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I think it's interesting that you're saying he's being used as a political shield. Now, you're not saying that get the contract. Jay-Z was brought to the NFL's table to deflect from the fact that they didn't want to give Colin Kaepernick his job back. Jay-Z knew he was being used as past interference.
He knew he was being used as past interference. And if you remember when he first came to the table, he got a lot of backlash from black America. Remember, they got on him about that. So you not going to do nothing about Kaepernick's job? No, he ain't going to do nothing about Kaepernick's job.
Look, they say the sky's the limit. I'm going for the next she blowing on my phone so I come get your daughter. They just want a little bit of fame. Get them boys and boy get a hardhead. They said I'm going try to but can't kill me. I'm immortal. I just bought a new life that you lazy 12 to the fullest asking for a bullet cuz he never felt one stick to the wall. It's a nail gun with my dog trying to nail you.
Yo yo yo, welcome to what's up there podcast. I am your active and attractive host for another episode of the fastest growing show in coach. I want to send a salute to everyone that's ever watched. Come to patreon.com right now for the vibes. Be a part of the congregation and the conversation. Today I got one of my favorite recurring guests. He's probably one of the only people that I track down. One of the only people that I'm like I'm going to be patient with Umar. He's somebody I really enjoy having conversations with. With that being said, man, we got Dr. Umar Johnson. How are you, bro?
Peace and pan-Africanism. Glad to be back. It's up there podcast, Nashville Stand Up.
Yes, sir. Man, I missed you.
We missed you.
Yes, sir.
A lot to talk about, a lot to address. Um, you're someone that I like to give my props to you. My mother called me today knowing you were coming. I always tell you, she appreciates you.
Give her my blessings.
Yes. And she out.
Yes. Shout out to moms. And she says, "When you get on there with Umar, you make sure you give him his props like you do some of these rap guys that's your buddies." I said, "Me and Umar always, we always get."
Yeah. How how have you been, man?
I've been all right. How long has it been?
Uh, we was here, you were here maybe last year, October, or maybe it was earlier than that. Maybe August, September.
Wait a minute. You mean August that just passed or August? A year?
Last year.
Not August of 20.
Right? Cuz we in a new year. We in a new year. We deal with October, November, 6 months.
Yeah.
I remember we dealt with Shannon Shaw and Brian Clark. I thought you were saying like 18 months.
Hell no. I ain't going that long. Right. We come on now. Yes, sir.
No, we fuel culture with our conversation. I I won't go that long. Ever. Ever. Ever. We got to see you over here.
The the tan Kente club t-shirt I had on.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. Um, has anything changed with you?
Nah, everything's been well. Life been good. Life been lifing, you know. Everything just been positive so much, you know.
Right.
Yeah.
How was your trip?
Quick. Nice and quick. It was all right.
Delta is always a blessing. I love Delta.
White folks always asking you, "Who are you?" Cuz they see all the black people stopping.
Yeah.
You know, taking pictures and they like, "Who who are you?" I'm like, "Nobody. I'm just an activist."
You know, black people love you. That's one thing I will say. We want to start I want to start with something that I seen online. Druski posted you.
Uh-huh.
Um, for people who don't know, Juski was seen courtside with Sky Brie. She is a Only fan star.
Okay.
And he posted you and said, "Dr. Umar, I'm sorry."
Okay.
She is a snow bunny. What is your response to Duski posting you and um him going that route?
Uh, shout out to Duski. Of course, politically, I don't support interracial relationships. Uh, I don't support it for anyone. That includes Duski. Uh, I don't know why they were courtside together, so I don't want to be presumptuous. They could have just been hanging out. I didn't hear him say he's dating her. I didn't hear her say she's dating him. So, for all we know, just two celebrities went out to enjoy a game together. So, I'm not going to make too much of it. Uh, I think he's very clear on where I stand as it relates to interracial relationships because of the conversation he and I had on one of his episodes of uh, It Could Have Been Love.
Yes. So, you know, he knows exactly where I stand. With that being said, I think black men need to stop playing around when it comes to interracial dating. Uh there was a report that came out not long ago that said at the current rate of misogynation in the black community, if black men and women, but mostly men, continue to reproduce outside of their community, by 2050, most African-Ameans will be mixed race and they will not identify as black. which is to say that we may go down in history as being the first population ever to eliminate themselves.
So it's not a joke anymore. Everything we're talking about from reparations to criminal justice to the survival of H.B.CU, none of that will matter if we erase ourselves from the American population by constantly reproducing ourselves. It only takes about three generations to eliminate your phenotype. If I have a child with a white woman and that child has a child with a white woman, my great grandchild will probably look Caucasian and could probably pass as Caucasian. And even if he can't pass, he's not going to identify as black. So we literally eliminating ourselves. So that's why when we have these conversations about black power and black progress, my question is what rules are we putting around behavior?
Uh,
There has to be rules to behavior. Right now, we don't have any rules to behavior. There's no code of conduct for black men or black women or black youth, and we're suffering because of it.
Do you think that interracial dating really would be the cause of our demise in that way? That literally will be.
We're almost there.
I mean, right now, it's looking like interracial dating will be the demise of black America, which is interesting, right? Because we got this war going on between African continental African immigrants, Caribbean African immigrants, British African immigrants, and the American Africans who built this country.
Yes.
And I'm standing back saying, "Y'all got all this smoke for these African immigrants. Some of it justifiable, but if you don't do anything about the fire in your own house, think about this now. If you don't do anything about the bunny hopping in your own house, you won't even be around to complain about the African immigrants. Think about that now.
30, 40 years from now, there won't be no African-Americans.
It'll still be African immigrants. It'll still be Caribbean immigrants. And it'll be biracial blacks.
Wow.
Think about that. So when are we going to address the fire in our own house as opposed to poking fun at and criticizing others for not standing with us? Because although that's important also, I think the bunny hopping crisis where we are risking extermination of ourselves is far more important than all those other problems put together.
You know, but there's a comedic side that you do lean into online, right? When with some of your content, I think it has lended itself to your reach. Some of the people take some of your content and they place it here and there and some of the blog sites that you wouldn't see your normal conscious, you know, activists on, you actually appear there. And I think it be it's because you don't have the traditional conscious content. You do speak about the snow bunnies and I think you're comedic sometimes.
So if Duski is utilizing the comedic angle,
Is that still okay? So if that applies to Drewuski that we have to stop messing around, does that apply to you as well?
It applies to everyone, but see, I don't mess around.
Not with snow bunnies, but just with the 55 thick in the thighs.
But I'm not messing around with that because that's my type.
Okay. So, you see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's not a joke.
No, it's not a joke. Ultimately, it's about the respect of the black woman. So, it's a metaphor because think about it. Up until Kim Kardashian and these other white models decided to become five five thick in the thighs or larger than what they were, right? Most black women were going out of their way to destroy their natural black look. Remember, they didn't want big thighs. They didn't want big ass. You go back 20 years ago, black women were having bulimia problems, anorexia problems. You follow me? Binge eating. Uh throwing up on purp. You understand me? They wanted to be small and teeny. They wanted to look like Bo Derek, you understand?
