Eating Foods on Time w/ Atom Bergstrom | Mitolife Radio Ep: #166

[Music] You were listening to episode 166 of My Life Radio. I am Matt Blackburn, and today I have back on the show a regular guest, Mr. Adam Bergstrom. Out of all of the shows that I’ve recorded with Adam, I’m shocked that we’ve never had a full one completely on solar nutrition or chronobiotic nutrition. It’s based on the organ clock system—that different parts of our body are active at specific times. The basic idea behind eating on time is that you get more nutrition out of your food when you eat it on time. I’ve been playing around with this for the last four or five months—not 100% militant, but just entertaining the idea—and I really feel a difference. And I like that Adam is not all or nothing with it; he actually says that you want to break the rules intentionally, I think, once a month. And so it’s just one more thing to be aware of, not to stress out about or try to be 100%, but just to be aware that this is another tool that you can use to improve your health. So I’ll let Adam break it down here. Enjoy the show. Here is Adam Bergstrom.

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All right, we’re here with Adam Bergstrom. Welcome back. You’re glad to be here. The wonders of the internet—you’re in Idaho, and I’m here in California. Pretty far distance.

Yeah, we were laughing before the show that I think this is our 11th or so, and you’ve mentioned solar nutrition throughout our episodes, but we’ve never had a full one on it—sun sync nutrition and eating on time. And for whatever reason, about a month and a half ago, I started binging your old interviews—I think seven, eight years ago—with Justin and Kate on Extreme Health Radio. I think those are the best ones I found; they’re all on YouTube, and I was taking notes—uh, what time to do different things—and I’ve been I’ve been playing with it more—not being 100%, but instead of 50%, maybe 80%—and just really feeling it. And something stuck out that you told Justin and Kate, like seven years ago: you said it increases the synchronicity in your life, because that’s kind of related to timing. And that was my favorite part of maybe the 10 interviews that I binge-listened to. Synchronicity has been one of my favorite subjects for a long time. I uh, I noticed things happening like that when I was in high school, and then when I discovered the I Ching, I got into the idea of timing. There’s two types of timing: chronological that goes on, and then there’s a type that things just kind of match up. Carl Jung got into it a lot—you know, a person, one of his patients would have a dream about a scarab beetle, and then the scarab beetle would come against the window. And I have that all the time recently. In fact, I was talking about what is his name—there’s a Russian bodybuilder uh, who has novel ideas about the bodybuilding of havoc—that’s selling something like that—and so I was going through some of my cases and notes, and I found almost identical information just randomly in one of my tingle boxes full of notes from a 1980s Strength and Health interview. So it it definitely—I’ve always had a lot of synchronicity, but it definitely kind of uh, torqued it.

Yeah, I’ve noticed there’s times in my life where—um, oh sorry, there might be a little delay—where the synchronicity was more and then more, and then times when the synchronicity was less—like I remember synchronicities happening daily, and then there were periods where it didn’t happen for months or maybe years. Really interesting. I used to be fascinated with it where I uh, it happened to me so often that I started doing experiments, and I noticed uh, if I meditated—for when I first started meditating—it would happen at the beginning, and then if I’d stop meditating after a month, it would happen. And I equate it to, you know, how we notice the sunrise and sunset more often, and that it seems more dramatic—we’re more likely to remember the sun coming up and the sun going down than we are the sun any place else in the sky. So I started changing consciousness, and in the in-between zone—sunrise and sunset, if you will—I would get these synchronicities. So one time I hadn’t touched alcohol for a couple of months, and I took a glass of wine and just walked out the door to see what would happen, and my high school buddy’s driving up and said, “What are you doing here?” I said, “Waiting for you.” I hopped in the car, and off he went. So that kind of thing would fascinate me, and it happened more when I started getting into eating on time.

That’s really cool. Yeah, I I got started with it, I think a month and a half ago, just really diving into your information, and I got the book—Yes, No, Maybe—Chronobiotic Nutrition, finally. And you know, coming from the repeat world, which you do as well, um, they’re very anti-nuts and seeds, and I was for the last couple of years, and then because of your information and particularly what you said about almonds—how they’re more omega-6 than omega-3—and this is a topic of debate—I still get challenged every day about it. They’re like, “All PUFAs are bad, whether it’s hoofahs or omega-6s, but only one causes lipoflexcon, right?” And that’s the omega-3s. You know, I when I researched that, that’s what I found in 14 books and a lot more of answering questions about it and researching it since, and and tempted to write that 15th one, but resisting. I can’t find a single case of omega-6s causing yellow fat disease. It probably causes other things, but Monsanto and Dupont know this. They take the omega-3s out of their soybeans now because they know that the omega-3 jams up fast food machinery and also ages salmons prematurely before they can kill them. You’d get bad meat if they didn’t give them uh, they if they didn’t take the linoleic acid out—the corn oil was okay, the corn feed—but the soy that they were feeding salmon, because it’s more omega-3s, was not cutting it. So they’re making a fortune now—probably going to be trillions—on these soybeans that they have completely eliminated the amiga 3s without telling the public. They call it high-olia soybeans, but if you check, there’s three patents—take out the linoleum and it when the lennox and call it linolenic, so people don’t get wise—that’s omega-3s—and then adds a little bit of olia—brag about, “We took the saturated fat out of it,” one percent—like that makes the difference. So it’s a scam. And at the same time, they recommend amiga threes, and meanwhile they’ve been fighting—actually, Monsanto has been fighting omega-3s since the 1970s. So so wow, it’s amazing how they how they can get away with it and make a fortune playing both sides of the fence.

There’s so many traps to get through, right? Like yeah, like cholesterol causes heart disease, saturated fat causes heart disease, um, you know, low fat, no salt, and then people—if they survive those traps—then they’re on to the omega-3 trap, which unless they find you, but probably never get out of it. And you too—there there are people catching on now. I see more and more, but they they they actually rigged it up on Google. When I first started uh, dissing omega-3 fatty acids and put yellow fat disease in there, were about 8 500 hits—is that what you call it—on when you uh, when you search on the internet. If you put quotation marks in yellow fat disease, and when I started, they kept climbing. I got it up to 26 000, and I realized my blogs were affecting the search, and people were starting to get it. Suddenly one day, after about four months, it dropped down to 8 000 again and has stayed ever since. And and I’m all over the internet with yellow fat disease—repeated—you are—other people are—and yet they’re they don’t want people to find out. There’s no mention of uh, yellow fat disease being associated with uh, with omega-3 fatty acids in Wikipedia. They have eight reasons—all of them have nothing to do with that—and uh, so it’s rigged—the game is rigged.

Sounds like a conspiracy.

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Well, I started eating um, nuts in the morning because of you, and what made sense to me was moderation, right? I mean, there’s a time to be extreme and take tons of stuff. You know, I think there’s time for both, but most of the time to me it makes sense to be in balance. And and you know, instead of being a raw vegan like I used to do and go through you know five pounds of almonds a month or whatever—just having a handful in the morning—like I’ve been doing—like 15, and then 15 soaked almonds, one walnut, and one cashew—and those are all the nuts I’ve been having in the morning. I think I’m slowly starting to add in brazil nuts, but uh, I really feel the difference doing that. We used to use brazil nuts, but we’ve had trouble up here uh, finding uh, ones that don’t have mold in them. And I used to eat them regularly—one brazil nut—because they’re very strong—even Bernard Jensen back in the day used to recommend one brazil nut—and uh, but then we—no matter where we got them—you can taste—they definitely have molding. So I don’t know what’s going on with the shipping, because I never had that problem with brazil nuts in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, and somewhere around 2012 or 2013—they started—actually later 2015—they started coming in—back—but I haven’t checked recently for a couple of years now. So yeah, I found some companies that um, it’s really convenient—you can buy them in bags already soaked and dehydrated—um, which I I might get back into soaking my own almonds because there’s I kind of like taking the skin off and and eating it. Do you have thoughts on that—eating its skin on or off with a soaked almond?

Yeah, actually the skin is good because it has tannins. Now tannins used to be the bad guy, but in tea they call them uh, what is their name for them—I can’t think—phenolics. Phenolics and cannolis are good for you. So again, they use that trick of linolenic—bad—uh, omega-3—good—and they’d use tannins before—put a little milk in your tea to protect you from the tannins. Now all those uh, phenolics in there are excellent uh, eg, whatever those initials are and this and that—they got them all in—it’s all tannins. So the tannins actually help you absorb any vitamin C foods you’re having in the morning and also help you absorb the almond itself.

Wow, interesting. There’s a lot of people really that I was thinking that he eaten me—sorry.

[Laughter]

I think we have like a three-second delay. It might be this the snow that’s coming down here in Idaho.

Yeah, we don’t—we’ve been complaining about a cold uh, California here, but uh, but we have nothing like you guys—both in Colorado and where you are now.

Yeah, I I love it. It’s really refreshing, and it’s been between like the third like in the 30s most of the time—sometimes the 40s—so it’s not too bad.

Yeah, once you get used to it. I I used to do workshops up in Wisconsin, okay, where where Guru is now uh, but uh, he got to be 27 below zero, but we were inside with a fireplace and all that—could go out, have snowball fights and things like that.

That’s awesome. So that’s interesting. I like the drier cold.

Yeah, I think the humidity has been around like 50 percent, um, which I like—I can’t I can’t take anything too low.

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You know, uh, 50 is actually ideal for not getting colds and not getting viruses. This was actually proved by Johns Hopkins in the 20s and 30s and totally forgotten. In fact, during the Spanish flu, one hospital only had a few deaths because they knew that particular principle back then. So if you have a dehumidifier or humidifier—like if you live in Arizona where it’s so dry, you know, it gets to be five percent humidity—or if you’re in Houston where it gets to be 100 humidity on an ongoing basis—you can have one of those to adjust it to 50 during cold and flu and other seasons. I don’t want to mention any other names—getting some trouble here on Facebook.

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That’s awesome to know. Um, so so oranges—you got me on back on orange juice because I was buying store-bought the last few years, and I was fresh squeezing for a while, and then somehow I got off that and was buying it, you know, in a plastic jug—but totally different—just the way you feel, the taste, everything. And so I’ve been ordering like two boxes of organic oranges, and it doesn’t take me long every morning to just juice 32 ounces. And you’re saying it’s good for the lungs, right—at lung time?

Definitely good for the lungs. Yeah, without a doubt. Something in it, and you know, I don’t even know if it’s the bioflavonoids or what they claim, but there’s something in it that—well, you know, I had a kind of a magic uh, a magic cure—over taking oranges and giving up tuna and mayonnaise—because I was going down the toilet here in about the 20 2014, I guess it was. I had edema, I had petechia—you know, the little purple spots that appear out of nowhere—I had bleeding gum—gums bleeding—butt only when I wiped—I had to go, you know, with your pants down—make it to the sink—wipe with water so you didn’t irritate it. Now I can wipe my butt with sandpaper. Oh, and then I had headacheless migraines—they call them coke lights, but I don’t do coke—so suddenly I’d have this this is a zigzag pattern up here in front of my eyes—I have to wait 20 minutes so I can see the computer again—and it would be happening regularly. Now that’s gone too. Anyway, even with solar—which saved me back in the day—a long time ago—by eating all that tuna—which, by the way, my mentor Donald Lay warned me against—he didn’t mention yellow fat disease—he just thought I was doing too much of it—and he said, “Make your own mayonnaise; don’t eat that stuff.” And of course, I was partly eating—what was it—Blacks—they had some kind of healthy mayonnaise—and at that time I knew nothing about omega-3s being bad—when they came out of supplements though—I knew I wasn’t going to take them because it made no sense to me—and especially when the Eskimos only live into their 30s and 40s—I figured, of course, they’re not going to have heart disease—they do better on junk food today. So solar nutrition—that that’s based on the Chinese organ clock um, which is a proven thing, right?—that our organs and glands and parts of the body are active at certain times of the day.

That’s like the foundation of solar nutrition.

Definitely. In fact, uh, in China they they’ve had that chart since at least maybe 600 A.D. or so—probably goes back even further—and they’ve known that the organs tend to cycle through. Now modern science didn’t discover that, but they did discover that all of our cortisol, calcium—all of these have rhythms in our body where they’re maximum and minimal—and uh, even as much as maybe 30 years ago—maybe 40 or 50—they knew that if you take a nap during the day, you you don’t have your calcium-saving mechanism—you will pee out 16 times more calcium than if you take that nap at night at the same, you know, 12-hour distance—and but you pee out more sodium too. So people who are worried about high sodium—I’m not—but they can just take a nap at that time. So apparently, over millions and millions and millions of sunrises and sunsets, we’ve adapted to these sunrises and sunsets, and we’ve got a calcium conservation mechanism that occurs in the dark. So there it is, and it’s independent of light—it’s becoming trained in our body, but white can calibrate it. It’s uh, called a uh, I think a fancy German name—I forget the name now—but basically it’s—well, here’s the principle: if you take 20 grandfather clocks—and this was done in about the 1600s by a clockmaker—and you put them on the wall within 12 hours, they’re all synchronized—they’re all synchronized to the biggest clock—and of course, the biggest clock in our cosmos is the sun up there—and so it tends to be the pacemaker for everything that goes on on planet Earth, whether we like it or not.

You reminded me—last year I went and I saw a um, I bought an old clock at an antique store—one with the swing pendulum—so I thought it was cool, and it it stopped one day. And so I found on Facebook or something a clock repair guy, and he invited me out to his home, and I went out to his shop, and he just seemed like a clock wizard—there were clocks all over this room—and he like fixed it right in front of me, and her like it looked like a million parts in there, and he just was going a mile a minute doing things and tuning it. I was really fascinated.

It is amazing. Back in the day when I was a kid, a lot of people had grandfather clocks. I had some relatives that had one in every room. So at nighttime you go to sleep with all this ping thing—click click click clip—and then dying—going dying—every hour they’d all go off. Never had any problem uh, sleeping, but perhaps that’s because I was in New Jersey, in New York, where people beat their horn at three in the morning.

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That’s funny. I’ve I’ve heard some uh, some weird stories about—someone told me like I think their grandfather or something or older relative gifted them a grandfather clock, and then when they found out that they died, it stopped that same exact time—like same hour that they died—the pendulum stopped swinging—just out of nowhere.

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There’s even a song about that by Johnny Cash—“My Grandfather’s Clock.” Yeah, you can find it on the internet. You know, we have a resonance between machinery and uh, and uh, if you have a car or something else, it’ll often act as a shunt for our bodies. It’s a strange phenomenon; it sounds woo-woo, but it’s very real. So a lot of times when I break something, I said, “Great, it’s uh, it keeps me from getting a broken bone.” Now here’s a synchronous experience—experience—when I was with my mentor Adonai Lay, who was a very unusual guy—one time in a restaurant, I asked what makes uh, an object uh, break uh, to protect you—what’s that what’s that all about—and at the same time the waitress brought us two glasses of ice water, and in front of me my glass went—got a big crack right down the glass. I said, “Oh, I I guess I just saved myself a broken bone or something.” So it’s a very real phenomena—I’ve seen it—and if you break something, you may mourn over that object, but it might be protecting you from a broken bone uh, energy works in very strange ways—Rupert Sheldrake type of ways—and it’s very real.

Wow. Yeah, that’s that’s really interesting. Um, so so tree, bush, root—is the basic idea behind sun sync nutrition, right?—and uh, and there’s specific time to have meats, and you were telling me before the show that eggs are actually neutral, right?—you can have those technically any time. They do their most therapeutic qualities for your body uh, for—see—circulation—sex meridian is seven to nine at night. And obviously, if you take a fish with an egg—and there are fish that are low in DNA—DHA—you take it at that time, but because it’s a young food—and like a human baby doesn’t get on sun clock until they’re maybe two or three years old—uh, actually they’re not completely on sun clock till six—and it’s been proven—if you’re an iridologist or an iris analysis—and a professional one like they do in Germany—Joseph Deck’s work—you don’t see the markings—the genetic or hereditary markings appear in the eye—in the iris—at six. Before that you look at an eye, it’s quite different. Now the people who say that iridology is not real—and there is a pop iridology that’s made up—but how do you explain that the eye dramatically changes from a child over that first 10 years of life, and then you start to see alien pigments invade and certain markings happen with blood vessels that occur that are reflexes to what’s in our body. And by the way, talking about tree, bush, root—the eyeball is an example—you’ll notice all the brain reflexes are on the top of the eye, the genital reflexes on the bottom of the eye, and the heart is in the center. And in in the way growth works on this earth—trees seek the sun—they seek the sky.

If you plant a seed, it will rotate so that always the plant goes up straight; it doesn't go at a 45-degree angle. This is damaged, or the slippage in the soil. It goes straight up. Meanwhile, the root is conditioned to be geotropic; it heads down for the earth. Also, it'll head for the water, so sometimes it will go slightly off to the side with water. And then in the middle is the vine, and the vine goes in a circle. You'll find that same pattern in iridology and anywhere, because our original shape is a worm, uh, and then all the reflexes come out of it.

If you look at an iris, it's a cross-cut like a salami of a worm. And then her large intestine is a caterpillar; the other is a worm. And everything we do, all our art and literature, is just a spin-off from looking for food so that we can turn into a butterfly. And you'll see the butterfly bones in the skull and in the thyroid and the upper parts of the body. It's really an interesting body geometry. Wow. I remember dissecting earthworms and being just really tripped out about it. Maybe that's why I knew I was like looking at a fractal. [Laughter] Yep. And they're nighttime food, by the way. You see the, uh, the trees have to eat, and they get the first sun that comes over the horizon. It goes to the tree; it doesn't go down to the grains and the grasses.

In fact, Father Kneip in Germany had the water walking technique where you go out barefoot on the grass. And anyone who's done that finds out, wow, that grass is really cold in the morning; no sun is shining down there. It's up in the trees. Now at midday, the breeze is blowing through the trees; the sun's directly shining through onto the grass and grain. That's their time. And then at night time, you've got the leftover infrared radiation, which can penetrate about two or three feet into the ground, and then you get the, I guess, five feet into the ground, maybe six feet, and then you get the infrared energy to, uh, to store minerals and nutrients in the earth. So basically, it's set up like that.

