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Don't worry, sir.
Fine. Thank you.
Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Uh, obviously there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. Uh, we should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid. And uh incredibly controversial, very fascinating, and if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history.
Yes. Uh thank you for this invitation. And uh yes the group is composed by Colorado Malanga which is the head of the group and the uh dean professor of chemistry at University of Pisa.
Could you explain your background please so people understand?
Yeah, yes my background is uh this I am a telecommunication engineering. I graduate at the university.
What is that word again? Say it again.
Telecommunication engineer.
Telecommunications engineer. Okay. It's like your your English is excellent but the Italian accent although fabulous sometimes it's difficult to translate.
Thank you very much Joe. I'm sorry yes that I'm not mother tongue of English but
still much better than my Italian.
Okay, thank you.
Yes, I graduated myself in university at the University of Leche south of Italy. very nice university and uh it it was it is has the name of a famous mathematic mathematic Italian which is any deeo de Georgie um was living in the era then John was living also and they uh were they were one against to the other and Uh they were they was both um studying the 19 Hilbert pro problem and John um any de Georgie solved this pro this problem one week before John Nash.
Ah interesting John Nash who from the famous movie a brilliant mind with Russell Crow.
Yes.
Yeah.
So uh then I performed my PhD at Lasapenza in Rome uh and now I'm here. And how did you get involved in this this discovery?
Yes. Uh I worked uh on radar and synthetic radar for a lot of time. Um radar
for the Italian military. Right. Some work.
Yes. Yes. Some
which you can't really talk about. No.
Right. Erh and uh I was um involved in some research where um together with uh the Italian research council of Bari always south of Italy. Uh we we was testing some special processing that were able were able to to perform something special. And so
this is
so this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out try this technology out and this is satellite based technology correct and it's a radio tomography
yes it is something in my personal opinion very simple uh the radar is installed on board on the satellite the satellite flies at in the space uh at distance of 600 kilometers at 7 kilometers/ second in velocity. So while uh it flies along the orbit, it is um able to catch snapshots of the earth. The snapshots has to be focused and this focusing procedure let's say it in the azimut I take it easy in the azimut direction is done by sound by the processing of sound because it is involved at the so-called Doppler frequency uh you know Joe when uh you hear noises that are approaching to you the this noise will rise the frequency because it the the target has a velocity a posity the velocity with respect to U and so the frequency is rised up and this procedure uh allow us to estimate or to to grab let's say the um um vibration information that is always present at the surface of the earth in terms of a vanishment waves that are present on the surface of the earth. So this vi vibration which is mechanical vibration uh carries inside of this the the the information that is located underground and so we did this.
And was it a specific idea? Was it the idea specifically to look under the pyramids or was it something that was discovered accidentally?
Okay. Yes. Uh once uh we discovered I we discovered this uh this method uh it was a coincidence that I knew Colorado Malanga and at that time I speak I am we are in 2018 he was studying the pyramids and so we were talking about uh something that uh if if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids because he needed some information to to conclude the research that he was doing. And so uh I proposed him to use my technique and uh we started to work together and so we focused in that time on the pyramids
and when was this when was the first scans?
Uh yes in 2019. in 2019. And when you got the data back,
did you immediately get the data that you're showing today where you see the columns with the coils around it?
Okay. Uh in let's say that this research is can be divided by two. The first one 1.0 uh we were concentrating research on the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the Kaops pyramid to watch inside the pyramid. And so we have uh detailed tailored our processing to watch only inside the pyramids because that pyramid only one pyramid because we were uh doing that kind of research. Then once we uh discovered things in 2020, we published the peerreview paper and uh we gave uh public the results that we found in inside the kum kum kufu pyramid. We decided to expand our um research in all the the Jiza plateau.
Can I stop you there? The when you looked so we know quite a bit about the kufu pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist?
Absolutely. Yes. Because we have detected this uh multi-layer structure that is inside the Kung Kufu pyramid, the so-called Zed. We have discovered it uh uh very well from the space and it is located inside the pyramid. And also we discovered it in the new we no we discovered it we we um uh we gave an image also of the other known structures like the gr the grand gallery
the grand gallery
the grand gallery and then also the queen's chamber and the king's chamber also so
and accurate in terms of size and dimension
and also position and location. Okay. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid?
Yes. Uh we decided to focus below the pyramid. Uh because we uh we were our intention was to expand our um research and then also thanks to the third component of the research group which is Armando May. Uh he suggest us to expand our research and scan all the Giza plateau. And so what what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?
Yes, in the second part of of our research, we uh started focusing our scans on the Kraer pyramid and uh like Kunum Kufu and then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper. And so when we did this uh very nice things be began to to appear on our results. What what did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns?
Uh I believe they're uh the diameter is 20 m
20 minutes.
So they're huge, enormous columns.
Yes.
What what what went through your mind?
Skepticism.
Skepticism. I told for uh also Colorado uh was with me because uh we had those results for uh in our um desk without uh disclosure or anything for 6 months because my my opinion was that was not real. Um I uh I did I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due due by our uh processing procedures.
Did give you pause at all that they were so uniform that these columns were in very specific places and that they they lined up there was a uniform gap in between them.
Yes. And uh uh why we disclosure this? because we started to use also other satellites and uh once we uh at at the beginning we were using only the Italian uh satellite system that is it is cosmos kimemed and cosmos kimemed second generation it's very good very precise but uh we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites because Joe in research when we have diversity diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we uh were uh searching we were searching confirmation confirmation. So once we had the same results while we were we was using uh American satellites called the Capella space and and also other satellites having always the same results. We decided to disclosure.
How many different scans have been done on this area?
Two or 300. Two. More than 200.
More than 200. And all with uniform results.
Yes.
Wow.
Yes.
There's a lot of resistance to this and it's from the usual characters and it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And um unfortunately they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They they want this to not be true regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans. And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things like didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have?
Yes. Yes, we have a particle collider where I have born in Lula which is located in the center of Italy. At the center of Italy there is a huge mountain called Grand Saso the Grand Saso Italia which is uh has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 m for being precise 2993 m. And so um there there is a a tunnel very very long tunnel about uh 11 12 kilometers and in the core of this mountain there is a particle collider there is a laboratory let's say like that
and this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain.
Yes at 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.
Wow. Yeah.
Okay. So, we know it's accurate. We know it works. What do you think it I mean, other than what I said that it's gatekeepers of archaeological information? It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps a quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What What is What do you think it is that is causing this resistance?
Personally, it's true. We found a lot of resistance. Yes, it's true. But personally, I don't know why. Erh, I can say something uh regarding to my personal opinion. Uh Joe, it is something that maybe is too big, too huge to to be disclosured like that today. I don't know why
it's confusing to people because it's it's essentially paradigm shattering because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000 stones. The the alignment is to perfect true now, true north, south, east, and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment. Whoever built it and when they built it, it's just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the the very least 25,500 BC, probably even older than that. We really don't know.
But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, "We don't know anything. We really don't. We we know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense because there's there's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb. Doesn't look like a tomb." And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work.
Yes. Yes.
which you know he's an engineer and he said it it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power.
Yeah. Uh yes in this uh in this context I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dan and uh in in uh um I like a lot his theory and uh it it makes sense and um and so this discoveries matches a lot with his uh with his and also to other scientists that makes make recast the uh effective purpose of the pyramid not to to be tombs. Today we are sure we are sure or of one thing that the pyramids are not tombs. They're not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes.
That's just the top.
Yes.
And underneath it,
you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored. But you have data that shows that. Let's let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about. Cuz once you see it, you mind just goes, "Okay, what are we even talking about?" Like,
what was this civilization? When did it exist? And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling, but if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that it it is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity.
Yes, I agree with you Joe because what we found it is something that is has been confirmed by by our measurements and at the moment I suppose that our measurements are the only are the only data that we have because there aren't other other data. So uh what we are uh observing we are we are observing principally vertical structure. This vertical structures has a a pattern a regular pattern and this regular pattern is uh um uh constituted by a so-called spiral nature. I found this and
okay so what are we looking at here? These are
that's the right one.