So, it wasn't until a lot of these white actresses and models decided that thick lips was now sexy, a voluuptuous backside was now sexy, then black women started to embrace their own natural beauty. But it took white women to say your ass is beautiful before black women could tell their asses were beautiful. You see what I'm saying? So when I say 55 thick in the thighs, that is a metaphor for black women to embrace their natural beauty.
Right now I I have seen people try to weaponize that side of your um rhetoric or or the things you speak about. How do you respond to that or what's your feeling about that?
Give me an example.
You know, people just say that you you speak so highly about the black woman and hold them up so high and then sometimes it can feel like you're sexualizing them. I think that over my entire body of work, people will see that the aspect where I address the sex appeal of the black woman is minuscule compared to the overall message. You know, of course, it's going to be there because I'm still a man, right? And on a human level, we are attracted to one another. But I think the main message of respecting our women and being loyal to our women and protecting and upholding our women, I think that far exceeds any jokes about the curves that we love.
Right?
Because if that were not the case, I would not be as popular as I am black women.
Do you think that helps you or will that be part of your demise that you're leaning into that? Right? Because most people on your level will hide their, you know, some of their sexual appetite or some of the things they may like.
They running around with white girls in public.
They running around with white girls in public, but they hiding. So the 55 thick in the thigh is the direct counter measure to the snow bunny. Do you see that? So you out with your white girl. I'm saying 5'5. When I say that, you know I'm not talking about no Asian. You know I'm not talking about no Caucasian. You know, I'm not talking about no East Indian because they are not generally found to be voluuptuous. You follow what I'm saying? You know, they flatty patties, most of them, right? It's not until you get to the Latino where you start to see the African curve, but that's because the Latinos, right?
Have almost as much African ancestry as we do. They just don't identify with it.
Okay. And then, you know, I do think that with you, you know, being so forthcoming like that, I think it black women love you for that.
I see black women light up for you.
For sure.
Right. It ain't And I don't think it's natur necessarily sexual, but it's like it's an energy. He He He understands us. He represents us. He goes to bat for us.
That's what I'm told. I was walking through Chicago O'Hare airport. I'll never forget this one sister cuz I get it all the time. I got it today. But I was walking through O'Hare maybe a year or two ago. She was older than me, maybe late 50s, early 60s. And she stopped me. She was very serious. She said, "I want to say this to you. I'm thinking she's about to criticize, right? Cuz you know when that energy come, but it wasn't." She said, "I want you to know that you have done so much for the self-esteem of black women." She said this. She said, "I'm telling you, as an older sister, I appreciate you because you're the only brother I know who tells our men not to date out the race." She said, "I listen to all y'all conscious brothers. Some of y'all agree with, some of y'all I don't. But you're the only one who consistently tells our men to date their own."
And that's a fact. That's a fact. So, I think as much as it may be weaponized by some of your naysayers.
Oh, for sure. The detractors, they will weaponize everything. They weaponize the color of my socks.
Yes. Yes. Yes. But I but I also think black women appreciate it. And that means far more.
They do.
Right, to the community, if you ask me, than some of the people weaponizing it because you haven't been known to do a lot of things that will cause for people to say, "Hey, what the hell is up with Umar?" So, and not only that, you also have to keep in mind that even within our community, you have organizations and individuals who do promote the black woman, but they only promote a certain type of a black woman.
She has the wavy hair. Yes.
Or she got the lighter skin. They'll say, "I love black women." But when you look in their organization, almost all the women out front are high yellow or mixed race. You see what I'm saying? So it don't have the same resonance because even though you saying only date black women, you're constantly pushing a light skin, wavy hair, mixed race, almost racially ambiguous type of a sister. Whereas Dr. Um, I'm pushing every color. That's why I say the chocolate, the butter almond, the butter pec, and the fudge. I make sure they understand and I make it clear, I don't care how light she is or how dark she is, I'll date either side.
Right. Let's talk about Shabuzzi and Jelly Roll. Shabuzi was um accepting the Grammy at the Grammy Awards and he said some things that kind of had black community having a conversation online. He said that immigrants built this country.
And he was speaking directly to uh his people.
You know, and the hand that they had in building America.
And the last thing I want to say, immigrants built this country literally. Um actually um so this is for them now for all children of immigrants. This is also for those who came to this country in search of better opportunity.
Black people were offended by that online that I seen. What is your position on that? And do you understand why people are offended by that?
Yes indeed. Uh first shout out to Shaboozi. I never heard of him until somebody sent me first of all I reacted to the meme. I didn't know who said it. I didn't know he got an award. I never heard of him because I don't follow country music. Right. I just saw a meme that said immigrants built America. And I said, "Here we go with that again." Right? Because they're always trying to push some alternative narrative to take away the fact that Africans built the foundation of this country. Right now, let's say you go out and build a house, Lon. You dig up the ground. You lay the foundation. You put the bricks. I come in after you built the house and I help keep it running. I didn't build the house though.
No, you did not.
Maintenance is not construction. Do you feel me? Maintenance is not construction. African immigrants may come, European immigrants may come, Canadian immigrants may come, Asian immigrants may come. You may participate in the maintenance and the expansion of the house that American Africans built. You see that? We built it. No immigrant built this but the enslaved American African. But after I made my response because I didn't know it was for Shabuzzi, right? I went to go look at the clip and when I watched the clip, him and the Caucasian gentleman, they won a Grammy, a duo for best gospel performance, I believe it was. And so I watched his speech and in watching his speech, I cannot say that he meant to intentionally slight the American African people. I didn't feel that. I just felt like he was given accolades to the progress that immigrants have made in America. Now, he could possibly be criticized, although I wouldn't.
I think it would be a little bit petty given the occasion, but he could be criticized for not pointing out African immigrants in particular. He said immigrants. So, he put himself within the context of all immigrants. He multiculturalized them.
Right. And you need historical precision. Absolutely. Absolut. So he could be criticized. Absolutely. He could be criticized on that aspect and he could also be criticized on the aspect that right after that he made a statement where he said if you come to America and I'm paraphrasing him, if you come to America, America will give you a chance as long as you're willing to work hard for it. Some people would have saw that as a slight towards the American African because a lot of our continental African brothers and sisters when they come here, not most but many like to talk about how hard they work as if we don't work hard.
Yes.
So when he said work hard and you'll get a chance. First of all, we know that's complete crap.
Yes, it is.
That is% saying that is if you work hard in America, you will make it is complete crap. I can take you to prisons with people who worked hard and ended up in prison because they couldn't feed their family. So working hard in America does not automatically translate to success. Nor can it because we live in a capitalist society. In a capitalist society, exploit the many.
