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A lot of people are experiencing these alien abductions, alien experiences, and they need someone that's got empathy and someone that understands and ultimately, someone that's knows the solution. And so I believe you've got some stories where you've seen right to the end the beginning of the experience and then some people coming to Christ even.
Yeah, absolutely. And I've brought some clips from the movie, which we can show a bit later, but I'll show you another example, just earlier this year.
Yeah. Okay.
So I'm leading a safari in South Africa for another ministry. It was a Creation Safari in South Africa. And at the end of it, my wife and I said, "Well, let's add on a few days." We went up to Botswana to do our own safari there. I'd always wanted to go to the Okavango Delta. And we're getting up early in the morning to do the game drive and I wasn't feeling too well so I stayed behind. But my wife went out. And she came back, she said, "You'll never guess." She said, "Our driver had an encounter in his tent last night. This little black entity stood there and he called out on the name of Jesus and it left." And I thought my wife was having me on. Here I am having a vacation in Africa and this man has an experience. So sure enough, I go off talk to him, and he said it's not the first time it's happened. And he was a professing Christian. And I explained to him what was happening, you know, what I'd seen in this realm. And you could literally just see the weight come off his shoulders. What first thing he wanted to know was why him, you know? So that's what we kind of had to explore if there was anything in his background. But I had my laptop with me and I had a flash drive and I said, "Here, I'll give you a copy of the movie too." Because we're in the middle of the jungle, you know? And he said, "Yeah, I've got a laptop. I can watch it there." So kept in touch. He hasn't had another experience since that particular one, because, and again, I think that the enemy watches and they know that he's now well equipped in terms of how to deal with it.
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Yeah, and so that's an example of someone's a Christian and it looks like he knew, sounds like he knew that this was a demonic experience.
Well, I think he just called out on the name of Jesus 'cause he was terrified.
Right, okay.
'Cause I spoke to his, there was a fellow game driver that shared a room with him and I also spoke to him about it and he said he was yelling and screaming. He was terrified. That's often what happens. And I think here, I just wanna say too, when, you know, a lot of people, and I looked at comments online from our last interview and people said, "Oh, that's right. You know, I always believed it was this. Always believed it's that." When I meet someone, like I'm at those churches and people come up, the worst thing I can do is just to say, "Oh, I know what's happening here. Let me tell you." Because if they have never shared with anybody, it's important to them. And it was a real lesson for me, Scott, because, you know, working in Creation Ministry, you know, we feel like we've got lots of answers to all the questions we get and we're very, very quick at giving out the information. But I've had to learn to kinda be quiet. And I would encourage people to do that. If anybody's had experiences or seen things, you need to let them talk. You need to let them share what's gone on with the experience and that, again, don't deny it, right? Because they could be having a real experience. The issue is is the experience truthful in terms of what they think it is or what they've been told? And where we can unpick all of this, you know, we mentioned in other sessions, people see things in the sky. We can't grab one of those objects, pull it in, do empirical scientific tests on it. But it's in this area where people are told things when they have the experience, they always recount being told that they're special or they're given a mission. And most importantly, we mention there they have a theophany where they meet a religious or a divine figure. Or if they don't meet that religious or divine figure, they're told things about religion. And it seems interesting that a lot of this seems to be centered on the Christian faith. That Jesus is, for example, just an advanced extraterrestrial, he's one of us, and it's by virtue of his advanced technology, that's how he could turn water into wine and all sorts of kind of bizarre stories. But clearly, it's been designed to undermine, you know, our traditional beliefs in Scripture and the nature and purpose of Jesus Christ and who he is and what he came to do.
In your experience, do the aliens ever undermine Muhammad or Buddha?
No, no, they mention him, and you know, people are living together. And there was a famous person in the United States called Louis Farrakhan, and he tried to organize that Million Man March, and his mentor, Elijah Muhammad, was apparently a former abductee and had been up on the spaceship and met Muhammad and all sorts of stuff. So yes, they do meet them, but they never undermine them. You know, or they'll adopt it. And even some Christians have done that, or when I say nominal Christians have done that, they'll try to incorporate the experience or the belief about aliens into a really confused worldview that adopts Christianity and these other things. So what was interesting, when I started to find out all of this stuff and I started to investigate the whole abduction scenario a little bit more, I came across two MUFON researchers, Joe Jordan and Wes Clark, working outta Florida. And they'd written a little booklet online, which I read, and I ended up contacting him becoming, particularly with Joe, really, really good friends and a fellow collaborator. And if I could just spend a couple of minutes sharing their story.
Yeah, of course. This is Joe Jordan, who's the guy in the middle there on your movie "Alien Intrusion". And this is the one that people can get for free streaming if you click the link below.
I believe so, yeah.
So anyway, yeah, so you were saying you met, but first you've picked up a leaflet by him.
No, no, they had some research that they had published online.
This organization, MUFON.