Yes.
Yeah. Okay.
Yes. That is the cafrey pyramid. And you see Joe at the top of the tomography. The tomography is on the x. Uh so the horizontal dimension we have the space. Okay.
Space adjust the range
and on the vertical we have the depth.
Okay.
Okay. On the top we have the um uh the the pyramid. You see you see the pyramid on the top. And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down. And look, you have the spiral nature of the of the of the of the structures.
Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen. So, what are Let me see some other images.
Um,
because this is just one, right?
I know. That's what this was from his presentation and I didn't know where to get the best from it.
Back up one. So
go go go. Okay. Again we have a lot of images here that that is requesting all the uh the research that we have done together.
So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replica. Pull up some more of those.
Yeah. Get them off the web.
Okay. Um some of the images online are recreations of what it is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath. Correct.
Uh we have performed measurements and they are sound measurements that are that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites. So they are very precise and they are coherent. A coherent it means that contains a lot of information. So it is uh characterized to have high entropy and so when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion we can see what there is underneath.
Okay. So this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like.
Yes.
And how are you getting that from the image that's below that?
Okay.
So the image is just one aspect of the data. Correct. Yes, the imag
this this this multicolored
image. Okay, here we are observing inside the Cafra pyramid and inside the Cafra pyramid uh we are observing those structure there. The the those are inside the Cafra pyramid
and the image above
yes
that is an artist recreation of what you think it looks like. Now, how did you make that determination that that's what it looks like?
Okay. Um uh the uh 3D model has been has been um retrived not um observing just only one result but observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have we were able to retrive so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay. So observing the results we were able to uh determine the spirals and the uh structures that are located starting from the base of the caf pyramid going down.
I've seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that's below. So, let's see if we can find some of those. What are they? What else do you have here?
Yes, these are all images that are related to the first uh
So, this is just an article that's in the news.
Okay.
Yeah, I just I mean, I even went here. I
um what is like where's a a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there. Okay.
It's just kind of
Okay. What is this? Okay. Uh here we are watching a wide area of of our tomographies. Look and we see the structures that are going down.
Yes. This is much clearer.
Yes.
Okay. And
and below the below the structure at the end of the structures there are huge chambers but they are really huge approximately having a uh a width and the length and the height of 80 80 m. So 80 meter structures that are below all of this.
Yes.
So almost the size of a football field below all this. That is some sort of a chamber.
Yeah.
And um see see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, how did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery? whether they come in this uniform pattern pattern that I I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils.
Okay, let's see if we can find those slides.
You know which you know which slide maybe
if you go down please. Yeah. Uh wait a minute. Okay. Okay. Here. Okay. Here we can observe a regular pattern. So not uh not coils. And we and we go we go down please. Okay. Regular pattern. And the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image
here. Regular pattern. Go down please. And here. This is in my personal opinion uh the fourth image uh from the uh left to the right. The fifth image. One, two, three. Four. The fourth image. I'm sorry. where you have a core at the at the center of the the coil at the at the center of the the structure and then we have a something that spirals down.
So has anybody speculated about what this could possibly be like what these coils are?
Yes. erh I spoke with uh uh two independent with let's say with some independent researchers and uh uh especially with Christopher Dan and uh um and also uh I spoke also with Jeffrey that uh is uh uh considering also the Giza power plant like a chemical reactor or something like that. So we have on one side uh uh uh scientists that say okay it can be something related to electricity or or we have something related to chemical chemicals or other things in my personal opinion me I can see anything I can say anything because I just measured what there is there so it is not my how you say my my job to do this my job is okay here we have the measurements and now we have to see what there is inside my in my personal opinion this is the right um time to say okay let's go be let's go there and see what there is
let's start digging
yes
yeah um pull up some more images please Jamie um so
yes this is very important if you want I can I can tell you about this
okay because It is uh the very important u project research project that uh I am working now and it is something that if could be possible we can go there and without digging anything we can go below. Why? Because uh belonging between the Sphinx and the Cafra pyramid, there are some shafts. And there there are the photos of the shafts where we can go in Sidto and we can uh physically go there and see and watch those shafts. Currently the shafts are blocked by debris and there is also rubbish inside. So we uh I performed I performed a lot of scans at at those shafts and you see jaw the sha the the shafts goes down down down down down and they reach chambers that are below
and that is the doc doppler tomography readings.
Yes.
So these shafts go down. How far do they go down?
Yes, they go down approximately 600 m.
600 m. Wow. Yes.
So 600 m down and then they reach a chamber.
Yes.
What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one
like what is what what do current archaeologists what does academia what do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second.
Yes. Yes. This is the complete 3D model that me and Colorado did. And uh so to uh observe all the structures that we have find that we found um evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the Jiza plateau.
So it's not just under the great pyramid, it's under all three pyramids
and also the Sphinx.
And also the Sphinx.
Yes.
And they all seem to go do they go down to a uniform depth? Erh, we found at the moment the same depth. Yes.
And they all have chambers at the bottom.
Yes. Absolutely. Yes. And that's the the the in my personal opinion my the nice thing that uh that we are dealing at the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down. There are um huge uh chambers.
How huge?
Uh, as I told you before, 80 m times 80 m and times 80 m of height.
And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids. It's the same dimensions.
Yes.
Wow.
Yes.
When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning.
Yeah.
Because it just it just makes you think like, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This make makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this this rewrites history because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrabably more advanced than us.
Yes. Because uh they were able to to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the earth below.
Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. One of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It's a the recreation of the vase of one of the many voses that they have that is
accurate in its the the way it was made.
Yeah.
Down to god, what was the number? A thousandth of a human hair, something crazy like that. like much less than a human hair in the diameter, in the uniformity of it, in the fact that it was carved out of this incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They, you know, there supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it. No one knows how they did it. And it has handles on it, so it couldn't have even been turned on a lathe.
Yes. And also if we go inside the pyramids inside and also outside the pyramids we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The the chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions uh and the dimensions are all related to the constants to the major constants of universe.
Right? They're all aligned to the constellations. There's a lot of like very strange calculations that they were able to make like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox
passes right through. It's a fascinating place.
Yes.
What when you started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like to you when you're when you realizing, oh, this is real?
Yes. It was something that uh was very very nice for me because because uh when we disc the thing was um I was saying always to Gor shall we disclosure this or not? I think for for now not for now not but then the results were always the same. So we decided to to disclose this uh this
how long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it?
One year.
One year. So for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like I have the biggest secret on earth.
Yes.
How weird was that? Only two person knew this.
That's crazy. That's crazy. two people having one of the biggest secrets on earth
that's backed by data. I mean, it's not it's not even like you know someone told you something like you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm shifting structures.
Yeah. And uh I I tell you Joe, I I would like to go there and see what there is in person.
Yes.
Because it's it's now time. I think
is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it?
I tell you Joe, I didn't f find a lot of resistance. There is I found a lot of resistance in the internet. Yes. A lot of the banking a lot of people that no it's not true it's not true
a lot of people that continues were continuing to say no rather can penetrate the earth for one kilometer 4 and they didn't know or they they purposely not saying this that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth and with with that information we are retriving tomographies. It's something new that I invented but it works because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method and it's this is 100%.
And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired but that's because you have new patents on better stuff.
Yes. Now Jo under NDA. So h I uh we just uh I think I I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in USA.
Nice.
Yes.
Wow. Um have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this further?
Yes. Yes. Erh I I tell you this there are uh companies uh related to mining and uh uh crude oil extraction and then also water. Uh Joe today we are living a particular time because water is very important. Uh we are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. So for me the first thing that we have to do is to scan uh the earth and uh uh to fetch to to find to try and find other uh let's say uh opportunity to ext extract not salty water because it's very important.
So you'll be using this technology for that as well.
We uh for now not but I'm thinking to do it.
Well, it makes sense. I mean, if it can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well. And that will be if and it's and it also if it's accurate, that will also help garner support. Yes. For this this exploration of whatever is under there.