If you notice the geometry that a tree tends to seek the morning, and a very tall tree will stop photosynthesizing at high noon. So in solar nutrition, you basically can eat any of the tree foods from 12:30 in the morning till noon. That's a big space, a larger space. Our brain when we're born is bigger than the rest of our body; then we kind of fill in the body to carry the brain around wherever it wants to go. And then the midday is from 11:30 to 7 o'clock, and that's when you eat all your muscle food. That mainly, you'll see most of your muscle food is at that time. And then at night time you get your genital food, your liver food, your food like that, which grows underground and gets the residue of what's left after the light day is over. And when you really look at it, it's common sense, as well as, uh, as well as chronobiology and circadian rhythms.

Yeah, I really feel it. And, um, do you absorb more of the nutrients when you eat specific foods on time? Right, like they're unlocked easier? Yeah. The Japanese actually found a very strange phenomenon that if you cut a food or pick it one growth period before the time you eat it, the minerals are trapped in the food and not out of the food, because they tend to be being used when you eat it on time. So if I'm going to eat a midday food, like, uh, like a tomato, I would take it at noon, and then I would eat it at nighttime. Excuse me, I would pick it. If I was going to eat a mid-time food, I would pick it in the morning and then eat it at midday. If I was going to do a beet, I'd take it at midday and eat it at night. If I was going to pick an apple, I'd pick it late at night and then eat it in the morning. I deal it. You know, it's impractical to follow all of these kind of rules, but if a person is sick, it's more important for them to follow those rules and be more exact about it.

I'm probably about 90 percent solar, uh, every once in a while put a little of this in or a little of that. And of course, with solar, you get a whole, a whole week of lunar time, so you can let the steam off the tea kettle and kind of do what you want, especially if you need it to. Otherwise, you become the boy in the bubble; you need the immunity factor. Now at so-called lunar time for an entire week during the time of the full moon, when the actual pressure of the moon allows things to go through your body more readily, we don't usually do that; we just get a little looser in our diet. And if you read the book, there's a whole push-through section three days before, and then there's a full moon in three days after. You'll find that exact phraseology in the ancient Chinese book, the I Ching, by the way, the so-called lizard book, where it goes into that very meaning, but nobody really seems to know what it means, but that's one of its meanings. Wow.

Yeah, that was one of the fascinating parts on the Extreme Health radio interviews, that that you can break the rules. I love that. And I didn't, I didn't catch that it was during the full moon. I think we're approaching one in the next few days, right? Yeah, I think we're at full moon now. I haven't really kept track. It's awfully bright out there when I go out to my car at night. Yeah, yeah. The, uh, long time for a whole week. Yeah, you can do it basically a whole week. So as Donald A. explained, you get the 28 days of what he called the sperm connection and, uh, in seven days of the ovum. We're made out of a sperm and an ovum. If you look at the geometry, the head is round, just like an ovum, and the medulla oblongata is exactly where the sperm clipped in and made the woman pregnant and had a baby. I have a baby; the tail drops off; it regrows from the energy that the sperm delivered. And now if you look at Kundalini, it's just the wagon of the sperm sail. So it gets humorous when you look at the geometry where a big ovum, the brain is actually an ovum, and the rest of the body is the sperm with ambulators, two arms and two legs instead of the tail. But we still have a tail at the tailbone, the coccyx.

Yeah, it's funny. The other day, uh, someone on one of my posts was asking about, I think, how to help sperm health, and I said, uh, don't do no fap, and that always causes a stir. And I pointed them to your sex newsletter. Um, you know, when people ask me about sperm or prostate health, I'm like, don't fall for the fat, the montage of fads, right? [Laughter] It causes people problems, you know. And a lot of Dallas didn't, it didn't say that, uh, the, there's two types of Jing: one is muscle strength and one is that, that, uh, oh, in yoga they have a name for it too. And, uh, it really, there's really a male-oriented thing there, like only men can do this and women can't do that. They can now. Some Dallas actually say the woman has to stop that too, but it's well known that some women can have multiple orgasms where it's much more difficult for a guy, unless, as Timothy Cleary Leary claimed, under LSD a man could have several, several dozens of orgasms. But I'll tell you in my last day, the LSD days, that never worked for me. [Laughter] That's funny. I think it was because I wanted pretty hard to get turned on with that happening. [Laughter]

Um, I, I want to circle back to, uh, to oranges and citrus, Adam, because, um, a controversial thing. I didn't even know is going to be controversial when I started telling people what you said about eating citrus alone, kind of like, like melons, right? Like they say, I felt the difference, because for the last year or two, maybe, I've been doing orange juice with food at the same exact time. Have a cup of orange juice and my digestion seemed like it wasn't strong, like it was just, I needed support or apple cider vinegar or something. And ever since seeing you, uh, talk about how, you know, have citrus alone by itself on an empty stomach, so much better, like I don't get bloated now if I have my orange juice like before I eat. Yeah, it, it works like that. And by the way, Susie Vibrangal here, one of her main interests in this type of eating is, no matter what she did, and she has eaten extra healthy, I mean, uh, she's amazing at the farmers market, knows just how the people, people see that she knows what they're doing, ask her questions about it. So she's been at that health for a long time, but she kept getting bloated when she switched the timing. No more bloat went away, and that impresses a lot of people because bloat, often the so-called beer belly, is nothing but bloat. Solid fat is not as solid as people think.

If the great experiment were a guy, Ben Hellman, he took a tree and he planted a seed for a willow tree. Well, it weighed 154 pounds after so many years, but only a few grams of soil was gone. Where did it come from? He assumed it all came from the water, but actually it came mostly from carbon dioxide, which a tree, as hard as it is, is nothing but carbon dioxide and water. If it was the trace elements that were making it physical and hard like that, then it would dig a hole in the forest; every forest would, as it ate the soil, you'd go down, you'd have to, you have to climb down to go to every forest in the world, and of course that doesn't happen. So say a fat person loses weight; what's happening? 84 is breathed out as carbon dioxide, and 16 is lost in water, some of it in your breath and some of it in your pain and your pieces. That's all it was, and all the time, and people make a big complicated thing about it. But many people who eat on time find that they can triple their calories, actually triple their calories, and lose weight. And that's one thing that Ray Peat group doesn't seem to gather because they're counting calories, like why would they, why would they drink, uh, cream over, uh, over low-fat milk and gain weight? Uh, I used to try to gain weight by drinking two quarts of half-and-half a day; never put a pound on me. In fact, you can actually lose. If you think of the common sense of calories, who would think they could gain weight by calories if they said, well, look at all the calories in an olive oil bottle; I'll drink two quarts of olive oil a day, and I'll gain all this weight. Yeah, right. You'll be on the toilet all day is what you'll be. Those calories get, uh, sabotaged in many ways. If we were a steam engine, calories would work, but the human body is not a steam engine. So you can actually triple your calories and lose weight because it's a measurement of burning; all you have to do is burn a little hotter, which is one of the purposes of Ray Peat's diet, right, to get your, you to metabolize faster and have less lactic acid. Well, earlier in one of his early shows, he went from Russia, uh, to, uh, where they were fat, and then he drank all that dairy in, uh, where was it, Denmark, I think, and they weren't. So it kind of, there's some contradiction in some of the things, and I'd like to hear his side of it, of course, before I go, misunderstanding what he's saying. Wow.

Yeah, you made me think of a few things. So I, I came down with, I think I got shedded on with the C thing because I didn't, I don't know, I, it wasn't like any flu I ever had, and I was just, I was out for three days, you know, no big deal. I was just really fatigued; felt like my muscle at a full body muscle soreness feeling. And, um, what's interesting is I was like belching a lot, like I had a lot of gas, and that whole time I was like thinking of Adam; I was like, wow, this is like I have like excess, like gas in my body, like this pressure. And, uh, like it's interesting, like I think orange juice helped me, like, get some of that gas out; that was my intuition after I drank a ton of orange juice. So yeah, there's definitely a connection with the gas, gas pressure. Yeah, it will, you know, in orange and lemons and the citrus family are very acidic, and but a lot of people don't realize that when it, when it goes in your body, it leaves an alkali ash. And of course, it's very alkaline, but most fruits do that in your intestines. Orange has such volatile acids, it starts doing it in the stomach. Now, common sense: stomach acid dissolves or is the first preparation in dissolving protein. So you're going to mess up your protein; you could probably get away with, uh, eating some sugar, uh, maybe fat, but if you're eating any protein in your food, then it's going to sabotage it. And it's well known that proteins fragments that get into the small intestine, I think they're called Kenneth's—been a long time since I've thought about this—and they get into the bloodstream; they can't be processed by the pancreas and the spleen, and so they come back and irritate and block the blocking in a vicious circle. So that's one of the problems with oranges. Now, a lot of people, I drink milk and orange all the time; never had a problem. Good, but you'll find that you do a lot better and don't have that bloat, and you're more apt to go to the bathroom three times a day. A person that eats solar over a period of time will find they're going to the bathroom more. I can actually go; now I'm conditioned; I can touch an orange and run to the bathroom. Vibrant Gal will be my witness; I just have to touch it. And when, if she's in the bathroom, I say I can't eat my orange yet because as soon as I even look at it or smell it, I'll be running into the bathroom. And since we have one bathroom in this place, we want to make sure that we have separate bathroom visits. That's funny.

Oh, I want to, I want to get back to the solar nutrition where both, uh, mount the horse and ride off in all directions kind of people. But, uh, I have one question for you. So on the topic of weight loss, um, yesterday I wrote a little post on, on my sauna for weight loss, because I've been getting into the wood-burning, uh, barrel sauna I have; I'm like, I have this thing sitting here; I'm not using it enough. So I've started to sweat in it for like an hour a day, which is really nice in the snow; feels really, really good. But do you think, uh, saunas actually work for, for weight loss? Is it because of that carbon dioxide component? Yeah, I think they're beneficial if you don't overdo it in them. And a lot of times, if you expose yourself some to some coal to close the pores afterwards; in other words, you could just run out the door and stay out there for 30 seconds, a minute, whatever. You don't have to do a Wim Hof type of thing because long time when you get cold, that's called that bone chill cold; it's not beneficial for you. But if you get that cold, like I can take a cold shower at the end of my shower, and then be overheated for about 20 minutes or 30 minutes. In fact, I used that principle in the 80s when I was up in Flagstaff; I took an ice-cold shower after the hot shower, then I got my speedo bathing suit and lay out in the middle of a snowstorm. People were coming for this workshop, and here's a guy sunbathing in a speedo in the middle of a blizzard, and I was fine with it because my body was energized. I would also punch a punching bag to warm me up because I found out by moving the organs like that it heats you up quite well. So for about three months, I walked around with nothing but those tank tops on in the winter, both in Houston and, uh, in New Mexico, California; never had a problem with it. But it gets tricky, uh, in the Homages; they call that mastering Tumo. Tumo pretty much what Wim Hof pop has done, but but you have to be careful; a lot of people, Jack LaLanne, when he would go into his ice baths to prepare for those swims towing tugboats and his teeth and all that, his wife was worried because he almost died several times in that ice water. So a lot of people can go into shock; Ray Peat calls it correctly thermal shock because there is no cold; it's degrees of heat, whether you're at zero degrees centigrade or positive; it's still thermal shock when you get too much of either one. Long story short. Wow. Saunas are good; you, you close your eyes a minute or two after that, and if you don't stay in too long, like even in a hot tub, I have a friend that his girlfriend died in a hot tub. Yeah, you know, hypothermia; he wanted to get, get him some drinks; she was dead when he got out of the hot tub again. You think that's not a trauma? Yeah. Wow. Do you think drinking certain things in the hot tub or like smoking a cigar and having like bourbon or something would help protect? Good question. Yeah, if you pass out, you just wake up usually, unless you're in Sedona and you remember that, uh, incident that occurred there where three people died from the, uh, sweat lodge, the huge white lodge they had there. So heat's a tricky thing; people do die from it, and you have to just be careful, so you monitor yourself so you don't get over, overheated. There's no problem, and it is therapeutic to sweat; obviously sweating is good for us. Yeah. So one of my friends sent me, uh, this lady's, you know, because there's always people on social media contradicting and saying this is wrong, you know, this is right, whatever. And she was saying we don't sweat out heavy metals, and I thought it was fascinating; kind of set me on a rabbit hole to try to find proof that we, if we do sweat heavy metals out of our skin, but she was saying we absolutely don't. She's like, I have a degree in this; you can't sweat heavy metals out of your body. It's interesting; some come out, but a lot, a lot come out in the bile, uh, some of the fat; it, uh, brings them into the vial, takes them out; some come out in the urine, but we do get some of them out in the sweat, but it's not as complete a process as people think, but we, we do. It is good for you too because even if they don't come out in the sweat, it tends to activate the organs to make it happen elsewhere. See, our adrenal glands, particularly our adrenal medulla, are located in the skin; so they don't tell you that. And on the only way, only place I've ever found that is in General Electric research in the 20s; they had worked it out to perfection; they knew exactly which cells were; it was a hyperdermal level, and they had discovered a fourth nervous system: sympathetic, parasympathetic, and turic, which is the gut system, and then the hypodermal system, which, uh, which they discovered; it got lost. Medical amnesia was briefly rediscovered in 1951, but nobody knew what to do with it, and they just partially rediscovered it, so they dropped it again. So you will be told by your doctor that your adrenal medulla is in the middle; it's only located right here, actually; there's tissue throughout the amendment and even into the lungs, but every cell in your hypodermal area that contains phenylalanine or tyrosine is an adrenal cell from the adrenal medulla and can process adrenaline. Another reason why midday is a good time to be out, whether you're in Idaho or or California; you, you can absorb nutrients from the sun. When people say, oh, I can't get vitamin D, and I can't get this in my level, level, I tell them, can you, there's no solar power in your area; where do you think the solar power comes from? Where, where, uh, my, our friend Guru Gandacenti is in, uh, Wisconsin; it's a big state for solar power. When I used to teach classes that there was a maze, you got solar power up here. Yeah, they told the, they wanted to put in a nuclear plant, and they voted it out. We said we don't

Care, and so now the power companies sell the units for people's individual homes. I stayed in a lot of solar homes when I was out there, and we're talking 27 degrees below zero during some of those winters and a lot of cloudy days. How are they operating solar? Because you can get sunshine. How does a polar bear get vitamin D? Think about it. Oh well, they eat a seal that has it. How did the seal get it? Oh, they ate a fish. How did the fish get it? Oh, they ate a uh, a krill. How did the krill get it? They ate phytoplankton. Well, Wikipedia says that phytoplankton only gets its vitamin D from the sun. How does it do that up there in the north, in the Arctic Circle, or the uh, or or the Antarctic Circle? How does it do that? Nobody asks those questions. Wow, that's a really interesting point. I've never thought about it like that.

Yeah, I have two solar panel arrays on pull mounts out here, and during a full moon I'll actually charge up my batteries. I mean, it's not as much as a summer's day, but I do all night get a charge if there's a full moon hitting the panels. You can't get some. Yeah, in fact, they have some specifically tuned in for a full moon and and even other phases of the moon. Yeah, that's great that you get that. Um, so so a solar nutrition uh, as I said at the start, like my favorite thing about your website, Sun Sync Nutrition, I'm just obsessed with uh, the very bottom of each page because you have basically three pages with the food list. You have growth zone one, two, and three, and it makes it really easy because Adam lists out all the different foods to eat at the different times, but at the bottom of each page there's these elixirs, and maybe it's my former liquidarian self that's really enamored with this, but uh, the morning one, I think in a lot of our shows you mentioned the volume and tonic, but people might have never heard of the there's one for high blood sugar, which is uh, salt in your coffee, and then low blood sugar is sugar in the coffee, right? That was originally how I was taught by a Donald A how to handle that. Then he came up with the volume and tonic and has a lot a lot of advantages. We've been doing it for a long time. I think I I think I started I actually didn't drink coffee until 1985 when he started recommending uh, the the coffee once a week on Mondays and Fridays. We asked him why Mondays and Fridays. Thursday, excuse me, on Mondays because ten times more heart attacks happen to people on Monday than any other day of the week because you have to shift from being off on a Sunday and then I gotta go back to work to accelerate again. Momentum is a constant a constant level, but acceleration when you go, that's why it's hard to either wake up or hard to go to sleep. Once you get in that momentum, there's no problem with traveling, but anyway uh, the uh the uh waking up like that uh helps with the cobalamin tonic in the morning because your brain is the upper part of your body that resonates with the trees. Look at the geometry from the ribcage on up. You have basically brain and lung oriented time. In the midday, it's all gut, it's suggestion, and at nighttime it's all genitals and roots. What are all the Chinese aphrodisiacs? Roots. They call them roots. It's slang for certain organs that we have. You'll find a lot of slang like that, and all of their aphrodisiacs, whether it be ginseng or or all of the roots tend to be uh maca, all tend to be uh sexual, and that's the second time of day in yoga. They say don't eat onions and garlic because it makes you it stirs up your sexuality. Well, you want to do that at night. The brains for meditating in the morning, and then party time is at night. Now you ever see the the terminology ectomorph, mesomorph, and endomorph? It's based on the levels of our cells downward, but it's always upward. The ectomorph is often called the thyroid type, and they're activated in the morning. If you want to be a brain, you eat your morning foods. If you want to be a muscle man, you eat your mid-day foods, and if you want to be a fat man, eat your nighttime foods, like you want to bulk up. Let's put it more polite.

Wow, you know it's funny out of me bringing up a ginseng because on each page I've noticed you have like a wild card where I open up one of the drinks and I'm like whoa, this is a weird one. Every every page and one of them for the morning tonic is uh ginseng soaked in water, but not eaten uh, and lepidolite. Is that a crystal soaked in the water? It's actually a stone. I don't have any anymore, but I used to use it all the time when I would travel with the dono at uh usually before dawn. We would drink out of this bottle that he just kept pouring water in it and that the ginseng and the lepidolite would soak in there. Basically, it's a lithium element. Lithium in large amounts is toxic, but in almost homeopathic amounts is very beneficial. The largest lithium study ever done was in Texas, where ever there was lithium water, like the real grand is famous for having extra lithium water, the suicides were down, the heroin addiction was down, alcoholism was down, murders were down, all kinds of addictions were down. Huge study done, and so it just takes a small amount of lithium, not the amounts that give you this balloon face after years where you get really sick from lithium poisoning, particularly if you avoid salt, you're much more apt to get it, but anyway, small amounts of lithium really beneficial for you.