So everybody who works hard does not succeed. In my opinion, that comment would have probably bothered me more than his comment of immigrants having built America because you went to that other stereotype that African immigrants work so hard and American Africans don't. When the research clearly shows we work harder, black women, American African women, the descendants of the Africans who built this country have more degrees than any other population, including the African immigrants. So you don't work harder. You are not the threat that we are. And I need my continental African brothers and sisters to know this cuz I love them. I'm a pan-Africanist. So, we all won. But that also means as one of the leaders of the Pan-Africanist movement, it is my job to check anybody who disrespects or misrepresents the struggle of another branch of the African family. So if I'm in Africa, and I've had to do this before, when I've taken my trips to the continent, sometimes American African or British African brothers will say something to disrespect the continental family. You don't know they struggle. Watch your mouth. And so when the continental Africans come here or the Caribbean Africans come here or the British Africans come here, I got to check them. You don't know our struggle. Watch your mouth. Because if it wasn't for us, you would have never got that job. If it wasn't for us, you would have never gotten to Harvard. If it wasn't for us, you would have never gotten to Yale medical school. If it wasn't for us, you couldn't have married that white girl. Although I wish that was a law we never fought for. If it wasn't for us, you could have never lived in that suburb. If it wasn't for us, you would never got the scholarship. You see what I'm saying? So, you literally are building your life off of the blood of my ancestors and got the audacity to turn around and insult the blood that gave you an opportunity to thrive in this nation. That's disrespectful. Although we are all African and I mean this to every branch of the family cuz I don't love no branch any more than the other. I am true pan-Africanist cuz there's a lot of hypocritical panafricanist out there. I'm going tell you. Okay. You will say pan-Africanist and they will practice cultural chauvinism.
You feel me?
In what way?
I've had it done to me in Africa where I've been around certain prominent Panaffricanist and they gave me that energy.
Yeah.
I don't really mess with you.
Yes. Cuz you got to remember anywhere I go in the world I'm the most popular person in that place except for Bkina Faso Ibrahim Trey and he just took that spot for and he just took that spot right anywhere else I'm him everywhere.
Right.
And some people don't like that that I'm bigger than them in their country bigger than them in their city bigger than them in their town and that's where a lot of the envy comes from because they don't understand how he been so hot for so long when most of us have died off. So you you over here in America fighting on behalf of the whole race.
Right?
And then you're telling me that you're being slighted by in certain circles when it comes to pan-African.
Absolutely. And that is because a lot of people don't know the true history of Panaffricanism.
I see the memes on social media.
Let me say this first one time to close out on the Shaboozy point.
Yes. I'mma give him a pass because I really don't think the comments were that disastrous to earn the rebuke that they got.
Okay.
At the same time, I understand why many American Africans responded that way because there is a tendency for some of our African immigrant brothers and sisters to push a false narrative that they work harder than us when we're the reason you got a chance to work at all over here.
Exactly. We opened the door for the work to even get done.
It was harder opening the door than it was doing the work.
You didn't shed blood for the rights that you have. We shed the blood for the rights that you have. So imagine you give your life for my right to immigrate to this country to become a doctor, lawyer, or an engineer. and I poke fun at you after your death for the fact that I think I'm doing better than you and you built at this moment.
Here's what I need every African immigrant to understand when you come to America. I don't care if I'm talking to my Canadian brothers and sisters, my Australian brothers and sisters, my South Pacific brothers and sisters, my Central and South American brothers and sisters, wherever you may be on the great African Kingdom. You are not a threat to the white power structure of this country. That's why you're allowed to do what you want because if you get out of hand, you can be sent back home.
It's that simple. We are the only non-white people in America who can never be deported loan because slavery destroyed our connection to our ancestral motherland. They can't deport us. There's no other group of people in this country who cannot be deported. So they're not going to give you the same opportunity they give a Ganaian African. They're not going to give you the same opportunity they give a Nigerian African. They're not going to give you the same opportunity they give an Ethiopian African. Because if the Ethiopian starts getting out of hand, they going back to Ethiopia. You see that? You can't be sent nowhere. So there is an intentional effort to control the pace of progress on behalf of the American African. And the problem with some of our continental family is they don't know that history and they think that when they end up with more than you material materialistically or scholastically, it's because they worked harder. No, it's not. If you look at how hard you work, it was no more than we did. But you were allowed to achieve a little bit more because you are not a threat, right? We are the threats.
Yes. Let me ask you this. For someone who who doesn't know, like say Sha Boozie is watching this.
I also seen Jelly Roll deny to have a conversation about Jaylen Rose.
Jelly Roll.
Jelly Roll. The white guy.
Yes. Yes. Yeah. You saw him did not have a conversation about ICE and about politics, right? He didn't want to have a conversation in that moment, right?
And he's been, you know, dragged online as well for that. But if Shabuzi is watching this, or even better than that, if a young black boy is watching this and he's confused and he says, "Doctor," he's saying, "Dr. Um, please explain to me the role immigrants played and the role that Africans played as it pertains to America." How would you put that plane?
I would say that African immigrants from around the diaspora, right? Africa, Australia, Canada, they enriched the salad that we had already created. Imagine you go in the kitchen, you make a salad, right? I look at the salad. Lon got the lettuce, the tomatoes, the cucumbers. But Lon ain't got no raisins. Lon ain't got no apples. But Lon made the salad bowl. Lon grew the cucumbers. Lon grew the lettuce. Lon grew the tomatoes. He did the bulk of the work. He laid the foundation for the solid. I could come in with the dressing. I could come in with the cheese. I could boil the egg. But guess what? The hardest work was done by you. And then I come in and add the egg and the cheese and the dressing, the nuts and the raisins. And then I lift this up to the world and say, "Look at what I did. All Lon did was give the cucumbers and the lettuce into tomatoes." But without Lon's cucumbers, tomatoes, and the lettuce, you're not even in a position to put the salad in.
You understand? And so that's what we want the African immigrants to understand. It's not that you didn't contribute.
I can name you African immigrants who contribute significantly to our culture and what we've done just like we contributed to that. Right? The black power movement. They got that from us. Pan-Africanism. They got that from us. You see what I'm saying? Pan-Africanism didn't come from Africa. It didn't come from Trinidad. It didn't come from Ethiopia. It came from the enslaved American African. It was us first, then Haiti second, and then Trinidad and Jamaica came. You see what I'm saying? But we were first. The first pan-Africanist was Paul Cafe right here in in Massachusetts in the United States. The first act of pan-Africanism was Prince Hall of the Father of the Black Mesa. He was the ones who went to the Massachusetts legislature and said they need reparations and they want to go back home to Africa. You see what I'm saying? I wouldn't consider him a pan-Africanist, but that was the first act of pan-Africanism. But Paul Cuffy was the first Panaffricanist. This is before the Haitian Revolution, right? So we're first pan-Africanism came from us. Today is February 13th. Today is the day that Henry Holland Garnett grandfather panafricanism. This is before Jamaica. You understand me? This is before them. Henry Holland Garnett was the first black leader to give a speech to the US Congress. He gave it today, February 13th, 1865. He died on the same day 17 years later in Liberia because he wanted to go to Africa and fight for the empowerment of Africa from that side. He built one of the first pan-Africanist organizations in history. He's way before Henry Sylvester Williams. He's way before Holly Salasi. He's way before wami and Kruma. He's way before Marcus Garvey. You follow what I'm saying? So when you talking about pan-Africanism that was born on American soil by free and enslaved Africans during our enslavement, pan-Africanism was birthed here. The first conference on pan-Africanism was not Henry Sylvester Williams 1900 Panaffrican conference in London, right? Henry Sylvester Williams was the Trinidadian brother. He had the conference in London 1900. Uh-uh. The Chicago conference on Africa was 1894, 1895. Predates that. But if you don't know the whole history of Panaffricanism, you start saying we did it. We did it. We did it. We did. But here's my thing. We all did it.
