Sheryl Underwood on Tony Hinchcliffe Jokes, Roast Reaction, & Genius of Bernie Mac

Y'all might well start the camera right now. Let him run through.

>> Yeah. Well, I think that Okay. There's When you So, when you guys So, all of you are married.

>> Yeah. Yeah. He's not really married. He likes to pretend like he's married.

>> He's married.

>> It's that What is this? Shacking or what's

>> No, we engaged.

>> You engaged? Oh, okay. So, you almost

>> You bought a ring, you married.

>> Yes. Right. Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. So, you So, you married So, you you fell in love with the girl. Uh-oh. You fell in love with the girl. Is there anything that she does to this day

>> that still drive you up a while?

>> Like annoys me?

>> Yes.

>> No, she's perfect.

>> You the Jack Benny. You're not even lying. Right. Sign [ __ ]

>> Sign [ __ ] Sign [ __ ] So you you going to leave her and bury me? Yeah. Of course. I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH HER.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'M CALLING RIGHT NOW, [ __ ]

>> Never coming home. Sunshine. Okay. Well, y'all want to talk about me talking to somebody that I was like, "What?"

>> Something was frustrating you. We could tell.

>> Um, but here's I'm trying this new thing.

>> Yeah.

>> And this new thing is called figure out where you could be contributing to your own frustration,

>> accountability. The There you go. And I wish more [ __ ] had it.

>> How do we get HOW DO WE GET THEM TOGETHER?

>> NEW BOOK. IT'S A NEW BOOK WE can all write together going, "Hey people. Hey [ __ ] you had a problem. You are contributing to

>> We've been trying to write that book for a long time. That's not a book. This is a scientific paper. Okay. So, how do we how do we solve this uh theory? How do we test it?

>> Well, how have you noticed that you're the problem? How can you think you're the problem when you're you're on fire right now? It seems like every decision you made was the right decision." Well, uh I would say most if you're 90% it's the 10 that you need to work on. Okay. So if you're communicating with someone and they don't seem to be understanding, then the first thing I look at is cuz my dad taught me look at yourself first. So am I not conveying it right? Or did I believe now this is where I think me as a woman. Did I believe that you were capable

>> of doing of not doing what you're doing?

>> Yeah. M.

>> So if I believe that you were capable of not doing the thing that annoys me, then I'm the problem because I believed it. No, I believed that you were not going to do the thing. If you don't like hair on soap.

>> Yeah.

>> And every time this dude comes over, it's his hair on my soap. So he taking my bar of soap and rubbing his balls with it. Can I say that?

>> Rubbing the rubbing balls with it. And and then it's in my shower, but I'm in love with this dude. And I go, "Well, this [ __ ] with the with the pubic hair on my damn soap."

>> But if I believe that he's incapable, if he's capable of not doing that,

>> Yeah.

>> but he continues to do it. So either it's a challenge to authority somewhere in there,

>> okay? Cuz he don't want to be controlled.

>> So this [ __ ] keep asking me about the pubic hair on the soap and I keep telling this showing this [ __ ] I'mma put the pubic hair on the goddamn soap. I'm a [ __ ] man.

>> There is an ego in it which is like, "Stop telling me what to do."

>> Yes. It's almost like you need to suggest it or ask it, but telling there's a thing about the being told.

>> Well, I say might you consider

>> See, I think we look at that and we just said, "Yeah, she just told me what the [ __ ] to do."

>> Uh, well, see, I feel like as the man, remember when I was I don't know if y'all saw me on uh Shannon Sharp's Club, Shay Shay, right? And he asked me how did I feel being the bread winner. I'm like, I'm not the bread winner.

>> I'm the person who might make more money in a relationship. Depends on who the man is. But I'm not the bread winner. The man is the bread winner. And we live off of what you do. My money is in addition to, hey, you want to be a cowboy? I'm going to send you to Montana to learn how to be a cowboy for your birthday. Right? That's what that's what my money is for. Right? So

>> So you when you're with a guy, you will live completely within the means of his salary

>> if that's what he wants to do. Well, first I got to get to being engaged or married or being that girl for you.

>> Cuz if if Well, I believe and I could be wrong and hit me in the comments. I believe when a man's money is not stable, he cannot concentrate on a personal relationship with a woman.

>> There is a version of that because it's hard to separate your identity from your ability to provide.

>> That's right.

>> Some guys can do it, man.

>> What? The jigalo.

>> The jigalo, but they have a disconnect. There's almost like a sociopathy that allows them to do it.

>> But then to me, uh, God makes woman's intuition to go, that guy's a jigalo.

>> Do I want to be with a jigalo or do I want to be with all these other girls that are with the jigalo?

>> And then, cuz I would ask a man, how long do you plan on being a jigalo? And can you use those skills for anything else? And how can I help you in the beginning?

>> Yes. Yes. We going to do what we GOING TO DO. BUT IF YOU you you seem to be good at being a jigalo cuz you pulled me and I fell for the [ __ ] So that's what you going to do? And I got the 1,500 if that's what we doing.

>> So what are we doing with this 1500?

>> That's right. How we going to take how we going to take 750 of us or or 500 plus 500 in crypto 500 in you trying to get your life together and then another 500 for you to live off of. Now, you want to be in a relationship with me or this just is this a transaction which all relationships are still transactions to me.

>> How? So,

>> you're either trading for love or comfort or or security or you make me feel good or you care about me.

>> Does it make it not transactional if it's a love for love trade?

>> That's still a transaction. It's equal love. I love you, you love me, and we build a life together. It's still a transaction. It's just more pleasant transaction, right? If it's just uh I'm [ __ ] you because you pay me or I'm [ __ ] you because I get something from it or

>> home security. That's right. That's right. To me, I I wish people would just talk about it's a transaction because my needs are meeting your needs and let's see how we can get together and if we enjoy ourselves together, but then you got to figure out what about the [ __ ] about me that you don't like and then can you handle that [ __ ] and can we just talk about it?

>> What's not likable about you? What could someone not like? Ooh, it's a lot. It's a lot.

>> What is What is the

>> Are you You smell phenomenal. Show

>> a black guy. It's a black guy.

>> That guy would say, "I be like, "Hey man, you know, I'm like for real."

>> He got a white. Don't let him fool you.

>> You got a white man.

>> You got European. That's European. Okay. No, BUT THAT'S DON'T LET HIM OFF THE NO. OKAY, listen listen to me. I'm not against interracial. I have sampled everything God have made on the buffet I love. So I'm not against it. Same,

>> right?

>> What's the best? Can you rank them?

>> I I would say well everybody's decent. If you still talking to me after we do something decent, you know, you still talking if you if you ain't PUT YOUR HAND IN MY BACK AND SAID, "ALL RIGHT, SURE. That was cool." Okay, listen. I got to watch that. THEN NICK WILL BE ON IN A FEW MINUTES. OKAY. Is it more shoes, [ __ ] Why are you still here? I guess cuz and and I get a Uber. Wait, listen this. No, I had a guy. Okay, wait. See, it's a good start. So, I I met this guy. We've been talking on the phone for about a year talking on the phone. Um he uh black uh play football. Yeah. Um and we met at a Super Bowl.

>> Oh.

>> And he comes up. I'm selling cassettes. That's how long ago it was. Cassettes and CDs and posters. So, he comes up. How much How much this cost? how much this cost? And I was like, okay, if your big ass going to buy something, buy something. So then he says, you know, let's exchange numbers. And I said, well, you know, listen, uh, I'm I'm not these [ __ ] Okay. So you straight up said, straight up. I said, I'm not these [ __ ] I'm a different [ __ ] If you want to exchange numbers, cool. But I I'm not excited about that. Right. So we start talking and we talk talk for months, years. I think I'm getting to know him. Right. So by the time uh something about to happen, I'm in the city where he's playing football and he sends a car for me. Now this is how far back sends a stretch memo, you know. So we all looking out the window. I was like, "Don't ooey. Don't oo. It's a set. It's a setup." No, it's a setup. I'm thinking it's a setup. I'm being set up. Okay. So it's a setup. So I get to to the crib. I used to tell this story in my act where we get to the location and the limousine dude is just throwing [ __ ] out the car like drive off. I'm like, I'm trapped in this [ __ ] but I'm glad I got gas money in case I need to get the [ __ ] out, jump out the window or something. Right. So, then we get together and he says, uh, he said, "I got to I got to go. I got to go to work." I said, "Okay." And in training camp, I said, "Okay, so what's up?" And, uh, he said, "Uh, what do you mean?" I said, "When's the car coming to get me

>> to take me back?"

>> Uh, he said, "Friday." I said, "Motherfuck, I'm not [ __ ] like this for four more days. What are you talking about? You're in training camp, not me. I was panicking cuz I don't have that type of duration. I was panicking, right? So, but then I thought about it. So, then he goes downstairs. There's some money in the car keys and it's cotton garage and everything. So, I go down and look at the car. Car's not been driven

>> and it's a guap. It's a big guap of money, right? Guap. So, I look at it. I go, it's a setup. This something's this is not right. You know, it's the first day and I get the money in the car and it's some [ __ ] Must be some cameras around this [ __ ] I'm being set up, right? I never think it's the happily ever after.

>> Never. Never. So, I call my father and I go, "Daddy."

>> I said, "I think I think I'm being set up."

>> You calling your dad from the house?

>> Yeah, from the house where I was living

>> in the car. She's probably I called my dad and I and I said, "I think I'm being set up." He said, "What do you mean?" And I told him what happened.

>> You said the details?

>> Yeah. I said, "We, you know, we were romantic. You know, my father and I said, but I I said this happened. This happened, this happened." I said, "What do you think?" He said, "Don't [ __ ] this up until I meet my son-in-law." What? And then, and then when it's TIME FOR ME TO GO BACK, cuz it's time for him to go play with the team.

>> So, you stayed for the weekend?

>> Yeah. Yeah. save for the weekend.

>> How was your body holding up?