Wow, so before we move on from breakfast um, you know that what do you eat? I get that all all day long. I'm sure you get that quite a bit because people are like all this information and you know what are you eating? I just need to know, you know, and and and you'll post sometimes pictures of your breakfast I noticed and uh, it's basically like nuts and avocado and some fruit is what you guys generally eat, right? We eat a lot less because we're pretty much a mouse uh power mousers now, you know, we just sit in front of our computers and don't get much exercise, so you can eat more. So we eat like a small breakfast. I I will have personally uh 15 soaked almonds, uh one cashew, three pistachios, uh a walnut or half a walnut sometimes, and uh when other nuts are in season or don't have mold we'll eat like pine nuts and Brazil nuts and pecans and one usually we keep it low. Then I have half an avocado every day. It's not an approved repeat fruit, but it's rich in monounsaturated fatty acids and has less of the other polyunsaturated fatty acids than olive oil does, so I find nothing wrong with eating half an avocado, which I've been doing for years whenever I live in California, not in Texas uh here they're all over the place. Then uh today we have sapote, that is an approved great peak food, and we get them from a grower here in Carpinteria Ojai that grows sapote. It's a delicious fruit uh in season we get cherimoyas and those things. So let's see, then I just had that and this time I just had coffee and sugar this morning because we didn't have the maple syrup and and cacao in the house. What else did I I think I think that was about it. Yeah, that I can think about. Yeah, that was it. Oh, and uh three olives, four almonds.

Wow, well I wish I could share some of my coffee with you. I've a lot here yesterday. I roasted a lot of beans since we had sun all right. Yeah, vibrant roast star stuff in a in a popcorn popper, and uh we buy it in big bags on the internet and then she makes it for us. We distilled water and everything. I that's really cool. Yeah, I might be overkill because I have one that it's a machine that hooks up to an app and then it you know will slowly raise in temperature and then keep it there for a certain point, so it's like very mathematically precise. Cool. Grey peat is in a coffee. Africanado, I think he said when he makes it he doesn't put the boiling coffee in it first because it gets the flavor out and then you put the boiling water in after to finish the rest of the grounds. We we don't really mess with that. We just throw it in and uh are okay. Yeah, he's quite an aficionado, and there's a whole science to coffee like the BS about it being acidic that that is a terminology a coffee a jargon word for having bite or tartness or pop they call it, you know, in other words, it has flavor to it. Has nothing to do with acid alkalinity, and ironically caffeine is an alkaloid, but capac acid is in it for acidity. However, there's more in an apple than there is in coffee. Coffee though is one of the weirdest foods. It leaves no trace of acid alkalinity when it leaves you except maybe in the bladder. If it's a totally neutral food, most foods don't do that. They leave a slight acid residue or a slight alkaline residue, not in the blood but in the tissue, which is something scientists don't measure. They get hung up on the blood. The blood is too highly buffered. Obviously, you're not going to get much of a change there without dying from one end or the other, but the cells, it's like agriculture. What farmer would go plant something and who was going to make a living out of it and not tech detect how acidic or alkaline the soil was? He doesn't test the water in the soil; he tests the soil, and doctors want to test your uh your urine, which is a liquid, your saliva, which is a liquid. What about the meat? What's it what about the fat? What about the protein? They missed the whole point of that.

Yeah, my friend told me um that when she drinks coffee right before bed she sleeps better, and she stopped doing that for whatever reason, so she's going to start again, and that's so contrary to what you hear, you know, because say oh caffeine's going to keep you up, but a lot of people could drink it and go right to sleep and actually sleep really well, right? You know, the only way I can stay awake if I drink maybe four cups of coffee or something like that, but I I always do that. In fact, coffee is one of the things I kind of break the rule and have it all day. Technically, in solar you want to have a a tree coffee in the morning, a bush coffee in midday, and the only real bush coffee is in Yemen. It's a Yemenis coffee uh they they call it uh valley. I forgot the name of it, but under its false name it's sold in other places under this other name, and it's not really real. Yemenis coffee is hard to get, and it's a stunted desert bush because it's hot in Yemen, and so that's midday. Then at nighttime you have your coffee with a little salt, and you have uh what is that thing they use in New Orleans and seaport coffee and those other coffees? Chicory. Chicory. You have chicory with it, and then you can drink it three times a day for energy, so coffee is kind of an exception to the rule, and uh we I take the bulk of it in the morning, but if I need a little jolt to get through the afternoon or or have to write a blog or a book or something like that, then I jack myself up with a little coffee. That's great. Um, and so so midday um we're on to bush foods, right? Bush and grass. The whole grass and flower thing happened after the forest canopy uh where you got all this the African bells and the plains where the buffalo roam and they their midday foods because they eat that type of food. The grass family is really interesting. It includes wheat and rye and all of those, not to mention your uh your other type of barley greens and all that wheat grass, all those kind of things, and then all your vegetables that are about that area like tomatoes and uh broccoli and whatever watercress, you know, that watercress a rocket and arugula, all of those at that time of day, they're all the grass in the uh the lettuce type family, and tomatoes were at one time the most they insisted on being small intestine time from one to three. They would stop producing at that time, but they have been aware of circadian rhythm since the 30s. Most of the tomatoes you get now are slightly moderated so they can pick them at different times of the day too, but the tomato still is much more beneficial for you at small intestine time when taken from one to three in the afternoon. That's called small intestine time. It will actually clean your intestines.

Wow, particularly when you eat it with a little corn oil that you can get, and good luck getting an organic corn oil these days. Yeah, that that's the wild card uh that I mentioned with your uh your healing combinations here. Your midday elixir is it the forget which one it is that has the corn um but yeah, that shocked. Oh yeah, the midday liver detox tonic. The first time I did that uh the the day I did kind of a fast with it and I went to the bathroom and I had to run out of the bathroom and hold my nose and then I went in went to the bathroom again and again and again and again, seven times, each time having to run out, hold my nose, and keep flushing the toilet. Whatever that was in me, I'm glad it's out. Yeah, it's an amazing amazing cleanse, and it's surprising how much junk we can pack in the colon. When I was a colon therapist, my buddy the Leather Tiger, he was a real tough guy, a marine ex-marine, he said I just uh fasted for three days and I took all kinds of enemas and cathartics. You're not going to get anything out of me. I said oh yeah, I kept them on the colonic machine for an hour and a half. Normally you do a you do a half hour colonic. Stuff came out of them, even these uh when when parasites make their little uh ground ball cotton ball things that they live in, all of those came out as well, so he was rather shocked.

Wow, yeah, I'd love to get my my dad on one of those. I feel like it's that's a great, you know, if you only did one thing, just like it to kickstart the process, just a colonic. I mean, it's been several years since I did one, but yep. And of course, colon time is uh from five to seven in the morning. We actually are designed, and this is even in the University of California at San Diego, said they knew that the colon turned on between four and six in the morning, and actually it turns on at five. If you turn on earlier, you're slow in metabolism. If you turn on later, you're fast, so you can actually do it. They didn't know that part, but they wonder dolly it actually turns on. It's most active. People think they will get peristalsis at any time of the day. That's not how it works. Your first peristalsis is in the morning, ideally at seven o'clock straight on, and peristalsis means the whole wave goes through your entire colon and sometimes even your small intestine. Otherwise, throughout the day you get what you call hostile shuttling back and forth back and forth or propulsion postural propulsion. A little goes, a little bit goes, a little bit goes, but on a peristaltic wave, if you do it right, you can empty your entire colon. You get that opportunity interesting enough three times a day. There's that three again, the three growth periods, so in the morning, in the midday, and in the evening around kidney time, you get your third opportunity to have a really good bowel movement, and if you have them later, there's no problem.

Yeah, it's funny uh I was listening to a carnivore guy um and he was saying uh having less bowel movements is a sign that you're absorbing more of your food, you know, like just like one a day or less, and that's such a funny theory, right? [Laughter] You know, I it's funny it's like there's less waste. It might have been on your site that I just answered that this morning, and a lot of people don't know that your typical bowel movement in in Western countries, first world countries including the US, is 40% mucus and 40% uh bacteria, actual bacteria. That's how much your microbiome grows each day, and then only about there's some water and then maybe about three or four percent roughage compared to like 12% roughage in Africa or some more primitive place where people live off the land, but anyway uh many people who fast are surprised they're still having regular bowel movements because of that, so I I answered that I think the person said the point is, and I said no, the point is is the other way around. Yeah, I passed it for 15 days back when I didn't know any better, and I was going to the bathroom. Where did it come from? It's mucus and and bacteria.

Wow, yeah, because I came from the world of people talking about mucoid plaque, right? And uh how that's you know it's like there's a worm associated with that or something, a parasite, but there's crazy pictures you can find on Facebook groups. [Laughter] You know, it really when I became a colonic therapist I was interested in in uh finding out about that uh it really doesn't exist like they say it does. You can have a really polluted colon, and what what it does when you have constipation is it tangles it. I used to take x-rays of colons, and you know the museum colon goes up there's a there's a bow shaped and then it comes down and then there's like a little pipe drain at the end uh that doesn't exist. I found one person. Now I give colonics to younger people, and you saw all of this stuff you see and death begins in the colon, you know, all that kind of stuff. I was shocked. My own colon when I was in my 40s, my transverse colon was dropped below my belly button. It wasn't up here where it's supposed to be. I'd had a fall off a porch one time that nearly killed me where I couldn't breathe because I landed on my back, cut my breath off, and I think I damaged it and set it loose. As a colonic therapist, I used to palpate the areas. One guy would have an injury, his uh his transverse colon felt like a metal pipe. You could make a dong dong dong when you hit it. Just amazing. So uh anyway, it's the damage is how it gets distorted in people and uh so mucoid plaque. What I did is I pretended I was a college student doing a thesis and I called hospitals up and asked them does all this come out and stuff, and a lot of junk does come out in hospitals, but then when I called morticians up and asked them about that the residue they laughed at me, so it's not really there, but but we do retain over retain things, and just because you're going to the bathroom doesn't mean it's all coming out. It's like when a water comes down a river back how much stays on the side of the river and doesn't go down the stream if there's no rocks and there's just mud on the side. So uh there it can be a collection of junk, and it interferes with the colon. It's not just a pipe; it reabsorbs your minerals to protect you, some of them with 99% efficiency, and also your water so that you don't dehydrate uh from uh vomiting or from having diarrhea.

Wow, yeah, the the last few weeks I've been getting back into uh parasite studies, so that's just fascinating to me. Like I just gave my my goats ivermectin today, you know, the paste in their mouth, and um I feel like not having enough bowel movements and incomplete digestion, I I think most people have parasites. That's my current perspective um just looking at how unhealthy, you know, people are either constipated or having some type of digestive issue from what I'm seeing. They often do. I'll tell you a funny story again with uh my main mentor at Donald Lay. One time a friend of mine had all kinds of problems, and I wasn't getting to the bottom of it, so finally she calls me and said they tell me I have Crohn's disease. How the heck do I have Crohn's disease? And uh I called Donald Lay up and asked what should she do with Crohn's disease. He said she doesn't have it; she has uh she has pinworms. I said really? So she went to the doctor and uh

For that, but in the meantime, I looked up Penn Warrens, and it says they go to your heart. And so I called the donor up again and said, "What about them going to your heart?" They're not interested in her heart. Long story short, she had pinworms; they gave her an antibiotic, and she was fine after that. So yeah, we tend to get a lot of parasites. Uh, there can be a viral form; they can be in bacterial form; uh, they can be in fungal form. And we indeed have a microbiome, a viral, and I forget what you call the name of the fungone, but basically the fungus, uh, a lot of fungus are our friends, you know. There are yeasts that help us out and fight the bad funguses, and the same with bacteria and viruses. The the good, the good thing is to have our uh colon so that the uh the microbiome is in our favor, not working against us.

Having a bowel movement in large intestine time from five to seven in the morning is a good time to do that, by the way. Cling out and get ready for the day, ideally before you eat breakfast. But solar nutrition, uh, sun sink eating is designed to—if you don't have your bowel movement at seven, as soon as you eat, you're gonna have it. If it's not from the food you eat, which is enough to do it, then the coffee for sure is gonna make you have a bowel movement, and then you're close enough to being on time at stomach time from seven to nine, the ideal time to eat breakfast. Yeah, that was that was another thing that fascinated me the last couple months of really diving into solar nutrition is the ideal breakfast time.

See, I I think you said in an interview that usually if people have digestive issues, it's because they're not or with breakfast, it's because they're not eating it on time between that seven to nine window. Yeah, it it's an important time because the uh if the if the stomach doesn't have something to eat, it starts eating itself. Despite all that hype about H. pylori, which is untrue, your stomach will tend to eat itself under certain circumstances. And if you wake up with stress in the morning, then you better put something in your mouth, but you but you should put something gentle in your mouth because uh under stress your gallbladder will back up into the into the into the stomach and sabotage your digestion. So a lot of times if I get bad news just before I eat, I turn on George Carlin or Jim Carrey or something and get a good laugh and get it out of my system, then I eat something because those settings were done extensively; it took just mild annoyance to backflush gallbladder uh fluid into your stomach.

Now, Ray Peat says his professor actually measured people's uh breath in the morning and before that their fecal contents and found fecal matter breaths in the breasts. So, so people don't realize it's a two-way street; it's not it's supposed to be designed for a one-way street, but when you lie down flat too, a lot of times it can go back and forth. And a traumatized person, it will backflush; it's called retropropulsion. Wow. Yeah, so don't don't don't go on uh Facebook and argue with people right before you right right. Well, you know, I'm cautious about doing that because at one time I saw a cartoon, and I realized it was me: someone's wife is saying, "Come to bed," "No, no, somebody is wrong on Facebook." [Laughter] So I I pretty much got over that syndrome. Yeah, that's funny. I I've I think I have pretty thick skin since I worked at juvenile hall for four years; I just heard it all. You know, kids would say whatever to me, and so I built that up over the years, so nothing nothing much bothers me anymore.

No, it helps. And you know there is uh if a person takes salmon oil or something and gets cured, I get no problem with it. I think it's mostly placebo, but sometimes an omega-3 oil can be used for transplant victims, and if you have extreme inflammation for an emergency, a one-time deal where fish oil and DHA EPA ALA comes in to be a problem is if you exceed six weeks because at that point you're you generate an adrenal response to it; the body regards it as being attacked. That's where the trouble spot it starts. So many people, they take the fissure off; I don't have any problem. Then later on, a year later or so, when their adrenal kickback starts happening, then they never equate it with that; they equate it with whatever I'd ate the night before instead of in the weeks before. Yeah, it's funny. I saw a post, uh, someone was talking about Charles Poliquin, you know, the Canadian bodybuilder, and I think they said he he's prescribing fish oil like I forget 10, 15, 20 grams a day, and I was thinking, "No," he was like 50 to 70 grams; that's documented; that's what he was recommending, and he died of a heart attack at 57. Like, if that doesn't tell you right there what it does.

Yeah, there's a big difference between fitness and uh longevity, too. Uh, a lot of bodybuilders go do well on a keto diet; they they get performance out of it, but there's actually there's been nobody who's been on keto long enough to tell if they can make it to centenarianism or further, you know, because no one people mistake uh like a lion is keto; no way. It would have to eat 75 percent fat to be keto; it's not keto by eating protein plus they even get a little bit of vegetables in the intestines when they they do it as well. We have cats around here; they're always nibbling on the grass all the time. We once I think he's a vegetarian because he's he eats so much grass; we see him always at the uh the green sprouts come out of the ground; he's he's eating them. That's funny. You know, I ran out of cat food since I moved back to back from Colorado, like my wet cat food, the cans, and I found a brand that doesn't have um salmon oil or herring oil or any poof oil in it, and I'm so excited. I hope I hope I mean they seem to like it, so I'm switching it to that because I think they'll live longer.

Yeah, the funny thing is that if you go to a vet, they'll know what yellow fat disease is, particularly with dealing with cats, and they know it's tuna, but then they'll recommend the food with DHA because they don't realize that DHA is just a code name for omega-3; it's the same thing in tuna or whatever that's killing the cats in the first place. So it's humorous about that that the message—well, they don't want people to get that message or the vets to get that message. And I I bet only one in a million vets knows that. Yeah, I a little off track for for a minute here, but I know you're writing an ebook on copper; I can't wait to to buy that. And um, you know, Morley Robbins I had on the show; he's like a frequent flyer like you; I think I only have you guys on the most consistently, and he believes that copper is the cure for lipofuscin um and then you know you'll hear Ray Peat say vitamin E maybe not cures it but slows its progression. It's interesting these different perspectives. And then um a guy I have his poster here, John Ferber, he was on uh did a lecture on lipofuscin, and I think the only one on YouTube that I found, and he recommended like a pharmaceutical drug to for life. So it's interesting like the antidote. And I think I saw you post on Facebook the other day; there is a cure for it, but it's not healthy or something, right?

Yeah, they have ways of uh first of all, the laser thing, but that's just gonna work on the skin, but they actually have drugs that work on it, but then those drugs are more toxic uh lipoplastic, and the closest thing to it is aging. So very few people are going to take fish oil even for several years and notice anything's happening, but there they it speeds up their aging where they will notice it if they get one of the age-related diseases. Like brown bowel disease is actually code for Crohn's disease; they now know that; they didn't know it; they classified them as two different diseases. The old brown bowel disease now they know is just a subclinical level of Crohn's disease. Well, all of these diseases of aging are Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, muscular sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, mixed dementia, blah blah blah; there's a whole less even even autism. And recently I I just discovered that uh what is the disease called? Basically, you're allergic to the sun, and you break out; it's omega-3s highly involved with lipoplus game life of husking making a uh what do you call it uh a photochemical reaction and getting reactive oxygen species activated. Wow, interesting. It's so funny that we have all these names of diseases, and a lot of them could just be simplified to lipofuscin.

