually appealed to for the purpose. >> Okay. So the rising of Pleiades would signal the beginning of the the new year for these various cultures. And and um the interesting thing about the Pleiades is the Pleiades when they culminated at midnight had had significance and this is it. Uh this is from the work by Robert Grant Halliburton the festival of the dead. A remarkable fact however was incidentally forced upon my attention that the memory of the deluge the flood >> was by the Mexicans, the Egyptians and the Jews associated with the same time of the year and by the latter two nations as well as in Greece. And with that day, I had found some very peculiar superstitions connected in the Pacific Islands as well as among most ancient nations among the Aztecs as well as the Egyptians. The deluge was commemorated at the beginning of the year of the Pleiades when that constellation culminated at midnight. >> What does it mean culminated? >> Um, I'm guessing got to the highest point in the sky maybe. >> Yes, that's right. So this moment Pleiades culminating and that is in Masonic lore the keystone of the royal arch. >> Ah >> because that arch of the heavens and we can see basically six of the constellations at any one time. Mhm. >> The evidence of that is uh in m in Freemasonry symbolized by the keystone which sits at that culminating point. Mhm. >> So, um, >> and well, I know I don't know a ton about it, but I know the Royal Arch is like a huge thing in Freemasonry, and I may have read at some point that that's specifically associated with Is it like the 32nd degree initiation, or is that >> Yeah, the Royal Arch. Yes, >> it's it's found all throughout Freemasonry, but it's particularly associated with the Scottish Rite. >> Yes. Um, and it does represent the the the vault of the heavens >> and this idea of what constellation is culminating at midnight. And and in fact, our we can see right here. Look at here. Here's a list of partial list of ancient cultures observing the festival of the dead in late October, November. 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Cubic miles of ice piled up on the planetary surface. If you can inject enough energy into the system and you melt, let's say a quarter of that or a third of that, that meltwater is rushing back into the global oceans, right? So, you've got land flows, and this is where I've been taking people out west, showing them here's where we can follow the path of the floodwater directly from the glaciers north of here and the pathway of that massive amount of water to the oceans.

Or we can go to the southwest deserts and I can show you where, or this the southeastern United States in the southern Appalachians, and I can show you where you have had intense, torrential, prolonged rainfalls that have literally drowned landscapes an order of magnitude, let's say, beyond the James River flood of 1969 when Hurricane Camille stalled over Virginia. One of the worst flood disasters in American history was this complete inundation. The rainfall was so intense that it drowned birds sitting in branches in trees.

Mike looked at the James River flood of 1969 caused by Hurricane Camille. We're talking here about rainfalls literally now that we can document pluvial events that can be documented that would have been an order of magnitude greater and probably would have lasted for weeks. And the same energy that could cause the direct melting of that ice sheet can also cause the direct injection of enormous amounts of water vapor into the atmosphere that will then begin to circulate. It can also then cause rapid sea level rise. So if you're a culture that's living on the oceans, the coastline, all of a sudden sea level starts rising fast enough that you barely have time to get up and move out of the way, right? And so you're drowning because we had millions of square miles of the coastal shelves drowned by the terminal glacial sea level rise.

Yes. So we have multiple ways that we can engender stories and myths about gigantic world-destroying floods. We now have scientific ways, geological ways, paleoclimatological ways to identify and describe those events. Well, is it any coincidence then that from all over the world we find stories and myths about gigantic floods? No, because we now realize that that is an intrinsic part of the natural processes here on Earth. We don't know the full explanation, but I think we're moving in on something. And I think there's evidence now that we haven't talked about, but we could get into at some point, that the toroids were probably the trigger for the terminal ice age destruction of the ice sheets. They're the prime candidate.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you demonstrated that for sure, I think, with just those anecdotes we went through earlier. At least for the meltwater pulse 1B sort of narrative, that's the one around Plato's or the one that Plato talked about in the Critias, right?

Yes. And so which to me is, you know, you could say, well, it's generally that fact is ignored by mainstream archaeology, of course. The idea that, but you know, if I don't know, do you know what a lurking variable is?