You see, just because we created it don't make us better than nobody else because that's what I'm saying. make us no better than nobody else. But it's important to make sure the historical record is accurate because the Haitians the Haitians have a very strong case for the role they played in pan-Africanism because guess what? They were the first nation in the world to say if any black man makes it here, he's a citizen here. Before Ethiopia, before Ethiopia respect, it was the Haitians. That was John Deselene who said, "Any black man from America, if you can escape them chains and make it over here, you one of us." Remember Denmark Vzy, the slave revolt in South Carolina. Denmark Vy was going to get a ship and sail to Haiti. Most of them wanted to sail to Haiti. You see, and not only that, the first four presidents of Haiti, guess what they were doing on the open sea? Intercepting slave ships filled with our ancestors.
That's hot. You feel me? I respect on the ship and taking it.
See, this this is the history need to be told. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But see, if you're an artist like Shabuzi and and we do want you to use your voice as a tool.
Yes.
But he needs talking points. They need understanding because when you speak that way and the historical context is missing, it can be weaponized or it can be utilized in a way that you wasn't intended for it to be used.
That's true. But I'm going to say this. You're absolutely correct. But I want to add this clarifying point. Education does not replace emotion. This is what I mean. Loom. I can tell Lon the true history of pan-Africanism all day. But if Lon wants to continue to say that pan-Africanism started here or pan-Africanism started here or pan-Africanism started here because he is an ethnic chauvinist and wants to put his people above others, right? The education don't mean nothing cuz in your heart you think your people are better than other black people. Do you see what I'm saying? So we can educate Shia Boozie and the rest of them. And I'm sure he's a good brother. I don't know him, but I'm sure he's a good brother.
But we're speaking to the prototype. We're speaking to.
But but what I'm saying is the mindset, case in point, the white man. We can educate the white man all day. Is he going to stop being a white supremacist? No.
But I think I think the white education stops.
I think the white man may have a better reason to ignore it. But I think Shabuzi or some not even him. Let's not those young black boys like him. they may be hungry for the information because I I look at that also while he did not have the historical precision he needed. I do look at it like he's trying to be a warrior like he's trying to use his voice.
I would give Shia Buzzi a pass cuz I don't from what I saw I don't know him. I've never heard any interviews but from what I saw I didn't see a brother who was trying to intentionally slight the American African people. I really felt that for the most part he was innocent in his ignorance.
Yes.
What do you all say about the negro and the.
Yes.
The negro is innocent in his ignorance. He just don't know. The knows the truth but tr chooses to play a Uncle Tom anyway. You feel me? I think Shabuzi was innocent in his ignorance.
Right. Yeah. I I do too. But but I would also tell young boys watching that it's important to understand that slavery was like it was cohored labor and it was 400 years of yeah it was 400 years of free labor and that built their core wealth.
Right you see what I'm saying.
Gave birth to the industrial revolution gave birth to capitalism if it wasn't for slavery there would have never been a European industrial revolution textile industry because you gave yourself a 250 year head start in America, 350 to 400 year head start in England, Portugal and other places, right on the on taking unfair advantage of human beings and treating them as personal property. Never again will you see that happen in human history. Y'all did that because it took the rest of the world over a century to warm up to the idea that your culture is very beastlike and anim animalistic that you don't have a moral code at all. No type of integrity when it comes to what you do to other people. And so it was that anim animalistic instinct of the Caucasian that gave him an inhumane advantage over the civilized peoples of the world. And so the civilized people became the victim and the uncivilized people started calling themselves civilized and calling us univilized.
That's crazy.
Trading places.
That's crazy.
Craziness. Craziness.
Craziness. Let's talk about the Super Bowl. Um the Super Bowl performance in particular also has some black people online um in an uproar. And I think.
What were they saying? The black people. what was their point?
So, some people saying that it's an American sport and you have someone speaking a language that Americans cannot understand. It's not our first language. So, they're saying that why would an American sport have I think it was the same point you make about Eminem when you say that Eminem shouldn't be allowed to come in hip hop and be put on the grand stage. They're saying the same thing about Bad Bunny saying that he should.
I'm going to disagree with him.
Okay. Go ahead.
And I'm going to.
Remember your position about Eminem. Okay.
And I don't think the two are comparable.
Okay.
Eminem is participating in a cultural art form created by African people. He's a visitor in the house. Right. Bad Bunny again, who I never heard of until the Super Bowl.
Yes.
He's not a visitor in the house because the house is stolen property. You cannot dictate how somebody behaves in a home you don't own. If Lon breaks into a mansion down the street and I come and stay with Lon and Lon start telling me I got to pay rent. I'm telling Lon pay rent to you for what? You don't even own the house. So, how can you dictate Bad Bunny's behavior at the Super Bowl because you claim it's unamerican when this country is unamerican because it was not your property. You stole it. So, if anything, go to the Native Americans and go to the Native Africans and ask them if they had a problem with what Bad Bunny did. But you can't go to the white man and say, "Did you have a problem with Bad Bunny's performance?" Because the white man has no entitlement, no right whatsoever to dictate how people behave in a country he stole.
Right.
In addition to that, Bad Bunny is Puerto Rican.
Puerto Ricans are citizens of America. The United States will be 250 years old on July the 4th. And guess what? The United States has never had an official language until Donald Trump recently signed an executive order clarifying English as the national language of America.
So if he's speaking Spanish at the Super Bowl, why is it a problem if this country doesn't have an official language? Right? I'm going to be honest with you. My respect for the man and I don't even know him. It went through the roof because I saw a Latino artist put Latino people on the map on the main stage on the biggest stage.
Yes.
In a way I've never seen a black artist ever do for black people.
What do you think about Kendrick's last Super Bowl performance?
I thought Kendrick performance was good, but in no way form of fashion.
You didn't see any black symbolism in that. I think his whole push was trying. Okay. He did not highlight no artists. The closest one I'm going to give is Beyonce when she highlighted the Black Panther Party.
100%.
Be I'm going to put Beyonce over that because it was clearcut what she was doing. Right.
Bad Bunny though. Lon, he highlighted every aspect of Latino culture from the grass they grow to the farm. He even had a Latino couple get married right there at the Super Bowl. Talk about some Latino on Latino love. Saving the Latino family. Look what he did. He had them playing cars. He had them drinking. He had the music. He had the love. He had the family. Every aspect of Latino culture he promoted. And then he hit you with the with the pan Latinoism as I would hit you with the pan-Africanism. He started shouting out all the Latino countries.