Yeah. And uh so uh we we are receiving a lot of uh uh calls from uh companies that want to work with me. And so let's see what what we can do. And so this is all companies that have reached out after you released the results underneath the pyramids.
Uh the most of them are calling me recently,
right? So they've heard about
relatively recently. Yes.
Well, that's capitalism, right? They they say, "Oh, we can make money off of this."
Yes.
Yeah. Well, that's good. That gets people interested. It gets people involved in this.
And so we have also philanthrop philanthropic project. We are opening a um a foundation in Malta. We we are realizing it in uh two weeks and uh we we will have a foundation in Malta and with the with that foundation we can operate also philanthropically for the the Giza plateau and other uh and other uh ancient megalytics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything
really. What is next? Uh maybe we we can see uh Pumapo or other sites.
Yeah. Yeah. Go back.
Go back. Yes.
Have you looked at the labyrinths underneath uh the the ones that were described by Herododus that Ben Van Kirkwick has been talking about and his Uncharted exchange atrium with a 40 meter metallic object that's the shape of a tic tac in there.
Yes. They asked me to do it and we will do it.
Yeah, you have to do that.
I I tell you Joe the processing is very nice but requests a lot of calculations. So uh it is time consuming. So at the moment at the moment uh we have some computers that are dedicated on JA and other project that we are doing and in the future maybe we will have other um other machines that uh can work to to do other things but we will do it. We we need time but we will do it. Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it? Have has any of that resonated with you and rang true? Is there any validity to any of the criticisms?
Radar is only precise. The nice thing that has radar is the precision and especially from space because space it is a very silent environment. you don't have noise something the the platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves
they return back with absolutely precise with absolute precision
and it's recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you've done with various different satellites. Correct. Not just one so that one could have errors.
Yeah.
So you're convinced?
I'm convinced 100% because
wow I did the I invented the method. Yes, I know. But uh I tell you that uh I am happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I am happy.
Well, you got there first. Yeah. So no matter what
I mean, you if this is correct you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology because if you are
you're welcome but I it's just fact if what you're saying is true and we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century. I mean, that's absolutely mindbending.
Uh thank you for this. Uh yes I I am happy for uh for being in this uh but uh not al not not only me other people helping me to to do my work. Yes.
Oh, of course of course a lot of people
and in principal my family.
Yeah. um this these structures and this this whole area if this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza plateau but around other parts of Egypt. I mean, there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in subsaharan Africa an advanced civilization that in the area are not now sand you could probably do that same sort of research there as well.
Yes. Yes. I I agree with this and uh we will do it. Yes.
Wow. What is life like for you now having this exposed and now you know having this on the internet and all the speculation and all this excitement? What has that been like for you?
Yes, I am not very used uh on all this exposure in on the internet. Uh it is something that I have to uh get used of this. Yes. My my life is simple, Joe. I I live in Italy and uh but uh um now I repeat this uh it is time to go ahead and go on the uh Jiza plateau and in person I I wish to see the effective structure how they are and the purpose of the of all the plateau what it is And is there plans to do that in person to do some sort of an excavation?
Yes. Um I wrote a project proposal which is a research and also not research a proposal and uh is now um we we are uh our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities. If you want I can explain you this proposal
please. Um we are involving University of Ferrara um principal scientist professor Savakaro Italian professor in she's a geologist um and other uh and other governmental Italian governmental uh in institutions that are very clever to do scans in sidu scans. So we are not using my my technique. We use the state-of-the-art technique that it is recognized by science today. And uh our uh intention is to uh concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I that I showed you that we we have seen because we are we are not 90 99% convinced that or sure that those those are natural entrance into the the uh the structures that are below that are located below because we have the vertical structures and you saw on the tomographies you have also horizontal connections.
So there's corridors.
Yes, you have.
And how large are these corridors?
Uh about uh they they are tall about 3 m tall.
Okay.
So about 9 ft tall.
Yes. Yes. that can that will uh using these corridors you uh will arrive directly inside the the the coils that we are that we are uh uh um visualizing uh that we v visualize uh before.
So there's passages and shafts and these uh enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures. The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do uh cleaning because now they are um
sand debris.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And um is there a timeline on when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff?
Yes, it depends when we submit the project. The project is ready. Uh I know uh people that uh are living in uh in um uh in Egypt that when we are ready we can submit the project proposal then we are we are at uh when the government if if approved the project we can start.
Now I would imagine that something like this something at this scale would require enormous funding.
Yeah.
And how do you uh how do you hope to acquire that? We we can make um we can say uh people that this this work is not for me but is for humans. And so people uh we we ask people to help us in uh getting money to perform the work. We have to ask people. Have you reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this?
I don't know them, Joe.
You don't know them?
No. But maybe uh
it's a big ask.
Yes,
it's a big ask.
A few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it costs to to do this
to do? We we have to do we we did an estimation of uh the the an estimation about I don't know for maybe maybe uh belonging for 20 millions or or more
$20 million
yes $20 million
and this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath
and because why so much money because we are our intention is to work safety I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We will we want to use drones, robots to to make something automatically and so go down by using machines, not humans.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah. And that way you can get accurate real time video and
Yes. Yes.
Wow. with cameras and uh it will be something I am thinking about this the most maybe is one of the most ancient megalithic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now today and so we can recover it modern and ancient together.
So you've been giving this presentation now and you've been going around. What has that been like? What has the reception of it been like?
Yes. A a moderate positive reception.
Moderate positive. So people that are like if this is true, it's amazing but you have to show me more.
Yes.
I tell you in this project proposal I am out.
You're out.
Yes. It is better than that University of Ferrara that is one of the most important university in Italy can stay there and uh manage all the work is better
right
and I'm out
right you showed them what's there show them the technology now
good luck
thank you
thank you and good luck so tell me about this presentation so how do you set this up I know you you brought some of the slides of this presentation tell tell me how you set this up.
How you
how you set it up? So, how you explain it to these when you have these, you know, semi-eptical scientists that are sitting down there and you're going to tell them, I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up?
Oh, they were uh they were listening me very well and they asking me uh things uh about how they everyone um the first thing that they asked me is how it works and that's good and so I slowly explain explain them how it works and how I arrived to to to make this presentation so to have our results and uh uh and so and so on and They they they someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical,
which is what you want.
Yes.
Yes. You want healthy debate about this kind of stuffy debate.
That's the only way you find out what the truth is.
Yes. Only only having a you a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I I don't want to polarize people for me. You know, it's not my it's not my job. No. Well, not only that, it's not you're just discovering something. Yes.
This is something that's there. And for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy.
Yes.
Like if you're skeptical, we should probably explore it. And if you're wrong, okay, now we know it's not true.
But if it is true, it's a crime to not investigate.
Do not investigate. It's a crime to not investigate. Yes. And I tell you the the uh solution to we we don't we don't have to dig holes uh uh ruin the what is now preserved. No, we we have to only clean enough. We have to only clean and we have to use what there is made. It's for us because those shafts they are for us. They are calling us. We our um our rights are to clean them and see what there is and do go down and explore them. Personally,
well, it just seems like these shafts exist at alone and they are at that depth that you describe and they are at the dimensions you describe. It really does lend credence to what you're saying. Yeah. because it seems like there's a purpose for those things. And if they do go down to the area where all these structures are,
seems like there's something there.
In my personal opinion, they were built purposely. And if you see the the
access points probably.
Yes, they are access points. They are they were made probably to um you know, Joe uh when you go deep below the earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain uh uh ratio uh of um where the temperature rises uh proportional to the depth that you are going. So the shafts are made purposely to take the their their function is to transport air light and so cool what there is inside.
Well, that makes sense.
Yeah. and also access um show me some of the other slides and other things that are in your presentation so we can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at.
Okay.
Yes. This is uh the Zed this is ah Mario Pinker. Maru Pinker was a researcher uh that he died the on 2011 12 and uh he was studying the zed which is the multi-layer monument let's call it a monument but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is uh inside the pyramid this is the
and this is the uh outlined image in the lower left hand corner.
Yeah, that's the tomography that we that we have retrieved. It looks very precise,
right? It looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What is the what do you think the function of that thing is?