>> Uh, it was it was a struggle. It was a struggle there. Yeah, cuz I'm only 5'2, right? It was a struggle. He was 6'5, 350. Oh, [ __ ] had two black eyes. Papa like who is doing this? I don't want to do this with you all day. Right. So, when it's the time to go, right? So, I said, "So, what's up? You know, what is this?" I said, "Cuz this is this seems like" He said, "Why don't you just relax?" And and then he said, "I'm take you. The car is going to take you back." I said, "Oh, no, motherfucker." No. After 5 days of this, you have to go back and you have to introduce yourself to my father

>> and you have to talk to him. What? What? I said, "Motherfucker?" Yeah. I said, "So, put some clothes on." So, I made him get in the car that I didn't drive and he drove me back to where my father was. I said, "Get out the [ __ ] car. Go talk to my dad." So, he walks in and uh my dad's watching wrestling. So he's sitting straight to TV. He doesn't look up. My father doesn't look up. He's my father old school southern, right? He doesn't look up. And I I said, "Daddy, this is such such and such and such." He nods at him. And he and then I said, "Why don't you just tell him what you do for a living? I play football. My father says talk like that.

>> Cheryl, come on."

>> My father says, "You do not have to bring her back to come back and visit us." I said, Did you get that?

>> Yeah. Now, once he say HE PLAY FOOTBALL, HE don't give a [ __ ] about me.

>> You're welcome to come here anytime.

>> Anytime you want. Anytime you want. So, what I'm saying is is a long story long is you have to figure out what is is. Especially as a woman, you need to figure out what is is and what role you going to play in this situation. Yeah.

>> And that's why I do not believe any man I date, whether you play football or whether you work at the gas station. I'm not the bread winner. You are the head of the household cuz that's the way I was raised. My father was the head of household when my father died. I defer to my older brother.

>> Oh, really? Right.

>> But you got leader energy. I don't know. I don't believe that you completely defer to anybody.

>> Um, but a leader also has to play the position.

>> So you could you could lead from behind.

>> Absolutely. And and I you know everybody that works with meer that's right all of this and he was trying

>> and I was scurrying I was like no that's not for you I'm not doing that my dad right but everybody that I work with I tell they go you're the boss no I'm not the boss I'm the leader

>> interesting

>> the boss tells you what to do and you can be unhappy about it the leader leads you into battle and you will go into battle with the leader because you know we're coming back alive

>> and that's why I'd rather be the leader than being the boss to dictate to someone.

>> Is this military influence or did you have this from like your pops early on or your mom early on like like where are you getting this philosophy on the world? My dad really shaped my world view. Yeah. Um, and he was military. He and all his brothers were in the army. And then my mother married a man who was stationed at Offet Air Force Base.

>> So that's how we got to Castle Air Force Base and went into the Air Force. So I was at Water High. But I always

>> But wait, hold on. Didn't you

>> you went into Air Force later though, right? You you got your masters before that.

>> I was working on my masters while I was in the Air Force. Uh so I got my associates, my bachelor's, my master's degree, a parallegal certificate from UCLA and I have five honorary doctorates, four of them from H.B.CU, one of them from University of Illinois at Chicago. So I wanted to go to college. Um because my dad was really really smart.

>> Um and but my dad was he was progressive but very conservative, you know, so he would read a lot and understand uh people and I wanted to be that. And uh my dad and my uncles on my mother and my father's side. Very very funny.

>> Yeah.

>> So I would just be in the corner watching them.

>> Like how so? What were you observing?

>> Storytelling.

>> Yeah.

>> Cadence.

>> Um hitting the joke and I was like, "Okay, that's interesting." Cuz I started out um as a singer and sing in the choir. No. Most of us.

>> Okay. You grew up in the church.

>> Church singing a choir. So I was like, "Oh, maybe I could be a singer." I wanted to be in the entertainment business. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. 5 years. Well, you know, you know us community, did your parents wake you up in the middle of the night to dance for their friends and perform for their

>> Okay. You must have a new generation.

>> He's so partying when we were in the middle of the night. But they they never said come. My son can pop lock and spin on his head.

>> They never said that. Oh, you wasn't sa dancing. You everybody you didn't had no white shoes or nothing like that. I wasn't.

>> Okay. So, you Puerto Rican Dominican. None of that happened for you. Well, see, and when we were growing up, our parents would wake us up to perform for their friends while they playing cards and all this stuff. So, I thought, okay, uh, for to get that kind of attention, you know, oh, okay. Uh, I kind of liked it. I knew I wanted to be in the entertainment business because I spent a lot of time in the house and watching things and I was like, I can do that. I can do that. But how do what do I do? Do I start off as a singer? I don't have pipes. My voice when I started singing it sounded more like Diana Ross, you know, but now that I've been doing comedy for so long, it's lower. It's like Lou Ross, you know. So, so it's deeper now, but my I still sort of sing. I can sing, talk. I say I can sing, talk, walk, dance. Got it. Got it. You know, quick update. I'm going to be out in LA shooting a movie this summer, but we added some standup shows. So, pull on up. The Brea Improv will be there July 17th and July 18th. And then we're going to be at the Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Great Outdoors Fest August 8th. So you can go grab tickets any of those shows if tickets are still available. Andrewsh.com. All right, Mark, what do you got? Oh, I have great news. I'm going all over at the end of the year. I'm going to Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona, Pasadena, California, San Diego, California, and then I'm also going to a couple other spots that are going to be coming up at the end of the year like Detroit, Michigan, and Salt Lake City, Utah. And I can wait. I can't wait to see you guys all there. Marklive.com. Alex, guys, my monthly tennis series, the alllocub.com. The tennis is on July 25th. I'll see you guys there. The first one was fantastic. Second one's gonna be even better.

>> Then I got into dancing

>> uh and I uh answered an ad while I was in college uh at a bar uh and it was a sexual interpretive dance. That's what we call it.

>> Sexual interpretive dance.

>> Dance. Yes. Art. It's a great way of saying stripping.

>> No, that's not this art.

>> I thought I was being artful. What it was. So, I grew up in Chicago and it's a a tavern and it's still open to this day and the owner remembers the day that I did this.

>> Get the [ __ ] out.

>> Yes. And

>> how old were you when you go in?

>> Oh, I was uh

>> 19, 20.

>> Uh, I was young. I was young but old, you know. I was young but old. WE GOT SAME AGE. I know who watching this. Still my damn identity, my credit. No, it's still my identity. So, I'm in this place where you're supposed to you put on the lingerie and then you're supposed to um Yeah. So, the guy the guy buys it. So, whoever buys it

>> like burlesque.

>> No, it's a little bitty place. Burlesque seems beautiful. It's like a a movie with what's that girl Christina Aguilera and Sher.

>> Have you seen it?

>> Mulan R.

>> No, Burlesque was the movie they did together. Matter of fact, James Brolan was in the movie. But I digress. So, uh, it's more like you buy buy the lingerie, you walk around the little bar, and whoever wants you to take it off, they pay for the lingerie, so you take it off in front of them,

>> and then they get to keep your lingerie,

>> but you're naked in front of these dudes. So, it's really a fancy version of stripping.

>> But, um, and I think God let me know what I'm not capable of doing. So I start to tell jokes and I was doing the Fred Sanford and I was like no

>> I was telling jokes

>> full lingerie.

>> Yeah. And them street dudes.

>> You you came straight worth the damn put your [ __ ] back on. Funny as hell,

>> you know. So that's when I knew, oh, I can do it. And then being in the military.

>> Yeah.

>> Um I was making people laugh in the military because you have to entertain. We had a lot of downtime. So you have to entertain and basic training. Um, I was basic uh Lackland Air Force Base. Lackland was uh basic training San Antonio uh the tech school because I went in as a medic and they told me I could transfer out to MWR.

>> What's MWR?

>> Uh morale welfare and recreation. So that's what I wanted to be cuz I knew I wanted to be in the entertainment business.

>> Wait, do you go in as an officer?

>> No, I didn't. I went in as enlisted. Um, but it it helped me pay my way through school and but it also taught me how to entertain people you don't know. If we're talking to each other, then we know some of the things of our background that's going to make us laugh.

>> There's a shared understanding and a shared reality. But when you're talking to somebody that you never knew anything about, Mexican dude from El Paso, Texas, you still got to crack him up.

>> Or a white boy from Oklahoma, you got to make him laugh. And so, um, I found that I was funny and I was doing the cadence because I was too I couldn't do the guide on. The guide on is where you twirl the flag,

>> but you can't don't let that flag hit the ground, airman, you know, so you can't let the flag hit the ground and hear that. Everybody looking at you like you crazy, right? So, I couldn't do that. Uh, cuz I don't think I had the um cuz you got to twirl it under your arm. Okay.

>> And I couldn't do it. But then they said, "Well, what else could you do?" And one of the TI said, "Let her do the the cadence the chance." And but my chance were, you know, your your mother was home when you left. You're right. Your mother's. So, but mine were dirty.

>> Oh, so you do. Okay. Okay.

>> Yeah. And people looked forward to us marching, but mine were dirty.

>> And they're trying to keep a straight face while they're trying. That's right.

>> And you're trying to crack them. Do you remember any of the uh any of the cadences?

>> Um nothing I can say here, but I I say whatever you want.

>> Well, no. I one thing I do remember is that uh I learned that I could be entertaining,

>> but I also learned that um it takes being in the military. First, it's a it's a scary thing because they strip you down to build you back up,

>> but it's the best thing. I wish in this country

>> we had mandatory and if you don't want to do mandatory military service for two years, go in the Peace Corp.

>> Yeah.

>> Do do something. You should do something in this country. We were talking about this like volunteering at like the national parks or something like serving the country in some capacity.

>> We were we were in uh Virginia Beach this past weekend doing shows and the USS Ewima

>> came back

>> and I'd never seen this live, but like you got to see the ship that was away for 10 months.

>> Yes.

>> A whole family.

>> Mhm.

>> People with kids.

>> Yes.

>> It's also like 10 months. So you see a really young baby. You're like

>> hold on. Uhoh. No, but like I dude, I got emotional, man. I got kind of caught up in it. Like

>> the music, the pomping circumstance.