Yeah, so what happens is they were based in Florida and he was a MUFON investigator. So what happens if there's a sighting or an experience, the local investigator will go out and one of the first things they do is they say, "Well, they saw something, but was there any aircraft in the area or any military testing or whatever?" So they try to exclude everything, you know, and as we said, 90% can always be explained. But it was in the area of abductions, they had a whole catalog of people that they interviewed. And the things are so bizarre. I mean, you know, the aliens walk through the walls and then the abductees says, "Oh, I got taken up through the ceiling." And we're thinking, "Well, how can physical beings do this?" And you know, a famous author by the name of John Keel, he even said that he saw researchers going off the deep end taken in by the strangeness of it all. So they said, "Well, look, rather than looking at who is being abducted, is there any significant group or portion of the population who is not being abducted?" And then they looked back at some of their research, they said, "Well, look at this. This is interesting. This person here, during their abduction experience, called out on the name of Jesus Christ." And I should point out these guys at this time, their own testimony says they were not Christians. Might have been cultural Christians, but not evangelical, you know, born again Christian. And they went through more and more and they started to see it. So Joe says he rang his colleagues in MUFON, and he said, "We think we found something. It looks like some of these Christians seem to be exempt or are able to halt these abductions." And their colleagues in MUFON said, "Yeah, we know about that." So aliens, they like Christians, big deal. But they thought, "Well, no. We should follow this line of investigation." It's like the first break or bit of information we might have to explain, you know, some anomaly in it all." So they took themselves off to a church 'cause they wanted to know what it was about Christians that aliens tend to didn't like. And I chuckle at it now because it's really kind of a funny premise. But what they found was, and this is Joe's interview we have in testimony in the movie, he found that the Bible, he said, his words were, "We discovered it was the word of God, and it was that these experiences of people happening were experiencing, were happening from a spiritual realm, a spiritual dimension. And that Jesus being the Creator is the one that seemed to have authority of them over them." So kind of getting no help from MUFON, and he was not took critically said they just didn't know what to do with it. They put an ad in the Florida Today newspaper. Has anybody ever had these types of experiences?
This is Joe Jordan and--
Yeah, and Wes Clark, yeah. And the article in the Florida Today got picked up globally by other newspapers talking about the, 'cause it was just an interesting out of these two experiences. And they just got flooded with people's testimonies, right? And then they found again and again that in the moment of the abduction experience, which is often a moment of terror for people, they would sing hymns, say prayers, they would recall back to their childhood, you know, church attendance, and call out on the name of Jesus for help. And these abductions were stopping. But in that Bible study, as I said, they realized that this was spiritual in nature and that's why Christ had power over them. When I interviewed Joe for the movie in South Korea, he said he's got over 400 cases now. And of course it begs the question, doesn't it? If these really are advanced extraterrestrials, you know, why do they fly millions of light years, you know, across the universe to come here to tell us that Jesus is just some mythical religious figure and debunk our religion, but at the same time, they're terrified of his name?
So just to check that, he's got 400 documented testimonies of people experiencing abduction and then calling on the name of Jesus.
Yeah.
And the abduction stopping.
So at this point, Scott, I think I brought some clips from the movie, from the documentary.
Oh, let's see them.
And so I've got them with the producer over there if we wanna play them. And there are a couple of clips. One is Joe Jordan himself talking about it, and then we're gonna hear from one of the experiences.
Excellent. Let's see them.
Years ago we interviewed this man named Bill from rural Florida. He had the stereotypical experience where it starts out late at night in bed. But prior to that, that evening, he had seen some lights outside of his living room window. (dogs barking)
My dogs were barking very, very loudly in the back. And I'd get up and I'd go over and I'd open up the window, which was next to the bed, and I would tell them to be quiet. And they'd quiet down. I'd go lay down in bed again. They'd start barking again. I did the same thing. I did that several times. I remember the last time that I did it, I went and I laid down and it was almost instantly, I became paralyzed. I could not move. I could not see anything but gray. And all of a sudden it felt like that something or someone had put some pole right up my rectum and was holding me on that pole. And the entity or whatever it was that was doing this to me was laughing like it was pleasurable. They were laughing at me and I was so afraid, I didn't know what to do. And I can't remember whether I said Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, or Jesus help me, Jesus help me. But at that instant, my experience stopped. And I heard, distinctly heard these entities squeal in pain. And I hit the bed. I was literally thrown into the bed, which woke my wife up and she asked me what I was doing jumping on the bed.
So Gary, I just want us to bring this back to the people that are watching and let us try and wrap up here. But what can people do? Because there's gonna be people listening to this who are experiences or are experiencing at the moment, so say to someone that's experienced at the moment or they've got a friend that's experiencing at the moment, what can they do?
Well, let's go back to the research of Joe Jordan when he talked about Christians not having the experiences. I should qualify that because a lot of people call themselves Christians. We might call them cultural Christian. And it's very offensive to them. If you say, well, you know, you're not a Christian-like. You're not born again or you don't believe this. But Joe found the distinction himself 'cause he said there were people, and he described them as talk-the-talk Christians. They generally espoused the knowledge of God and just tried to live their life and what they thought were, you know, Christian values. But they could still have experience. But what he noticed was a distinct absence of what he called walk-the-walk Christians. And he said that these were people that believed that the Bible is the word of God and tried to live their lives by the Bible's precepts. And I'd like to explain it this way. So you and I are both evangelical Christians. If a little gray entity came and stood at the bottom of your bed in the middle of the night, you wouldn't think it was a ET from another. You would just immediately know because of your biblical knowledge, your background and the knowledge of the spiritual realm and the Bible's warnings that you're dealing with something evil that has manifested in your room. So in one sense, the enemy's not even gonna bother with you. Not gonna try it on.