Yes. Uh the function is um is is this uh uh it is you you see on the top of the structure there is something like
like a cap.
Yes, like a cap. uh that cap uh is has a a precise function to act attract the in the the vibration. Okay. It's an antenna in the in the vibration domain. Okay.
Antenna in the vibration domain. Yes. Okay. attract the the energy in terms of uh mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides please. Okay. Uh here I did a simulation. Uh now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF but uh I I um uh reproduced the function of the zed on the computer. Okay.
Okay.
And look on the right side, we have all the vibrations that interacts one to each other to each layer. Look.
Mhm.
And you can see that each layer. Look how strange it is. Each layer on the top of each layer, it is scattered. Look.
Okay.
On the top of the each layer and the bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a It is a low pass filter. A made by stones. Very crazy. This that's a low pass filter.
A lowass filter. What exactly is a lowass filter?
Yes. A low pass filter is a filter that allow us that that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a stabilizer frequency stabilizer and the low pass or a a certain low value frequency. Okay.
Right. And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory. Yeah.
That there was something underneath the the pyramid that there was a a chamber that was they were using to generate vibration and that that vibration would go through the entire structure.
Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer, look, transmits directly inside the the the so-called uh sarcophagus. That's not a sarcophagus there.
And so what do you think that what they call a sarcophagus? This immense granite box.
Yeah. Let's call it Yes. The gr the granite box. Yes. And then inside the granic box was done to contain a man a body. And that vibration look collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down.
So do you think there was actually a man inside that? So a person would lay in that box.
Yes.
And what what happened to them?
I don't know.
Whoa. So
I don't know. That's a simulation that I did, but it's precise.
So, you don't think it's for a dead body? You think it's for a live body?
Yes.
And so, a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever
Probably. Yes.
What do you think it was? Like, if you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind
Of vibration? These kind of frequencies and in this resonating granite box.
I can say something that is not scientific, uh, recognizing.
Yeah, that's what I want.
Yeah. Maybe.
Keep it up there.
What do you think? Maybe that person was ready to have an out-of-body experience induced.
Oh, like a gateway. A gateway to the spirit world. Look at on the top, you have the antenna. The antenna is receiving all the vibrations that transmits all the signal below directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting.
And what do you think was generating these vibrations?
Ah, yes, the natural, the, uh, the wind, the natural vibration, vibration of the earth, and also some, uh, let's say, uh, flowing, the, the flowing of water. Also the flowing of water and generated by.
Flowing water. And then there was also shafts that were, this is part of Christopher Dunn's theory, these shafts that reached the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation.
Can be. Yeah, that's another possibility.
Yes, another possibility.
He also had a, a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the, the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration.
For this, uh, can be. Yes, can be. But we don't boom through the entire structure and this is creating this vibration. That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it and then someone is laying in the sarcophagus tripping balls.
Yes. Is that.
Whoa. That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out-of-body experience or psychedelic gateway experience?
I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic Disney World.
I do. I seriously, I had, I had that epiphany like two months ago.
Really?
I don't want to explain it, but yeah. Uh, I was look looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at a like a Cedar Point, which is like roller coaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience.
Yeah.
That is only, uh, in reference, you only understand it if you live there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you'd be like, "What the [ __ ] They worship mice?"
What the [ __ ] are you talking about? This is insane. Look at all the pictures of mice everywhere.
That's so true. But you'd see that giant castle and there's rides everywhere and you, you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like or the teacups.
Right?
It's nonsense. It's fun for kids.
But also would make them feel amazing, but also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. You can put them all together and be like, you could feel like a god.
Yeah.
If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, "What the I don't know." It's I just had that wild idea one day. It's an interesting idea because if you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences and what more novel experience than a 2,300,000 stone structure that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west, aligns to the stars of Orion's belt.
Yes.
You lie inside a stone box and the vibrations hit you and you're in that box. More, more.
And naturally, you go out of the body.
What, who knows what it does to the body and the mind because we know that the mind is capable of producing indigenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard and we love music and and just vibration itself and and this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela supposedly to knock out all Maduro's troops. What, what could this thing have been?
Yes. Um, I am relative that the the principal actor of everything can be water, uh, vibrations. So sound, sound. But we, we are, uh, dealing now to the third, uh, a third thing. So the purpose, the exactly purpose of this, maybe it can, it can be also one more than one purpose, no more than one scope.
The purpose of the pyramids. The pyramids intended to be. Now, I am 100% convinced that the pyramids, uh, can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something, uh, con, uh, of something very, uh, huge, big, that is composed by things that are below the earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the earth.
So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape?
Uh, yes. Uh, probably because they have to resonate with the universe in, in, uh, in, uh, in some, uh, in they, they have to resonate with the, with the universe. You know, the universe, uh, the universe, uh, uh, jaw, it is, uh, it is not complicated. It's simple because the universe is constituted by things, the matter, the particles, the light, yes, but everything is, uh, regulated by some constants. There are the constants. So the velocity, the speed of the light, C, uh, 3 * 10 to the 8, kilometers/s. Then you have, so the velocity of the light. So you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants that are, uh, that arranges very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to, uh, be well related to the place that we live, to the universe, has to contain very precisely the dimensions of, uh, recasting the constants of the universe.
And that's what you think the pyramids did?
Personally, yes. Personally, yes.
How old do you think they are?
Yes. So, yes, on the, sorry, the, the Italian starts when I start speaking Italian.
No, it's okay. It's okay. Erh, the thing that, uh, we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the, uh, typical history books. So to see something that, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time, uh, into the Zep T. So more than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the earth. So, uh, the Zep T, uh, began, and in a time belonging the Zep T and the great flood, were built the pyramid, the pyramids.
So, like, what I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting.
Yes. Um, so do you have an idea? Do you, do you have an estimation? Like, what, what is your personal belief?
Yes. We can't say exactly the year.
So, Zep T, let's, let's explain to people what that is, since we're, I sometimes forget.
Zep T is the thing that I described to Zahi Hawass and he dismissed it. But there's this.
I've never heard of this.
It's an ancient kings list.
Yeah. And it's a list of pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years.
Yes. And, um, it's very inconvenient for modern academics. And so they like to portray it as myth.
And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know of, Khufu and Khafre, then they allow those hieroglyphs.
Yes.
But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology.
Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that Zep T, we have, we have also other ancient megaliths that are very old, recognized very old. So we have to deal with that.
Well, go back is a big problem also.
But more than 11,000 years old for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And as we saw.
Here it is. This is something that, um, um, I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is the Stella. It's a limestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid complex of Giza. And the text describes a Pharaoh Khufu, who ruled from 2589 to 2566 BC, visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. The Stella refers to Isis as the Mistress of the Pyramid, a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza plateau were already considered sacred before Khufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the Stella itself to the 26th Dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Khufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it portrays the Pharaoh as a restorer rather than the original builder. Whether the inscription provides older tradition or reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Khufu as restoring the pyramid.
Yeah.
Now, this exists throughout history. Um, the Temple of Tenochtitlan, uh, where the Aztecs had, when, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born.
Yeah.
And they found it. Like, people think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not.
No.
They, there was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs, and they built. So there's a longstanding history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this Stella is accurate, and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock's book. Um, so I, I sent this to Graham and his reaction was pretty interesting. What he said
to me was that, um, there's a strong suggestion that the Khufu pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Great Pyramid's eastern flank. And all that looked like damaging evidence against the orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt. It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza pyramids had been built as tombs and only as tombs. Uh, however, s, uh, rather than investigating the statements from the Stella, the Egyptologists, they chose to devalue them. In his, his quotes, they chose to say, "That's just inconvenient."
But if it's, if they are describing it that way, that that seems like this is a longstanding tradition of people finding things that exist. The earth's clearly, eg, ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff. But it seems like they're saying the restore.