Yeah, I researched them and found microbes can increase in every one of them to sometimes maximum degrees, and lipopuskin. See, they used to think it's just a waste product, so who cares? If if I live in a room and I just clutter it with a bunch of extra furniture and junk land around, don't throw it out; big deal. I can still get to my computer; I can go sideways to the kitchen; no problem. But then they notice that lipopod skin is aggressive; it attacks it attacks other cells and and brings lipoplastic into other cells that kind of set them for a loop. And the aging expert Aubrey de Grey, he has all kinds of drug ideas; he's trying to clear life of husking out of people's bodies. He devotes a great amount of time because in his seven deadly sins of aging, he uh two of them are a lipopulsing inside the cell, life of us can outside the cell insides in the mitochondria, outside in the in in the outside spaces. And he knows though it's not clear in his book that what's called uh glycation or age, what do they call that age-related basically sugar uh eating you up; he knows it's actually fatty acids that do it or certain proteins amyloids and uh and fatty acids. So three of the seven deadly sins of aging are actually involved with fatty lit with with a lipopulse skin and omega-3 fatty acids. So I think anyone interested in aging better consider that or they're going to have a problems down the line. Absolutely.

Um, so I want to ask you, Adam, about the juices. There's the there's two like midday tomato juice drinks, and then the one I've been loving is the cranberry grape juice for uh kidney time, five to seven. I'd imagine that fresh squeezed will give a better effect, but if you get it from the store, like organic, not from concentrate, probably works too, right? That's how we get it, like pineapple juice uh it rather than get pineapple that comes over from Hawaii and goes through all that stuff anyway; we get uh what's the name of the brand like Bollaker brand? I get there; that's the one I get. Yeah, yeah, it's a good one, and I use their tomato juice, and I use their pineapple juice at this point; that's the only two juices we're really drinking other than coffee and something left over from some fruit that we have. But but anyway, the uh in in the morning uh your orange juice is really good; it's clean pancreas time, and uh it's like uh how did Donald explain it? The orange juice when you take it at that time is like the uh the cops coming to clear the wreckage after an accident. And then the uh the second drink, the tomato juice and the molasses or tomato juice and corn oil, which is a bit extreme, so tomato do some molasses is it is a good version or raisins uh is the ambulance showing up on the ship the scene and taking people away. And the final tomato pineapple juice and aloe vera with a little bit of tequila if you'd like is the uh accident being cleared so the traffic can start moving.

So my friend was an engineer; his name is Hugo Conte; I haven't seen him for years, but he used to realize that it was kind of like shaking water off your hand. During the day, you do it once; you don't get all the water, but if you shake it more multiple times, you tend to get the water. He said uh he said that uh trauma and uh toxins work the same way, and that's one of the principles of solar eating and sun think eating is that you get the repetition that actually forms a habit. It's well known that old people tend to desynchronize from the sun; they get uh they can't go to sleep; they get insomnia; they get all these problems. You uh you have a farmer; they're not going to have that; they go out and work in the field, and they sleep like a like all night, and then they wake up at three in the morning. Now, if you go to a doctor and you say you wake up at three in the morning, he's going to say you have BASS; it basically it means you're waking up too soon, and it's a disease. Well, that means every farmer in the world, and I've I've lived on farms where they they wake up at 2:30 in the morning to eat breakfast and then get out there; they're working before the sun ever comes up or it even gets light. Well, every farmer in the world then is diseased, and of course, it's ridiculous. Ideally, a healthy person will actually wake up at three in the morning; they can meditate or do Tai Chi or something like that. Most of us don't because of our schedules, but a healthy person their eyes will just open up three in the morning, and they'll get up and do something. And ten to three there's an ideal sleeping time, and until you figure out how to beat sleep like a Donald Lay did; he didn't need to sleep. Wow. Ten to three. Yeah, I've been all right; there's a little wagon I that that really rings through the ten ten to three thing, 10 PM to 3 AM, because if I'm asleep during that time, my next days every time it's it's always a better day, and if I go to bed at 10:30 or 11 or midnight, it's a totally different day. And I've done this experiment hundreds of times, and it always ends up the same way, so it works better for me. And sometimes I stay up really late, especially when you get to writing something, but my early to bed and when I get up early before the sun comes up, that's my best days actually. So uh and there's something to it. My own mother said every day uh every hour before 12 is worth two hours of sleep. You know, as a kid, man, we better be to bed at eight o'clock, and we had the flashlights, the comics under—she did catch us every time. Yeah, that was strict rules. Yeah, if I stay up too late and my brain hurts the next day, the best cure I've found is um eating food, even if I'm not hungry, because I'll lose my appetite if I'm underslept, just making sure to have sugar coming in, and then I like taking a nap in my hyperbaric chamber, even 20, 30 minutes, and I feel like I slept all night.

Yeah, it can make a difference. Also uh one of those uh gravity machines where you're relying on a pattern and set it up that can wake you up too. It was one of Donald A's tricks again; I learned from him that he could he could be on a traveling a trip where he looked so tired and actually old, walking ten minutes later, come out look like a teenager; a remarkable—he was kind of a shape-shifter anyway. So that's a different whole different story. Yeah, I I need to get back to inverting because I I stopped, and I have some wooden beams here; I could probably hang it up; it's just on springs that that swing. I know it's the extreme way to do it 'cause you're completely upside down. I would do it at a 45-degree angle, and I was such a fanatic at one time, every acupuncture hour, that's every two hours, I would do 20 minutes, and I'd be writing newsletters in between whenever I was awake, obviously; there was some time I wasn't awake, but I would often stay up late, so I might be doing it for 10 to 12 acupuncture hours. Yeah, I did it quite frequently when I was alone, and sometimes if someone visited me and I knew him well, I'd just get on there and talk to him while I was upside down. It reminds me of the movie uh did you ever see Wayne's World where that uh the musician's hanging upside down in his living room like a bat when he walks in? Hey, I've forgotten that. No, by the way, one of the reasons that a gravity machine is good for you, and I used to walk on my hands a lot and do a lot of headstands and uh arm shan elbow sands, the scorpion I think they call it, and things like that, is because if you look at an iris, the arcicidalis which is old age appears on the top; why does it appear on the top, often called the sodium ring incorrectly? And then at the bottom, you'll get another uh deposit. And if you look at it, if you ever make ghee yourself out of butter, it's the same thing; foam on the top, the orca sonos, and then the heavy matter at the bottom, and the the part in between. Well, by going upside down, you can juggle that around in your body, and even the iris theoretically, if you stayed upside down 24 hours a day, your arca sonos could now be on the top of the iris, not on the bottom anymore. So anyway, there's there's advantages for us to be upside down some of the day in either a gravity machine or people that can stand on their heads. Sachin Ananda, after he learned all his yoga, he only did one posture, a headstand for a half hour every morning. Wow. Yeah, one of my friends, Robert Casar, I think for like 10 years he's been saying talking about the mercury thinking how that's it's heavy and so it accumulates in your feet with gravity, and um when you hang upside down, it's kind of like a mercury detox because it moves up your system. Very interesting because on the periodic table of the elements, all the light elements are on the top, and the heavy ones settle to the bottom. Yeah, exactly how it works, and in our bodies, it's the same way; those heavier elements tend to go down, and that's why the the feet get more toxic than the hands because everything goes down there. All the millimeters of mercury can get to 120 millimeters of mercury while up at your thyroid, it's 10, especially if you stand still. Wow. Yeah, that's so fascinating.

I want to ask you about uh apple cider vinegar because back in my raw vegan days, I was slamming it way more than I have the last I don't know five years or so, and I was putting tons on my salad every night, and you actually got me interested in again in it again because I was using it on my raw carrot salad, which I think Ray Peat recommends white vinegar or something, but I've always used apple cider um but I noticed you you integrate that in a lot of your recipes, like you have a coffee and two teaspoons of ACV at heart time, 11 to 1, and uh and even just the honey and apple cider vinegar circulation sex time, 7 to 9. I've been doing that, and my friend Beverly actually asked in the questions like it's making her feel so much better, and she's wondering why, like is there a is there a synergy with the ACV and the honey or or what does ACV do? Uh, you know, there's something to it, and uh the the original uh Vermont folk medicine guy that started that, whatever his name was, he even wrote articles about it in the Reader's Digest back in the 50s; he said it was a potassium. Other people have said other things that the ass said, "No, it does this," whatever whatever it is. I had a profound experience with it back in the day, 1970, I believe it was; I was diagnosed with incurable arthritic gout, and I was supposed to be on a purine-free diet and everything. Well, I didn't like the idea, so I went to a company dinner or lunch right after that and ate all the things that were wrong for me, but then I really straightened out and ate correctly. So uh I went to the doctor; I I I went to the doctor and checked, and uh he accused me of eating purine foods and sent me next door to the hospital to get tested again; I was low in purine, so he was confused; he'd put me on a drug; I stupid enough back then to take.

Their drugs, so I said, "Should I keep taking it then?" And he got annoyed because I was being sarcastic, obviously. He said, "No," and basically he dismissed me as a patient. He was a pretty nice guy, but I annoyed him. Uh, anyway, uh, so here I was, still stuck with incurable arthritis—to get out, you know, hard to lift my arm and all kinds of things. So I go to a public library, and I find the "A.R.E." journal, which is associated with Edgar Cayce. So I read that; it said to take apple cider vinegar with a calcium supplement and get rid of arthritis. And an astrology book, weirdly enough, said those in the decade, the mid-decade which I was in, of Aquarius will have arthritis. I said, "Whoa, that's me." So anyway, I went and did the uh, the apple cider vinegar and the thing uh, and it it it didn't help. Then I read you're supposed to do it uh, right after the meal with apple cider vinegar and honey, and then take it with it, and it's in eight ounces of water, two teaspoons of honey, two spins, two teaspoons of uh, of the apple cider vinegar. And within two days, my incurable arthritic gout was gone completely, and I could move everything. So I stopped taking it after three days; I figured, well, I'm well, but what I did, it said to do it three times a day. I felt funny about doing it in the morning, so I did it at midday with my lunch, midday with dinner—four, doing that four times got rid of the problem completely. Who knows, maybe placebo was involved too, but it was dramatic.

Later, when I met a Donald Way, he said, "Don't take apple cider vinegar in the morning; take it at midday and nighttime." And I thought, "Wow, I did that in 1970, uh, five or six years before I ever met a Donald, when I was in Ready, California." And anyway, I, before that, I was even having three symptoms before that when I could barely move my arm up. Doctors were looking at me and looking at me back in the uh, in the early 60s, too. Then I had a relapse up there, which was diagnosed as incurable arthritic gas. The doctor said, "You'll be on medicine the rest of your life." Well, here I am. What, that was 1960.

That's a long time ago.

Yeah, a long time ago. That's incredible.

Yeah, I know. Patricia Bragg has been really into it.

Interesting.

Yep. We uh, we often use their uh, Patricia Bragg uh, comes to the farmer's market here once in a while. Haven't seen her a long time. And you know, uh, Katy Perry bought the business. What's her husband? They bought the business now.

Yeah, the lady in pink, they call her. And uh, we use uh, we use Bragg's, or basically we buy a good one, because here's a trick: you can use the regular, what's the stuff you buy in the grocery store? Heinz vinegar. But here's something people don't know: if you look at the pint bottle, it's real. If you buy the quart bottle, it's real. If you buy the one in the plastic jug, it's fake. It's nothing but colored uh, regular acetic acid, not apple cider vinegar at all.

Wow. How they get away with that? They're still doing it. I checked recently. They've been doing that for decades. So, so don't buy the large one. Otherwise, Heinz is okay. You don't need the mother and all that fancy stuff, but we prefer to use an organic type of product.

Yeah. Um, one thing that's fascinating with solar nutrition is the the supplements. You know, someone that sells supplements, I feel like this is advanced solar nutrition, because I looked at your list; I'm like, "How am I ever gonna remember all of these?" Um, but you know, as far as like repeat supplements, like you know, niacinamide, vitamin E, thyroid, what would be the times for like those common ones?

Uh, niacinamide does better at bladder time, from three to five, but sometimes if you have an emergency, a snake bite or a bee sting or poison oak exposure, you can take it at other times a day. But each one, you judge the supplement on what its source was. So when people say, "I get my calcium from oyster shells," that works great for the calcium zone three, but not for their brain and other places. Or say you wanted vitamin C. Well, "I'll get it from acerola." Well, acerola is a scam, basically. They use synthetic vitamin C or laboratory-made and put a pinch of acerola in a whole bunch. Well, I get my midday from rosehip—same thing. So mostly it's sourced out of corn, I believe, but then you can get it from sago palm and from tapioca. They're both morning—one tapioca, I mean evening tapioca, obviously is a root, but sago palm, at first I thought, well, that's a tree. Yeah, but no, they take it right at the base of the of the tree, and so it's actually a nighttime. So no one out there at this point is selling a morning vitamin C; it's only a fake one like acerola, which is not acerola. It's either going to be corn, it's going to be tapioca, or it's going to be sago. I think they might have a fourth one now. And the same with rose hips. Now, rose hips are very powerful. My mother, when she lived in Sweden, she just picked the rose hips off the off the uh, the roses. They knew about that back in Charlie—she was, she left Sweden in 1916, so it's been long, it's been uh, it's been known for a long time. But anyway, uh, if if you look at where it comes from, like uh, let's see what other sources do you get calcium from? You can get it from midday, and it's harder to get the morning sources because they're less—minerals are heavy; they go to the bottom. So obviously you're going to get most of your minerals from roots and midday, and the trees tend to have less of them because they're lighter; they don't need heavy metals if they're going to go upward. You don't want to build with heavy construction material; you want to keep that on your foundation. So basically that's how it works. But everything has a uh, a preferred time. When you get into drugs, they synthesize it so much that the timing rules kind of change. You have to look at what the drug targets. If it targets the liver, it might be safer to take it at liver time and have it when the liver is functioning at its maximum uh, and that gets a little bit complicated. But uh, but taking the supplement one time—there was a product, have you ever heard of Cyclone Cider?

I haven't.

No. It it's still on the, you can still find it, but it's not as popular. There was a guy here in Santa Barbara who came and saw me, and he was mad because the owner of the health food store that I managed wouldn't let him do his presentation about his herb combination. So he complained about it, and I said, "Instead of going from health food store to health food store, since your product is solar—" He says, "What's that?" "Everything in it is a nighttime food." He said, "Really?" He said, "Yeah. Why don't you go find a national distributor?" "Well, who?" he said. And I pulled out the first catalog. "How about the Ginseng Company?" Well, he became a millionaire. He never came back to me, but he—if you looked at the back of Yoga Journal, the full back page was Cyclone Cider, because this one company made them sign an exclusive contract: "You just do business with us, no one else, and we'll promote your product." He became a worldwide sensation. Nowadays, a lot of health boosters don't have it, but you can ask them to order it, and I think it was still out there about a year ago when I looked it up, if it's still around. But anyway, it was all root-type foods. So when you look at herb combinations, one of the problems is they mix it all. So suppose you want to take a supplement that's mixed—find out what is the problem that you have. If you have a brain problem, take that mix at the at the morning time, because the other products aren't going to be harmful for you; they're supplements, and they're small amounts. So just take it what you want to target. If it's got ginseng in it and also uh, some kind of a apple product or something like that, you and you want it for your genitals or your liver, you take it at nighttime, so no problem. In fact, doctors used to say uh, they'll say, "Take this three times a day." So uh, a week later you call back, "Doctor, that seems to disagree with me at midday." "Well, then take it up morning and night." "He disagrees with me now in the morning; we'll take it at night." Three times—you get the supplement when you want, each time at least, because even if it's out of time, it's a red—it's eventually going to get to the right place. It's just like you get more bang for your buck if it goes directly there instead; it has to take the side roads to get where it's going. So you will survive by eating foods out of time. If you reversed it totally, you might start having problems right away, but most people—your body will adjust it. However, when you eat on time, you get more energy automatically, because there's less metabolic processes involved in getting you up and at 'em in the morning and doing things.

Yeah, makes sense. [Laughter] I want to ask, does transit time change things of solar timing? Like I had a woman on my show, and we're talking about, you know, repeats—carrot, the raw carrot, and I forget how many hours, but she was saying it's like an insane transit time for carrots, that it stays in your body for like eight hours or something like that.

I think I don't know—six to eight hours. It was a really long time. Um, but to the different foods, you know, how long they take to get through the intestinal tract, does that alter—

You know, most of them will go through in a healthy colon. Ideally, we're designed to eat breakfast and get rid of our breakfast at dinner, eat lunch and get rid of our lunch at breakfast, eat dinner and get rid of our dinner at uh, at lunch. That's how it's designed for two-thirds of the day like that. Uh, you can check that by eating a bunch of beets at one time or even take charcoal and see how fast it's going. That's ideal. You can have variations in that, but ideally, when you eat foods on time, you're virtually guaranteed three bowel movements a day. Well, if you ate the old uh, what was the old—it was an old book by the Diamonds where they claimed it was circadian rhythms, but basically it was a food combining diet that they did. You know, eat your carbohydrates in the morning, proteins—they didn't bother to differentiate with it what—what I learned from Madonna Lay actually had a history of probably coming from Germany with the so-called Nature Boys. Gypsy Boots was a Nature Boy. Uh, Eden uh, Abez was that his name? He was a Nature Boy, the guy who wrote "Nature Boy," I think he wrote, and uh, one of the most famous ones was a friend of uh, Rudolph Valentino. He lived down in Death Valley, and they all came—no, choosing a Palm Springs area—they all came from Germany at the time of Hermann Hesse. They had a movement in Germany where everybody threw off their clothes and grew their hair along, walked off into the woods, had lots of sex and ate lots of nothing but natural foods. When Hitler came to power, he had he had to figure a way to get rid of the Nature Boy movement; that was one of his main logistical problems, by forming basically the Brown Shirts and all of that—we're recruiting the Nature Boys under false pretenses. But the Nature Boy movement came to California, and I personally knew Gypsy Boots. He was a remarkable, remarkable man. You can find some videos on him, uh, but I didn't realize when I knew him that he had studied with the Richters, who had three cafeterias in the L.A. area, one at the top of Laurel Canyon, where they had—they knew about timing of foods; they just had a few things different, making pineapple a midday food, not understanding certain that there are certain exceptions to the rule, and that uh, but basically they knew all about this timing that's been going on for a long time that people realize that the growth period makes a difference—makes you healthier. Uh, the Richters wrote their first book in the 20s, I believe, but they had their cafeteria back in the days uh, in the uh, 1918, 16, somewhere around there. And a big fan of uh, of Gypsy Boots, by the way, was Michael Douglas and Kirk Douglas. They—he would deliver vegetables to them a long time. Look at Kirk Douglas—what, 104, I believe he lived to, and his wife lived 103, right here in Montecito. They lived—

Yeah. I love your pictures on solar timing uh, Adam, then and now, and your picture with Gypsy Boots is great. You guys look really happy. [Laughter]

Well, he was he was an amazing character, man. He uh, he people got mad at him for not acting his age. I mean, he would jump up and down. If I would pull out a camera, "Let me take a picture of you," he said, "Wait a minute," he'd jump up on the on the counter and have some fruit like he was gonna eat the fruit, or he'd stand in front of the store and pound his chest. I have some great photos of him. He's—you pull out a camera, and Dipsy went crazy. Oh, he was a great guy—what energy! But he knew about that nutrition, and I had no clue at the time until I found out about this uh, about the Richters and that he he had actually worked at the Richter's place in Laurel Canyon, as did Eden, the best—the the the the guy who wrote "Nature Boy," there was a boy, you know, that song. He he bought a ranch off that song alone after it was a Harry Belafonte—uh, sang it.