>> Also, just seeing these young like these these are kids. They're like 21 years old. They're coming off. Their moms are grabbing them. It was their first time. These like big hugs. It was just this beautiful thing.

>> Asking one of the moms like, "Oh, who are you here for?" And she's like, "Oh, my son." And you're like, "How long has he been deployed?" She says, "296 days."

>> Oh. To the to the day. To the day.

>> It is like a care packages. Um cookies. They said Amazon replaced all that. They said if you try to send a care package, it's going to take twice as long as if you just go Amazon direct and it'll find a way through.

>> And that's what's good about ingenuity,

>> of course.

>> But also you when you're away like that, you live for letters and care packages and things like that. And I remember when I was first performing after I got out of the reserve, they called me, somebody called me to do a comedy show.

>> Yeah.

>> And we were in uh uh Yakusa. Yeah. um naval base in Japan.

>> In Japan. So I was doing my com has always been adult.

>> Always been sexual, always been adult, profane. So I was wearing these fringe hot pants and this fringe uh uh uh bolero jacket and booster and I had these fishnet stockings and pumps on that I couldn't really walk in. And I was telling the most hardcore sexual humor and they and the admiral they said the admiral would like to see you. And I said, "Sir." And he said, "So, you form a military?" I said, "Yes, sir." And he said, "Um, listen. I'm going to give it to you straight." What? We can't protect you. These men have been on a ship for 49 years.

>> You keep talking, we can't protect you.

>> When the US military says they can't protect you, who the [ __ ] else,

>> you know who they put in front of the Cuz we were staying in Billetting, uh, where, you know, the the hotel is called Billet. So, we were staying there. You know who they put in front of my door to guard me every night and they weren't shifts?

>> Bruce Lee.

>> The Marines.

>> Really?

>> The Marines. Because these dudes were sitting outside of my door playing the guitar, uh making uh beaded necklaces and professing their love. And I was like, "What is happening? What is h I'm just doing a show."

>> Yeah.

>> You know, but I do I like perform for the military. The last thing I did, I did a USO tour.

>> Oh, yeah. That's pretty cool.

>> Oh my god. So fun. So fun. But what made it really fun for me, it was with the sergeant major of the army. And I kept asking him, "Are you sure you mean me? Are you sure you want me to go?" Cuz you know me, right? And the USO people like, "Absolutely." Cuz you don't get paid for it. It's the pavement is the love from the troops.

>> Yeah.

>> So we go to Afghanistan.

>> Uh and then we go down to the FOBs. Well, first I'm I'm so excited. I think I'm I'm going to walk up to General Petraeus and I'm going to shake his hand and hug him and tell him how great. And General Petraeus was like, "Who the [ __ ] are you?" You know, we're the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. I'm so [ __ ] hurt, you know. So then, but the but the command sergeant majors and and the people that knew me and then they were asking who was I because they had double the people.

>> So the people that knew me from Def Comedy Jam and Comic View, okay, they had double the people. So, I was doing this bit, Shelvis, a tribute to the king, and I was uh dressed as Elvis Presley with the mutton chops and the wig and custommade Elvis outfit from BK Enterprise where Elvis was getting his made. Okay.

>> And and I was doing this, that was my intro

>> and people died laughing and everything and they love the country singers and they were waiting for Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. But we went to a FB a forward operating base in Afghanistan and you could hear these dudes on their head say, "Who the [ __ ] is the black girl? I don't know who the [ __ ] she is." And I was telling every dick joke, every dirty joke I knew. And they were stomping and clapping and then I could get on. I got on the helicopter and they said, "Whoever she is, protect her. I ain't never laughed that hard."

>> And that's what comedy does in my opinion.

>> Yeah. Absolutely. That's amazing.

>> It brings us together. Same thing with the

>> but so does the military.

>> Oh, absolutely.

>> I think that's the thing that a lot of people maybe don't understand like the camaraderie that exists within the military. It's like when you know that your life is dependent on the person next to you, you don't really care that much that they're Filipino.

>> That's right.

>> You know, a lot of this [ __ ] goes out the window. So, a lot of my buddies that are in the military, they have these like incredibly close relationships with guys like from all different walks of life, but there's nothing off limits. No,

>> it's not like a regular office job where like you would never maybe share your real personality with somebody at the office. That's right. You're going to get to know who that person is.

>> Absolutely. Cuz you're [ __ ] showering, and shaving with the person. You know, you're eating the same MRE that they're eating. You're telling stories. You're sad that your girl betrayed you, so now you want to shoot somebody. I'm just saying to be facitious. But but I think military um it's one of the great law enforcement. anything that like you say your life on the line [ __ ] gets different but but also it's the humor it's gallows humor like people that were so upset about the roast

>> yeah what what did you first of all you had an amazing set on the ro obviously you've heard this but like

>> you killed it

>> there was something that I thought you brought to the rose that was fantastic which was one genuinely having fun is infectious

>> right like whoever has the most fun Yes.

>> I want to be around as a person that's consuming,

>> right? The person who's watching the game and they're having the most fun watching the game. That's the part of the bar you want to be around.

>> Yes.

>> And you were up there, you were having so much fun

>> and it in in a way it like broke the fourth wall.

>> Like there are moments where and I want to ask you here, it's like

>> I don't know if you even reading off the prompter. Like are you just making up all this [ __ ] Like this is a big [ __ ] moment. I did I did the Brady one. There's a It's a big moment where you're going, "Okay, I've been working on this. I want to make sure that everything goes well,

>> but it felt like you were just kind of letting it rip.

>> Well, okay. So, yours, so Okay. Can you cuz a lot of people don't really understand the amount of preparation. It is a production

>> and they're and you running jokes with their writers.

>> Did you guys do that?

>> So, basically, so I had a few guys that that were working with me and they were fantastic. Like, yeah. And like and you should have the guys that kind of like understand your voice. That's right.

>> And um it was it not to make this about me, but it was a crazy weekend.

>> We gonna make it about us.

>> Okay, we'll make it about us. So it was like I was doing Madison Square Garden Friday, Saturday, and then I had to go do the roast Sunday.

>> So basically, I was like, "Okay, I have two weeks to work on the roast and then I want to make sure I'm ready for Madison Square Garden."

>> Yes. So, it was like this it was crazy week, but some amazing guys that helped me write write uh Robbie Slovic, Ryan Nessen, uh Matt Brousard, uh Tyler Morrison, I want to make sure I'm getting all the guys. Anyway, uh but uh

>> I had it all kind of mapped out,

>> but there is that part of you when you're up there, you're like,

>> man, I just want to be in this moment. And I felt like the times where I kind of like segueed away

>> Yes.

>> were like the realist. Like I saw Dana White in the audience and I like had a joke on him. Like there were just these

>> and I saw you do that or at least it felt like you were doing that.

>> That's what happened. That's what happened.

>> You saw the whole place just get caught up in it. It was like the most pure version of what you wanted to say. And now instead of like us analyzing the misdirection of your joke, we're caught up on your energy.

>> Absolutely. And that's what you want. And that's what American humor is all about. This is an international experience cuz everybody got Netflix. But I agree with you. for me. Um, I took a meeting with Netflix and I pitched an idea that I wanted to do with them and they were like, "Oh, that's that's interest great idea. Would you do Netflix as a joke?" I was like, "Sure, you want me to do that?" So, uh, they said, "Okay, let's start there." So, they offered me the Ice House in Pasadena,

>> the 100 plus seat room, not it was no big room, right? And great room. Is that's right. Very intimate. See, I like the intimacy of the comedy club. Yeah. Yes. There's something beautiful there. It's the connection is is built there.

>> That's right. I Theaters are great.

>> They're amazing.

>> But you cannot hold your lemon pepper wings and your drink on your lap at a theater.

>> You can literally like touch everybody in a class.

>> You can slap somebody in the back. You don't know. You go, "Did you hear what the [ __ ] she just said?"

>> Also, everyone can see everyone else.

>> That's right. And it brings people together and you can feel, okay, you don't like this. Okay, let me let me transition over to that. you know, cuz I'm doing like political humor on the road. I'm doing I'm talking about being a Republican. I'm doing Trump jokes. I'm doing, you know, why the Democrats are going to continue to lose election jokes, but I'm using every word in the lexicon and telling them why I'm using these words. So, in in a comedy club, it's more intimate.

>> But I got a couple of calls from my colleagues saying, "You're too big. You need to be in the Hollywood Bowl show. You need to be in the this this." Why would you do a little bitty room like that? Why not? Why not? If this is where we work, this is where we work.

>> I think sometimes people get caught up on like the perception of what you should be doing instead of like what you choose to be doing.

>> Yeah, absolutely.

>> And I think you've been in the game long enough where like maybe you're not as worried about that. I think like when people are first getting their a little bit of momentum.

>> Yes.

>> And I remember being in that position where it's just like all right, what should we doing? What is the venue we should be doing? And then

>> I think after you do those things, you go, well, what do I want to do for where I'm at in my hour? There you go. And see, for me, um, I wanted to do I asked him, I said, "Will you allow me to bring the show that I'm doing? I'm doing I need a job tour. Will you allow me to bring that show into the ice house?" They said, "Sure, whatever you want to do is your night." So, it's it's I go on first, then it's Kyle Herby goes up. Um, now Mike Washington usually travels with us, but he We're all such close family.

>> You'll start your own show.

>> Oh, absolutely.

>> And then you bring up comics.

>> Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And that's what I was trying to um advance. That's the show that I really want to do. Um because I think that there's a a camaraderie of comics. There are a lot of comics out there that think that their career is they're not going to have it. But there's some great comics out there that need us that that pull them up and go, "Come on. It's not over for you. You could be um you could be uh Kathy Griffin. Come on, girl." So So you had that issue with the head with the bloody head. Okay, come on back. Tammy Pescatelli, great comic. When you're talking about Melly Kamacho, what you're talking about, there are a lot of old school comics that need to be put back in the mix. So, I I asked, could I do that? Then they said, can what about BT Kingsley? I was like, cool. So, we did the show the way we do it.

>> And are you doing time in between? Like, if I'm going to see Cheryl?

>> Yeah.