Yes. Yes. I, I agree with you, Joe. Um, I tell you, uh, there are, um, some facts that we have to observe because I am used to observe before I, I say something. I have to observe. So I am not, um, how you say, an expert of pyramids because I am an engineer. I work on satellites. I am a space engineer. I'm, I'm not an Egyptologist like that, but I can observe. In inside the pyramids, they found a lot of salt that were, uh, attached on the walls. So they find the salt. Why there is, why there was salt there? First, second, the shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris? Why they are tapped? No. So, if the great flood is an historical, uh, parameter, recognized it. So let's say, uh, 11, 11,000, 12,000 years ago, let's say something like that. I don't remember precisely. The Zep T, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So between the Zep T and the great flood, we can locate the pyramids and the Sphinx.
Wow. So the great flood, we're looking at 11,000 plus years ago. Zep T, you're looking at 30,000 plus years ago.
Yes. We can say, I'm an engineer. I am, I, I put myself in the center between 30, 36,000 and 11,000. See if you can find some images of salt in the, in the great pyramids because it, it is quite fascinating. And if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea and massive flooding, which is depicted in every single ancient religion.
Yes.
From Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it. I mean, it's like almost all cultures have a story. Obviously Noah and the Ark and the flood in the Bible, but this salt.
Joe, two months ago, I went for the first time to visit the pyramids and I found salt on the wall. There is still salt.
And you think that salt is probably because.
I taste it. It is of water, of, uh, the sea.
Wow.
Yes. I forgot to, to, to bring it to you. Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later.
Which is really extraordinary.
And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded? And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded and filled with debris?
Yes.
Right. Topped off with debris, cuz everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded,
you're so many years later, you're left with salt everywhere.
Yeah. And that's why, uh, the reason that, uh, I don't want that people goes to work inside the shaft because they are dangerous, can collapse, the debris can collapse because you can have bubble of, of, of air and so it's dangerous.
Right, right.
Robots has to go.
Right. Well, it makes more sense. Robots are safer. And it's also like you.
So everything is connected. The great flood, the Zep T, and the pyramids.
Wow. If that turns out.
Convinced with that.
I, I am convinced.
That maybe 18, I, I go in the center, 18,000 or something like that. 20, between 18,000 and 20,000.
Well, what's crazy is, I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years.
Yeah.
Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000 plus years to the construction of the Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when Robert Schoch from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the, the pyramid and then, excuse me, the, um, Temple of the Sphinx.
The Sphinx. Yes.
Yeah. And the water erosion. He's like, "This is."
It's vertical.
Yes. It's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time there was like significant rainfall in the Nile Valley like that was 9,000 years ago.
Yeah.
So you're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion.
Yes. It is necessary. Now, when that's why this research and this activity that hope we will do it is very important.
Yeah, because this, it is able to rewrite everything. It means rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts, in those corridors, something that you could date.
Yeah.
And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, "What?" You know, I mean, this is, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom, than conventional the conventional narrative that's taught in schools.
Yes, I agree. I agree. Because, uh, as I told you before, this is time. This is the time to, to see effective what we, which is the exact date of construction, who made them, and how they made them.
But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, right? Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them.
Yeah.
We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing. If you're dealing with something that's 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what's going to be left? All the metal's gone. Everything is eroded. The earth has reclaimed. Most things, really. The thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy.
Yeah. And, uh, if we see, uh, the, the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say the, the Khufu pyramid, which I, I like it a lot. The Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big huge stones that com, that is composing the Grand Gallery, is very exciting. I like it a lot.
Did you have, uh, any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this? Or.
Joe, I remember when I was young, very young, I used to, uh, I had, um, uh, it, uh, how you say, I had, um, a personal computer, very old one, and I was always playing, always on, um, on something that, and there was the pyramids. They were always the pyramids. And there, in that meantime, I realized that I liked the pyramids. And so I, I was very young.
So the personal beauty, just researching the pyramids, is that what it was like? What do you say, just looking at pictures and images?
Yes. Yes. On the pyramids.
So you always were fascinated by, but did you have an understanding or even, uh, any questions about the timeline of civilization before this?
No. Never.
So it only happened within the last few years?
Yes. Yes. Erh, I began, uh, I began, uh, working, uh, so, being interested on pyramids, uh, starting from 2018.
So it was right after you started.
Doing this research.
Yes.
And you started saying, "Okay, what is this?"
Yeah. And so when you start to, to research on something that, that is, uh, our history, our past, our origins, because we, our origins are there. So we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there, because it is important that we, it is important to research our origin because in this meantime, humanity does not know, we don't know who we are. We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of, of who we are. And the most of the answers can be found in the, um, studying the pyramids.
Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created.
Yes.
And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting.
Yeah. And, uh, it is for me, very, it, it is something that I have, it always in my mind, only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they have transported the stones, and how, I don't know, how, how, how everything, how, how, like, what gave them the idea? Like, were there any.
Previous pyramids? Cuz it's weird because the older you go, the more complex the structures are.
And the newer ones are kind of shitty.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, okay. So, we went from that, we showed this antenna and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting?
Uh, I, um, I showed principally all the structures that are, uh, that are, uh, under the, the Khafre pyramid and also under each pyramid. And, uh, also I described the, uh, method, uh, uh, on how going below without drilling anything. And so I, uh, showed them, I showed them that there are the entrances are there, on our eyes. Everyone can see those, uh, those shafts. And so why we, we are not exploring them? Why they are so dirty? Why they are so without, uh, any kind of work of renew methods?
Yeah.
I don't know why.
Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all. BS. And also it seems like Egypt, an entire.
Economy is based on tourism. An immense amount of tourism because it's so fantastic. There's people from all over the world make a pilgrimage.
I, I also, I also, I also find, uh, a method to, uh, combine, so not stopping the, the tourism. No. So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimit the area, inside the area we work, and outside the area, safety, all the people can visit the py, the Giza, not only that, I think it will enhance tourism because if this speculation proves to be fruitful and you start looking under there and you find that there, there is evidence to all this, it's just going to make more people want to go.
Yes, I, I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe, we will find the structures that are underneath. No. And maybe we can try to build a huge, uh, lift that carry people downstairs in safety, always. Or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain, at a certain depth. So they can also travel along the horizontal corridors that are present. And so they go up from the shafts and they go, they go up from, uh, to the Khafre pyramid and they go away from, so the entrance here, and they, and they go intercepting the pyramids.
That would be amazing.
Yeah.
I mean, it would just be much more tourism.
Yes.
Yeah. And also the, all eyes would be on Egypt. I mean, it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archaeology because more young people would get fascinated by it, want to study it.
Yeah. And, and imagine, imagine also this. What can we find below down there? What can, what can we find? This is a question that I am asking because if we watch the, the, the slide concerning the shaft that I want to, that I want to clean, there are things inside it. It, I am showing that, that, that there are things located inside the, uh, chamber. Look, there is something.
What, what is that?
What are you seeing? When we're talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom and there's a chamber? Is that what you mean? That one.
Yes.
Right there. So that structure that is at the bottom.
What's that?
I don't know. Was that.
Right?
It's very huge.
Very huge. And it's at the bottom of the shaft.
Yeah.
Look, the horizontal corridors.
Mhm.
And so there's more horizontal corridors during the, when you traverse down into the shaft. Then you, there's, you intercept.
Right.
Other corridors. And how large are those corridors?
By about 3 meters tall.
So there's three. So there's these 3 meter tall shafts.
That go to the side. These corridors that go to the side.
Yes.
Along the way, and then also down at the very bottom.
Yes.
And you're convinced of this. This is all data, right? Um.
And no one has ever sent a camera down there or anything.
Those are human man-made structures, like, uh, a ring on another ring.
Mhm.
Look, it is, it is very clear, right? If you observe the structure, those are man-made and they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is, uh, on the bottom.
All the debris.
The debris.
And that debris, you think was a lot of it because of the flood?
I am 100% sure of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the Giza plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the, the working. We don't know which kind of work, uh, were used to do, but stopped because of the great flood. So we can go back in time in, uh, 12,000 years ago. And when people's, the people that don't know, if you're hearing this, like, "What great flood? That's just not, that's just myth." There's a thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. And the Younger Dryas Impact Theory group that's been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the earth that are allowed around the 11,800 year mark. And then I believe, I believe again, in the 10,000 year range. Uh, Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that. But that they find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth, but there's a layer of it. They also find these nano diamonds, uh, that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So what is it called? Trinitite? Trinitite? Is that what it's called? What are those?