Wow.

Um, so finishing up on on midday, Adam, um, since we talked about parasites for a minute, and we're pretty much in a full moon—only about maybe not by the time this posts, but you have pumpkin seeds on there, and uh, parasite cleansers—not for everyday use, but you say 32 days from full moon to full moon, take pumpkin seeds. Does that actually work pretty well? You want to kill the eggs. [Music]

Now you have to be careful with pumpkin seeds. Uh, it's probably good to start with a with about a full cup, but check your tolerance on them, because there are chemicals that are chilling the parasites that are in the pumpkin seeds too, and uh, you start out with about close to a whole cup of them at midday, and then you go down to a half a cup, and don't miss a day, and have them at the same time. Ideally, you would take walnut holes in the morning, pumpkin seeds in the middle of the day, and tequila at circulation sex time at night. Then you cover all the areas that the parasites are going to be at. But friends of mine took about a whole bunch of pumpkin seeds—I think it was like a pound or something, which is dangerous. They both got heart palpitations because they misunderstood that. So always, when you start eating something like pumpkin seeds, those are particularly powerful seeds, and excellent uh, prostate, by the way—excellent for them. Uh, there's been cures of prostatitis by simply doing—in fact, I witnessed one. A guy comes in to the health food store and wanted uh, prune juice, and he said, "It's for my uh, my prostate hurts, and I'm on drugs for my prostate." And I said, "Well, why don't you take pumpkin seeds?" So he said, "Tell me about it," and he's with his buddy, so they're kind of giving themselves a wink, "Let's hear this guy's wrap." So he said—he joked, "Okay, you convinced me; I'm gonna buy a bag." I get a call an hour later, "Man, how many bags have you got? My pain's completely gone! Those things really work!" So anyway, pumpkin seeds are kind of an amazing—protein in them, and I'm not sure exactly what the ingredients are, but they're well known for favoring a man's prostate.

Wow.

Um, kind of a random question: what about tobacco? Because I've I've triggered some people recently, you know, not fully recommending smoking to everybody, but just highlighting that, you know, finches and sparrows build their nests out of cigarette butts because the nicotine repels mites, and that nicotine is a well-known anti-parasitic, and um, I love smoking cigars, and I generally just naturally do it at night; it just feels like the best time, like I don't know, five to eight or somewhere in there.

I think there's a time for ingesting tobacco that's ideal—midday. Midday is actually the time; it's a it's a growth time, and uh, you know, it's tricky; you have to really be careful of your lungs, but you get much less damage when you take it at midday. It's a midday plant; it does most of its metabolism at that time, and it's basically almost in the grass family. Uh, it provides its own nitrogen. It's been noted that it is medicinal, and uh, you just have to be careful when you're using it and not overdo it, but uh, it definitely is a medicine, even against Alzheimer's disease. It's been recommended for certain uh, things. So midday.

Awesome.

Yeah. Yeah. I always tell people like whole-food vitamin C and vitamin E, because uh, when vitamin E is spent, vitamin C regenerates it, and those two I've seen in the research help help smokers. If smokers just took those supplements, they'd be better off. Even interesting enough, though, it's uh, now I don't know if this research is genuine, but they claim by having one carrot a day at nighttime protects your lungs the next morning, so that the lung cancer is half as prevalent in someone that has one carrot a day. Now, regular beta-carotene that you buy in the store is not the same as the stuff in the carrot, and you uh, Ray P is not a big beta-carotene man, and I think you can get too much of it, but uh, a lot of beta-carotene—he claims that the carrot is used for dietary fiber and doesn't digest well. When William Beaumont proved otherwise back in the 1820s and 30s, that a carrot, raw or cooked, digest at the same speed, but it leaves dietary fiber behind. Definitely the dietary fiber goes into the large intestine that you don't get as much from the cooked carrot, which brings up an interesting question I've dwelled on: what if I cooked a carrot or a food and I really needed calories to gain weight? If I cooked the food for several days, would all the dietary fiber be gone? Would it all turn into breakdown into sugar? Because obviously, if just a half hour of cooking can get rid of that much dietary fiber, what can six hours of cooking do? And if you need the extra calories because you're low on food, could you do that—build a fire and just cook something for a long time if you're out in the wilderness and starving?

So that's a good question to ask Ray P.

That is a good one. That's interesting. Um, yeah, my my uh, solar people, the last time they were here fixing stuff, they they broke my my oven, so the stove top works, but not the oven. So I've been cooking all my stuff on the on top of my wood stove or on my little grill on my deck, so it's been a lot more work, but I keep a fire going all day long anyway, so it's not too big of a deal, but it was a learning curve with potatoes, because everyone said, you know, "Wrap your potatoes in aluminum foil," and uh, I tried it without, and it ruined them. So there's something about wrapping them in aluminum foil that really helps. I don't know what it is.

Well, you—it's basically a steamed potato instead of a baked potato; that's why they taste a lot different, and you get more out of it. But you're gonna you're going to get a certain amount of protein out of a steamed potato, too. In fact, a potato—a lot of people don't realize it's a great—you can get—we get all of the copper we need for a day out of two baked potatoes—all the copper you need. They're extremely rich in in copper—really surprising. They're they're close to oysters, which started me—I didn't realize there was that much copper in the potato. And now, if you eat a french fry, you get about a fraction of that; you don't get enough; you'd have to eat you'd have to eat a room full of french fries to get the copper for a day if you ate french fries. So but it happens to be you will get your maximum amount of—if you're looking for copper—do the uh, the steamed potato, then uh, because in the in the soil—because you will—

Get a little more copper because the dexterization somehow compromises a lot of it. By the way, uh, lentils are a good source of copper, but if you sprout them—which is something Red Pea does approve of—you get double the copper out of a sprouted potato. So it's not just the content that's in it; it's the content that you digest and can handle with your body. Which, by the way, back to timing, that helps it; you get more of that mineral content.

It's kind of like a sniper. Most people do nutrition like throw a hand grenade—and get that one guy in that crowd, a carpet bomb instead. That's the guy with the gun; that's a bad guy. The other guys are okay. Let's just get a sniper up here, pick them off, and then you don't have to lose all the other uh energy that you would get out of something. So I like to think of using a military analogy: that solar is like timing things so that you have a sniper's approach instead of a carpet-bombing approach. That's great; that is a good analogy. Um, and so so I enjoy my steaks. So that's that's a midday food, right? To gorilla steak.

Um, for a while I was doing it at night. Yeah, your your midday uh your muscles, the heart is highly tied into muscles, the heart meridian, and that's the secret of the so-called mesomorph. They tend to have the muscles, and that's midday. All the foods that to build muscles are pretty much in the midday, including tomatoes, which are probably the richest in pre-formed amino acid—acid—of any food in the planet, right there. So you get free-form amino acids. You eat a hamburger, you get the regular protein, you get the free forms from the tomatoes, and you're good to go and go build muscles. You have me really excited this summer.

Oh, go ahead. Sorry. [Laughter] Yeah, look at Bill Pearl. He was a vegetarian since he's 39. He won all those bodybuilding contests. He's still a vegetarian, a strength guy. So so uh some people just do better than me, frankly. When I eat meat, I get a little stronger. I'm not sure if it's psychological or whatever, but I noticed the difference when I went completely vegetarian. Overall, I feel vegetarian; I lost some strength. So could be I'm not a total vegetarian today, or total ovo-lacto-vegetarian—egg, dairy—so and so once in a while I have a hamburger or something as a kind of a spice.

Yeah, I saw you post something uh I think it was a couple of weeks ago that uh if you live in a colder climate, you need your your protein requirements are high—are higher—and that's so interesting. Since moving from Southern California up to Idaho, I have increased my protein intake, and I feel a lot more resilient to the cold, a lot better. It's really interesting. Yeah, on the seasonal approach, a lot of people they go into seasonal timing and they say eat more of your fruits and your vegetables when it's warmer, and eat your grains and your meats during the winter. And the same thing goes with climate: you're going to need a slightly different climate to deal with cold than with heat, especially the type of tropical heat where it doesn't really bother you and you can cool off in the water anytime. Then you really don't need that much protein; in fact, quite a bit less. The studies tend to show, but you you actually lose a lot of protein as a gas through your skin. That surprised a lot of scientists when they measured that you lose it, but that's why athletes, when they run marathons, they do lose indeed a lot of protein that way, through nitrogen gas. Wow.

Yeah, there's a lot of um like influencers or, you know, health educators, whatever, right now saying that um you know, muscle's the best longevity organ or whatever, and I never see them talking about how carbs spare protein—like you don't need as much protein if you have sugar coming in, right? Yep. And that's that was a big thing, you know, back in the day when I was a gym rat. Uh, I I read as many as uh let's see, posted 15 or 16 bodybuilding books per month. I I was a favorite at the uh the newsstand. I would actually go down to Hollywood to get Australian bodybu—bodybuilding books and I'll get the woman's exercising books, all the Weider books, all the Bob Hoffman books, all the whatever, Iron Man, all those books, and go through them. And they definitely knew that you needed that carbs spare protein to keep them from breaking down.

Indeed. William Budd, back in 1848, found out that when people would die of type 1 diabetes—they called it sugar diabetes—and he realized, yeah, but you're breaking the sugar down out of your muscles. So what you do is he gave him as much as 12 ounces of white sugar and four ounces of honey per day. He measured that out in the urine; that was his average, and then they didn't die. It wasn't a cure for diabetes, but as long as they ate all that sugar, they stayed alive for years. Well, without drugs, type 1 diabetes is a very serious thing; you die very quickly, especially if you don't get dialysis on all the things that happen. But here William Budd, back in the day, been totally forgotten that he actually had a had a remedy to keep a person alive for type 1 diabetes. Type 2 is a lot easier; that that isn't even really diabetes, as Ray Peat has pointed out, and is right; it's basically uh poor metabolism is what it is. Great. Kicked on my blue light here just to hit me. [Laughter]

Um, so so nighttime, um, moving on to that, just the last the last gross growth zone here, um, between 6:30 and 1 AM. It's funny, just kicking it off, you have reptiles on the list. So if you're gonna eat turtle or alligator, it's a nighttime food because they tend to eat that, you know. Most people don't. Well, if you're in Louisiana, they definitely eat alligator steaks and uh turtles. My friend Steve Chivers probably eaten alligator; I wouldn't surprise her in Florida. I'm sure he's eating; he's a very brave, adventurous food guy. Yeah, he's my contentious friend; you've probably seen him in Facebook; he likes to debate. [Laughter] Oh boy, oh boy, I tell you, he you know, he was my original reflexology teacher, even before I met Dr. Donald. He he knows a lot of stuff, definitely. But anyway, at night time you get most of your minerals, and there's even a book called *Pro Potatoes, Not Prozac*, because there's something in the potato that sets you up for to break the fast—that's what breakfast is, your fasting. I virtually fast over that time, except I eat sugar and I have a little coffee sometimes when I wake up, because the evidence is there that so many people die in their sleep just simply because they won't take a teaspoon of sugar or a chunk of some kind of little snack that has carbohydrates in, or maybe a little coffee, and then they don't uh have uh what is it called when you stop breathing in the middle of the night?

Yeah, I've been doing salt every night before sleep, and that seems to really help, just having a little bit of—oh, sleep—okay. Yeah, it protects that. I even have a grammar school buddy now; I I think he saw me writing that or may or maybe he did it already; he has a sugar cube by his bed. So every time he gets up to go to the bathroom, he puts it in his mouth. In fact, if I'm under stress and I wake up, I have a jar of sugar next to me, a mayonnaise jar from the old days. So I open the lid, put a little in my palm, lick it, and lick about a third of a teaspoon, maybe half a teaspoon. If I'm feeling stressed, I'll have a couple of teaspoons worth before I ever get vertical, because one time when I was out of high school, I went and saw my my wife's grandmother; she got up and dropped over dead right in front of her eyes. So uh Ray Peat is on to that thing: after you're in an extreme state of rest and then you wake up, especially suddenly, uh you're in danger. So sugar is an answer to that. So again, before I even get vertical, I just put some sugar in my mouth, particularly if I feel stressed. Wow.

Yeah, I'm so fortunate to have goats here because in between meals I just put white sugar in my goat milk and I'll just have glasses in between my meals. Perfect. Yeah, and goat—it's a superior form of dairy, too. Definitely, definitely. I've drank my share of uh goat milk and also uh sheep feta cheese and goat-cutted cheese; you know, they're they're really excellent products. Dr. Donald Lay was not a big fan of belt, but he was of any kind of a goat product—that fed of cheeses and things like that. He said that a scene bread and goat cheese or sheep cheese was really good for building muscle, midday food again, because uh when I went through the bodybuilding phase and uh following his advice—cold liquids and doing things like that—my proudest moment when when one of the guys in the gym came up to me and whispered, "Are you on steroids?" And if I don't exercise, I just get thin; I get so thin, and if I if I stand sideways and stick out my tongue, people think I'm a zipper. But when I'm at the gym, I I build muscle. That's funny. Yeah, my my strongest moment was the first time I ate like a pound of of uh grass-fed ground beef at once. I did a standing ab roll; my two bodybuilding friends were just staring at me. That's hell; it's the only time I was able to do that. Um, sorry, go ahead, Adam.

I was just gonna say I I had uh I never did like meat; I like the flavor of the condiments more. I I had a uh an in-law that would get angry; he loved steak. I'd pull out the k—ask for the ketchup, and when he saw me pour the ketchup on, he'd actually get mad at me: "You're ruining the taste of a good steak!" I I'm more—I put ketchup on uh tomatoes, even; I love ketchup. Wow. Yeah, I'm kind of intuitive with it; like for for several months the last few years I went top sirloin steak every single day, but then I would intuitively feel my body just say, "Hey, take a day or two off, or take a week off," and I would take breaks. And I think more people need to tune into that instead of going on the carnivore diet or whatever diet, right? Yeah, too much meat, you know. Meat actually can save a life sometimes uh if you have a certain amount of it, but if you ate nothing but meat, it shortens your lifespan. But athletics, it can work very well. A lot—I met an athlete who ate one meal a day when I was in uh junior high, actually. I met him because he was in high school; he was kind of a hero. He ate steak and something else for breakfast; that was all he ate. And this guy, I saw him catch a football or doing a full flip on the field one time; this guy must have gone on to be some kind of professional athlete because he was awesome; he was admired by all of us as a superhero, you know, but he ate one meal a day. Now I'd like to see how long he lived if he continued that. Uh, this Russian bodybuilder eats one meal a day, too. He says sometimes he cheats a little, and he only eats vegetables; he hates vegetables, but he eats them because it's a necessary evil. But but long term uh people who eat lower on the food chain, but sometimes eat a little bit as a condiment if they're looking for long life. But look at that, what's his name, the Turbine Tornado? He's 109, maybe 110 now, and he he was running 25-mile marathons when he was 101. And he he never took a pill in his life, and he didn't eat meat; he ate—he had a little dairy uh and then he had the regular Indian type foods that they have, you know, made out of lentils and dal and that type of thing. But uh but lower lower on the food chain, I think if you're looking for for years. But again, meat can save your life, particularly—the main thing that meat does is people tend to get over-alkaline, and eating meat will change that dramatically. It's not just the protein; there's other factors in meat that are involved. And the alkaline diets are raved about; they actually kill people because your ana—your life force is in the proteins and the acids. That's why a cook puts the pot and puts the lid on the pot to save the acids from going away; the minerals aren't going any place; they're heavy; they sink to the bottom of the pot. So you're always going to get the minerals, but the light-giving acids go away, the volatile ones that you eat citrus for and you eat fruit for and you eat carbs for. Wow.

Do you do you and Vibrant Gal do a lot of soups at night because I noticed you have a couple? I haven't made soup at home in years. I I think I grew up with soup, but it seems like a pretty easy meal to make, right? Because you just throw stuff in water and let it go. And yep, pretty much just throw it in the pot and let it cook. Now we were doing that in December because we had a cold wave here and we didn't have a heater, and it got really cold here. We're all dressed with uh I have my hoodie with the hood on and uh Vibrant Gal had all kinds of stuff—a hat and and a blanket wrapped around her and the whole thing. So we switched to soup; we ate potato soup at night because it warmed us up much better. We're back pretty much eating baked potatoes again, but soup is a good way to get minerals, too, because as Ray Peat has pointed out, the more that cooks, like in a crock-pot, the more elements you get out of it. And you can get uh everything that when people say, "I can't get enough calcium or something like that," or magnesium, you can get it out of soups, and the more it's cooked, the better. He recommends up to three hours, and if you think about it, I had a buddy that left stuff in his crock-pot running all day; he was basically cooking it for 20 hours, and he just went and took the lid off the pot, ate some, and uh when I stayed with him, I gained five pounds. Well, I should do that on my wood stove because I have a chaga tea going on there 24/7. I just keep it, you know, and I start it, wait, and I wake up, and then I just keep throwing logs in all day long. So I'm gonna experiment.