I can imagine. You ever heard of the term lurk? It's in statistics, right? So if you have a database and everything, it's like outside the system, outside it's like, okay, oh, we've got a bunch of dates here for 3,000 years ago, but then this is 10,000 years. So that's it's an outlier and it's probably some explanation for that, but we don't want to, we'll just disregard that. Right.

Yeah. The lurking variable is the outlier that actually, if you introduce it into the equation, completely changes the outcome of the equation. And I think our history is full of lurking variables.

Yeah. And, you know, one of them is the possibility of an impact. But certainly Plato's date of 11,600, if you brought that up to your mainstream archaeologist or prehistorian or whatever, they never would consider that anything more than just a coincidence. Right. And the way most of them have dealt with it in some of the commentaries that I've read is said, well, it would be impossible for the, you know, there because the Egyptians tell Solon, "Yeah, well, according to the accounts that are preserved in our sacred registers going back 9,000 years, 11,000, 9,000 years ago, speaking from the perspective of 600 BC, was when Atlantis sank." And it makes sense. I've, we've, I've discussed that extensively how it would make sense that the rapid sea level rise would cause reconfigurations in the geoid through isostatic movement of the plates, the vertical movement of the crusts of the Earth, which we know is significant now.

Right. Um, so it's clear that we know that there was isostatic adjustment of the area under the great North American ice sheets of perhaps as much as a couple of thousand feet. And it just follows that if you have the geoid, which is always trying to maintain equilibrium, and a simple-minded way to think of that is just think of an infinite number of points on the surface of the Earth, and you've got the Earth's center of mass, its gravitational center, let's say rather than its, although the two would presumably coincide. But if you took the average distance of an infinite number of points or just a limited 100 points, a thousand points on the surface of the Earth, and you take that distance from the Earth's surface to its center of mass, and you add all those up, you're always going to get the same answer, basically. So if there's a place, think of a beach ball, you take a beach ball and you compress it this way, it expands this way. But if you take the sum total of the surface distances to the center, they're going to be the same. You add them all up and you average that. Now, of course, in the real world, there's a lag. Okay? So, but the point is this. You remove a few quadrillion tons, a few hundred billion quadrillion tons of ice from North America, it starts rebounding. All of that weight, most of it from the Laurentide ice sheet and the Fenno-Scandian ice sheet over northwestern Europe, goes directly into the Atlantic Ocean, or it goes indirectly via the Arctic Ocean, but it ends up in the Atlantic Ocean. You're adding all of this weight to where you've got the thinnest, most flexible crust of the Earth, which is a plate boundary, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. And what sits astride the Mid-Atlantic Ridge? The Azores Plateau. It's about almost the size of Iceland. It sits at the junction of three plates: the North American plate, the Eurasian plate, and the African plate. And theoretically, it would make sense that the post-glacial adjustments of the geoid would require that area to subside. Is there empirical evidence that a subsidence took place? Absolutely, 100% there is.