Nuclear glass. What is that called? Trinitite. Is that what it's called?
Some, uh, some something related to vitrification.
Yes.
Okay.
So, this exists all over the world. And it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth.
Yeah.
And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been hit.
Yes.
Yeah.
But another scientific indicator is the debris. Why there is that debris there?
Right? Why so much?
So much.
Right? Why so much?
If, if we do core drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how, how deep we can go. So why there is all, all that debris there?
We don't know.
Right. But which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with saltwater.
Yes.
That it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft.
Yeah.
Completely makes sense.
Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, we, if we do the chemical, chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because they were mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soil also.
Also, you could get dirt from the very bottom. Yeah. And get some sort of organic material and carbonate that. And maybe you can get an understanding of like, maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft.
Very interesting. Yeah. Yes, it's possible. Can be possible.
Crazy if they did that and it lines up directly with the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence.
Either way, just what it is, that we know that there's immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way. Hey, these corridors along the way, like all of it is just nuts.
We saw, I was looking at the Osiris shaft here. Um, the shaft.
Mhm.
Okay.
Just near these other ones. Uh, when they found it, there was water down there. They had to get out. And the water is not only cold, ice cold. It says it's clean enough to be drinking water.
Whoa.
And I don't know that it doesn't. It sounded like it refills itself. Oh, so there's a spring down there. Well, that is also the problem with the Labyrinth. So, the Labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there. And this is through ground penetrating radar that they discover this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's an unknown metal. But they built a dam there, I believe in the 1960s, to help the farmers. And unfortunately, that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose.
And that entire Labyrinth is now filled with water.
But through ground penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus, who described it. See if you can pull that up. Uh, Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the, the Great Pyramid area, more complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves.
Yes.
My God.
My God. Like, what was this civilization? These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us, just in a different way. Including us, just in a different way. H, just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is a difference between the water table, which, of course, is composed by drinkable water, and the water that they found, uh, compounding the, uh, the Osiris shaft, and the water that transported all the debris. But that water was, uh, uh, uh, salty water because of the great flood. So it was, uh, water, um, of the sea, composing the sea.
Which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids. This is Herodotus's quote. "I've seen it myself and indeed, words cannot describe it. Though the pyramids beg description, and each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks, this maze surpasses even the pyramids."
That's crazy. That's crazy that he said that. And if, have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like?
Uh, no. But.
See if you can find some of that because we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough. Uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwick.
This is what apparently is underneath this area, which is just [ __ ] staggering.
Wow. How nice.
This is all underground. And so I think we, the next, uh, the next, um, uh, site that we can study can be this.
Yeah.
Yeah. And a.
And if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is, that's, that's when things get weird. That's when things get real weird. Cuz you find a spaceship down there, then things get really fun. I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space? Who knows what they could do? They're lying in a gigantic stone box tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. This, the structures go how long? A kilometer. The entire thing into the earth.
1.2.
1.2 kilometers into the earth. From the base of the pyramid down, 1.2 kilometers.
Wow.
Wow.
Wow. This has changed. I mean, from 2018 to now, from you researching this, and does this change your entire perspective of human history and and just human beings in general?
In my personal opinion, yes. Because, uh, before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we can, if we, if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens.
More impossible than before.
Right. More impossible than. I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology trying to recreate something like that, you're talking about an immense project that would cost.
Hundreds of billions of dollars.
If not more.
And the engineering involved in it. You're an engineer. The engineering involved involved in doing something like that, like.
How?
How they can cut the granite so precisely is impossible. It's impossible also today. It's impossible.
So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics.
And they probably went in some completely different direction.
Yeah. Yes. Because, uh, the modern science started from a point and then, as you, you are, you are saying, right, we, we followed the, a direction which is the direction of light, because most of, our inventions, our, yes, internal combustion, uh, engines and, uh, and other stuff, but principally we use light because we can see. We can see it. We can see light. Okay, we use light. But other, other existence, other people that that was, uh, uh, living in the past, maybe use other things that we don't know.
Maybe sound.
Maybe sound.
Well, it seems like if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct.
Yes.
That they were obsessed with vibration and sound.
Yes, they were obsessed in vibrations and sound because all the structures that I, that I watched inside the, inside the pyramids, they are like something that generates sound or they maintain clean the sound.
It resonates. Sound echoes. It has a very specific echo to it.
The Zed like that is is magnificent. The Zed is a is perfect. It's a perfect device made by stones. It's very nice. And just how, how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? And this, this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression and civilization to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, oh, we figured this out, then we figured the wheel out, then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars.
But more likely there was some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level, probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down, and it took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again.
Yes, Joe. And then we are, we are speaking about modern living, but modern living has to be sustainable, right? I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable.
No.
No.
I mean, even our population isn't sustainable.
We're in population collapse in many countries in the world. South Korea, Japan, even there's arguments about America itself.
That we're in population collapse.
Yeah.
And we're also chaotic. We, we also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda.
Yes. Lies and propaganda. Yes.
We have the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. You have a, we have a weird society today, but it's also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before. And that is, that's the most exciting thing about our time.
Yeah.
Because there's so much room for discussion. I, I want to, if, if I can, um, to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or, or to other things. Erh, we have an example of how, uh, um, modern humans are a bit strange because we, we are not, uh, made, it is like that, we are not made to research, uh, to or to find the, uh, harmonics, the harmonics in our living. And so, I just want to make you an example. The, uh, do you remember in the 80s when the, uh, cold fusion rises?
Yeah.
So.
Maybe we, we are speaking about Fleischmann and Pons, that made for the first time, they, they had a glass of water and inside they made a, a mini nuclear reaction reactor. Inside, they had some results that were very, very poor results. I know, but was a base to build something stronger. They put away that that experiment. So no, they debunked that experiment. It was not good. It is not good because it is not possible. And the example of the cold fusion is how we are because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Resonance. Why, how it works, cold fusion. We have two atoms of, uh, um, of hydrogen. We start, erh, um, we start putting together these two atoms, but while we put together these two atoms, the, there are the atomic forces that tend to, no, I don't want to stay with the other atom. But then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together and it transform, it is, they are transformed in helium plus energy because of mass, the mass difference. And so you can do energy by fusion. This is fusion, not cold fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms that they don't want to stay together. So the force, force together, and this, that is hot, yes, that, that is hot fusion. Cold fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. Okay. So today, uh.
What method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally?
Yes. You, you have to find a third material that convinces the two atoms to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple, you have a couple, a girl and a man, they don't, they don't want to talk one to each other. If you put a, a third person, uh, between them, at the center of them, and she, and maybe a third person convinces the man and the girl to speak together, and they will speak together. Okay. So the third material, which is palladium, they use palladium. Palladium has the, a physical property to make speak together the two atoms and without forcing them, they naturally transform into helium and they, and they generate energy because the helium has a mass lower than the two atoms, with mass difference, you will.
You will generate energy.
And doing this at scale is really the holy grail of modern science. And this has always been the quest.
Yes. So we have two paradigms. Convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. And so the, the street that you were speaking before, science had this street. We want to have things by using force, not convincing.
Right. And that's where we are. That's nuclear power.
Yes.
Nuclear energy.
Yes. Because, uh, I tell you, today also, hot nuclear fusion does not exist because it is very difficult to, to make a, a huge reactor that use the Tokamak or something related to laser that uses that, that forces together the atoms to, it's something not natural.
Right.
Cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that that.
It is the, the right creation. That was the past.
They were the right creation. They, they were, they were doing it the correct way.
Yes. Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature.
In harmony with the nature and in the universe. And that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. It is not difficult. It's very simple to read the universe.
Okay. Show me more. Show me more of this, uh, presentation.
What else do you have in here? When you go from, from the, the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus. Yes. What else?