Um, on your website you have an evening liver soup, which is onions, carrots, a little bit of garlic and ginger, and then you have uh you said you could put in beets as well and salt, right? That's kind of like the combination there. Beets are really good for the liver, you know; that that guy doing that beet cleanse, he's on to something. Uh, you can overdo it, but but now the beets you want though are not—they have to be organic, and there's a reason: beets are nitrogen collectors, and too much nitrogen makes nitric oxide, and it's bad for your heart and your body. So you'll see people don't eat beets because they have too much nitric oxide or nitrogen. Well, they do if they're non-organic, because they are so desperate for nitrates that when you put that fertilizer on it, they take them all. An organic beet doesn't do that; it doesn't have enough. They're so efficient at it that when you see something that they want you to buy—nitric oxide beets—they're called super beets; it's just a non-organic beet; it's a whole scam right there. The super beet is nothing better than that; I mean, it works if you want nitric oxide, but Ray Peat has show after show about how bad nitric oxide is for us and how it's supposedly—in '92 it was the miracle molecule of the decade, you know—and actually that's what poppers were back in the day; people used to take amyl nitrate and amyl nitrate and nitrite and this and that and all the different versions of it and have heart attacks and stuff. So now Viagra—they're giving them heart attack pills, basically; it causes a lot of damage, and a lot of people still think that nitric oxide is really good for you. And actually, it's a principal element in LA smog. So I tell people, if I want it, I'll just go down, take some deep breaths down in central L.A., get all the nitric oxide I want. Wow.

Yeah, CO2 is the uh super superior Viagra, right? You know, it actually it actually works; it's amazing; it's highly anabolic, and there were books written about it for cures—terms of cancer even and things like that. In Germany, they had so many carbon dioxide spouts coming out of the ground, much like Yosemite with water, that they actually had public baths that they charged you for—an individual bath, fully clothed. Carbon dioxide penetrates your clothes, so people will just come in their regular street clothes, take off their shoes maybe, get in a bath—private bathtub or get in the public thing—get charged; they ran 24 hours a day, and it was thousands of people went to these baths, and there are books written about all the cures about it. Uh, Ray Peat knew about the book when I mentioned this one book, and and I sent him a copy of the copy that I had, and uh he said, "Thanks; uh, I have that book already, but yours is a little better copy." [Laughter] So yeah, so the wild guy is a miracle—a miracle cure for a lot of things. Yeah, that's incredible.

So your wild card recipe for your uh your Growth 3 section on your website is the evening bone-building soup, and this one was very interesting to me. It's bamboo shoots, ghee, raw ginger, and a thousand-year-old egg. Where does someone get one of those? You know, uh, any most oriental or Asian stores will sell them, and uh I was very hesitant to eat them at one time because they call ground liver—it's the other word—and they're not that old; they're usually about three years, I think, but they bury them underground, and they come out black. And uh the one day I decided to take them—I came in and said, "I'm going to try it tonight," and they looked at each other: "Oh, we had just snuck it in your soup; you were going to eat it whether you liked it or not." So I tasted it; it wasn't too bad, and it actually is a fermented egg, and according to Dr. Donald, calcium and iron are opposing minerals, even in most foods, but when you ferment an egg, they mate with each other, so to speak, and it becomes an extra healthy form of food. Now I haven't had a uh a thousand-year-old egg since the '80s, so I seem to be okay without it, but it is a healthy food, and the Asians know it. Most Asian stores, as I say, sell the fermented eggs.

Yeah, I've only been to San Francisco once; I went up there with my friend David and his family, and I loved the Chinatown, I think it was, and I felt like I could have spent weeks there because I went in a few of those Chinese stores, and I was just in heaven; I was like, "This is so cool; there's so many interesting things around here." You know what I liked? When I managed the health food store here in Carpinteria, I went down there and found out that I could buy ginseng down there at a fraction of the cost that our wholesalers sold it to us. So we sold it sun under price in the other health food stores in town and still made more profit. Yeah, I would get a lot of things down there; they had the great—best ginseng of all kinds, even in a retail, but when I bought larger amounts and they gave us wholesale on top of that, yeah, we were getting ginseng and other Chinese herbs for almost nothing down there and selling them—reselling them up here for quite a profit. Wow. And there's a there's a slight difference though, I think I have a bunch here, between like Korean, there's American, Siberian, right? There's all these different types—different areas—and they have slightly different effects, and they do—a a lot of them argue about red ginseng and white ginseng, which is best. Uh, my Korean buddy, he said the red ginseng—some are undercooked, some are cooked. Uh, wild ginseng is actually one of—is was grown in the United States first and then sent to China and sent back and uh good ginsengs—you can pay, and this is in the 1980s, $25,000 for one.

Wild ginseng, group 25, grand people would buy it, and it commonly was 10,000. Because wild ginseng glows in the dark, so you can hunt it at night quite easily, something that they can't get out of a bread ginseng. They can't make it into wild ginseng. Then there's kind of phony ginsengs, which still work, like the Russian ginseng, uh, alexario, something like that, that's really not a ginseng, but it works like that. It definitely promotes energy. And then they have one down in South America; the name of the plant escapes me. They're actually calling uh, South American ginseng, and it's not. Oh, the real ginsengs are the red ginseng and white ginseng, both of the Siberian, the Korean, and uh, and then the other one that comes from Wisconsin, actually is where it first came from. Interesting. Well, um, Adam, let's jump into some Q&A questions because uh, I people always send in some good ones.

All right, why to avoid melted cheese unless it's unless it's dextrinized? And what makes what makes it dextrinized? Uh, even even dexterization won't really save it once it's melted. Uh, you know, back in the day, uh, there was a column in the paper that asked answered questions, and someone asked, "I swallow my chewing gum every time I eat it, about three times a day. Is that harmful?" And the answer was no. Velvet cheese is a hundred percent indigestible anyway, so what's the difference? Well, melted cheese can actually clog up your colon because if you chew regular cheese, you'll notice it's creamy in your mouth, but if you do melted cheese, you'll notice there's chunk styles, and those chunks actually can get caught in the colon. Now, admittedly, you have to have kind of a squirrely colon, but remember I told you I did 30-year-olds, and they had all these tangles in their colon already, and mine was dropped down where because my uh, transverse colon hung down so bad, I got good results from being upside down, obviously because I got stuff that would hang down there for who knows, wouldn't be pushed out of there. So melted cheese, the ketones in our own mouth hardened the cheese as we eat it and making it more solid. And I had a friend that was a mad scientist; he had a laboratory, so I see a big can says ketones, "What do you use that for?" To harden the resin in my plastics. Oh, okay. I guess I guess I learned correctly about the food then. So otherwise, cheese is mostly digestible in most cases; uh, most people can handle it really readily, but once you heat it beyond a certain point, uh, then it causes a problem. Uh, dextranization, you do it at a low temperature, and it'll still dissolve in your mouth. What temperature? See, which when you get those little lumps that you chew because you bought the thing and you don't want to waste it, you don't want to spit it out, when those don't appear, then you're good to go. So my story was one day I had eaten a lot of melted cheese in my life, and when when Donald A gave me a session one time, uh, he went up and down my spine with one of these things they treat your lungs with in a uh, in a lung lab, and I went to the bathroom, and I went to the bathroom, and I went to the bathroom. I couldn't get off the toilet. An hour later, I finally said, "I have a phone call that I gotta get upstairs." I wrapped toilet paper in my butt and didn't make it even up the stairs. I had to sit in the toilet longer with a long phone call into the bathroom. I asked Donald what happened; he said, "Brother, you were so full of melted cheese, I had to do something." So anyway, it's a very real effect. I ate a lot of it in my time; I paid the price; I don't have any disease from it, but it does clog up your intestines. Wow.

It seems like impossible to avoid when you go out to eat, like I see it in, you know, if I get street tacos or whatever it is, so I wonder if that's one of the main reasons why someone might want to do apple cider vinegar every day because you've said that's something that actually um, will detoxify it, right? That and products of the grape; that's why in pizza joints you'll see grape vinegar and wine and and grape juice will do just as fine, but any of those great products tend to clean that out of the colon too. An apple cider vinegar and honey drink that will actually do so too if you're going to eat that, and most people again are going to pass it through, but there always isn't the potential of forming what they call a bizarre b-e-z-o-a-r, and that's a concretion. Many things that we eat start to get layers around it; in fact, a lot of people don't know that uh, the people that die from gallstones don't die because it comes out of the gallbladder; they die because it gets into the small intestine and gradually grows to the size of the baseball and then gets caught at the ileocecal valve, and they die. So that's another reason to keep your colon going three times a day so that you get all that residual matter, extra gallstones, and things out of your colon when they can still fit through the IC valve and get out into the toilet, then have it grow into a baseball that is almost impossible to dissolve. There are ways to dissolve it, but it takes years. Wow, this is a really good one. What are the possible causes for an aversion to the color pink, and what would be the best day to wear pink? Betrayal. Yeah, it's often betrayal. Someone feels betrayed by uh, by someone, usually it's a who that they call it, and the best day to wear pink is today. Red notice, I've got red on, so pink is also today. You could also wear it uh, ideally, uh, in the pink is at 12 midnight at Sunday to Monday at midnight. [Laughter] And by the way, this color thing, uh, the colors I I wear colors, and it seems red on Monday, orange on Tuesday, yellow on Wednesday, green on Thursday, blue on Friday, a violet shades in black on Saturday, and white on Sunday. Now, what is that based on? Absolute craziness, new age nonsense? No, there's a rhythm called seven circuseptin rhythms. When you get a poison from something like uh, tetanus, uh, if if a mouse is bitten by a rabid dog, it dies instantly. Tetanus is a poison; it's not a poison to us. It takes from six to nine days for a human to die of tetanus or to get it and then die afterwards. It turns out that we have two reactions, a stomach reaction to a poison and a feedback mechanism from our own body, like in tetanus and rabies, same thing, takes a while; you don't die from it right away; you don't even know you have it, but optimum the optimum circa septum rhythm is seven days, the perfect immunity. If your immunity is too fast, it kicks in at six days; if it's too late, it's nine days; you get more slack. Same with jet lag; you get more manic if you fly east and less manic if you lengthen your day by flying west. So the same thing happens with circumception rhythms, very well researched, and also uh, other people like Emmanuel Rabisi, knew about him and actually has divided all diseases into seven-day diseases or or regular diseases. He never calls it circumceptive rhythms, but he certainly knew about it, and every immunologist knows about that fact that our body will attack ourselves, our own cells; it's a very real thing with when when provoked by a certain substance that gets in there and tricks the body. But the circular septum rhythm, in other words, by putting yourself in color flow on the sun sync site, we actually have a video where you can do it, but you you can say the colors; you can just say black, gray, brown, red, orange, yellow, uh, green, blue, indigo, violet, and white, and clear your brain just like that. We just cleared everybody listening to the show; it's you don't even have to visualize the colors, but it does help to think of those colors as you do it or to wear it in a weekly basis or even those colors. We go through a reaction of them during the day; we go through white from three to six in the morning, red from six to nine, orange from nine to twelve, and so forth until you end up in violet. And here's a funny thing, colors aren't linear. How did we get from violet, and we go one more time zone, and we're into red? It's a strange phenomenon, and that's why it's a color wheel; it's not linear. Same with a clock; the old clock showed that it was a circle; it wasn't linear. We've actually distorted our sense of time by getting rid of that old clock face that showed that you've got back to the starting point every day and revolutions. Same with color; you get color revolutions, and they're just a little below the timing, but both are relevant to our health. I think it's betrayal anyway. Isn't it funny? That was great. Isn't it funny that we could just look up at the sky sometimes and it just shows us right there with the rainbow, the order it is, and then you get a reverse rainbow again in the next one too. By the way, I'm going to tell a personal story on myself that shows how powerful the colors can be and and with the colored paint. I want to identify the person involved, but but I was in a relationship with somebody, and we had broken up, and then we got back together. And anyway, uh, when I got back to Houston, Texas, she said, "Uh, I'm pregnant." Oh, oh. So anyway, I I said, well, uh, she was a feminist, and so she said, "I'm gonna take care of the baby." I said, "No, I'm the father, so I'm at least partly responsible; I want to contribute to the child." Anyway, I go for a colonic at Donald A's residence, and on the way, I buy the colonic therapist a pink teddy bear, pink and orange teddy bear, and I said, "Wow, pink and orange are coming in strong; what's going on?" So then I went to uh, get the colonic, and the therapists knew color and said, "What color do you think of?" Because I was having cramps, pink and orange. Well, those are the colors. Interesting enough for sexual betrayal. Sex is orange; pink is betrayal; you put them together; you get combinations. So anyway, I come out from the colonic, and my girlfriend is there, and she asked Donald A, "Can you tell if a person is pregnant?" He said, "Yeah, step forward, put out both your arms." She did. "You're pregnant." Okay. She sat down. "Can you tell uh, when the pregnancy occurred?" He said, "Yes, pick a number from one to ten." Three. It happened three weeks ago. And I realized, hmm, that's the time that we got together. So uh, then uh, then he said, "But let me check it out on my biorhythm computer." So he goes in the uh, in his store room, comes out with a therapy room, comes out with it, says, "What's your birthday?" Punches it in and said, "Yep, you're definitely pregnant." And then he says, "Who's the father?" Of course, I'm hiding in the corner. He is. Okay. Without without missing to be, what's uh, what's your uh, what's your birthday? Punches it in, turns around to her and said, "He can't possibly be the father." And I'm like, what? And she said, "Uh, I have something to tell you." When she left me, she had sex with someone else. Anyway, long story short, I dreamed she lost the baby, and she did that very morning, and I had that dream while I was traveling with Donald. In fact, while I was traveling with Donald, I said, "You know, I still could be the father; there were two of us." And Donald said, "I'm telling you, you're not the father," and he wouldn't talk to me for about a hundred miles down the road. But then she had she uh, I dreamed she uh, she had a spontaneous abortion, and she did at the same time, probably that I've been dreaming. Weird stories anyway. Pink and orange, that what's the point? Wow. With the with the Donna looking at the biorhythm calculator, if it's the same thing I had a show on it, is that where you have your physical, emotional, and intellectual rhythm? Yep. He had seven complicated. Wow. By the way, I drove cab in Boston a long time ago, and they asked for our information and recommended we don't drive on our bad biorhythm days; that the cab company was owned by the Mafia too. That's the real humor of it. So the Mafia in Boston was into a circadian rhythm, well, into Bible rhythms, a little different story. There are some problems with biorhythms, but they do have a brain of truth behind them that were investigated by the railroad; actually, wanted to know about how biorhythms work for their employees. So there is uh, though it's overblown, there is some real research behind it.

Yeah, yeah. Whenever I have I'm having an off day, I look at it, um, and it seems to be accurate most of the time. [Laughter] I used to sell biorhythm computers at one time, but the thing I had one myself until it ran out in 2000, so it's been a while back, but I noticed a different pattern, and the pattern would be uh, I I wondered about this, and what Donald told me is that when you get to the bottom, that's not a problem; the problem is like if you're in a car and now you have to switch upstream. So often it happens the day after on the the low, then I read about that in the biorhythm book, and uh, and that seems to be the truth every time I come to the bottom of the hill now in my car and start to go up, I think about that story. [Laughter] My day, Friday night, I I used to really try to stay away from any kind of trouble because it was my vulnerable night, particularly uh, Adonai, they said particularly the uh, the the the physical rhythm is harder to beat; uh, you have to do something physical. The emotional and the psychological, you can clear your brain of that and uh, yawn and fart and scream and yell and everything like that, and you can you can beat those rhythms, but the physical one, he says like a lightning rod, you know, it's uh, you can put it out there and defuse it, but the physical one's more like a bulldozer coming at your house, and so you have to just be aware, stay out of the way at that time rather than try to emote your way out of it. Wow, that's really interesting. Um, this is a good one. Can you eat fruit at night, and if so, which ones? Pineapples, won, right? Okay. I can name three: cactus pear, pineapple, and dragon fruit. They're all nice. Dragon fruit delicious, by the way. And here's why, uh, the rule again was tree, bush, and vine and root. Well, how come a cactus can grow tall and so a dragon fruit's on a, you know, like a saguaro? Well, there's a problem here; not everything everything follows the sun, but some plants avoid the sun. What would happen to a cactus plant if it's 125 degrees in Death Valley and it opens up to bloom? It's gonna roast; it's going to be cooked. So it delays its function in a four-part photosynthesis system instead of a three-part; it's called C4 metabolism, and and certain other foods like corn does it, but it doesn't change its time. The bromeliad family, pineapple, actually the pineapples grow on the ground, but furthermore, the bromeliad family does the same thing; the heat and the excess moisture would damage it, so it waits till nighttime to do its to finish off the photosynthesis. A desert dweller will tell you that a cactus, both in the flesh of it, the pulp as well as the fruit, will taste differently at right after the sunset compared to the bitter taste that will accumulate overnight. So the process is going on at that time; that's why most all of your cactus products and your bromeliads have kind of a two-prong thing; nighttime is best, but you can actually eat them before dawn if you get hungry. Just before you eat, have a cactus product or a bromeliad product, uh, aloe, uh, that's a bromeliad, a cactus pear, um, there's a whole bunch of tequila; tequila is actually a cactus product; that's why you drink tequila at night. So they're kind of exceptions to the rule, and during lunar time, of course, you can scramble it up and eat your apples and things. By the way, apple is kind of looser when it comes to uh, to timing, so if you really get hungry at night and you really need a fruit, a sweet apple will be okay. The bitter apples, I agree with Ray Pete on that; you're more of a problem; the pectin in them actually is not the benefit that they tell you it is; the sweeter the apple, the better you are. Wow, interesting. Um, it's kind of on the same track; you get the apple, right? Yeah. What are the best post-dinner uh, desserts and snacks? Let's see, uh, what I I used to like uh, until they ruined it; there used to be some kind of a powdered ginger you would get, and they started doing something to it, but I would often do that and the pineapple; I would eat the rings of pineapple, even canned ones, back in the day, and now sometimes I take pineapple juice from Lakewood, half and half with sugar; I need it as a dessert, and if my eyeballs roll back in my head and taste so good, uh, what else did I I think that was mostly uh, yeah, mostly pineapple was one of my favorite nighttime ones. I did I have eaten oh, uh, I used to be able to get uh, cactus chutney. Oh boy, was that good. Cactus chutney, a friend of mine in Tucson made it, and uh, we used to have chutneys available from a solar nutrition guy named Dr. Dada Gupta from uh, the one that that won the U.S. science award uh, presented to him by the first President Bush, and he it did a lot of research validating solar nutrition and made sprouted tofu, made chutneys, pumpkin chutney, uh, every every chutney for every time of the day, uh, we had my favorite was sweet potato chutney and pumpkin chutney were my two favorites, but I ate a lot of other ones too. Wow. You never got into Häagen-Dazs ice cream? [Laughter] Midday, midday, except for a lunar, we would call it uh, we would loon out with Häagen-Dazs. I haven't eaten Häagen-Dazs in a long time, but yeah, it's uh, it's mostly a midday food. Uh, my own son was having problems; he uh, I saw he told me he eats a quart of ice cream, Häagen-Dazs a day or whatever ice cream it was, and he started having a little wide in the face, and I heard that defined as ice cream face, so I told him about that and said, "Eat it at the middle of the day instead of at night." He did, and he didn't have ice cream face anymore, so it really does make a difference, but at the end of time at night anyway. I thought it was a neutral food because it's dairy, not really, but if you have a small amount, see dairy is looser; the more fat you have in it, the more it's time-free. Cream, no problem. Ghee, all butter oil, nothing problem there. Butter pretty much all the time too, uh, what else um, the in the more fat half and half you get by with more, but you just don't do too much of the dairy because a lot of people who have trouble with dairy like uh, I met someone who lived at one of those through what they call them three ho ashrams, you know, the Sikh ashrams, and she said her baby had terrible uh, reaction to milk where she was mucus all over the place, and that's all they served her at the ashram. So I said, "Can you get access to cashews?" She said, "Yeah." Make cashew milk in the morning, uh, drink uh, uh, drink your all your milk that you're gonna give the baby from cow milk given the middle of the day, and I forgot what I told her to take at night, something related to it. She came back a week later, said, "No more mucus." So she had just as much milk; she just timed it from 12 noon to 7 o'clock and then did a little cashew milk for breakfast, and that took care of the whole problem. What, you know, it's funny, Adam, when you said half and half, um, Dave Asprey, you know, the former Bulletproof guy, he sold it, but he's been making Q&A videos where people ask him questions, and he just gives a 30-second answer. In a recent question last week, someone asked him if they can put a tablespoon of half and half in their coffee, is that healthy, and he said, "Absolutely no, because the the half and half will bind to

The polyphenols in the coffee prevent their absorption. It was fascinating; um, it's really interesting. So I'm like, what's the difference between that powder? The polyphenols are tannins, so he's partially right, but the little that happens is not gonna stop the effect of the coffee's benefits. He won't—you don't get it. And if it was a problem, have another cup of coffee. You know, there's no way uh that much cream or half-and-half can possibly take care of all of those jalapeños, because uh tea is loaded with it, coffee is loaded with it. A lot of things are—got the phenols in them. Some of them aren't even beneficial to us, but most of them are beneficial, particularly if you eat them on time and and and don't make a habit of taking enormous amounts of them, which actually are often toxic.