>> And I want I and I want more than just the opening. Am I going to get Cheryl throughout the whole night?

>> You get what I would do as a headliner. You get that upfront. Oh, you open the whole thing.

>> Yeah, I open the show and you get that up front and then Kyle comes up and he does the show. But when Mike Washington is with us, I do what I do, then Kyle comes up, then then me and Kyle got a banter, then we bring up Mike Washington, and then he does what he does, and then me and Mike got a banter. So, it's like being a in a comedy team with everybody on the show. And it's a I say it's a house party inside of a comedy club. And it's fun, but it also we run it. The time is right because it helps me do better on time. Of course, you know, if you want to be in the club all night long, but these people have been here setting up before you were here. Come on, let's get them in. Let's entertain and let's feed them, put drinks and food in them and get them out so they can go home happy, right? So, but when doing this for Netflix, this small room, it put my name on the map. So, then somebody calls me and says, "Um, would you be willing to do the Kevin Hart roast?" I said, "Of course."

>> How how long before the roast do you agree to it?

>> Oh, it had to be maybe a week.

>> So, you would have to prep.

>> No way.

>> So, everybody else has probably been prepping for at least a month.

>> Yeah, I think I think I think about a uh

>> I I'm not sure. I don't know. Can somebody ask Kyle's out there? He he'll know the exact time. I know I had enough time to as soon as they asked and I didn't know if I had it. I started looking for outfits online. Alice and Olivia. Alice plus Olivia is where the outfit came from. And then I went to Amazon. It's is this shirt. And I'm thinking, okay, what shoes can I walk in? And I called my glam guy, Dale McDonald, and I said, listen, can you come? You've come to town to put my face together for the Ice House show. Can you stay over and do this? and he was like, "Yeah, I got you." So, I pulled my team together. Uh Erna Fuche is my con my conscious. She runs my foundation. Harry Sutherland um runs part of my foundation and he's the person that hooks me up with corporations cuz he's an elected county commissioner. So, I brought my team in and I said, "We're going to network this, see what we can get out of it."

>> But putting the set together and dealing with their writers cuz did you have to run jokes with their writers, too? So what what what we basically did was say, "Hey, does anybody have

>> these jokes?"

>> Yeah.

>> And I knew I was going up at the end.

>> Okay.

>> So I was basically like, "Just tell me if anybody has this and I'll just scrap it

>> cuz I don't want to get to the end of the show

>> and then a lot of the stuff has been used."

>> That's right. That's right. Unless you can make it better.

>> If If you can make it better, that's fine.

>> That's right. That That's the key. You got to make it better. Like with the Tony Hanscliff George Floyd joke. Yeah. Yeah.

>> I don't think God sent me a good enough comeback. But because Pete Davidson hit with the Charlie Kirk joke for the Cookout Coalition, I was like, "Oh, yeah. He he got you right. He got you." But for me, um, I wanted to learn to work with other people's writers. And so we could see that they were writing for everybody and what was working, what wasn't working. But what was funny to me,

>> they had the the brunch. Oh,

>> the one where where you're like, "Uh, yeah, we [ __ ] Me and Kevin [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> He's making all this. He's making all this noise. I said, "Kevin, shut up before someone thinks I'm watching one of your movies." So, and so I'm taking what they want.

>> But it looked like you weren't going to tell it. I wasn't cuz I was like, "Move. Go through the

>> teleprompter." That was the beautiful moment like for the consumer, right? It's like this wasn't supposed to happen. And Kevin was like, "No, you got to tell it."

>> But I'm looking at the prompter. And so for me, um, I like I like to be prepared so that you know where you can adlib. If you're not if you're not prepared and you ad live, you could lose where you're going. Yeah. You don't know what's going on. So, in working with them and then Vanessa Gratic and Kyle Herby, uh, Ian Edwards, Chris Spencer, um, it was a lot of people. I was like, "What you got? What you got?"

>> Um, but the fact that I could talk to Nikki Glazer at the lunchon.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. Okay. So, they have the the brunch, the community. Everybody's there. Get to hug and talk to your colleagues.

>> And I said, "Nikki, how they coming?" They they said, "They coming for you."

>> I said, "What they coming to me? The [ __ ] What am I? I'm the [ __ ] that just lost a daytime talk show. I need a job. I need to work. Why they coming at me?" And she said, "They coming for you hard." And I met Tony at the brunch.

>> Yeah.

>> Tony Hers walks up to me. He said, "I'm Tony King School." I said, "I know." And he I said, "How

"you coming?" He said, "I'm coming. Uh, your husband suicide and you're being raped."

"No. Jesus."

And I said, he said, "Well, what are you thinking?" I said, "It better be funny." I said, "That's I said, if it ain't funny," I said, "I'm going to get your ass. I swear." I said, "I'm going to get you if it ain't funny." I said, "It better be funny."

He said, "What about I said, "My husband been dead."

"You know, and then that's when I thought, "What are you gonna say back to him when he says it?" And I'm thinking, what do you say back to him then? And and but he he's a great villain."

"Yes, he is."

"He's the snidly whiplash of comedy right now."

"He is if we're looking at comedy as wrestling."

"Yes."

"He is the perfect heel."

"Absolutely. Absolutely."

"Slytherin."

"Yes. But but here's the thing about this generation of roasting. It's not like when it was private at the Friars Club and it was digs against people and we knew each other. We knew it wasn't personal. And then it's not like when Dean Martin and you got Milton Burl who tells the best who has the best dick jokes in the industry. Why? Cuz he's got a big ass dick and he was blowing the backs out of Scarlet in the 40s50s. Oh yeah. Milton B cuz he's not attractive in the face but he was throwing that dick on the Yeah. He was blowing them [ __ ] out. So for me it's not the same thing but they roast at a certain level. Right. But the fact that he came to me with respect."

"Yeah."

"And I said, "Okay, it better be good." I said, "That's all. It just better be good." And so Shane Gillis calls me and I said, "The first people saying, "Well, Shane wants to talk to you." I said, "Give him my number. Let's talk." And I said, "Shane, uh," I said, "Your name." I said, "It's a great western." He said, "That's what I'm named after." I said, "Good." I said, "If you don't come hard and going to come correct and this [ __ ] ain't funny." I said, "I'mma pop you like Doc Holliday in Tombstone." I said, "Cuz that's my favorite movie. I love Shane and Tombstone. So, we laughed and we joked, but then even running the jokes and having other comics go, nah. And then running them through the prompter cuz I want to get my cadence right. I I don't want to be reading something. I want to be feeling and giving life. But I kept asking God on that stage, give me the words."

"Give me the words that the audience needs me to say in the moment."

"Yeah. Cuz I had a piece of paper. I had a piece of paper and an ink pen and I'm and me and Tony are sitting next to each other. We're laughing and talking and I'm getting to know him. I'm getting to feel him that he's not he's not all the way this dude."

"You know, he's the dude that talked about Puerto Rico. But if the Puerto Ricans ain't threw hands on you every time they see you."

"Yeah."

"Okay. What what what is it? Is it humor?"

"People don't want to believe this, but Tony is a very sweet guy."

"He is very much so. people will not want it because people make up their minds without really understanding who somebody is. But and that's why I went to Austin to do Kill Tony."

"Yeah, I saw that."

"I went there to do it because I'm trying I'm not going to change you. I don't believe in changing someone. I believe in influencing them to be their better self and evolution. So, you can be that right now cuz you're making a lot of money. You make a lot of money. That's why I said what I said. Uh [ __ ] and [ __ ]"

"Okay. What is the funny word? Little people."

"Yeah."

"Or [ __ ]"

"[ __ ] Yeah."

"Okay. Disabled or [ __ ]"

"Dis I mean [ __ ]"

"Okay. There we go. Okay. But but here's the thing. If you push the pendulum too far to politically correctness, then people are going to fight back with all of what you do, right? And why you pointing us?"

"Well, well, I think I think that's why I said I'm glad you white male comics are out there doing what you're doing because we were getting cancelled. Do you know GLAD has me on their website as a homophobe?"

"No."

"Yes. For a joke that I told at Comic View. Uh, and I thought I was telling a civil rights joke and they said I was homo. Oh. U I would say one day cuz I'm writing a book called I'm fat because of you. Yeah. It's my life story. So I think we're going to put that story in there. Okay."

"Um uh but the punchline is uh dick is like secret secret deodorant. dick is like secret deodorant. It's strong enough for a man, but it's made for a woman. And that's the punch line."

"So, that's what makes you a homophobe."

"Um, it's all the stuff that I'm comparing it to to say of our struggle and you're comparing it to this and they said I was a a homophobe. But I laid it out. I laid it out from the middle passage to the everything."

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"So, you go back to people being upset about jokes that were told at this roast. Well, it's racist. Of course it is."

"Yeah."

"it's racial. Of course it is."

"But when we're looking at you guys say things, then they say, "Well, it opens the door to this." But Paul Mooney used to walk white people out of Carol. Paul I used to watch Paul. That was one of the most unique comedy experiences because Paul would get these white women. It was also the women. He would get them in their feelings. But Paul Paul would say wild [ __ ] Don't get me wrong."

"Yeah."

"But he was hilarious and it was well written."

"It he had well constructed. That's right."

"But it was wild."

"Jackie Mason."

"Yeah."

"Well, see people don't understand. So, and I'm not giving cover to racism. What I'm saying is don't get mad. Get motivated. If you're mad about this, then be mad that farmers are now losing their farms in these red states. Be mad that 300,000 women lost a job."

"But they're not going to do that cuz there's no there's no clicks or virtue signaling or white knighting based on that. There's no pats on the back based on that. Like, well, here's your problem, though. So you want to talk about a roast that we did with an expectation of us being superheroes, but you go to your job every day and Bob from accounting tells the worst jokes in the world, but you ain't did [ __ ] to Bob from accounting, but you want us to stand up. If you and I were on the day, we were supposed to slap Tony, right? They wanted to stand up. Well, here's the problem. I need you to go to your job and slap the [ __ ] that's telling if that's what you want. If that's if we throwing hands, if that's what you're doing."