Yes, we can go to that slide. This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject by far out of all subjects. Ancient history and particularly ancient Egypt is my favorite subject.
Okay, we stopped to speak.
This is so undeniably interesting. H, if we can go a slide up. Uh, here, look here, we are dealing with something that, uh, uh, happened, uh, in 2020, 2022, after this, uh, after our paper was published because these results are on our first paper. Look, Joe, that slide there, that, that lower.
Yes.
You depict chambers that were previously not known.
Yeah. Right.
That's the big void.
Right. The big void.
That's the big void. And then there is the chevron connecting with the corridor, the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zahi Hawass.
Wow. They made the paper, but, uh, they, I, I depicted six months before.
So you let them know it was there and then.
That's the corridor. That's the corridor.
You found it.
That's the corridor. Yeah.
I don't want to say that I found it, but.
Well, you found it. I'll say it. You found it.
So your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established.
Yes. And again, how crazy is it? They're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century.
Uh.
Pretty spectacular that they're just finding this now.
And just yesterday, I was to examine it again there. I don't have it. I don't have slides here. I'm, I am sorry. But there are the results of the ScanPyramids project. The ScanPyramids visual is very good. I, it is a, they are, it is a very nice, uh, project, project group. And they discovered the, uh, the so-called, um, big void. But, uh, there is a problem because they say the big void can be something parallel to the Grand Gallery, so not steady, but inclined, like inclined.
And inclined, right.
Examining results, I was observing something. Maybe I say, maybe I can say that I am right of this. Maybe they are, they are mis, they are confusing an inclined new chamber by the top of the, they are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery like that. I observed the results, but in my personal opinion, the big void is not inclined, but it is located where there is that red blob there.
Mhm.
That's the, the Grand Gallery. Yes. There. And also up. Yes. That's the Grand Gallery. It is not inclined. It is flat like that. It is, how you say, is, um, steady, not inclined.
Right.
Um.
That's the Grand. Why do they think it's at an incline?
Because we are not seeing, we are not, my technique does not detect, is not detecting an inclined, uh, chamber on the top of the Grand Gallery.
Why do they think there's an incline?
Yes, because they found two targets parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the, and the lower part of the Grand Gallery.
I see.
Okay. They have to be careful.
Interesting. But it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate because you did describe, you have.
We can see the, the, the results that, uh, I, uh, that I, um, obtained on the Granaso. We can see the Granaso and the laboratory of Granaso. That is the, a perfect, um, uh, benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique.
All right. Show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide.
Uh, below, I think. Ah, okay. Okay. We go to Gubbio. This is a, a town where I live. I am, uh.
This is Sacahan. Sakahan. Yes. This is Sakahan. And, uh, here I am showing you the next, uh, work that we can do, once the Giza scanning activity are finished.
So this is in Peru, correct?
Yes.
And so you want to scan this as well because, uh, you know, we've had quite a few people on describe this.
Yes. Look, Joe, the stones are like marshmallows.
Yes.
They are like marshmallows. How they did those, those.
Right.
Those things there?
Enormous. Some of them hundred tons.
Carved from stones that, who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes. Right. The idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be much less likely to move in an intense earthquake.
Okay. Go back just a few words on this city that is small town that is located in Peru, where I live. Um, uh, look, um, uh, the, the Italian, the authority of this, of the city of the town asked me to perform a scanning around that colosseum that mini colosseum that is located in Gubbio because probably there is a huge Roman city, not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there.
M.
So a lost Roman city that's around that area.
Yes. Yes. And I say hello to the people of Gubbio.
So is this the next thing that you're going to do?
Uh.
One of the next things.
One of the next.
But Sakahan is also. Yes.
Yeah.
Ah, and there is also Caracora, also. Very interesting. The, the slide 51, please. Yes. Yes. Caracora. Yes. This, this is located in Russia, and there are huge structures inside there. And, uh.
This is in Russia.
Yes. Yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy.
And how big are these things? Can you keep that up there?
Find other pictures of it so you see what it looks like. Just keep this up just for a couple seconds. I just like how, how big are we? What are we looking at here?
Yes, we have 9 + 16 + 7 + 10 + 36, and they go below. So maybe two or 300 meters below.
Two or 300 meters. And there's this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors.
Yeah. And, and it goes more, more deeply. And so they, nobody knows what there is. And if you look at that image, it's clearly a man-made structure.
It's man-made. Absolutely. Yes.
I mean, look, there's stones. They're, they're placed.
Yeah.
That is nuts.
That's crazy.
And they don't, they, there's no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it.
No.
Wow. So, it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered, probably all over the world.
Yeah. Yes. The, the nice thing of this is, is this satellites are global, globally. So one satellite flies from, let's say, South Pole, North Pole, South, South Pole, like that.
Right.
Because of the angular momentum conservation, the, let's say, the wheel of the orbit remains steady, and the Earth rotates inside this circle. The circle remains steady like that. So at least once a day, one satellite can observe potentially any part of the globe in one day.
M.
So you can program snapshots where you want in all the Earth in one day.
And how many satellites are up there?
Ah, there are, uh, uh, the satellites that, uh, contain on board of them a payload, uh, composed by a synthetic version.
Rather, there are a lot. There are different satellite companies that, uh, provide these services. So, uh, today it is possible to decide to observe something. Okay. I call the company and they put, uh, for me an image.
>> And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by explorers?
>> Manually by explorers.
>> Manually? Yes. And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it?
>> That man, because there is only a, a, a man that went down because it's very narrow. But once you go down, be, everything becomes very huge and large. Measure it manually all those depths. But more there than then you can't go because maybe it's too narrow. I don't know. He's okay.
>> Did you find any images of that, Jamie, online?
>> I'm looking into something. I'm stuck in a hole. Hold on.
>> Someone was sort of saying it's in a different spot and now I try to track it down. These are also weirdly only getting talked about over the last month. So I am digging down a different path.
>> When did they discover this?
>> This I don't remember.
>> 2011.
>> 2011.
>> That's crazy.
>> The fact that they don't know who made it or why,
>> but it is clearly man-made. You're seeing these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other.
>> Yes. And you have the same, uh...
>> Oh, okay. It says it's currently known from fringe social media and YouTube style sources rather than former archaeological publications because it hasn't been explored. Correct.
>> Yeah. It's 15 years ago, though.
>> Yeah. Pretty, pretty nuts. But I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as straight and polished, suggest, suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor, Perplexity, that we run all of our questions through, and it's always been very accurate. Said to lie somewhere between in the Russian Caucasus, often simply, uh, described simply as North Caucasus or Caucasus Mountains, uh, with videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stonework techniques. Crazy that they don't know who made this. There's no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs that describe the site formally named the Carahora. Is am I saying that right? Carora?
>> Kahora shaft.
>> Caror shaft, which strongly suggests the claim has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology, but, you know, look, it exists.
>> Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't matter. Like, what, who made it? What is it?
>> Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed.
>> And it just, it makes you think, like, if they just found that in 2011 and
>> manually,
>> right,
>> and maybe doing a, a wide, a wide, uh, research by satellites, maybe starting from there or other sites between that, that Kahora, maybe we will find other things.
>> Right. It could be a part of an enormous complex. I mean, who knows? But just the fact that that exists and that a human made that or humans made that, that's crazy. The whole thing is crazy because it really, like, anybody that, boy, the modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle because, like, you can't, at, at a certain point in time, you have to give up and go, I don't know. And that's an I don't know moment. Like
>> yes, this and I don't know.
>> What the hell is that?
>> What is that? I don't. Show me some more images, Jamie, cuz it's really kooky.
>> of the shaft.
>> Yeah, just that, what that looks like.
>> That's, I'm trying to. It's, I'm digging down a hole and it, there's a post here on...
>> Yes, there are.
>> This is a, like, they're misinterpreting something.
>> This is Jay Anderson, who's been on the podcast recently.
>> This is the tweet I found. Uh, how about some fat chunk car, um, in the Kab Kabardino-Balkaria Republic, North Caucasus of the Russian Federation is a different place from Carakoto. So Carora and Carako. So there's more than one place.