Now, of course, all of this is ignored by the pseudo-archaeologist skeptics who just immediately. I saw online here a year or so ago somebody saying, "Well, Randle Carlson, he believes in Atlantis, so you can just dispense with whatever he says because he believes in Atlantis." So the guy, in other words, believing in Atlantis means you have no credibility. So you can say the most accurate things out there, you can put together something completely rational, completely supported by a mountain of evidence, etc., completely logical. But if you believe in Atlantis, all that can be thrown out. Now, do I believe in Atlantis? I will say no, I don't believe in Atlantis. Could there have been an Atlantis? My answer is yes, there could have been. There could have been. And what we now know about ancient history, I think the more we learn, the more it opens the possibility. And if you were going to create an ice age culture, an ice age civilization, that might have been a good place to do it, especially if the Azores Plateau was above water. If it has subsided by a couple of thousand feet, we throw in a couple of 400 feet of sea level rise, we're now at over half a mile. It's probable that it subsided more than that because if we look at the structure of the plates emanating out orthogonal or perpendicular, say, to the ridge itself, what are called transform faults, you can interpret those as stretch marks, basically. Um, they're like this. So you figure here's the depression. Now sea level is lifted during an ice age, and all of this weight comes off, and then this is what happens. Now you also have a lateral transfer of magma beneath the crust. So if you've got ice over North America, it's pressing down. It pushes everything to the side. As that lateral movement of subcrustal material comes under the oceans, it has a tendency to push up from beneath. So, at the same time you're releasing weight from here, you're increasing the pressure from below. So, it's natural. There has to be an adjustment vertically, an isostatic adjustment. Right now, what happens when the water flows back into the ocean and you have several billion quadrillion tons of water weight? It subsides and it causes a pressure, a lateral pressure that moves under the North American continent and adds to the forces uplifting. So it's not just the removal of the weight on top, it's this upwelling pressure below which is caused by the lateral transfer of subcrustal material, if that makes sense.

Okay. So now this piece of the Azores Plateau, which interestingly has been identified as being primarily granitic in character and even associated possibly with being a remnant of the African plate that got left behind because of continental spreading. Right? It seems to have it seems to be sitting right there flanking this triple junction. And it makes perfect sense that it would subside and rebound according to the. And it would have also been a very benign place for humans to build a culture during the late glacial maximum, going back 20,000 to 25,000 years ago. And then sea level rises at the end of the ice age, and then you get this subsidence, this collapse. And the whole story. Give the detailed see because, you know, we talked about the fact that in November I went and spent a few weeks in the Azores exploring.

Yes. And that was hilariously, that was the impetus of us doing this podcast, which we haven't even gotten into it yet. Well, if we actually looked, see, we've been describing this vast arc, and now we're back to it here.

Yes. Yes. And I wanted to say this too, before you said all of this stuff is interrelated. If I could see a person being like, how could this possibly be interrelated? You know, talking about Mithraic initiation rituals plus these cataclysmic events. And all I, all I think about is just how unbelievably true at every level the most famous Hermetic dictum is, that which is like above is like that which is below. So, so, so that corresponds to, I think, I think it corresponds to ritual technology, visionary experiences, literal technologies, acting things out physically that depict things going on in the stars or depict things going on in myths or theogonies having to do with like mimicking the gods and also at the same time memorializing cataclysmic events and like huge things that need to be preserved in the cultural psyche. And it really does, I think, all somehow flow together within this sacred science that nobody fully understands. But I think we're all, especially people like you, just preserving slightly and scratching the surface of slightly with all of this stuff.

Yeah. And and you know what I try to do is I like to connect dots, right? You know, I'm trying to see the interconnectedness of things because our separating of different topics of knowledge and different areas of study and research is totally artificial. In the real world, in the natural world, there is no differentiation. You know, obviously there is a correlation between the movement of the stars and the growth of plants here on Earth.

Right. Right. Um, but on the other hand, you have an astronomer and you have a botanist.

And a botanist and astronomer talk two completely different languages, but they're each just looking at different slices of the whole continuum of nature, right? So what is needed is, we specialists, absolutely, we need specialists, but we also need for science to advance, we need people who are able to transcend the boxes and the categories and look for the patterns of connectedness. And that's my approach now. You know, I like to say, well, when it comes to paleoclimatology, I know more than most people, right? But there are climatologists who know more about that than me, obviously, but they don't know much about mythology. Right. I'll know more about mythology than they do. Um, and I'll know more about paleoclimatology than most ethnographers or people who study myths, right? We can go down a list of things. Astronomy, right? So there's a few things like paleohydrology, the study of mass movements of water on the surface of the Earth. I know quite a bit about that. Now, there are people who know somewhat more, but they don't know much about some of the other stuff I know about. So what I'm getting at is that I'm in a position where after what I, well, I launched officially launched my research on my 18th birthday.