"We were talking about this on the podcast. It was interesting thing because like I think I think a lot of the outrage maybe came from this was huge all over social."

"Yes."

"And when you're looking at like your friends pictures of their kids and vacations and then all of a sudden this joke pops up on your screen that you didn't really elect to watch. It's just kind of thrown in your face and you're like, "Yo, what the [ __ ] is going on?" When you're at home and you choose to click on the roast of Kevin Hart knowing it's going to be wild, I don't know if people had that much of a reaction. There might be moments where they're like that joke was harsh or do these people really not like each other."

"Yeah. Cuz I was even like damn what? But I they didn't want us to know what people were saying, which I think is better, right? It's a reaction. It's a reaction. But then people are like criticizing us saying, "Well, you sat there and you laughed at it." Well, first somebody had to clear that joke. So what I'm thinking is who cleared the joke. So if you cleared the joke, then that's the type of humor we going with, whether it was funny or not funny. But on the same token, it is a roast."

"That's the thing. People got people got to understand a roast is different than a standup act."

"That's right. And Mark, you had a great way of describing this where you were like, uh, it's like seeing a street fight can be like brutally violent. Yeah. But then seeing a UFC fight where you know this is the point of what these guys are doing and they all signed up for it. It can still be brutally violent, but it's a little bit more digestible."

"Yes. It's digestible."

"It's contextualized. But at the same time, if you're scrolling at 8:00 a.m. and like you're having breakfast with your kid and then you see a guy getting punched in the face 10 times, you're like, "This is so violent. Why does anyone watch this?" But it's being pushed on to you. It's the algorithm. So if what I said said to everybody, I'm not going to get all these interviews right and I'm going to come to my thoughts. But here's the thing. Radio stations, everybody that's arguing, uh, DL and Big Jay going back and forth with each other."

"Yeah. I'm like, why?"

"Well, but here's the thing though. Listen, they giving as good as they got. When they put up Big Jay, the meme of Big Jay as Roseanne, it was hilarious. It made me laugh. It was hilarious, right? But then when they pulling up DL's old stuff was never right. That's right. Okay. That's comics. That's that's cuz comics were not perfect, man. Especially if we're talking on a podcast or like a talk show for 10 years. We're going to say some wild [ __ ] that is going to present ourselves as hypocritical. If we're white knighting about something, if we're trying and we are hypocritical cuz we evolve in that state. But you doing radio time spent listening. So you're arguing about this, you're talking about this. Hey, when we come back, Dr. such and such is going to talk about his reasons why the roast was not fleable. Da da da. Okay, it's time spent listening. It's advertisement. Now, people that didn't have Netflix now got Netflix. People that didn't see the roast now watch it. So, something that had uh 13.8 now has 15."

"Oh, they told me the the roast numbers for Kevin Hart were fantastic."

"Yes, it's big. And but you know what I thought the genius was? You put what looked like an attack upon a black female comic up against the manosisphere. So if you love Cheryl Underwood and you watching them beat her to down right now, you're like, "Sher, do something. Do something and did something." That's right. If you say anything that sound like you will not make it out of Englewood with a lie, a rut. This is the [ __ ] forum built by the show leg. will respect us in this house. So for me, I felt that God sent me and I was produced to deliver for everybody that thought what was being said was inappropriate."

"So God sent you to call Shane a [ __ ] I I believe it because I ASKEDRENEURS sh I'm not talking about you Kevin as the [ __ ] but I'm talking about you Shane as a [ __ ] but also that January 6 joke now that was written and I said that's the one I want cuz I I asked Nikki I said Nikki what give me some some pointers now this is two female comics talking to each other right where we're supposed to be mortal enemies white woman right black woman. We're supposed to be mortal enemies, right? Are you?"

"No. No. Well, society would want us to be mortal enemies."

"Oh, really? Chelsea Handler, she comes to me at the brunch and she says, "Listen, I'm not coming for you." I said, "Listen, I got a couple on you, but they're not bad." You know? So, so we're talking, but that's camaraderie, right? So, when Nikki says, "Tell them to give you the hardest stuff." So, some of the stuff they sent, I said, "That don't even sound like me." No. I said, "Give me something. We want to make this a great roast. We want to do Kevin proud, right? And for Kevin to say, Cheryl, I want you to do what you do. And then for my team to go, here's what you need. Here's where you are at your best. And then I'm feeling the audience cuz some of the jokes the audience didn't like. Some of the jokes they liked, but they didn't know why they liked it. And then also, Hollywood is is jaded. California is jaded. So they not laughing like if we was in Kentucky and they slapping them and they we having a good time. But then I thought, "Nah, you got them moving."

"Yeah. Speak to the room. Speak to the room."

"Oh, you're saying earlier in the roast maybe they weren't really cook. Cuz when you were up there, I thought they were standing up. They look great."

"Well, I did not. And you know, it's kind of out of out of body experience cuz I didn't realize what was happening. What I felt was, "Okay, Cheryl, there nobody's getting up cuz I'm listening and nobody's saying answer them. Answer them back. Let them know you ain't said nothing but a [ __ ] word. Where the [ __ ] you think you at?" Yeah, you know this a roast to Kevin Hart. We still black up in this [ __ ] right? So were you when you were watching it, what were you thinking?"

"I think the my biggest takeaway was that it felt like there was some animosity between some of the comics that went up. Yes. Like that's why I think it felt a little bit different. Like other roast it's like oh we all like each other so there's more love here. But it seemed like there was some people that went up that actually didn't like each other. So that's why some of the jokes was like and but then but but to me what I felt and really I did talk to God. I said listen I'm up here with my colleagues. Yeah. These are these are gentlemen that I'm trying to get to know. Yeah. Um, that I need to understand what is comedy right now. This is what comedy is right now. So Charlotte, if you're in this game, you better figure out what it is right now. But then I thought, oh wait a minute, cuz I used to say oh fay cracker peeka. One of my first jokes that I wrote, what go good with chili? Crackers. Now that you mentioned white people, let's talk about their [ __ ] hand. Why do you carry your purse on stage? Cuz white folks steal. Any race people take land from the Indians and sure enough take two or three dollars out your purse."

"So those are jokes I'm telling because I'm trying to express the history of this country, right? But then if you get to do comedy long enough, you evolve into something else. Shane will evolve. Tony will evolve, but if we work together, just think of the type of movies we can make. We could recreate uh Smoking and a Bandit. I thought Shane I told Shane I said we we need to redo Smoking and the Bandit. You be um um Bert Reynolds and I'll be Jerry Reed, you know, redo Cannibal Run. Let's let's let's get together. All of us as comics should be working on content together so we can keep American humor alive and we can pay our bills and our mortgages and do things for our foundations. Cuz do you have a foundation?"

"I have a foundation I work with. Not my my personal one. Not my personal one, but wouldn't it be great if we all got together and it wasn't just Netflix roasting somebody? How about we roast to benefit something? Yes, we're good enough that we can roast to benefit something. We can still hit somebody. not as hardcore cuz Netflix I think that's why I said free speech is alive and well and I thank you Netflix. Why? Because I think people push too far in the political correctness the pronouns and stuff so people got mad cuz I got to call you a pronoun you know like I do transgender. I'm supposed to be transphobic. I'm supposed to be homophobic and I do all of this in my show where I talk about these things that I'm supposed to be, but you won't get to know me and understand I'm not against you. Just cuz I'm pro me don't mean I'm against you, but some of these things I just can't why are we agreeing with why why can't we talk about it? And that's how I looked at me participating in this roast. And then I found that I really wanted to get to know everybody Draymond Green scared to death."

"He was scared to do it."

"Said no, he was scared to do the roast. So, we're in the green room. It's terrifying. Imagine someone who's never done comedy before doing on the biggest stage in front of the most people."

"You know what I told him?"

"What?"

"I said, "Listen, you play basketball." Yeah. I said, "I don't. You coming into what I do, so you don't have to be me. Get through it."

"Yeah. The expectation is definitely lower."

"I said, "Take a deep breath." I had him call Chris Spencer and I said, "You you talked to Chris." I said, "But even if you get a chuckle, that's your standing off."

"Yeah. M even if you get a he you a trip dreamer that's a standing o for you you're not going to get what they're going to get cuz we've been doing this we know how to course correct quickly that joke didn't work let's go to something else we know how to feed off the crowd this is what we do if I was playing basketball that ain't what I do if I hit the rim I'd be happy if I if I can just dribble a little bit you know but to talk to them to talk to Lizo and say girl don't worry take a deep breath she was another one did fantastic off of energy."

"Yes."

"She seemed like she was enjoying the moment."

"Yes. And again, it's a very difficult thing to communicate to somebody who's nervous to be like, hey, if you just don't be nervous and have fun, it will be great. Relax, cuz it's the hardest thing to do is when you're nervous just, oh, okay, well, I guess I'll just turn that off and have fun. But the people that can kind of embrace that."

"Mhm."

"I felt bad for Draymond cuz they he kept getting booed by all the Laker fans. Imagine you doing this for the first time and you're getting booed like Yes. But now he once you get through it, it's over. I think Naim uh did a wonderful job. And I I really would have wanted Tiffany uh while I was getting beat up to come down and go, "Hold on, [ __ ] Let me let me help you with some of this shit." And we show what black female comics can do when we're in it. Uh I thought Regina Hall represented a side of the audience that was like, "What the [ __ ] is happening? What the [ __ ] y'all talking about?"

"She represents a viewer. Yeah. Um, and to me, um, I thought Chelsea Handler had the the types of material, the type of material. I was like, "God damn, that joke we talking about them being [ __ ] and the only reason they only going to Saudi Arabia is to go get the money." And I thought, "Hell yeah, let's go this year."

"If I if I But I don't know. You know, my feeling is I don't know. Like people say, "Well, Cheryl, why don't you do international shows?" Yeah. I don't know if it translates."

"Yes, it does."