>> I'm, I'm trying to. I haven't. I'm just googling stuff. It's, it all comes from this one video, it seems like, because everyone's pointing to this video, and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff.
>> It's got 3 million views from 2024. Forest, I can see how it goes when it went viral, you know.
>> Mhm.
>> But, uh, it starts off with just showing that, and I don't, you know.
>> So this is probably the entry to this area.
>> Maybe. But again, no one knows. They can't tell you where that is, like, on a map.
>> Right. Got it.
>> Look how precise they are.
>> So, I, this might be...
>> Who knows.
>> Yeah. Could be real, could be nonsense. Well, the, the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation is just bananas. But whatever this is is...
>> That's, I don't know where it's from. You know, it could be...
>> Right. Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through? So here. Okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like.
>> And I don't even know.
>> Yeah. So someone else has done narration on it. Mhm.
>> It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show.
>> God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts.
>> Yes.
>> I mean, it's clearly looks like something man-made. Look how precise they are.
>> Yeah, it's crazy.
>> That's man-made. It's absolutely man-made. There are also a comparison what with the with the dimensions of the dimensions.
>> Wow. What the hell is that? That means what the hell is that? It's crazy. And they found it in 2011. Yeah.
>> I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff.
>> I mean, that's one of the things about Gobekli Tepe. They've only observed 5% of it.
>> I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered and, and through ground penetrating radar, they know of multiple sites nearby.
>> Yes. But ground penetrating radar has a problem.
>> What is the problem?
>> The problem of ground penetrating radar is, uh, the penetration depth is few meters. Enough.
>> So it's a pro, there is a problem of penetration depth, but in that depth, you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters you below, you can't go.
>> Right. But using that method, they have found all these structures that exist. It's a good method, uh, for, uh, in situ exploration. Yes. And so you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to to perform a wide area, uh, rough, let's say rough, um, uh, scanning, you, you can use my method. So you can, you can find huge things on wide area. For the, the details, it's okay. Ground penetrating radar.
>> Um, is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think? Okay, show me some more stuff.
>> Yes, it's a pleasure.
>> Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me, too. Thank you. Thank you for being here.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you for inviting.
>> Uh, Carora, is that how you say it? Carora. Kora.
>> Carakora.
>> Carakora.
>> So, this is a Carakora. So, that image, go back one more time to Carakora. That, so that's a legitimate image. That's not AI generated. This is, this is these guys standing in...
>> Clearly what looks like megalithic stones stacked on top of each other.
>> Clearly man-made.
>> Yes. Clearly man-made because look, you see...
>> Yes.
>> You see the blocks?
>> Yeah. You see the blocks? It's [ __ ] nuts.
>> No, but okay, we can, we can understand that it's possible, maybe it's possible to build something like that.
>> Sure, it's possible.
>> The purpose?
>> Right. The purpose, and when, and who, and what civilization?
>> Right? Like, who did that? That is insane.
>> What even is that?
>> What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's ropes that go across and that's what you're seeing.
>> And you're seeing...
>> That rope go, where's his arm and where does the rope go to?
>> Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall and that rope goes across and you're just not seeing it because of the darkness.
>> Is that like he's leaning against something there, too?
>> Uh, it looks like he's got his hand on that wall. That opening. There's an opening in that shaft. Um, so what else is next in this, in this presentation?
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Which way should I go?
>> Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. Go back. Then we have Gubio. And there here we have the Osiris shafts, which we use this shaft, the Osiris shaft, like a benchmark because we, we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the shaft? Because it's a benchmark that we know, uh, exactly how it is established and, and, uh...
>> So it accurately depicts the Osiris.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Um, what else?
>> Okay, let's go there. Okay. The, uh, 43, 43. Yes. Uh, this is, uh, uh, the Sangotard tunnel. And here, uh, I made an exploration using my technique, uh, in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel that it is, uh, approximately 2 kilometers below, uh, the, the mountain. And the slide 44, uh, we can, uh, understand that in this case, the Alps, the, the mountain resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain. So it's like a photograph, a photo, uh, picked up or, um, uh, synthesized in in that case, uh, we can see the slide 45 and 46, we are detecting the tunnel, the, the tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the earth. Wow. So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> This is some really stunning stuff.
>> Yes. That I can explain you other experiments. We can go starting from, uh, slide 36. Okay. Slide 36. This is a dam, and this very, it is a very important dam. It is the Mosul dam that is located in Iraq. Uh, is very huge, is 300 meters tall, has a height of 300 meters, and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a, a, a huge amount of water from the, uh, upper side. There is the water that contains, and below there, there is the river that, uh, uh, the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Mosul dam? The Mosul dam has a problem. Uh, it has been built on a, a bed of gesso. How you say, gypsum? Gypsum. Yes. And gypsum is, uh, um, while is in contact of water, it melts. So the Mosul dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. In this case, uh, there are a lot of, that's called satellite methods and synthetic virtual radar methods that are devoted to, uh, perform the so-called infrastructure monitoring. And in this case, the Mosul dam is crucial to be, uh, observed by radar. In this case, I wanted to see the, the slide 37, please. Erh, here, uh, inside the dam, look that there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel.
>> Mhm.
>> And here we have, uh, we have, um, uh, we have, uh, uh, people that are working, uh, inside the tunnel. And the, the task was, my technique is, with my technique, is possible to detect the tunnel. We go in slide 38. Okay. And we see on the, uh, right top, there is the tunnel.
>> Just to explain you where you see red, the vibration energy is high, so it's red. When you see blue, the vibration has energy is low. Okay, it's low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the air, you don't have vibration. So it's low, and so you see the tunnel.
>> Okay. And so we were also able to detect, slide 39, also the principal facilities that are, uh, located inside the dam, which are the turbines.
>> The turbines.
>> The turbines.
>> Right.
>> And, uh, and other stuff, and all the mechanical, the mechanical, um, machines. This is all the mechanical machines that are located inside.
>> All right. So it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. So this is just more proof that this technique works.
>> Yes. And so we go, uh, slide 31. On slide 31. Okay. Here, this is the Gran Sasso. Uh, how nice is this? Uh, is for me very nice because I, I born here.
>> This is the particle collider.
>> Yeah. Inside the, the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the laboratory here. And, uh, and the, the task was, can I, uh, detect the facility that is inside the mountain? And so, uh, we, we are now, uh, in the slide 32 and 33. Okay. And we can see, okay, the facility that is INFN, is the Institute of National, the Physical Nuclear.
>> Mhm. You see the shape of it in there?
>> Yeah. National Institute, uh, of of Nuclear Physics, the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics.
>> And that's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain?
>> 1.4, four. And, uh, yes. And slide 30, 35, we, we can see, we can see the, the laboratory.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. This is the laboratory.
>> That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> And that's that, that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers that, uh, and goes together and they, they, and it, uh, you can study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer, and that's the interferometer. Wow. This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing, and I, I, I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey. Yeah. You know, and I think that your work and this research and all the controversy, all the controversy around it, is just going to make more people talk about it, more people discuss it, and more people understand. And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up, and that it is, without a doubt, one of the most astounding discoveries in human history.
>> Yes.
>> Thank you, Joel. Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work because, I mean, uh, like I said, is to me one of the most fascinating subjects. And, you know, what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia.
>> Yes.
>> And...
>> And I agree with this with that.
>> And, you know, it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him is because he was right. He was right in the 1990s, you know, and as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct, and things just seem to keep getting older.
>> Yes.
>> It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I really, really appreciate your time and I appreciate your work and...
>> Thank you for inviting me.
>> My pleasure. Let's do it again when more stuff comes out.
>> Okay, I'm here.
>> If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you, uh, send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive?
>> Yes. Um, I have a personal website, which is harmonicsar.com, and I publish.
>> Say that again.
>> Harmonicsar.com.
>> Harmonicar.
>> It's man. It's...
>> Synthetic aperture radar is SAR. So harmonicsar.com.
>> Yes.
>> Filippo Beond.
>> I mean...
>> You're the man. Thank you, sir. Really appreciate you being. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.