Oh, wow. And I actually have a journal, which I misplaced. It's around here somewhere, where my journal entry was that I decided, I made that decision. Might not have been on my birthday, but it was about that time, that I was going to become a man of learning, that I wanted to become an educated man. I was going to, I'm going to devote my life. I made that commitment. I'm going to devote my life, my life is going to become a life of learning. I'm going to be trying to reach levels of knowledge that would be, you know, I want to be a scholar of my era, of my generation, you know, because I was by that time, I had been reading some of the minds, and they were my heroes, the great thinkers, and so on. And that's what I aspired to. So that was what, 64 years ago? 1969. So 70, 30, 40, 50, no, 50, it's 57, 58 years ago. So I started studying, reading voluminously of everything I could find, a bunch of different subjects, you know, all the way from mathematics and geometry to mythology and legends and occult traditions, and reading about the natural history, reading about history, just consuming, reading. And then come about the 80s is when I really started venturing out and exploring and looking at landscapes and going to sites of archaeological, paleontological, and geological significance or historical significance. Um, so I'm still here. My brain is still functioning fairly well.

Thank God. Um, thank God. And hopefully I'm going to be around for a few more decades at least, because we're just getting sort of the momentum where, you know, it's kind of like, it's taken me half a century to really put, you know, my instincts told me, yes, there's a connection between this, between A and B, but I don't really have a clear conception in my mind of what that connection is. Well, now I have. There have been a number of breakthroughs in the last, conceptual breakthroughs in the last few years that where I've really started to see the interconnectedness and realizing that yes, there is a great cycle of earth change, and humans have been around for probably at least a couple hundred thousand years, modern humans. And how many cultural or social experiments and how many civilizations have we built that have been completely lost to history is an open question. And what so many of the skeptics don't understand is that the extent to which the planet has been remodeled over and over again. You know, when you bring in an ice age, you completely reconfigure the landscape of the Earth. And then when you end that ice age, you've reconfigured it again. And it's like, really, what the Earth is showing us when we probe deep into the strata of the Earth is that you have catastrophe followed by a relatively calm interval followed by another catastrophe. And you have catastrophe juxtaposed on catastrophe.

And I think the model that's emerging is that civilizations arise in the intervals between the catastrophes, right? That they say that in Critias, right? They say the same thing, I believe.

Pretty much. Yeah. And there are traditions that basically say the same thing. And think about the universality of the tradition of there being a former order of things, right? All, I mean, from Native Americans to the Mayans, to the biblical, to the Sumerians, to the inhabitants of Indochina, I mean, all over you find that same universal theme. Now, it has been the attitude of mainstream scholarship and academia to just, you know, it's a type of narcissism, I think. You know, it's, well, we've got it figured out now. And ancient peoples were scientifically illiterate, so you know, they invented stuff. You know, oh, they were so filled with fear that they had to invent stuff about how the world worked. Well, they might have been filled with fear, but if the fear was not just something supernatural, they were filled with fear because they knew. You know, if, again, you invoked the myth of fate. Well, I think there's a reason Plato prefixed the whole story of Atlantis by recounting, making reference to that myth.

That's right. And he says right out, it has the form of a myth, but it really signifies the movement of the bodies in the heavens around the Earth and a great conflagration of things at a regular time cycle. So, I mean, he's telling us right there. And the other outlier to me is that the almost kind of a throwaway reference where he's talking about, well, let's see. I probably have it right here. Um, yeah, listen to this. So he's talking to Solon. Now, the elderly priest who, I believe it was Crantor, no, maybe maybe it was Plutarch that named the priest Santis, that that was the wisest of the elderly priests that saw.

It makes sense that it would be Plutarch because he's like the biographer, but I don't know for sure.

Yeah. So many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our history. Now, this is he's talking to Solon. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valor. For these histories tell of a mighty power which was aggressively wanting against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean. For in those days, the Atlantic was navigable, and there was an island situated in front of the straits which you call the Pillars of Heracles. The island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands. Now, that is throwing some people off because I think what it's referring to, just like if you look at Polynesia, which was several hundred thousand square miles, if you look at the whole island complex, he's clearly describing. He says, um, it was the way to other islands.