Yeah, that's a good one. Does he soak all of his nuts, or just almonds? No, just the almonds are the ones that changes you; uh, the others—some people do well by soaking the other nuts. I don't like the the flavor, actually, but with almonds, from six hours to 12 hours, you convert the prussic acid in an almond to—actually, what do they used to call it? Uh, golly, I'm thinking of the term—the anti-cancer uh uh ingredients, and they used to sell—that's it. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for saving me on that one. It changes it to amygdalin. But then if you let it go for three days, uh you get a uh you get a reaction where it turns into whatever the acid is that's in cranberries—not necessarily harmful, but the fermentation irritates your stomach in the morning, as a general rule, except for umi plums and a few exceptions. Better to avoid the fermented foods, particularly in the morning, but it's active time is from six to uh uh 72 hours. Now, O'Donnell—and don't ask me to explain this—he said in 72 hours you get the tannic square root reaction. God only knows what that is, but anyway, six hours is enough to actually make that initial change into amygdalin, and then it goes into the uh just breaks down into simple chemicals and that one acid that will go into your uh your bladder. Actually, it's used in cranberry juice because it's non-volatile, so it can't acidify your bladder when you get an alkaline infection. Most infections are alkaline, so take note, people who are believing in an alkaline diet—we need them both, you know, we need them both, right?

Uh, this is a good one. How how do how does vitamin E tocotrienols neutralize tocopherols? I must have missed that post because I haven't heard that. Yeah, you know, uh tocotrinols, when you think about it, is a scam. Talk of pearls—the four of them, the alpha, the beta, the gamma, the delta—all of those are very very—if if there ever was a miracle uh supplement, it's vitamin A, no doubt about it. But then they tried to pass off tocotrienols, and I suspected a rat right away. And Ray Peat has commented—yeah, they're actually counterproductive. I forget what he recently said when he was asked about that—that it causes some kind of a disease if you take enough of them. But stands to reason—every plant, almost without exception, has tocopherols in it. There's only rice, palm, and a couple other things that have tocotrienols in it. So it's like—you ever see—there was—I'm not going to name any products, but there was a product—this is necessary for everybody in the world, but it's only found on the top of Mount Fuji. Well, well, if it's for every—how did everybody in the world survive unless you were a Chinese peasant living at the time? I mean, a Japanese pheasant on top of Mount Fuji. So it's the same thing—if it's so rare, how come people are getting along fine? But tocopherols are so important that they're they're used all over the world and all the plants, and they help you. And uh Dirk Pearson, in his book *Life Extension*, which makes some inaccurate statements, but he was really big on vitamin E and how important it was. And his only mistake were the dried forms and things, which I asked Peat about on one of his radio shows, and he said, "No, you go for the regular vitamin E and don't get into the fancy forms of it"—that it's it's the best. I believe you sell a mixed tocopherol thing, which is right on.

Oh, thank you. Yeah, I think that's as good as it gets. Supposedly, Peat said it—the vitamin E used to be different, like more potent or something, and that's always fascinated me. But yeah, there's this doctor going around making the rounds on podcasts selling a tocotrienol supplement, and it just doesn't make sense to me. They're unsaturated, whereas tocopherols are saturated, so that right there is a clue.

[Laughter] Yeah, yeah, it's a uh someone figured they could get something exotic and then sell it for the real thing. But of course, the shoots did all that research about our heart-healthy vitamin E was, and though it's been changed, it's still beneficial, like it is. Also, if you want it in food, almonds are a great source of vitamin E in the morning, and so are uh is olives—olives and olive oil—great source of vitamin E, uh but it's in plants uh on the diet people eat. You know, there's—that's one thing I have actually supplemented on sometimes, because if I figure out—especially you're on the road or something like that—then it's hard to get the the good food for it. So it is uh one of the better—best supplements out there, out of anything you can get.

Yeah, and it helps too to like sometimes break the rules, right? And like, you know, if I don't have my vitamin E for whatever reason and I'm eating junk food or fast food, which is very rare nowadays, but I think there's—you feel the difference if you if you mitigate it versus just trying to use your mind power. I think both have their place though.

Yeah, well, mind power—I met a guy named Jerry Burks, and he was really big into mind power, and he could do it. So he got cancer; uh, I told him—he came to me for advice, and I gave him a whole thing—a bunch of things to do. I I didn't know as much as I know then, but I told him what I did. Years later—maybe a decade or two—I ran into him in Tucson, Arizona, and he told me, "By the way, I got rid of cancer with mind power, but it would have been easier if I followed your method along with it." So the mind is very powerful, and Jerry Burks was a very very unusual guy who definitely had mental powers.

Yeah, maybe our next show—I think we've been talking about it for like two or three shows—we need to do a whole one on on mesmerism, because I have no clue about it, so I'd love to to learn. Well, I was—I believed the same thing until recently—that hypnotism and mesmerism was the same thing, and mesmerism was just a false amount, but actually mesmerism's closest approximation in our society is applied kinesiology and biokinesiology, in those various forms—so-called muscle testing. Do you know that the police—one time I was talking about kinesiology, and I had a Texas highway patrolman that my my friend was dating, and so I thought I'd impress him with a little kinesiology. He said—I said, "Can I show you something?" He said, "Can I show you some things?" I said, "What?" So then he got up and did the up and down the meridians and everything like that and told me that you can also, if you if you ask a person for a an address, if they go above two digits, that weakens them, and all this stuff he's telling me. I said, "Where did you learn that?" Uh, "We're taught it—every highway patrolman in Texas is taught—it's called control techniques." So he knew about all this movie stuff. He said he would come to a uh to when he would go to approach somebody, he would say, "Could I see your driver's license, please?" And because we're on audio, but I put my hand downward just casually and automatically—some people are more susceptible—some people uh I used to amaze people because you can try this—put your arm up. This guy was a muscle guy, really proud. I said, "Put your arm up." I could practically hang on his arm—he was so strong. I went down the central meridian, pushed him right down. He went, "Do that again! Do that again!" He just couldn't believe that doing that would work. And most people—unless you know certain tricks of centering—and most people who think they can center themselves can't—that's the proof. If you find someone that can center themselves, they know. I've had a lot of Qigong people—didn't work—but there are some people who really know the tricks on that, and it can be done with a distance. That's what the police don't know—that you can do it a thousand miles away. Now we're getting into the realm of voodoo at that point, but these energies exist. Rupert Sheldrake is probably the only real legitimate mainstream scientist—sort of mainstream—that that writes about it, but it's very real things.

Yeah, yeah, it's interesting with the police and the highway patrolmen. Um, I always think of *Star Wars* and, you know, um the Jedi, uh because last year I got pulled over. I went to an Italian restaurant and had a bunch of pasta and a big glass of red wine, and I was driving home and I was, you know, fine—I wasn't drunk—it's just a glass of wine, and it was after, you know, a couple hours, and um I got pulled over for speeding because there was like an abrupt slowdown after you get off the ramp, which doesn't really make sense, but—and the guy comes to my window and he's he's like, "Do you do any drinking tonight?" I'm like, "Nope." And he's like, "So if I breathalyze you, you won't, you know, pop it?" I was like, "Nope." It's like an interesting mental little like game going on, you know, or have to bluff—such an interesting aspect of life. But yeah, I would never drive drunk.

[Laughter] It's a little disclaimer.

[Laughter] They they do have uh definitely games going on. My karma's been really good. I've uh—back when I drank, I had two bottles of wine and decided that my car was overheating, so I was going to blow it up. I'm obviously in in the wrong uh uh mood, but I welded it together. Talk about good karma there—I cured the car after a year of having to put water in it every five miles. I had jugs in the back constantly to pour water into it. It sealed itself. Then I then I picked up a hitchhiker, and I'm drunk, and he tells me he makes his living by beating people over the head and stealing their wallets. I said, "Well, that's okay—I don't have any wallet—I don't have any money." So we drove up some place, and finally I passed out. We pulled over beside—I passed out—a cop comes and knocks on the window and said, "Have you been drinking?" I said, uh, "No." He said, "What are those two wine bottles doing on the under there?" And my breath obviously did it. So I said, "Oh, I just left him there." "Where's your registration?" I had cleaned my car and didn't have the registration. So anyway, what he says—I think, "Oh, we're going to jail," and the guy beside me thinks he's going to jail too. The cop says, uh, "Go up the road—there's a mile—get a car—get a coffee—and then go to a motel," and leaves. So at that point, I told my passenger, that who was a full-blooded Indian, uh "I'm out of gas—I don't have any money to go where I would go," and he went to go to Oklahoma and said, "Well, I have relatives in Weatherford, Texas—I can put us up there." So I had enough gas to get there, and I spent Thanksgiving with the Indians and weather protectors. The whole driving under the influence thing is so interesting to me. Oh, 'cause I I feel like it's it's a it's a law that should be there, and I'm sure people get so triggered because they've had, you know, people have had families torn apart by getting, you know, someone's killed by a drunk driver, but I feel like it's uh it's probably the health of the person—the health—their liver. I know, for example, me—like my nervous system—if I stay up all night long, um I I actually can function pretty well, and I could drive, and you know, I don't hallucinate, so you know as much—

Oh, someone's blowing you guys up.

Um, we're just like—yeah, I was just saying—I got a couple of vibrant gals—just unplugged it, so you won't hear it anymore.

Yeah, that's funny. Anyway, my point is, I think there's a nervous system component to how we handle things like that, and most people are probably not healthy, and so they lose motor function completely when they consume alcohol. It's my theory anyway.

[Laughter] Trauma can do that, because a someone under alcohol, if they're not traumatized, can drive perfectly well. Uh, most people have accidents of what's called proprioception, uh where you uh you bump into walls and things like that—is a proprioception problem, and they can be solved by uh behavioral optometry. Now they have a they have a thing called the—oh, what is it called?—uh, I can't even think of the name—that they do in Canada. They teach this to kids, and it's basically exercises that you do, but the parent science is behavioral optometry, where you do exercises like this—say you bump into walls—you simply take your fingers and you uh with each hand you do a figure—now both hands together you do a figure eight around a point in the wall, like a nail hung up in the wall or a hole or something, and do that over and over, and then draw figure eights with each hand, and automatically your your scores go up when you take tests—your proprioception improves. In fact, I first found a a friend of mine—a really dear friend of mine—had a child who was a D student, so she told me, "Anything you can do," and I did the exercise where you take your finger in front of the person's eyes, and if the eyes go click click click back and forth instead of smoothly, they have a problem processing one information from one hemisphere to the other and back again. It affects your tennis stroke; it affects your lifting barbells—all kinds of things. So I said, "You've got the money, so you don't have to do uh whatever they call the other process—you have enough money to go see a behavioral optometrist." She did. They give him all kinds of eye exercises—a red lens of green ones—and you see the writing where you see some and not the others—you have to train yourself to see both uh at the end of that—she became an A student in the 10th in the 10th grade, the 11th grade, 12th grade, and through college—straight A's after that—from a from a D and sort of failing school. I learned that trick from an optometrist who studied it back in the day and was hired by the army—like in that movie with Danny DeVito—where they take the people are not passing the test, but instead of giving them tests and being a teacher, he gave them eye exercises, and they all passed. So doing those kind of techniques uh uh actually they worked dramatically.

Wow, that's incredible.

Yeah, but before I got LASIK eye surgery, I was trying the pinhole glasses and the figure eights, and I wasn't seeing an improvement, but maybe it was my nutrition being off—I don't know. They can help—my sight came back dramatically after 23 years of needing glasses—suddenly my sight restored in 2009. Wow. One day I couldn't even read a newspaper before without my glasses or go to a bookstore. So one morning I come down, I look at the newspaper, start reading it, and think, "Wow, I don't have my glasses on!" And so I got fixed. It's getting a little less now, but I don't have to go out—before, if I didn't bring my glasses, I was functionally blind for reading labels, books, newspapers, and a lot of small signs—even menus and restaurants—and now I can do all of that. But why it changed—I I did—there's there's a dietary thing in solar nutrition—you have pistachios in the morning—you notice how they have visual violet in them—in the color of them—and they look like eyes peeping to the sun—and then sunflower seeds, which they followed the sun—and then carrots at night—and that could have done it. It did it dramatically for a guy who came into the health food store one time and said, "I've got it—I've got a chance to get a job, but I can't wear glasses for this job, and I'm not going to pass the eye test—have you got anything?" I told him about those three foods. He ate it for a week, and I wasn't there, but he came into the health food store and told the guy I work with, "Tell him that it uh it worked fine—I got the job." So you can improve your eyes. And by the way, for cataracts, Ray Peat has said that you can reverse cataracts—it's not—it's the same as any other tissue—they make you think that it's a separate lens from your body, and it's not organic. He said it's like egg white—you ever see when you heat egg white up, it gets dark? He said, "Well, you can actually reverse that by getting the the flow back in there," and it's not blood flow—it's glutamine—and basically, if you had capillaries in your eye, you'd have to look throughout all the blood, so it obviously has to have a way of oxygenating yourself—like Ray Peat talks about the the fish in Mexico that you can read the newspaper through—I don't know if you've heard them talk about that—the diamond body—basically it is—they actually have been transparent human beings, at least according to Ripley's Believe It or Not.

Wow. Wow, that's funny. Well, I wonder if it works both ways with with healing your your body to restore your eyesight and your brain, because after I got laser eye surgery, my brain function went through the roof—like definitely my memory improved—my ability to focus, to concentrate—like my overall brain function improved when I improved my eyesight in that way. It's really interesting—the connection—they're definitely tied in. Have you ever seen the little homunculus in the head, which has the big lips, the big eyes, and the big hands, but the smaller feet and all of that? That's a very real thing, and it's a reflex system. Well, obviously your eyes have a lot to do with our consciousness—probably eighty percent of our consciousness is visual, 18 is audible, and we only have a miserable three percent for touch, for odor, and for taste—three percent. So uh a balanced person used to mean—let's see—rationality had to do with the ratio of those five elements—the word ratio—it comes from your intelligence—is super intelligent when you have touch 20 percent, eyesight 20, etc.—but you can focus on those and actually adjust them uh to become what they call a genius or a sovereign—obviously genius is different than we think. The guy in Denver—he's just a regular guy—he jumps off a sweat into a into a swimming pool—it's empty—smashes his head—wakes up—he can now do mathematical formulas and all kinds of complicated things. Another guy—some downtown town—I forgot which—gets mugged and beaten senseless—wakes up five days later—he's now a genius. So obviously you didn't get that out of a book. Idiot solvents was the politically incorrect name of calling it back in the day.

[Music] I love it. Well, Adam, this was a great breakdown of of sun sync nutrition or solar solar nutrition, and um I'm sure people can get bits and pieces from all the the chats that we've done, but this was really cool. I'm glad we did a dedicated show on it, and um I hope more people sign up to sunsyncnutrition.com. Oops, sorry, it's my mistake, because they get access to a lot of cool things—like they can ask you questions. I mean, my favorite part is the food list, because it just makes it really easy to click through, and like I said, there's those fun recipes or drinks that you can make, and tons of cool stuff. You have the color recycling, right? And a lot of things on there.

Yep. Uh, sunsetnutrition.com, and sign up for 99 bucks—get all kinds of things—and then also I I sell my books at solartiming.com, so uh they can get books there. I've got about 40 or 50 of them now, and I was not going to write another book, but here I am writing the copper book, so I couldn't help myself—I over—I already had so many notes on it that I—

Figured this is going to be easy, because two-thirds of it is written already. In fact, I wrote a book called Cosmo Cosmo. What was it called? Cosmo Chemistry. I got that from the oil industry; it's actually a word they know about because they want to go get oil out of Jupiter and Mars and asteroids and everything. So I borrowed that name, and I went into all of these minerals. Some of them are in my *Butterflies Need No Taxidermist* book, and I started writing books on each one. But uh, it faltered, and I have bits and pieces of probably about 20 unwritten books that are more—that are just lying around that I find every once in a while where I've gotten one-third through it, even three-quarters through it, and some of them just starting. Yeah, and he mounted his horse and rode off in all directions.