Yeah.
In other words, this ain't just about Puerto Rico. I'm going to go with the whole Latino movement. You see that? Right.
So that was pan-Africanism but flipped into Latinoism. You follow pan Latinoism. And so what he did I almost felt embarrassed because I've rarely seen a black artist showcase black culture the way Bad Bunny unapologetically did for his people because it was if nothing else unapologetic. He didn't speak English. He didn't try to bring a English speaking artist on it. He didn't try to pander at all. He stood on his heritage, what they stand on, and he went for what he knew.
He went hard.
Yes. Now, we talked about the cultural. Let's talk about the political. Why did the Super Bowl before we go there? Because I think you we're going to cook there. Before we go there, I think another reason let's talk about if if we could be upset in the same way we we were upset about Eminem cuz I still want to speak about that. Two different things.
I know you do, but I'm going to add another layer to it, which is Jay-Z is the person that is curating.
I don't think Jay-Z made that call.
100%.
I don't think Jay-Z made that call.
Rock Nation has the deal. They have the deal. the deal. But.
Well, it's going to be blamed on him whether or not he made the call or not.
We agree on that. You feel me? But if I'm Roger Goodell.
You may be my entertainment.
Yes. But cuz you remember Kendrick got backlash for calling Drake a PDF.
Yeah. So you saying this is an NFL thing? They kind of stepped in and said we're going a different route under the umbrella of view. Yes. Especially because you let him get up there.
Yes.
And throw these innuendos at a Super Bowl.
And from a business perspective, appealing to the Latino community, which is an untapped market for the NFL.
Exactly. Now.
The reason they went there, Trump just kidnapped the president of Venezuela. He got ICE agents all over America kidnapping Latinos of every ilk, deporting them. America looks real bad in Latin America right now. This was a propaganda stunt to improve America's image to the Latino people. Why? Because America has more to do in Latin America. Bad Bunny does not get that stage if the white power structure doesn't have plans for Latin America.
Wow, that's deep. The underlay for the overplay. Watch how it comes. Now, you know, by default, if we entertain that, by default, we're saying Jay-Z is controlled.
All black celebrities are controlled.
You You don't think black celebrities?
So Jay-Z still hasn't broke the chains with his level of wealth.
You can't tell me you're fighting your entire life to break these chains and it's impossible to break them. You're on the same fight to break whatever chains that come. You're you're a celebrity now. I hope you know that by default.
Exactly.
Not by intent. It don't matter. No, it's a difference. You sir, let me tell you why there's a difference. Let me tell you why there's a difference.
Celebrities by intent. I want to be a rapper. I want to be an actor. I want to be a comedian. By intent.
Your whole career was spent making deals with white people. I've never made a deal with a white person in my life. I am free. As free as you can be, on a plantation. You understand? Jay-Z got contracts. Kendrick got contracts. Rihanna Beyonce got contracts.
I need you to know that was the name of a album. Kanye.
What was it called?
As free as you can be on a plantation.
As free as you can. Cuz I'm still on the plantation. I don't own this. But I'm as free as you can be. I have no agreement with no white person anywhere. And I get white people who contact me all the time. I can take you to the next level. People love you. I can do this for you. I can do this for you. I can't do it, Loom. Because the minute I sign with one of y'all, I'm no different than the rest of them. Right?
You see what I'm saying? I got to be the exception. Am I perfect? No. But I'm the exception because I'm the only one who's known on that level who can say I have no contract with no Caucasian. You can't name me a comedian who can say it. You can't name me a rapper who can say it. You can't name me an actor, a dance. Who can you name in the world of entertainment who can say I am not beholden to white people at all? I'm the only person I know.
That's the I'm you the only one I can say with confidence that I have not seen take a white deal in any way.
In any way.
Yeah. And that's the way, you know, I don't tell lies. I don't have a reason to. And [ __ ] know I don't do no capping or nothing. But here's the thing. Let's get back to the Jay-Z conversation cuz I think it's interesting that you're saying he's being used as a political shield. Now, you're not saying that get the contract. Jay-Z was brought to the NFL's table to deflect from the fact that they didn't want to give Colin Kaepernick his job back.
Jay-Z knew he was being used as past interference.
He knew he was being used as past interference. And if you remember when he first came to the table, he got a lot of backlash from black America. Remember, they got on him about that. So, you not going to do nothing about Kaepernick's job?
No, he ain't going to do nothing about Kaepernick's job. And I'm not going to call him a sellout because I have to see what your Mavelian play is. See, I thought.
Selling out or buying in.
Exactly. I thought hoping Jay would say, "Let me buy a team and let's give an NFL team its first majority black owner cuz none of them have that." Maybe that still is his play.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's probably the play. Sometimes I got to wait to see a long game.
But so far I haven't seen any game.
Yeah. No, for sure. Now, let's talk more about Bad Bunny's performance. So, you're saying that I want you to button that up. So, you're saying because the way that America is being viewed from a Latino perspective, from a Latin perspective, they did that to kind of sweep some of that under the rug.
Absolutely. That was propaganda.
Wow. I didn't even think about that. Because Latinos are not a large percentage of NFL players.
Do you follow me? NFL just like the NBA.
That's why people were outraged. They're saying that Latinos are not represented in this market. Like where did this come from?
And I think you're saying the political push. I mean, I don't have any evidence to the contrary.
There are Latino players though.
Yeah. Of course. Of course.
Just not the majority. Of course, they're minority.
Here's my thing. America took Texas from Mexico. Puerto Rico is a colony of America. America tested all kinds of dangerous vaccinations and other things on the Puerto Rican women. Remember, the Puerto Rican women were tested with the first birth control pill. Yes, they went sterile and everything with the birth control pill. So when you look at the human rights abuses against the Puerto Rican African family by the.
United States of America, whether there is a Latino football player or not, just by virtue of the hell that my Latino African brothers and sisters have caught, they had a right to that stage. You feel me?
What about the the Paul where did you watch it? Did you actually watch the performance? Yes. Okay. Did you see the two guys gyrating and kind of on each other? It was I saw a steel shot. I didn't see it in I seen it live. I saw the I saw the steel shot. We do know Bad Bunny is pro LGB. Right. Right. So why would we ignore that? We have to ignore it. I didn't appreciate that. Okay. I didn't appreciate that. Right. Yes. And I think that go now he claims he's not LGB. He just supports. Right. But I didn't appreciate that. Yes. And I would have rather he had left that out. But I understand he stands on that and it wasn't excessive. Although I wish it wasn't at all, but it wasn't. It wasn't excessive. You're right. But it it was on the It was It was prime time. Like the shot they gave it was still He still It was It was nothing else really going on and it was like focused on.