Yeah. So there would have been many more islands in the Atlantic Ocean than there are now. The Azores comprise nine islands. They're the roots of those islands are in the Azores Plateau.

Yeah. Which is now sunken a mile or so beneath the ocean surface. And they're the peaks of mountains. If you were to drain the ocean away, you'd have this plateau sitting there with nine mountains on it.

Right? Um, now get this. It was the way to other islands, and from those islands, you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean. For this sea, which is within the straits of Heracles, is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but that other is the real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a continent. Well, think about this. You're going sailing west from the Pillars of Heracles. You come to an island or a group of islands, and then what's beyond that? Well, he says, "From those islands, you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent." Well, that sure as hell does sound like a reference to North America to me.

Right. Yeah, for sure.

Now, again, unless there was some other massive sunken body in the middle of the ocean, which kind of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge there looks like it could be quite huge. I don't know if that was ever above water, but huge.

Well, it would have been. See, the thing about the Azores Plateau is it rises a couple of thousand feet above the surrounding abyssal plain. So if you were to raise that up, that would be the first thing that would emerge. And if the subsidence was 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 feet, um, if you reverse that, yeah, now you have a nice good-sized island in the Mid-Atlantic, and it would have been surrounded by quite a few other islands. Islands. You now have submerged seamounts that would also be above, and those would have been islands.

Mhm. Um, so I, I, to me, I look at that, that's one of those lurking variables because I go, okay, behind that one statement of Plato, I bet you there's a whole tradition of ancient knowledge about the existence of North America.

For sure. For sure. And I think you've set us up beautifully to return to Atlantis in our next dialogue, even though that was sort of the plan for this one, but there's so much, man. There's just so much to get to, and we didn't even get into the ancient technology part of it either.

No, but we touched upon that a bit. So we can pick that up because I think we now have an answer to the ancient technology question. And I think we can go ahead and we can say that it's plasma-based. And once I've laid out what I think is the evidence for that, I think most people will agree that that is a very likely probability that the control of plasma and knowing how to use frequencies to cause incoherent plasmas to cohere and self-organize into plasmoids from which energy could then be extracted was the most likely base for an alternate technology to the one we're utilizing today to support our civilization. And in the next decade, I think that if we make it another 10 years, we're going to see a transformation of our whole industrial base from fossil fuels to plasma.

That's a crazy statement. And yeah, we can definitely pick that up in another conversation.

We definitely should, my friend. Every single one of these is so enjoyable. I always feel like we leave so much on the table, but I think that's the way it has to be. Even if we do a hundred of them, we're going to feel that way. And hopefully, we will, hopefully, we will do many, many more.

What I'll try to do for our next one is summarize and compress 57 years of research into two hours.

No problem. Yeah, I'm sure that'll be no problem, right?

I heard a rumor, I heard a rumor that you might be coming to Austin at some point. Is that true?

That's true. Yes. Well, maybe maybe I can pile on to that trip because I heard you might be doing another podcast people may have heard of, but.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I did a Joe Rogan podcast. He's in Franklin. Um, and I've got, I think I hope you still got, I mean, for a while I had an open invitation to come back on for a follow-up there. And I've got an invitation now to go out and, you know who Michael Nolles is, the conservative commentator.

I think you mentioned him on the phone to me, but I don't know him personally. He seems like a pretty good guy. I mean, you know, I personally, for my politics, I'm a libertarian, pretty much, which means sometimes I agree with the liberal side, sometimes I agree with the conservative side, but I'm totally an independent. I make up my own mind about stuff. But the cornerstone of my philosophy is freedom, basically. Absolutely believe in the First Amendment and people living their lives the way they choose without interference from the state, as long as you respect the rights of others to do the same. Um, I'm very much imbued with the original philosophy, I think, of America, what was enshrined in the Declaration and the Constitution, but even more so maybe the Articles of Confederation, but certainly the idea of natural rights is a cornerstone of my belief system. Um, so everything kind of flows from that. So, um, there's a lot I disagree with the liberal side. There's a lot I disagree with the conservative side. But then I.