Well, I just noticed, too, you have a bibliography of books related to sun sync science, and some wild ones that look so cool, like *Why Do Music Conductors Live Into Their 90s?* I just got crystal singing bowls, which—it's amazing. I had a guy come here that fell and hit his head and had crazy nerve pain, and just five minutes of me playing a singing bowl, he said it was a hundred percent reduction in pain, like it was an anesthetic. It's wild what sound can do; it makes a difference. I have a friend named Dr. Raymond Solis; he's an MD, and uh, when people will do it, he takes him into the room with the Tibetan bowls—with the Tibetan bowl. Yeah, Doc Out of the Box is what they call him. He's also a student of Master Chen and a good friend of mine. That's so cool. Wow, I love it. Yeah, and uh, and solartiming.com. So the two websites, I'll put the link—links below, and um, yeah, it's always fun, Adam. It always lights me up, and every time we chat, I always have something new to—to try. Um, I think I have to go pick up some—some walnut hulls to integrate that in my morning routine.

Yeah, they're good for cleansing. If you do that cleanse, it's good to have a whole—a whole month of doing that, because from moon to moon, you'll notice parasites follow that type of—they follow the moon. It's really common, and the eggs are a monthly process often, or at least they last a month. So within a month, you kill all the eggs; so that's the whole idea of doing it a long time. Otherwise, you can get rid of a parasite, then another egg hatches, or another—whatever they call it—basically like a cocoon. You know, I—I've seen those uh, in my friend the letter tiger's colon; they look like big cotton balls. It freaked him out; he—he said, "What the heck? I didn't eat cotton balls!" A whole bunch of them, and I've seen photos and parasite things of how they have little nests like that. But some of them uh, as some of them are—the only way you truly know about the parasites is one of those parasite tests that you get. But indeed, a lot of people have things in their guts that shouldn't be there.

Yeah, I know, and there's so many options, like um, I know Justin has the turpentine lady a lot. I've—I've done that before, but uh, I've been messing with ivermectin, putting uh, 1 ivermectin liquid in capsules, just doing the—you know, following the instructions for animals on the label. And you look at like the one I just gave my goats today—all the worms it wipes out: pinworms and mascara slumber coities, roundworms, and it's a lot of worms that just—ivermectin. It's funny, people are using it for the sea thing, but it's actually—it's a better anti-parasitic. You know—you know, uh, a lot of the other things they were using for the so-called pandemic, I didn't really like because they have a lot of side effects they don't tell you about. But I can't find any real side effects out of hybrimectin, so—so obviously it works on animals, and it seems to work, so I have no problem with that. Some of the other ones that I can't pronounce, I've forgotten the names. Vibrant Gal is always telling me how to pronounce them, but—no, not room deserve; I'm talking about the natural ones—hiding something like quarterbacks. Yeah, they have not only lots of side effects, but by overusing it, it's going to make an outbreak of malaria in the world. So even uh, for seton and stuff, they're—they're not my favorite chemicals, and they're in poison manuals. But ivermectin, I—I want to look that up, and I just can't find any dirt on it, so I don't see any reason why it's gonna harm anybody that I can see. Uh, I'll look some more, but it seems like a wise choice, and even—it will probably work better for parasites than going through all that stuff with the uh, with the pumpkin seeds and everything. It might even be better. So uh, good choice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think some of the pharmaceuticals, too, like um, there's fibendazole and mebendazole; those are like uh, anti-helmetics and, you know, parasite drugs. And there's some research, like I have one right here: mebendazole, and this kills tapeworms in three days; it like starves them, reduces the numbers of tumors by 56% as a single agent. So it's actually an anti-cancer thing; this is anti-parasite pharmaceutical, and a lot of them seem to be that way. It's interesting. By the way, I heard something a long time ago that I thought was—thought was fiction, but it's true: if you fast and don't take anything but take a lot of garlic and things that tapeworms don't like, and then you put a bowl—and you get naked, you lie down on the floor, and you put a bowl of warm milk on your anus, the tapeworm will crawl out to get the warm milk. I really thought that was fiction when I heard it back in the 70s. It's true. I don't know if I recommend it or not, because I was also told don't put the warm milk by your mouth, because the tapeworm will try to come out your mouth. Now, I don't know how they get through the uh, the uh, pyloric valve and stuff like that. That's true, but the other is true; it will come out. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, that—a guy, my friend in Hawaii that's really into parasite cleansing, he texted me yesterday, and he said he's been doing uh, chlorine dioxin enemas—like six drops. I'm like, "That sounds scary; I'd be afraid to do that." You know, I would—I would uh, opt out on that one, too. Uh, chlorine in our water is bad enough, uh, so I'm not a big fan of that one. I would take the ivermectin a hundred times over the uh, over that choice.

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like uh, the MMS. Chlorine is okay in water, but the reason they take it out of pools and stuff like that in smaller amounts is because it's chlorine gas. They used to use it in the First World War to kill people. You know, this is related: chlorine, fluorine, and even iodine and bromine are—they're toxic metals when they're overdone. Ray Peat's one of the few people that warns about the danger of iodine. I ended up writing a book about it—about how it leads to uh, thyroid cancer, all kinds of things. Yeah, that—that pure—that part—the fluorine and the chlorine and the bromine and the iodine, they're very, very active, and you have to be very careful. They can be used for certain therapies. One of the problems now: 25% of our drugs—pharmaceutical drugs—they're fluorinated; they have fluorine to carry them deeper into your body. Now, why do they call it chlorinated instead of fluoridated? So you can't look it up on the internet, of course. If you do a search—if you put fluoridated drugs, it's not going to give you—put chlorinated, you'll be in for a big surprise. Cagey, aren't you? I—I hope in your—it seems like a lot of these elements are anti-pathogenic, like um, like I'm interviewing a copper expert here in a week or two, and he's into—supplementing uh, like copper sulfate. But um, I guess copper alone is really anti-parasitic, but it's fascinating. Yeah, it kills one cell—the instrument, but it also uh, it also causes rocks. And actually, copper, just like iron and just like manganese, is involved in Alzheimer's disease, so you have to be careful. Now, why is it active? Why does it do that? Omega-3 fatty acids—copper behaves, iron behaves, manganese behaves, aluminum behaves—if you don't have a matrix for it to feed on, and it's a major villain. When I first started writing books about omega-3s, I never realized it was that—widest subject; it covered so much ground that I really could write some more books on it, but I'm dedicated not to write any more books. The last one, I got tricked. Remember when you were being interviewed on Justin's show, and he incorrectly gave me an extra book that I'd written? That's how I wrote the [ __ ] book. I said, "Well, might as well—might as well fulfill his words." Yeah, I'm—I'm—I need to finish my first little ebook on calcification, lipoflusk, and fibrosis, because it's just—I'm on the fibrosis part, which is uh, the hardest one to write about. But the calcification one, I spent so much time on vitamin D, because I didn't know that for years that vitamin D contributes to it. You know.

Yeah, it—it does, uh, and that was common information that—that if you take over 200 milligrams—200 international units of uh, of vitamin D, you pull calcium out of the bones. Now, the thing is, as I just wrote a blog about vitamin D. In fact, Pam Popper is one of the few people who has done about 15 videos on YouTube about how bad vitamin D is in supplement form. I know somebody taking 50,000 IU on a regular basis, and her blood hasn't changed at all. But it goes into the fat cells, and submariners knew that we were designed to go an entire winter without vitamin D, because if you got it during the summer, it's stored in the fat cells. Why are they measuring it in the blood when it's not in the blood? It's a fat-soluble vitamin; it's in the fat; it's not in the blood. But it can be delivered in the blood if they measured the blood without taking any—if you were out in the sun or expose your food to the sun—which any food, even pasta, will absorb vitamin D into it. But only that—there are a lot of body—there's a vitamin D2, D3, D4, and other Ds. You don't get that with one frequency, like they make it—because they just make it by shining an ultraviolet light on it. But if you're out in the sun and put your food in there, you get a variety. I call it full-spectrum D, and it's not toxic because your body can recognize how it's done. Many of the vitamin Ds, they basically weaponize the vitamin D in a lot of those foods, and they cause all kinds of side effects. Uh, anyway, that's—that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Yeah, I—I get attacked aggressively when I speak out against supplementing D3—people; it's like a religion. And I want to ask you really quick, like you wouldn't want to put potatoes out in the sun, right? Because the solanine—like there are a few foods you might not want to do that with—like potatoes. Here's the trick: yes, you can put them out there, but here's the trick. People have asked me, uh, "Okay, if I expose olive oil—it's supposed to be in a brown bottle, right?" All right, but here's the thing: you take your olive oil that you buy, and if you could pour it out so it could be exposed to sunlight, you expose it for 20 minutes—20 minutes—it will be so loaded with vitamin D, you put it back in the brown bottle, cork it—that vitamin E will not have gone down a fraction in 10 months in that olive oil—10 months. But if you leave that olive oil in the sun 24 hours, all the vitamin D will be gone; the oil will be rancid, and the green color will be clear; it will lose all of its activity. Plants know that they can just take a certain amount of sun, and that darkness contributes to vitamin E as well as the light. And so any—and it has a shelf life—any food, even pasta—you could—you can't imagine which one—some of them load up with vitamin D in three minutes, some of them take 40 minutes. Wow, the average is 20. Put it out in the sun 20, 30, 40 minutes. When you do the olive oil, you can keep it out there, even though that just takes 20 minutes, you can keep it out 40 minutes; you wouldn't lose any; you don't start losing it until one hour; then you start losing some of the vitamin D from it. So in other words, we can activate our food by simply putting it out for short periods of time, and you get the real stuff. What makes—if it has a shelf life—what makes something in a pill last for a year or two or three or four or five years? People should ask, because it's not vitamin D; it's something else concocted by laboratory uh, beaker boys, I call them.

Yeah, wow. Yeah, back when I was selling—yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, back when I was selling uh, algae oil, you know, I was repping Martin Marietta and NASA. I was really into uh, Myron glass, you know, it's made out of cobalt, and I think at that time I was putting my middle life algae oil in like a pyramid in a sun—it's in the sun at solar noon, and my idea was, you know, I kind of extrapolated from Jack Cruz's teachings and kind of made up my own thing. I was like, "Oh, if it's going through the Myron glass and it's only allowing in the infrared and certain wavelengths of UV, it's probably charging up the DHA." But I was definitely on the wrong track back then. Yeah, the sun—the sun can charge a lot of things up in short amounts, and that's why if you want a bad crop, expose it to light 24 hours a day; it harms it. But you can lengthen its off-season a couple hours and get more growth out of it and speed up its growth by doing those type of tricks. A lot of people know that who are attempting to grow food in our lab—some of them—some of them will grow laboratory natural food inside, and some of that is okay. You just have to be careful, because separating the wheat from the shaft is something else, because you don't know what they're up to or what they're adding to it and how much GMOs and nanotechnology and whatever else they're adding to it. But the technique uh, we could—in a perfect world—actually grow food in a laboratory, getting the exact frequencies, the time limits of exposure and darkness and work it—and red—a lot of plants treat that like—treat that like night. So you could actually still have it lit up with red, but uh, but use the other lights uh, for other things. Anyway, there's a whole science that is barely investigated because basically there's no money in it, and it's cheaper to put drugs and things to make things last forever and say it's the same thing as you're getting as a natural product, which is of course a total lie.

Yeah, wow. Well, I'm looking out my window here, Adam, and uh, I'm gonna have to um, chainsaw a lot of these tall trees, because not only are they blocking my solar panels, but they reduce the amount of sun hitting this area, and um, yeah, I'm really excited to uh, to experiment. I might even grow some tobacco again. I—I changed—third—help chainsaw some trees up there in Idaho at my friend's—you know, be careful that it goes the right way; make sure you know what you're doing there. We almost went through the roof one time when they hit the ground; we heard someone else doing it three miles away, and you could hear that the ground would shake where we would be when one of those trees fell. Wow. Yeah, so be careful. I posted about that, and some—like environmentalists—I don't know if they're vegan, there—they just don't get it, and they were like, "No, we need trees for oxygen," and then I had a bunch of friends send me articles on how most of our oxygen comes from the ocean—I think it was like 80%—and then I made the point that you only need five to ten acres to have wood for life, so you only need that much land because trees grow super fast. I don't think people know how fast they grow; it's—it's insane. They do. Uh, my friend up there, he just cleared an area for his use; he keeps the others—in fact, when he bought that land, the guy said, "I'll sell it to you if you uh, if you promise not to cut—sell to the logging companies and things." So it is extensive uh, area, but because those trees were all by his house, one could fall off and kill the roof, so we got rid of some—about 15–20 trees around the area that he was going to build a photo lab and some of the other stuff—they use a bathhouse, that kind of thing. Nice—nice country up there; I loved it when I was visiting him.

Yeah, yeah. You're always welcome if you guys are up here. But pretty cool setup—a lot of energy devices I'm playing with, and just trying to make it like a futuristic hospital. That's cool. [Laughter] But um, thanks, Adam. This was awesome, and um, we'll do it again soon. You bet. You bet. Thanks so much, Matt. Have a great evening. Enjoy your potato. Thank you. Yes, appreciate it. Uh, stick around as I close out the show here. [Music]

Well, I forgot to remind you to have your notepad ready to take notes, but that's probably only if you're new to the show; the veterans probably already know to be ready to take notes. Adam is such a wealth of wisdom, and how he's living is obviously working, with the capacity of his memory and his articulation; it's really impressive, and I hope to be even half at his level when I get to that chronological age. I found his parasite protocol really fascinating: the walnut hulls in the morning, the pumpkin seeds midday, and the tequila at circulation—sex time at night. I think most people can get on board with that. And there's so many different parasite cleanses. I really like the Shen Blossom Mountain Detox Tincture and the Akka Hanoki; it's like a mixture of different resins. But for a really affordable parasite cleanse, I think the walnut hulls, pumpkins—you know, sprouted pumpkin seeds and tequila are the way to go. I found it fascinating when Adam said that a carrot at nighttime protects the lungs the next day, so I'm thinking there must be an orange connection with the lungs if oranges are good for the lungs in the morning and carrots are good for the lungs at night. I know the last couple years a lot of people are having a recurring cough and congestion and just lung issues, and so I think the orange juice in the morning and the raw carrot at night is a really good start to support lung health. So if you want to dive deeper into solar nutrition and Adam's work, you can go to sunsyncnutrition.com. I'll put the link below for that. And if you click on membership for a lifetime one-time fee of a hundred dollars, you get access to a lot of cool stuff on his website. My favorite is the food list, and that's where it has all the drink recipes that are really fun. But you can click basically morning, afternoon, and evening, and it'll change up all the foods and make it super easy to figure out if you want to play around with this idea what you can eat at those different times. And Adam's other website is solartiming.com, and under store, if you click Adam's ebooks, there's a big long list of all the books that he's written thus far. And there's also another segment called Adam's mini e-books, which are a little shorter, but he actually just came out with one about copper; it's called *Copper: The Good, the Bad, and the Valid*. I'm really excited to dive into that one—thanks to Morley getting me obsessed about copper. Molly Robbins and minerals are just fascinating to me, and the deep connection between vitamins and enzymes and minerals—there's so much to learn there, and I think it's really misunderstood and underappreciated how those interactions work. So go and support Adam's work; I think what he's doing is awesome. He's a humanitarian and just a walking encyclopedia. I feel like I could talk to him for weeks on end; that's probably why our shows are always so long. But really fun stuff, and I love the way that his mind works. If you want to support my show, you—

Can go to matt-hyphenblackburn.com, and I have all of my recommended products up there under “Shop.” I want to give a shout-out to Transcriptions Just Blue. There is actually just an article posted a few days ago in the New York Post online how, uh, methylene blue is fish tank cleaner. Dr. Slam influencers for ingesting fish tank cleaner to fight aging. I’m gonna put the link below because it’s really funny, and I actually got severely censored on social media for about the last eight months. My account’s been what’s called “shadow banned,” where people can’t search me, and my features are limited, and I don’t grow subscribers as fast, and there’s all these things that go with being shadow banned. But the crazy stuff is I didn’t even say the “c-word” much. I’m pretty sure that I got censored just because I talked about methylene blue. And I was really talking about it because I do think it’s one of those incredible things for what we’re dealing with today with the whole, uh, situation. It’s just a really affordable and effective supplement.

And what Transcriptions offers is more of a nootropic, so it’s lower dose than what you would get in a liquid methylene blue product, but it still has an incredible brain effect. And I think it has an even better effect if you’re aware of iron overload and the issue of copper deficiency that that creates and how retinol plays into that. And if you understand the relationship between retinol, copper, ceruloplasmin, then you add in methylene blue, it will have a much better effect than if you’re copper deficient and vitamin A deficient. Then you added in this copper polish called methylene blue; you won’t get as much of a benefit as you could. So I really like that company. You know, if you’re going to the beach, if you’re going on a hike, it’s really nice to pop one of those Just Blues, and you know, experiment with a quarter or a half or a whole one and find what dose works for you. But I always feel a little brain buzz from that.

Middle Life is my brand. You can find that at midlife.co, and we have a few products sold out, but for the most part, things are in stock. Lately, I’ve really been hammering down on retinol, thanks to Mr. Morley Robbins. Just tons and tons of research on bookmarking study after study, connecting dots of how retinol, vitamin A from foods, protects from lipid peroxidation and how it’s so important for immune health and T cells and all of these things. But it works together with hormone D, and then you have vitamin E and vitamin K, like K2, and so they’re all important. And what I’m starting to realize from my research and the messages that I get sent by people with various different names of XYZ health condition is that everyone’s deficient in everything; that’s my understanding. But zinc and ascorbic acid and iron and all of the usual supplements, fish oil that people take, those are just making the situation worse. So it’s really about finding out what supplements are harming you and what supplements you’ve taken that have harmed you. A lot of these are liposomal supplements that are being pawned right now in the supplement field, and then adding in the right ones and just adding in vitamin E and vitamin K2 can make such a huge difference. And then if you start to get the retinol coming in, then you’re really rocking on all cylinders.

So that’s it. Thank you for listening and for sharing these shows with your friends, even through all of the censorship. There’s a new show released every Friday, and I’ll see you next week. Stay supercharged. [Music]