He'll try a different tactic with me.
Yeah, most likely.
But he won't try and appear as an alien 'cause he knows that hey, like, you don't believe in aliens.
Yeah, but majority of the population does. In my experience, majority of the population does. And that even includes some Christians who open the door to the idea of the believing that God could have created life on other planets. So generally, I've found the experience only occurs to those that have a pre-belief. There's often with abductions and entry point. So in some cases, it can be drugs, can be alcoholism, can even be mental conditions. The enemy is no respecter of persons, right? Whatever weakness he can see, he will try to exploit. I've had situations where people have had these experiences and I mentioned earlier, sometimes they're sexually violated when they recapture it. And then I've talked to the person and I find out that they've told no one that they were sexually abused when they were a child, for example. I mean, that's just such gut-wrenching stuff to deal with. This event recaptures all of that stuff that they've hidden and buried. But you know, hopefully brings it to the surface so that they can deal with it. And the other entry point is just, you know, a belief in this type of stuff. It's no surprise that people who were really into UFO aliens and have made it more than a pastime regularly have these types of experiences and regard them as being benevolent. But as John Mack showed, it's traumatic for most. And you said PTSD syndrome. He actually said they have the same symptoms as battlefield veterans. But another PhD researcher, Richard McNally, who actually is an atheist, he speaks at atheist conference, he's looked at it and he said that people, and he doesn't believe that these are really aliens, he thinks it's some sort of psychosis. But he also noticed that it's interesting that after they have these experiences, they often become evangelists for the alien cause and they get into alternative new age therapies and it just opens up a whole world. So you can see why people are getting the experience, you know, why the enemy seems to target them. You know, what we're dealing with, I think, is a worldview issue. I mentioned you wouldn't have the experience 'cause I like to kinda say you're wearing the right set of glasses, set of glasses that help you filter the world around us. You understand there's a spiritual realm. You can understand these things that going on with people. And 1 Corinthians 2:14 says, "The man without the spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. They're foolishness to him. He cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned." So to truly really interpret and determine the nature of this, this is the set of glasses, biblical glasses that we need to wear because the Bible is replete with warnings about this, episodes where evil spirits have come and, you know, tried to deceive people, and even inhabit them. We call it demonic possession on occasions. So the take home message though is why do they flee at the name of Jesus? In the Book of John, it tells us that Jesus is the creator. And that testimony we heard from Bill D., later on, he says, he came to realize obviously the spiritual nature. He says the reason Jesus has the power over them is 'cause he's the one who created them. That's it. You know, as I said, nothing new under the sun. This is just, you know, people might think this is old fashioned or old hat, but it's been going on since the beginning of time. The very first deception occurred, didn't it, Scott, when the first human beings were deceived by an angel of light, Lucifer, literally means being of light or bearer of light. Did God really say? Isn't that what's happening today? In this and all sorts of things, when these entities come, "Did God really say?" That's what it's all about.
Yeah, the challenge comes back again. Did God really say? This seems really, really real to me. Yeah, this is more real than, if it's more real than your experience of God and that can be a problem.
Yeah, so I would just say to people, if they know of anybody, listen to them, talk to them. Don't invalidate their experience. Most commonly, the most common thing people will experience is people that have seen something. People will listen to this. And I saw even comments, I saw something, et cetera, and they've never had closure on that.
Yep.
I said 90% can be explained. I'd probably attribute 10% probably are spiritual in nature. Why did you see it? Well, it's not that you might be special, because sometimes hundreds or even thousands are seeing the same events that happen in the sky. But in the area of abductions, if you know anybody, I say don't invalidate their experience. Try to empathize. And that opens the door to them maybe wanting to hear more from you, get them some resources like the book and the DVD and I dunno whether we held up the book, but if people are interested, there it is. So still very, very relevant. And people have found read that and it's very comprehensive and I think it gives them a great big picture of all the various facets of the UFO phenomenon that's going on.
Yeah, certainly. If you're listening to this at the moment and you wanna find out more, I'll just hold the book one more time. It's "Alien Intrusion". Gary's written this book. And you can get it with a link down in the description and you can go off and buy that. But again, we've got the movie "Alien Intrusion", which was based off the book. And so the movie "Alien Intrusion", we're actually streaming free, and you can get the link in the description. You just need to sign up to our email list and you'll get a free streaming version of this. And yeah, Gary, I just wanna say thanks to you, thanks for your time again, and thanks for your time in researching the subject and bringing it to light. We're bringing the darkness to light here, I really believe and I think this is gonna be very helpful for a lot of people. So thank you again.
You're welcome. (gentle music fades)