Thinking person, I think you have to.

Yeah. If you're an independent thinker, you have to do that. But, you know, it's so much easier for people just to take the tribal imprint and believe, okay, I'm part of this tribe. This is what I believe. I don't have to question. You know, about politics, they don't question about theology because I'm a Protestant, I believe this. Right. I'm this, I believe that. I've never been that way. I've been, I want to make up my own mind about stuff. And that's pretty much where I'm coming from.

So, yeah. One of my favorite Robert Anton Wilson quotes is, "Belief is the death of intelligence."

See, I like that because Robert Anton Wilson was one of my kind of heroes. I read a lot of him back in the day.

He was great. He was. Did you read Cosmic Trigger?

That's my, yeah, that's my favorite book of his. Cosmic Trigger is so fun.

Oh, I had a lot of fun with that, too. And I, after I read it, it was weird because right after I read it, I had a whole series of weird synchronicities and coincidences.

Yeah. You know, um, just very weird. Um.

Yeah, for people that haven't, if people haven't gone down the Robert Anton Wilson rabbit hole, I would probably recommend Cosmic Trigger first because it's his sort of autobiographical, mystical, you know, story of his own life and all the crazy, tragic, synchronous, magical things in between happened to him. And there's some amazing, and some of it circles back to this conversation a little bit.

Oh, yeah. But a lot of it is, yeah, it's wild. It's a wild.

Well, I mean, yeah, he brings in the whole Sirius Mystery.

Y. And, you know, Robert K. Temple. Robert, you know who he is, wrote the book, The Sirius Mystery. I think it came up.

Yeah. And he also, yeah. And he also wrote New Science of Heaven, which is about.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And that's a whole other crazy part of this plasma conversation. Yes. Is where does consciousness come in? Because Temple kind of just all of a sudden in that book brings up, you know, is talking about fairly straightforward, you know, like plasma. It's the force state of nature and or the force state of matter and it's most of the universe is actually plasma. And then he gets straight into conversing with like plasma beings at a certain point and it takes a pretty esoteric left turn. But I mean, man, you can't discount it. You can't. I mean, and what if that, what if that, yeah, what if that is the missing connection between all of us, Randall, too? Is that maybe you gain command of these plasma technologies and you also find yourself communing with certain intelligences through that?

Listen, I totally think that that's the direction it's headed. Um,

Wow. The way that plasmoids can self-organize and then begin to exhibit traits that we would associate with self-awareness and intelligence.

Wow. And we could talk about the likely role there between plasmoids, let's say, for example, in the UAP phenomena.

Yes. Between crop circles, several other things, you know.

Well, you know, and it's just occurring to me, Randall, like you were talking about the importance of geometry and the importance of ratios earlier. I think this might have been before the recording, but you were saying that this is important to forming these coherent plasmoids. Now, what does that imply? You can boost the signal, right? You can scale like a geometric picture by continuing to do the same thing.

So, what if you just continuously did the same thing and kept growing the plasmoid sphere and assuming it would all interconnect with itself? I mean, that seems to be a plausible way right there to potentially create a more and more intelligent, coherent, geometric, and resonant-based.

Resonance. Key word, resonance.

Yes. Because that is kind of almost the implication of resonance is influence at a distance. That seems to be because if you have two things vibrating in resonance, you can have one, this can vibrate, and then there's no direct connection to them, but then there will be a secondary vibration, a harmonic of this other system. And plasmas, I think, are part of a technology, and we can see that the plasma technologies are based upon the coherent plasmoids and knowing how to extract energy. And you said water, you mentioned the importance of water, right? And water is a fundamental component of the utilization of plasmoid energies because it's in the water that you generate the microbubbles, and those microbubbles can be, I think, generated in nature too. I think that was part of Viktor Schauberger's work.