"You would translate. Not only would you translate, but like you got to understand a lot of people learn English through comedy. So, the biggest thing that the industry missed is they thought that comedy didn't translate overseas. Okay? So, they wouldn't like spend big money on like Hollywood comedy movies cuz they're like there's no international audience. And when they stopped selling DVDs, the way that they made up for that, you know, money disparity is international box office. So then they started making all these like big action movies cuz they're like, listen, if they're not really talking, but there's action, they'll watch it overseas. What they didn't realize is that when you go overseas and meet people who speak English, a lot of times they learned English from watching Family Guy. Really? They learn English from watching The Simpsons. They learn English from watching uh the Wayne's brothers, like a big one. friends or like Ray like the Ray Romano show. What was it? Everybody loves Ray. It's like and it's it's amazing. And also now with YouTube and so much comedy on YouTube and social media since they don't have a comedy channel in their country, they'll watch a lot of their standup on YouTube really. So I was able to tour internationally for a long time simply just by putting stuff out on YouTube. And now with this success, I mean I'm sure you'll be able to do it and they know English. Yeah, that's the other thing. It's like if you're coming from a small country, you don't have your own like film studio that makes all your movies just for you, but you still need to watch TV. So, what TV do you watch? You watch America. You're right. Well, I So, you're watching all the same. Dude, when I was in when I was in the Middle East, cuz we've done Abu Dhabi, Dubai, we did the Riad Festival and like, how was it? It was awesome. Really? It was awesome. And they did How dirty could you go? As dirty as you want. Girls can do that. Yeah, there was gay girls on it. Really? Yeah, they killed him. No, no, no, that's not true. That's not That is not true. They killed him. They killed him. They had a falcon just peck at them all. Get her. Get there. You're stupid as hell. Well, that's why I'm doing an animated uh vehicle and it's for nothing but comedians and it's how we talk at the roast. how we talk when we're just talking to each other and and I'm I'm hoping that Netflix will be interested in that."

"Oh, what I was just what I was saying about that was that like a lot of them are getting a lot first of all, a lot of them are like just getting educated in America and they're more aware of American isms and culture than Europeans. Really? Yeah. Because Europeans like a lot of them have like built up they have their own TV shows, they have their own everything. So it's like yeah, maybe they'll watch a big blockbuster American movie but not as much. Right. But if you're from like a small country in the Middle East, the only thing you're watching is foreign [ __ ] Really? Yeah. They don't have 40 sitcoms that are all made there, there's just not enough people for it. So they're more aware of our like slang. They're more aware of our cultural [ __ ] than maybe if you went to France or if you went to Belgium. So you would crush over there."

"Well, I would tell you it's uh I knew something was different in walking through the airport. stared at. Yeah, I'm getting stared at. Or it's not just the flight attendants. It's like really young dudes are gazing at me. I'm like, "What's happening? Do you know me or what's happening?" And it's all these people that are I don't know. It's um it's a word for it. The What is it? Involuntary celibacy."

"Oh, incelss."

"Yeah. Yeah. Incelss. Involuntary celibates. Yeah. Yeah. The incels. Yeah. They're horny."

"Why are you laughing? Remember when you were in Japan? Remember how horny those guys were? These guys are hornier."

"Yes. Oh, wait. I rode the train. This ain't going to protect you."

"No. No. When I rode the train in Japan when I was in the military and I was on train, you know, train, they they do some wild [ __ ] on the train in Japan. And this dude just walked up and started rubbing my skin."

"Wow."

"And I was like, what the [ __ ] is where's the police? What the [ __ ] is happening? And and the translator said, we nuked them. And they're different now. They've never seen it. They've never seen it. They never seen anybody alive with this color skin. So, they were fascinated by it. But it was stimulating and I was like, well, get me off the train. I disappear. But to me, uh, and a lot of people that was, oh, you sold out. They offered you a special and you just took it to let them crucify the black community like that. That's not what happened. What happened was you can't respond to all the like there's always going to be some there someone out there is going to have but I I felt I need to eat off these jokes. I didn't want I don't like to record material. I want to be Henny Youngman. Take my wife please until I die. I want to cuz I believe you can write jokes every day but you can only polish them on stage."

"Yes, that's true."

"So do you have jokes in your set that are years old?"

"No, not years."

"Yeah. See, I got stuff that's decades old that people you bring specials already. Um, I did Laugh of Palooa with Jamie Fox uh and for and Jamie Fox and Marcus King, but I wanted to put the September 11th material on film. Um, because I was proud of our country, but I was getting booed when I came out as I I'm a Republican and I'm a I like a Bush Baby Bush Republican. I was like, get they asses, get them, right? You know, and and the jokes, if you go back and look at the laugh, a woman that grew up in a military family that ended up going into the Air Force herself."

"Yeah. But but crazy idea."

"Well, but you know, we were Republicans before we were Democrats, you know, and then so if you if it wasn't Trump saying things, we would be into a lot of this [ __ ]"

"I think you're right. But but Trump and what's happening now. So you voted for this [ __ ] and now he done [ __ ] [ __ ] up. But but I'm giving both sides and then you got the Clintons on the other side which allows you to tell the greatest That's right. and the greatest dick jokes in the world. Right. So to me that's the set. But then when Netflix made me an offer I couldn't refuse cuz I kept saying no. Uh no I I got to live off of this. This is how I eat. I don't have a TV show anymore and I have responsibility but I also have people who depend on me."

"You can write new stuff. We saw you put together new stuff on stage. You can't polish it on stage. Now, how'd you do it over all these years?"

"Well, well, but with the roast, see the not the roast. I'm saying your act over years. This is decades. You had to if something happens on and I go, oh, what do I want to talk about? And then, but then I lose some things. You know, I got great Oprah Winfrey jokes, but then I lose it. And then, do I get to talk about the homosexuality stuff? And then I'm trying to figure out, do I want to bring those jokes back to go, this is how I got cancelled. I got cancelled from telling this joke. I kind of want to construct a special special like that because I want people to get to know me, but I also want people to understand this is what I think is funny and this is what I want to say when you were booing me because I said uh I like President Bush. Yeah. I want him to get their [ __ ] asses right. But you booing me for this, but you you you cash the checks that he sent. You hate this [ __ ] but you cash the checks. Now Trump is a totally different entity. Yeah, he should have stayed his ass at home. Stop [ __ ] with the Knicks."

"We be That's right. That's right. You [ __ ] right. But you you selfish ass [ __ ] You came out here. You [ __ ] up traffic. You did all this [ __ ] You should have stayed your ass in the White House."

"Did you go last night?"

"No. I I was in the vicinity, but the police told me, "Stop wandering your little hoish ass around looking for sad friends to HAVE SEX WITH. THERE WAS A LOT OF THEM. THERE WAS A LOT OF CLEAN up that night."

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"Are you a Knicks fan?"

"I'm a sports enthusiast. I I'm more football player. I tried basketball players. I'm going to tell the story in the book. Uh, someone from the 76ers pulled me out of a comedy club and I it was the greatest experience. So, we're putting it in the book."

"Oh, are you gonna say the name?"

"Uh, I I'm not sure because some of these men uh we're going to change the name to Protect the Innocent. We don't know if they're married now, you know, we don't know. But it's a great It's a great story. It's a a really great story. It involves um the fact that I'm rarely alone anywhere because I just feel like getting [ __ ] up. somewhere, you know, uh, looking for Mr. Goodbar. Remember that movie where old girl is out there [ __ ] dudes and the dude stabs her at the end of the movie. So, no spoiler alert movie, but but I'm never alone. So, the person who knows, people have witnessed me be infatuated by somebody."

"Wait, can you can you I don't want to give the book."

"More football players than basketball players."

"But this basketball player, let's there's a fake name. Maybe it was his he was known as Dr. K."

"No. Okay. No, if I could have I would have if I could. There were a couple of people that I was going to get. Yeah, man. There's a couple people I was like, "Hey, so what are you doing after this?" Or they'll say, "I don't even like that short darkkinned girl. You don't like me now, but you will like me later." You know, I know how to keep a secret and I got one good skill. One one good skill that I know and that's what I talk about in the show. I talk about in the show what what I can do and what I can't do, but those jokes I try not to record them all the time because you want to hold them for a big moment."

"Um, no. I really like for people to have fun in it because I like sexual material. I like profane material. I like racial material. Uh, spiritual material. Uh, I talk about uh abortion. Uh, I talk about uh transgender. Matter of fact, when Shane and I were talking, we almost have the same topic structure, topic list. That's right. And so I was like, "Oh, so I'm going in the right uh direction." Either you're going to be offended or you're going to laugh real hard. You know, sometime people yell out, "I came here to hear comedy." I tell her, "If there's a white man yelling, hold on, sir. I'm going to get to some material that you're really going to appreciate. Let me get through this. 10 minutes."

"That's right. Let me get through this political stuff cuz this political stuff is for them. Yeah. And for us, you know, but that's what I like about the comedy, be able to do topics. And"

"C, can I ask you a Chicago lore question?"

"Um, Bernie."

"Bernie, man."

"Bernie is like transformative for me in like my comedy life. Well, I saw him I remember watching Kings of Comedy in a movie theater on 11th Street and Third Avenue with four of my friends and it was the hardest I've ever ever laughed watching something. Eddie was the hardest I ever laughed listening. I listened to an audio cassette with my dad was Eddie Murphy. Eddie's Yeah. Delirious. And I listened to it with my dad and that big I think that moment right there made me become a comedian many years later. Yes. But Bernie, it was I was watching somebody that like I just never had seen someone be so naturally funny that I didn't even know if it was jokes. I didn't know if it was a set. I didn't know if somebody that was truly like listening to the crowd. Yes. Like the crowd was like an instrument for him. So it was like material, but also I know how to play off of your energy and the words at that time to talk about the little boy. Yes. And the and the F with the two. That's right. That's right. That's right. And he kind of muffled it when he said and him downstairs. Him downstairs. Some milk can cook."

"Yes. That's right. But but most people don't know him in Chicago."