You just gave me an idea. What did I just say a minute ago? America tested the first birth control pills on the Puerto Rican people. We know that the LGBT agenda was pushed through the shadow government by way of Barack Obama to reduce our population. Is it possible that America is trying to sweet talk the Latino people into another population control campaign? Think about because I was wondering who agenda is this like who agenda? The white man's agenda. Oh, it's a white man's agenda. They want Latin America. The white man has plans for Latin America. Let me give you a little bit more game on this. As someone who speaks in the Caribbean on a regular basis, we do know the white man is trying to colonize black Caribbean islands. They're going in there buying up the properties. They're going in there stealing the properties because white people are tired of living north of the equator. They want to live close to the equator or south of it. They're tired of the cold. Right. They want the warm. Right. Yes. Yes. And so they're trying to bait Africans to move to Europe and take their place. Same thing they doing with us with the suburbs, right? Come move out here. And they come right back into the heart of Nashville. They come right back into the heart of Knoxville. They come right back into the heart of Chattanooga, right? Let's get these silly negroes since they love being around us so much. Let's entice them out and we going to take. And that's prime real estate. That's what they're doing in the Caribbean. So guess what's next to the Caribbean? Central America and then South America. So, is it possible that the white man next colonization act will be Central and South America?
Also, as it pertains to Bad Bunny and his performance, I don't know if you're aware of this, but multiple House Republicans push for probes into the NFL, NBC, and even FCC regarding over Bad Bunny's halftime show, calling the content illegal and objecting. Illegal how? provocative material and the show being mostly in Spanish. No, because America did not have an official language until Donald Trump's executive order. I don't think they win that, right? I don't think they win that. And America constantly propagates this concept that this is a land of immigrants. Yes. How can you deny them? Think about it. You don't even have to speak English to get services in this country. If I have to evaluate a child who speaks Spanish, they get a translator. You follow what I'm saying? So, America has catered to the Spanish speaker for the past 50 years or so. Now, we not going to cater to the Spanish speaker. I don't think they win that fight. You know, they also had Kid Rock and others do their own kind of halftime show to take away from it, but it didn't work much. Kid Rock still got about 6 million views, but that was nothing compared to Bad Bunny. They saying his viewership may have been the most in history or something like that. Yeah, Complex reported the wrong numbers. We had a we were on an email chain yesterday where they said that they had to retract that. I think he's number five. Kendrick still beat him out. Okay. Um and I think Mike is two. So I think it goes Kendrick, Mike, Rihanna. Um he's somewhere on that list. Yeah.
But in my opinion, as I said, I felt embarrassed because I've never seen a black artist put black culture and history on a stage as big as that as unapologetically as Bad Buddy did it. He repped his people in a way we seldom do. No, that's a fact. That's a fact. I I wanted to speak to you also about there's there I'm getting a growing understanding of a movement called FBA. Okay. Panaffricanism and FBA. How do they contrast or complement one another? Okay. Well, first of all, pan-Africanism is the black man's oldest formal political ideology. We gave birth to the first free independent black nation in the world, Haiti. Right. Pan-Africanists are some of your greatest black leaders, your greatest black organizers. If you're looking at achievements, nobody compares to pan-Africanists. Nobody. Hebrews, Moors, Nwapians, Gods and Earth, Nation of Islam. I love them all. Nobody compares to Panaffricanism. If you want to go achievement for achievement, you can put all them together. You don't touch us. Okay? And I say that respectfully, but it's the truth. Okay? A D O SFBA. Respectfully, I'm going to go with both groups cuz they represent basically the same thing, but there are differences, right? So, [ __ ] which is a descendant of No, they're first. FBA comes later. Okay. Okay. But they both exist. FBA is more popular, right? Okay. [ __ ] FBA. I don't have a problem with the American African people seeing the need to make it clear to other branches of the global African family that when you come here, you need to be clear that we built the house and rolled out the carpet for you. be respectful in my home the same way you would want for me to be respectful in your home. So the concept of that American African identity, I have no issue with it. It needs to be done. It needs to be said. This is not new. What is new about it is the adversarial stance that they are taking towards African immigrants who come here from the diaspora and the energy that they give them. The negative energy that they give them which supersedes the negative energy you give to the white men who enslaved you then and oppresses you now. There's nothing a continental African immigrant can do to me that can supersede what the white man has done to me. There's nothing a central South American African immigrant can do to me that can exceed what the white man has done to me. So why is it I can have so much vitriol, hatred, disrespect, animosity towards someone who looks like me just because they came from another place when the white man who's responsible for my hell here, I'm never giving him half that energy. And then on top of that, it's contradictory in this way. You still identify with the white man? You are a black American since when? So you'll call yourself an American, but you'll never call yourself an African. Think about that now. After all I've been through in this country, I'm still going to wave their flag. After all I've been through in this country, I'm still going to use their colors. after everything I've been through in this country, I'm still going to identify with the plantation and call myself an American.
So, I don't have an issue with the concept. I take issue with the strategies. What about if someone is saying that all right we look at anyone that is putting in our place and getting access to resources that belong to us because we are they built their cold wealth off cohored labor from our people but you can come in as a African as a quote unquote immigrant and getting certain access to things that maybe the foundational black Americans what they call themselves else believe that, yo, that's our stuff. And so I don't look at the African any different than I look at the any other, you know, ethnic group that comes over and tries to take that place. If that's the case, where is your campaign against the Latinos? Cuz I don't see it. Where's your campaign against the Caucasian immigrants? I don't see it. Where's your campaign against the South Asian and North Asian immigrants? I don't see But see for things so let's what I think fragmented everything is the reparation talk and so I think the reparation talk a lot of the foundational and I and I'm you know I could be speaking out of school but my limited understanding of it is I think that they believe that the reparations belong to descendants of slaves.
Well I'm going to say this as a pan-Africanist cuz we invented the reparations fight. It don't come from FBA. It don't come from [ __ ] This was around before they were born. You feel me? Panaffricanist gave birth to it. Reparations for me is not about different groups and sects of the race fighting for their crumb off the big pie. This should be one fight, one reparation. Do you feel me, Loom? We can split it up how we want to split it up after we get it. But by you fighting divided for the same restitution, you're playing right into the hands of your enemy. There was one slavery took some of us to the Caribbean. There was one slavery took some of us to the Americas. There was one slavery took some of us to Central and South America. Right? But there was one African slavery. So the Africans of the world from the continent to the British, Canada had slavery. Australia had it, right? We should all come and sit down. Let's fight this together. See, I think they reject. You would get it quicker. Yeah. You would get more because guess what? It's a united front. But because we hate each other more than we hate racism because we hate each other more than we hate racism. I don't want to unite with no black Africans. I don't want to unite with no Caribbeans. And you got Africans saying the same thing. I don't want to unite with no descendants of no slaves, right? I want to fight my own thing. So Echoise got their own fight. Black British got their own fight. Canada got their own fight. Black America got their own fight. And it's sectionalized sectarian. Everybody communicating with each other. So the white man going to play his old game of what? Divide and conquer, separate rules.