Um, and if you know who Viktor Schauberger, are you familiar with him at all? Ah, look him up. Viktor Schauberger for our next conversation.

Okay. Uh, he did work with water. And, you know, you certainly know who Wilhelm Reich is.

Yes. Yes. You know that he discovered that the thunder, not the cloud buster as he called it, was amplified. In fact, it only worked if it was grounded into flowing water.

Yeah. There we're opening some really fascinating threads here and ones I want to at least give the audience a little bit of coherence on before we just hit stop. But so, so yeah, Wilhelm Reich, if you look him up, you're going to see this like disgraced psychologist who came up with all of this, you know, this whole suspect methodology and technology and blah, blah, blah. But he also feels like a bit of a suppressed figure, a figure whose work was largely disparaged and destroyed. But there's a lot of brilliant people who are directly in his orbit that attest to him being an extraordinarily high-level genius. From, I mean, people from the esoteric realm, people from the psychological realm, people from, yeah. He's a very interesting, very divisive figure.

Yeah. And he was, he was arrested and thrown into prison primarily because they wanted to shut his work down.

Yeah. Orone, orone energy was sort of his big.

Right. And orone energy, whether you call it chi or qi or prana or orone energy.

Puma. Numa. Yeah, exactly. There are multiple words. I think they're all referring to aspects of the same thing. And that connects us right back to the plasma and this guy's work. If anybody wants to get into this more, I recommend this book, A New Science of Heaven. Um, it's just like it says on the back, observations by astronomers and by scientists in the lab revealed the lifelike behavior of entities made of plasma. Some of these entities exhibit a complexity and features similar to those in advanced computers, which suggest they may be capable of high levels of intelligence. Two gigantic clouds of plasma, which together are nine times larger than the Earth, have been detected hovering between the Earth and the Moon. Here's the story of scientific research into plasma, the fourth state of matter. Robert Temple reveals extraordinary discoveries, discoveries that up till now have been unknown by anyone outside specialist circles. Despite the fact that many of the pioneers in this field have been Nobel laureates, the implications of these discoveries for our place in the universe, for the likelihood of other forms of intelligence out there, and for our understanding of human nature are extraordinary.

So then we have this book coming out at the same time that Malcolm Bendle is releasing his work on plasmoids to the world.

Wow. And you know that was the whole, what was called the No Show Joe Show was where I brought Malcolm on the show.

Oh. Right, right, right, right, right. And it immediately went so controversial.

Right. There's a whole backstory to that. Um, and a lot of people were questioning what went on. What was the other one called? The Joe Rogan, the Lost Episode.

Yeah. Etc. It was just too bad that we were not, it got into personality conflict rather than addressing the science. And I had a whole presentation ready to go that I was trying to. But anyways, it's fine because at the time that happened, major testing of the technology had not taken place. This was in, I believe, February of, was it 2020?

Yeah. A number of years ago. Maybe 2022, 2023. So I think it could be long ago that maybe. Anyways, I knew that the following summer coming up, there was going to be a testing regime that got underway. So the first major testing of the technology that occurred in one of the major universities at the Research Triangle under the auspices of a billion-dollar cold fusion company, I was attending and was able to witness that testing and saw for myself. And I, I mean, I already believed that it was valid. I mean, everything that I had learned and studied about it and heard and was taught seemed to fit and make sense. But, you know, something like that, I was there, was able to see the testing under very exacting protocols with skeptics. I saw, well, I saw alchemy in action, basically.

Wow. So what happened was, we had to make it a very abbreviated version because I know we got to get going. But two.

Uh, two generators set, two different, two exact same. I forget the model of the generators. They were like the kind of generators you'd have, small generators like you might have to run your house in a power outage. Exact same, two different rooms. Turn them on, calibrate them, and use the mass spectrometer and a gas analyzer. Two different ways of analyzing the effluence coming out of the tailpipes of these, the exhaust pipes of these generators. And, well, I could actually maybe we'll close, we'll end with.

Sure. With this. I'll show you the. I think I have the readouts right here.