"Look, Bernie was a mentor to all of us that were coming up. You were watching him when he had his like cuz he had a room, right, that he would host weekly that we would go do the room and he would do uh the cotton club and we would go do the cotton club. But we knew Bernie from the neighborhood. He was He was called Blue Growing up. Yeah, he was blue cuz he was so black. He was blue. That's what we were calling. Hey, what's up, Blue? You know, and he would come to my neighborhood because the I think he was friends with the Cobb family across the street in my old neighborhood in Chicago. So, when we were coming up as comics, matter of fact, it was Bernie that was telling us, "Dress up, come on time." You know, he was a mentor to us as comics. And when when they did the 25th anniversary of Death Comedy Jam, I ain't afraid of you, [ __ ] And Chris Rock said that two people he didn't want to follow. Was Oh, no kidding. Sher Underwood and Bernie Mack. That's right. It was Chris Rock said he didn't want to follow either one of us. But Bernie, a big brother to us. And then when they did when you would watch him at that at that room, what was the name of the room that he would do weekly?"

"It was two of them. It was uh the Robert's uh 600 room, I think. And then he did the cotton club."

"Cotton club. Okay."

"A cotton club. He's hosting it, right?"

"Yes."

"Is he every night just doing different stuff? Is he riffing every night? So it was purely he was like a magician in a way like he was in his purest form. He's a comedian. He could just hold attention and like Absolutely. And and for Bernie, if you're talking about the comedians that you look up to and study, because I tell young comics, what can you tell me that I need to learn about comics? I said, find your favorite comic and study mechanics. Yeah. Don't don't don't take jokes. Yeah. Yeah. But learn how to tell jokes. Learn how to hold attention. Learn what they cadence. That's why the social media comic is good. Yeah. But if you don't have a point of view and a set structure, what happens when those that that those sketches are not hitting? Yeah. Right. Or your crowd. It's different on stage. It's just a different It's a different You got to learn it. So Bernie Mack was one. And And I would say for me when I was coming up in comedy, uh Mitch Headburn."

"Yeah. Mitch was fantastic."

"So So I was in love with Mitch. I was like, if we would just marry each other, we'd be a power couple. So you just loved him as a Did you love Cuz Mitch was operating on two frequencies. He was he was like you weren't sure if he was playing a character. This was truly him. Yes, but you weren't looking at somebody who was being like the quintessential straight man."

"He was different and he was on his own rhythm and then he would have these jokes that seem like they could come through a personality like he had but he's operating on two like you could laugh at him without telling the jokes."

"Absolutely. Absolutely. And Bernie had that too."

"Bernie had it too. Uh uh Bill Hicks."

"Hicks. Hick Hicks Hicks is like structure but he point intellectually sound, you know, cuz I'm old school. I I'm I'm watching comics. People said, "Well, did you realize you were a black female comic?" No, I really believe that I'm a old Jewish comic from somewhere."

"This is so cuz when I came up all I was watching was Def Comedy Jam. That was my only real introduction to comedy. I didn't really know I didn't I never saw Seinfeld do standup. Like I knew he had a TV show. So, but that's all that was on TV for me."

"Yeah. See, I'm talking about old school Lenny Bruce, you know? I'm talking about that old school Richard Prior to I was in a room where Richard Prior was in the room and I just felt this energy pulling me and I felt like don't do it because I'm like, have you ever been in a room with No, I just stood behind him. I stood behind and just digested. No. Um, same thing with Michael Jackson. um when they were doing those rallies for Michael Jackson to protect him and I was in in one of those uh events, right? And sometimes you don't want to walk up to the person because you don't want to break that energy that's that's pulling you toward them. Um after the BET Comedy Awards, the first one, uh Eddie Murphy was in the room and I ran up to him, but I stopped

myself. He was wearing this coldblooded vanilla outfit, vanilla sweater, had to be cashmere, vanilla slacks, everything matched, right? And I almost reached out to touch him and I pulled back. I said, "Mr. Murphy," and he said, "I know exactly who you are, Sherlock Underwood." I was like, "God, wow." Right?

You know, so when you, for me, I never want to intrude on someone's energy. I would rather even when I was going to the Republican conventions and and going to the DNC you icons in politics, you know, Bill Clinton very sexual power.

>> You felt it?

>> Hell yeah. Hell, I used to tell the story about I put my hand out, draws just fell down. I was like, what just happened? I should have wore slacks because it's it's a it's some people just have this energy >> and and this pull to you and I think people need to respect you know I know people want to run up and take selfies and do stuff sometime respect respect the energy >> especially if you really respect the person >> absolutely and it's not like we don't want to how many people walk up to you and want to take a picture and they don't care what you're doing >> a bunch I I'll be honest like as long as in my in my experience people have been very respectful if I'm with my kids or whatever. Like they're almost like embarrassed to ask. They're like, "I know you're with your family. It would it be possible?" And if you approach that energy, I'm so like >> that's how I feel. >> I'm Cuz you're basically going, I know that you're having a moment with your family, >> but if it's possible, and every single time, if I can, I will.

>> When I first did Def Comedy Jam and I said, I told my dad, I said, "People were walking up to me. They wanted to talk to me." And he said, "Well, how many black people do you know >> will be able to talk to someone they saw on TV, >> heard on the radio, saw in a movie?" >> Great perspective. >> Respect that. Yeah. >> But he also said, "No matter who the person is, talk to everybody like you're talking to Jesus, and you can't go wrong. Love it."

>> Uh secondarily, your job is no better and no worse, but respect what other people do for a living and respect their time. >> So for me, >> and I I'm a female comic who's very male directed. I'm very patriarchal. That's why my sets were constructed. When I first started doing comedy, women were popping out of my show like the great pumpkin. I'm not sucking no man. I'm not doing. And I'm like, but that's why you sitting by yourself. >> Or that's why you mad that your man is talking to me cuz I'm not pretty like, you know, I'm not I'm not the stereotypical aesthetic attractiveness. I'm more intellectual. I'm more energy driven. I'm more like I can talk sports and politics and current events but I'm also >> wifey. >> Yeah. But I know okay now that's the question then. Let's ask the question. Then if I am that then why can't I find him?

>> You got to let them get out their system. >> What do you mean? >> Yeah. Like when you're young when guys are young they want to wear the cape. You know what I mean? They want to fly around a little bit and have some fun. But like eventually you don't want like some 23-year-old sitting next to you on vacation just, you know, scrolling her [ __ ] phone the whole time. You're like, I'd rather shoot myself in the head. I want something that I can enjoy and have fun with and uh loves to do that thing you love to do.

>> Well, but here's the catch. I think that some men Absolutely. And I I I would like go, okay, depends on how long you want this to be. If you wanted one night, you can have it all one night, but I'll never talk to you again. >> Oo, is is what is it? We didn't build nothing. What is this? You want to hit it and quit it? I'll show you what hit and quit it is. And they usually look all pitiful. You know, that's why I sneak out of rooms cuz they looking sad. I thought we were going No, you saying >> I see why the guy in Japan was having a hard time, >> right? But you said you just want you said you said you just want this. Okay, I'm going to give you what you said you wanted. >> But then most guys are not used to a woman being as like upfront with what she wants as you are. Well, it's rarely what I want. I will trade a man. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Intimate. I will trade you for me to get intimacy. Yeah. >> In my past, I would trade you an action for intimacy. >> And now you're not going to do that anymore. >> I try not to. Nick tickets $150,000 NICK TICKETS. I GOT TO DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, EXCHANGE AIN'T NO ROBBERY. >> Hardwood for hardwood. RIGHT. AND I'M NOT DOING it fun for fun of tickets. I'm doing it to show my appreciation >> that you would consider me worthy of these on the floor where I get to slap Spike League and go, "Man, look at this."

>> But I I would like a man to understand while standup comedy is very strong. >> Yeah. >> It's very sexual thing to do when a woman is doing it. I want to be your companion. I want to be your wife. I want to pick up the dry clean. I want to cook when I come home. >> That's a that's a tricky combo for you because you need a guy who is not intimidated by your strength and your leadership and your intelligence and like the >> straight talk that you do. >> Yeah. >> But at the same time is is is confident enough to lead you in certain times. And are you confident enough to let them lead is the question. >> Um absolutely. If you come to me as a man >> Yeah. uh maybe a traditional man, but if you come to me as a man, then I'm like, "Oh, this this dude is thorough. He got it. Okay, he ready." It doesn't matter race, it doesn't matter age, um it doesn't matter station in life. Uh however long I got on this earth, I want to find somebody I can build with that understands this is my job. This I'm going to do my job. I'm not sleeping with everybody on the road. I'm not doing all this stuff. Matter of fact, I can't wait to come home to you. And most people don't understand when you do standup comedy, you're quiet. When you, well, you don't want to talk to me. No, I've been talking. I've been talking. And all this adrenaline is running through my body after the show. So, I want to call somebody. How was the show, baby? It was good to this this. Do you miss me? Of course, I miss you, [ __ ] When your flight land, I'm looking for that guy that understands you have a job. So do I.