That's why I wanted to have a conversation about the FBA and the Panaffricanism because that's what's going on. Although I hear when you speak, although you're pan-Africanis, I hear some of the stuff I hear from foundational black Americans. Well, remember there's nothing wrong with advocating the rights of your unique group. A pan-Africanist in South Africa can speak up for South Africans and still recognize the greater vision and greater goal of a united race. You see that? So as Panaffricanists, we don't just focus on the whole. That's the goal, but we also got to take care of our people where we are, but where the So I don't have an issue with the American African people having a black agenda for themselves that they need to carry out. It's only when you start criminalizing and antagonizing other Africans as if they're responsible for the condition you in. balloon. There's only 3 million African immigrants in this country. They are not the group most responsible for siphoning off from your set aside. You know who that would be? White women, homosexuals, and Latinos who they rarely ever talk about. And you know, again, and let me also say this, Loom, let us be honest. What do we know about the psychology of oppression? The victim often imitates the victimizer. The oppressed often imitates the oppressor. What do I mean by that, Lon? I don't want to be the most oppressed person. I got to find somebody and put them beneath me so I can look down on them and mistreat them. And it's back and forth between black Africa and black America. A lot of this is victim consciousness. I don't want to be the lowest, so I'm going to victimize and step on the American African. I don't want to be the lowest. So I want to victimize and step on the African immigrant because in America we're the lowest. We are the lowest in the social order. I'm not saying we internalize that. I'm saying that's the white agenda. We don't want to be the lowest. So rather than build myself up, my hospitals, my schools, my banks, my trains, my import export, you see that my my industry, my own trade market, stock market, rather than build myself up to compete with everybody else. I'm just going to demonize.
But what if it's about what if it's about so I have somebody lower than me cuz I want to do to somebody else what the white man been doing to me. And we all have that disease. I'm speaking universally. Every African group in the world, cuz remember now, I've met them all. They always looking for somebody to put under their foot. If I can't beat the white man, let them join them by having somebody under me, too. So, but if you But if it's about resources and reparations, so if it's about reparations, right, for for for Americans, descendants of slaves, cuz I agree with you. I think it shrinks the coalition when we have like, you know, [ __ ] and FBA and pan-Africanism and regular just black people who ain't doing nothing. Pan Africanism. Our focus is the whole. We're the only philosophy in that is inclusive of everybody. Nobody else has that. They want to make you a Hebrew. They want to war. They want to make you a Christian. They want to make you a Muslim. We don't have that. We believe in freedom of religion. We are about unity of the race. We see the African race as a family that we want to be cohesive. We playing the long game and we are the only philosophy that has ever been ever been pointed out by the white man as being a threat to his system. You ain't going to see no FBA on no documents. You ain't going to see no [ __ ] on no documents. You ain't going to see no Hebrew, no more, no Wian, none of that. And I love them all. But what the white man said in his security memorandum was what? We cannot allow the black African and the black American to unite at all culturally, economically, or politically. If they do, that would significantly undermine our global agenda. Yeah. See, you looking at it from a globalism is the threat, not this other crap. You don't care about none of that stuff. That's just smoking mirrors. People looking at it from a global. We the only thing he worried about, right? Yeah. Yeah.
So, do you agree though that Americans, black Americans deserve reparations? And if so, who who has to play? Deserve reparations. So, all for for what happened in America? Well, remember, slavery happened to the race. That's where we're going to, you see, that's where the disagreements come in because slavery didn't happen to black America. Slavery happened to Africans wherever they were taken. what they did to me here is no different than what they did to me in coastal. But America don't have to pay for that. We saying if America says we're giving reparations for what happened to black people in America, who does that go to? I disagree. Let me clarify. There is no America until July 4th, 1776. But my ancestors got here under British North American slavery. Not the Spanish. They were there first, right? But Spanish don't control the United States of America, right? Anglo-Saxons do. America was born of the 13 British colonies, right? That was born July 4th, 1776 alone. So under whose control and dominion were we from 1619 until 1776? The British. Am I wrong? Who Jamaica want reparations from? The British. Do you see where I'm going with this? Who Ghana want reparations from? the British. Who Nigeria want reparations from? The British. So for the American African, to your point, Loom, from 1776 until the present, that's the USA. But from 1619 to 1776, that's the British Empire. See, and it's the same land. You see, and that's why I think the conversation has to be had because.
I think the point you're leaving out, there's a self-hate aspect to this, too. And I know the [ __ ] FBAs, they're not the pretendians. And I say that respectfully because at least with the [ __ ] FBAs, they admit their ancestors came from Africa. They just are of the opinion that that don't matter no more. I don't know how you get there because as the honorable Marcus Messiah Garvey said, a people without knowledge of themselves is like a tree without roots. I would love to see a FBA history book for their kids. I I would love to see an [ __ ] FBA history book for children. If they ever build an [ __ ] FBA school, how are y'all going to treat identity in history? Because y'all cutting yourself off from your root and you identifying with a man who's trying to get rid of you. That's the weakness of the movement. Loom. I'm. Who is that they're identifying with? Say that again. Who is that? They're they are identifying with this Americans. Okay. They both of them call themselves Americans. Both groups. So they identifying with the plantation. Okay. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. Okay. Okay. Yes. But they cut themselves off from the ancestors. You see that? To me, that is the greatest shortcoming of that movement. Ain't nobody taking me from my African roots. I don't give a damn what game y'all want to play, but you ain't doing that. There's spiritual ramifications for that. There's political ramifications for that. There's economic ramifications for that. And let's go political lon. Only a idiot only a idiot will cut themselves off from a meaningful relationship with other nations. You cannot survive in this world without allies. Do you understand me? Especially when you are a numerical minority. Why did Cuba surv how did Cuba survive America being 90 mi off the coast loom? Because Cuba had Russia, an international ally. The American African people need Africans as allies. We need our Caribbean brothers and sisters as allies. We need our South and Central American brothers and sisters as allies, not enemies. Yes. So you mean to tell me you fighting a white man who's an enemy, and I'm going to make an enemy out of all my black brothers and sisters around the world? That is insane.
Yeah. I don't I don't agree. And it's not one-sided. I want to be clear, Luna. African immigrants are just as guilty of this sectionalism and division. I want to be very clear cuz I've seen the feed. People sent them to me. Yeah. It is. I'm not saying the [ __ ] FBAs are more liable for the racial divide. They're not. It's equal. Some of the stuff I've seen continental Africans say about American Africans is unacceptable. And some of the things I've seen us say about them is unacceptable. So, I'm not giving one side more blame than the other. They're equally wrong. Yes. And, you know, I think when I look at it, when I look at all of all of the movements together, you know, I'm just concerned that we do have a lot of infighting. But with that being said, I.
Well, that's okay because I'm bringing the solution to this since we knocking on the door of FDMG being ready. There needs to be a progressive American African movement that looks out for the best interest of the American African people that does not demonize our brothers and sisters abroad and that looks to build relationships with them as far as that can be done. So my movement to counteract the negativity of these movements we're discussing is going to be the dafa movement dfa descendants of African freed men in America. Remember lum after freedom came we were known as what? Freed men. That was a legal classification. We were the freed men. My three times great-grandfather George fought in the civil war. My four times great-grandfather Steve fought in the Civil War. My cousins Lewis and Charles, the sons of Frederick Douglas, fought in the Civil War. I'm a descendant of freed men who fought to keep this country from being divided. And we have rights as freed men. So, we're fighting as descendants of African, not no American. You ain't never putting that no title, no organization of mine. Descendants of African freed men in America. I like that. Do you think you going to get push back for even launching that? It don't matter. I'm stronger than both of them groups put together. Okay. Okay.