All right. Let me know if you're seeing this.

I do. Okay. So, we got a Honda generator, petrol. This was written by somebody who's from England. Third of July, 2023. So, you run this generator, which was running, I believe, on diesel. I'm pretty sure it was diesel. Um, and you had this gas analyzer and mass spectrometer that are looking at the effluents coming out. So you've got five major constituents coming out of the exhaust pipe. Here's CO2, that's your carbon dioxide, and it was at 9.3%. Right. The carbon monoxide was at 5.48%. So, I mean, oxygen was 4.66, and then other hydrocarbons in parts per million were 199 parts per million, and nitrogen oxides in parts per million were 27 parts. Now, so if you turn this on, within 30 seconds, you start getting the fumes.

Yeah. Within a minute or two, you got to clear out of the room.

Sure. Because you can't breathe anymore. Okay. So, you can see over here, time was 11 minutes and 53 seconds after 10:00 AM, and that's what's coming out. So now we, oh, you know, it's not letting me edit. Here we go. Here we go. So now we'll come over here. So this is at 15 minutes and 39 seconds after 10. So, whatever, roughly about four minutes later.

Mhm. Mhm. Now, let's see what's coming out of the tailpipe.

Wow. How much carbon dioxide?

Zero. How much carbon monoxide?

Zero. How much oxygen?

20.97. So the oxygen goes up.

Hydrocarbons go down.

Yep. So that's, you know, roughly a quarter. So about a 75% reduction in hydrocarbons. Um, four times nine and four times seven, say roughly 17th. But oxygen has done this.

Yeah. Now, here's the takeaway about this. If you're out there, my friend George Lush, who's one of the world's foremost annealing experts, who's involved in this technology now, made the analogy. He said, "If you're in a pristine mountain alpine environment, no pollution, just pure optimum oxygen, you take a deep breath of this pure, sweet, oxygenated air, it's going to have between 20 and 21% oxygen." So, what's coming out of this exhaust pipe now is basically pure, unpolluted air.

Wow. That's what's coming out. Now, where did the carbon dioxide go? Where did the carbon monoxide? Where did these substances go? Well, they're right here. They were transmuted by the plasmoids. And this, my friend, is just the start. This is like the lowest rung of the ladder right here. The ability to do this.

Man. Well, that is a very fascinating place to leave it. I'm glad I'm glad we did that. But yes, next time.

We're going plasmoids, ancient technology, and the return to Atlantis.

Well, that sounds like a pretty good game plan.

It does. I'm going to stop sharing here so we can say goodbye.

Yeah. Properly.

Yes. I really appreciate it, man. Always so much fun.

Always so much to think about and, and, and excitement for the next one.

Well, and I think what we're doing here, Michael, is, you know, we're we're doing our part to change the paradigm, and it desperately needs to be changed at this point because we are at a crossroads, my friend.

And we've got two roads ahead of us. One that leads to glories I think that we can't even begin to imagine, and the other which leads to oblivion. But we need to do what we're doing, continue doing what we're doing, and try to get as many people awakened to these possibilities because I think that there's a lot of, what do you want to call it, pessimism, too much pessimism out there. Yeah, especially with how much darkness is just going around the zeitgeist right now. It's so easy to get lost in the Epstein files, like AI doom, you know, just so many things that could, that could, and really are happening before our eyes, that it's easy to forget that there is unbelievable truth and beauty and possibility.

Well, you know, just last week, the last nuclear weapons treaty, the whole series of nuclear safeguards that were put in place going back to 1972, one by one, those have been allowed to expire, and the last one was last week, and now there are no restraints. So we could be standing on the threshold of a whole new arms race, and we don't want to go down that road, and we don't have to go down that road, and there are ways to prevent that. There are ways to turn the trajectory. But we need to inform people and educate people and inspire people to look. You know, your contributions as an individual, you could be like that lurking variable that comes into the equation and completely changes the outcome.

Amen, brother. So, I guess on that note, I'm going to sign off and go lurk.