Now, with that being said, I do believe that reparations the debt is lineage specific. So, I don't want to I don't want to remove the point like I like I like how you put it right that before America was America, there were the same behavior. Yeah. So, but I think the British the British should pay for that. Yes. Or did you say were the funds transferred to of your reparations is coming from who? The British. And if we go 1619, right, to 1719, that's 100 years. And then 1719 to 1776, that's like almost 60. So 160 years of your 250. Guess what? Most of your time in American slavery was under the British, not the Americans. Did you see that? Yeah. Most of your time enslaved in America was under the British. Is it not common sense alone to unite with my African brothers and sisters in Ghana, in Malawi, in Nigeria, in Jamaica, in other places around the British Empire who are fighting for the same thing when we are all k and kin anyway? Does it make sense for me to be at odds with a Jamaican who may very well be my blood cousin? Does it make sense for me to be at odds with a Nigerian who might very well be my blood uncle? Lon, we are fighting with people who may very well be from your same ancestral line. That is ridiculous. And we don't fight white people half as much as we fight each other. And that goes for us and the African side. Yeah. I'm disappointed in both sides, bro. Yeah. For me, there's only one tribe and that's the Panafricanist tribe. You are either for all Africans or you are for no African. That's like.
But see the reason I have to come forward with the dah movement is many American Africans who agree with some of what they're hearing but don't want to be part of the conflict in the division but they say I either got to I got to go FBA. Both of them antagonize African immigrants. I don't want the antagonism but I do understand the need for us because we have a unique history that nobody else has. Right. But I ain't got nowhere to go. So they're being forced to join movements that they don't fully want to support cuz they don't agree with the negativity. So I'm going to come with the movement where yes, we going to do our thing as the American African people and still link up with the general race. So you have a solution. Your solution based in your approach to it. Cuz I know you see it like me. I'm new on Twitter and just getting on Twitter some of the ideas they throw around. I'm like, "Okay, I see where they going with I see where they taking the culture." Mhm. But here's the part of it that I don't find to be appealing is that 24 hours a day there's a space going on. A space for people who don't know is on Twitter where you open up a room and you have these conversations. You bring people on stage and you have conversations among one another and they just going to all day long. I can't support that. There's a space of someone that's just arguing about and again it's amongst each other. No, you're Haitian. You don't have no right to be. And I'm saying, you know what's crazy? All these labels didn't even exist before. Me as an innocent observer. I need them to understand that it's confusing. You know, you start to be like, like you said, it feels like toxic coming off of it a little bit. And so I hate that for the movement, but again, some of the stuff they throw around like, hey, the debt is lineage specific. We want to make sure that foundational peop descendants of slaves get some of the money cuz y'all had 400 years of free labor. Like, give us some of that back. Right. And you promised us two Yeah. four overall 250 here. But what I'm saying is you promised us 40 acres in a mule.
I want to clarify that. Go ahead, please. The 40 acres in a mule came from one of Abraham Lincoln's field generals. Right. Okay. And he signed a field order because what happened was self-emancipated Africans was running away from the plantation after Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Right? Freeing all slaves and armed rebellion. He didn't free not a single slave in Maryland. He didn't free not a single slave in Delaware. He didn't free not a single slave in Kentucky or Missouri. They stayed loyal to Lincoln. I want you to keep that in mind. If you stay loyal to me, you can keep your slaves. Right? So this general said, "I got all this contraband." That's what they called us, right? Liberated property. Goodness. Running to me. I got to do something with him, right? So he said in the field without Lincoln's approval, I'm going to give him 40 acres in a mule, which he started to do. Right. So he started to give him the 40 acres in the mule and then Abraham Lincoln said, "Uh-uh, I never." So he started to actually Right. But he didn't have permission from the president. Right. But Lincoln didn't agree with it. He told him to stop, but he didn't make him undo what he did. You know, when it got undone after Lincoln was assassinated and then Andrew, was it Jackson or Johnson? Because we had a President Andrew Jackson. We had a President Andrew Johnson. I think it was Andrew Johnson. He came in after Lincoln and he shut it down and gave that land back to the Confederates. So, it was never a presidential executive order. It was never approved of by Congress. The 40 acres in a mule was a limited field order issued by a general who wanted to do something to help the freed runaways start a life for themselves.
So you're telling me that we've been believing that it's the case the entire time and it's historically inaccurate. The only way 40 acres in a mule could be an official law or an enactment is either Congress or an executive order or a governor of a state. Congress didn't give us 40 acres in a mule. No governor gave us 40 acres in a mule to my knowledge and there was no executive order. That's crazy cuz I've always heard about. He exaggerated that. Yeah, that's been exaggerated. That's been exaggerated. That's been I'm glad you clarifying that because even me, you know, someone that, you know, I look into that kind of [ __ ] and I'm saying what? Yeah. Spike Lee named this company after. I don't see a problem with it though because it does speak to the hypocrisy of America. You follow what I'm saying? So, I'm glad it does get played up. Although we need to clarify it. It does speak to the hypocrisy of America. But my thing is this, Loom, for the Ad Doll's FBAs, and I respect them. What is your agenda for the American African people besides antagonizing black immigrants and waiting on reparations? I don't hear no talk about building no institutions. I don't hear no talk about no solutions. I don't hear anything about any organization. What are you doing to address the needs of the people who you claim to care about? Because if you're not going to do anything productive for the American African people, then the movement is a fraud. You understand what I'm saying? It's a fraud. If all we going to do is sit online and antagonize immigrants, but give the white ones a pass, give the gays a pass, give the Latinos a pass, and antagonize the black immigrants, and wait on reparations that you're never going to get until you organize, then the whole movement is a fraud. I want to talk about. I want to see some movement, some progress, cuz it's been too much talk, and I don't see no wheels. I don't see no wheels.
I can't push back on it, you know. I'll look into it, but at this point, I don't, like you said, I don't really have any concrete, anything concrete I can put in front of you. Theory is one thing. Where's the practice? See, I'm trained as a psychologist. You get all the theory, but when you get in that clinic and sit down with that person, think about killing yourself, and you get in there and sit down with that person who got eating disorder, and you get in there and sit up with that person with low self-esteem, and you get in there and sit down with that kid, they've been cutting their arms all up. The theory sound good in that classroom, but now you got to apply it to solve a problem. I need [ __ ] FBA to start solving some problems cuz I'm not seeing it at all.
Let's talk about celebrity politics. Nicki Minaj. Nicki Minaj has been in the news lately. Um, it feels like that she is I would say she is damaging her reputation if you ask me from a from a black perspective. Um, what's your thoughts on Nicki Minaj and some of what you've seen her do over the past couple of months? Nicki Minaj has cooned out.