>> What has been the nature of your relationship history lately? Have you been dating? Um, well, I guess you got to go outside to date and I'm I'm kind of a homebody. Uh, kind of reclusive. Um, but if somebody would ask me out most for the past few decades, most men just kind of stare at me or gaze at me and I think they think I have somebody. So, they don't they don't ask me. >> They don't they don't talk. They don't go, "Sure, so at the show. Would you like to go out for coffee?" >> Yeah. They're probably intimidating. You sound like an incel. >> Yes. >> But I I think see I I've heard that from women. They're just intimidated by your success and your power and your education. I don't know a real man who's intimidated. >> There's not a lot of real guys. >> Well, that's right. A real man looks at me as an asset. >> Yeah, of course. >> Right. If if you're quiet as a man, but you're still strong. >> Expensive, though, Cheryl. >> That's what makes them assets. >> What do you mean? >> Assets are expensive. You buy an asset. A home is an asset. Assets are expensive. >> Yeah, but what if we build a home? >> You ever seen a man buy a home? You know how intimidating that is? >> Well, it's fun. >> It ain't fun when you go and get a loan from the bank and they tell you how Oh god, it's so >> pass inspection. >> That is intimidating. No, get in a hotel room for a night. >> That's That's See, to me, I I go into it as, okay, what do I need to have this? What I need to have this? Okay, check it out. Check it out. and I send in my lawyer and I send in my accountant and I go, "Okay, don't come back without it and then let's go." And I do my job. But see, to me, that's the kind of guy, but that he's more traditional. >> Well, that's what you'll end up with then. >> Yeah. Uh somebody that's more traditional. Uh somebody that understands. I want somebody that I can talk to about things and go, "Did you hear this? Did you hear that?" And then somebody that understands. I don't know everything. >> Yeah. >> I may project leadership, but I want you to teach me something. M uh change tire. Uh let's talk about cryptocurrency, which I don't understand. >> Yeah, nobody nobody does. No. >> See, I think it's speculation. It is all specul if you can get your money in there, you know. But see, to me, this is what I wish people would understand about comics. We have to know a lot about everything. Yeah. >> And then we have to keep working and then we have to find other revenue streams making content. So that's why, you know, I'm doing a great American talent search because I want to bring back the variety show type structure and take it all over America. That's going to be my next tour. Wow. After we do this because I think there's a way to merge my daytime persona with the person they saw on the roast. >> Oh, interesting. >> Right. And do it all over the country and then turn it into maybe a TV show vehicle. Um, but anything is talent. But if you sing or if you are in a singing group, you have to master the past. Classic rock, classic country, classic soul, classic hiphop, classic Latin. So you have to do some old school stuff that we cuz nostalgia works >> of course. >> But if you're a young person doing it or if you're the white fire department somewhere doing new edition. >> Yeah. >> See, that's going to bring America together. And they got gospel plays that, you know, we're putting on college campuses, you know, PWI's, H.B.CU's, community college, because I think people need to learn both sides of the entertainment business. You think you want to be a performer, but maybe you're not the performer. Maybe that's right. Maybe you're audio. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, and then I want to try to do something that brings jobs back to California >> cuz we just want to drive to work and come home and sleep in our own beds. >> There's a lot There's a lot needs to change for that to happen. You're talking about entertainment jobs, right? >> Yes. How so? >> I think like the the easiest way of looking at it is to just say uh oh the the unions are doing this or the city is making that. >> I think that probably the more nuanced way to look at it is that um for a long time making a movie in a place like California >> was not only the easiest but also the best. Like you had the most talented crews there. And when I say the crews I mean like the lighting guys, the audio guys, whatever. And then as equipment got less expensive and as people got trained in other parts of the world, >> they could start to be competitive. Like you saw what Tyler did in Atlanta in Atlanta, right? >> And like that's working within politics like getting these tax rebates and all these other things. And like >> there are other places in America that did it and there's other places internationally. Like we just did this movie Street Fighter, remember the video game? >> So we shot that in Australia and I think it's like 60% off to shoot it out there. Mhm. >> But why can't the first the the right political leadership, the right financial structure? >> So I think what has to happen is like there's got to be like an incentive incentive structure and like I think the easiest version of it is to just be just to like point fingers and blame. >> Yeah. >> But there's another part where you just go, okay, like California has been incredibly successful and prolific in making like film and TV for a while. >> Now other places can make highle film and TV. So maybe California goes, okay, in order for us to stay competitive, we'll have to change some things. >> That's right. It's going to have to be a paradigm shift. >> That's the that's the free market economy. Like that's bring a budget to if you if I want to make a movie and you bring a budget and and California says, "Okay, you do that here and we're going to help you pay to do that here." I think people have to understand there's so much the the people that I worked with on the talk, >> the greatest people in the world. So when I got to the roast and I saw the same people I worked with at the talk, I felt safe. >> You're like, "Oh, wow. These people are >> Yes. That's my cameraman. That's my That's my teleprompter person." >> That's what you That's I mean like >> trust. >> We're going like I'm going to film a movie out in California this summer. Okay. >> And like >> I would imagine it's one of like a handful of bigger budget movies that that are going to be filmed there, which is good. >> Yes. Cuz there's nothing about this movie where you need to film it there. >> Yes. >> It was decision made where they're like, "We're going to make this here." >> But did you have to do reasonably priced other places to get to the money, the finance money? >> I I would imagine there was like good financing behind the movie. And there was >> Can I tell you something honestly? Uh not because I apologize for cutting off. Yeah. But okay. So, while I was working at the top and I have people that like I'll write the three to five pages and then I'll hand it off to somebody and go just give me a script. Doesn't have to be perfect. Why? Because the first draft is not the last draft. So, I have all these scripts. You go to the agents get agency, they tell you why it's not good. Okay. But I just watch some stuff that this is horrible. So, why how did that get financed? >> Good doesn't always mean it gets made, >> right? So I think what happens without going like too inside baseball like I think what happens is like there are different networks that have objectives. >> So they go hey we're going to make a show for young adult males. >> Yes. >> So you might have the best idea. >> That's what my animated vehicle is. It's for young adult males. >> So then then your agent's got to find a streamer that is looking for something for young adult males. But if you're a streamer that's like, "We're looking for 24 to 40 women." And you present them that, they might think it's amazing and they might go, "It's just not what we're looking for." And they might choose a shittier >> project that actually fits their >> fits, right? But for me now, for people that say, "You sold out by agreeing to do a Netflix special." >> Why is that selling? What's the argument for that? Uh because uh there are people who believe that we just sat there and took the beatdown of our culture for money from Netflix. But what what I want people to understand is this is the business we're in. I was called to do a job. I believe I did the job where I also defended the culture and defended American humor. >> Couldn't you also say like just being up there is representative of the cult? Like the culture isn't one thing. I would imagine it's just like saying like Latinos their culture is just salsa. It's like it's not just that. And like you being on that stage and having that prolific set and being the talk of the industry. >> Yes. >> You could make an argument that that's a huge contribution from the culture. >> That's what I would want people to see and to see. >> Well, that's what that's what will stick. Like the controversy lasts for a few weeks and then goes away. So, it's like your longevity after this moment is the culture's longevity. That's >> it's opportunities. Opportunities. I wouldn't have these opportunities now. >> You don't think these other You don't think these other streamers are seeing what you do, what you did right there, and they see that you get a deal and then let's say your Netflix special goes crazy. This is a like the industry is a game to be second, not first. So, you don't think that they're having their board meetings going like, "Who's the next Cheryl? What if we could get another Cheryl?" Like, that's how it works. That's the game. It's like it's like um do you want Cheryl or I can't get her. >> We can't who is who is next who or they'll say get me uh and then they'll then you >> create a lane. So that's >> and that is the goal and the goal is for me >> and that's what I think sometimes maybe is lost with like what Kevin's contribution has been like. That's right. Yeah. like Kevin's contribution to entertainment. And I think a lot of times maybe we're used to it because a lot of us grow up seeing black people in like these amazingly high positions in entertainment in terms of like the comedians that we look up to or the actors etc. >> But like that also needs to be maintained. >> Yes. >> So like Kevin being >> acting and doing standup but also like doing all these advertisements like think about what that like this is again we kind of get used to [ __ ] rec being an investor, a business owner, >> a business owner, but also like T-Mobile being like, I want the face of my company >> to be that black guy. Do you think 40 years ago? >> No. Do >> you know what I mean? Like do you think these these companies 40 years ago where where a black they're having a board meeting where like can we make a black person the face of our network? >> Even now Morgan >> even now. But even now but that kind of gets lost. Not saying that we can't make things better. We should always try to make things better, but maybe there's a little focus where we look at like the success and I would hope that would also be celebrated in this moment. >> That's why I said you're not just a great comedy, you're a hell of a businessman because that's what they did. Something that makes something and continues to grow. When we had a black comedy explosion happen, did people think that one day there was not going to be a WB where there was not going to be a UPN? this is downstream from me and and I don't know then maybe that's why I get caught up and I'm like >> I understand that like the reflexive nature like you just react in the minute in the moment to something but like when things explode so many other people are given opportunities to make so like and it's it's you know to me like I'm so grateful for like the people that you know really kind of put me on so Charlmagne the God and then Rogan it's like they've both >> Charlemagne is where my book has been done >> of course under But but here's the catch though. What trying to get somewhere and then it's Cheryl before the roast >> and then Cheryl after the roast where now people are taking my call or now the agents want to okay go out this this this. >> But look at all those opportunities. So it's like that's that's what these things can create. So >> prepared content. But now what we need and I I wish this for I'm going to say specifically female comics. It's not just you getting on or it's not just you doing a movie. Okay, now we're going to produce. Now we're going to make content. We're going to make animated stuff. Not just for us. We're going to make it for the marketplace. Right. So, we should be making sitcoms and movies. And then we should say, okay, you only going to give me 250,000. I'm going to make the movie for 250,000. >> It's a show. She has like a micro drama, I think, or something like that. Do you Have you heard about Saray? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. M >> and it's getting like hundreds of millions of like and again it's a different metric that they're trying to understand because it's like short form on your phone whatever but I'm saying like these are >> it's the thing have you seen it it's on your phone and it's always abroad that um she meets up with the millionaire that wants to hide his identity and then somebody slaps her and he's on the phone going buy stock and put that [ __ ] out of that just slap my girl but I thought you were a chauffeur and then it it's it goes for a minute or two or And then you buy the other minute or two. And I'm addicted to this stuff. >> That's And again, this is like >> big explosions create tons of opportunity for other people. And I get the reaction. I get and people have to feel whatever they want to feel. This is America. You're you here in this country. You can feel however the [ __ ] you want to feel and say whoever you want to say about. That's the beautiful thing about it. But there is also on top of that, there's also potentially when these moments are really successful, >> so many opportunities for other people that are aligned with these moments without even realizing it. And that is the cool payoff that I think happens over the next few years and then we forget about the controversy and then we just end up seeing >> That's right. >> the when we were growing up it was like you're watching the way brothers and you don't even realize how that that might be downstream when something happened 10 years before. >> That's right. and how can we help each other, you know, this is the moment. >> This is the moment. That's why I'm coming around to talk to people that I would never have been able to talk to and say, "Oh, let's make this type of thing or or how do I structure this or um who would I come to finance it?" That that's my biggest problem with people that want to live in their own little silo. So, if you don't step out of that silo, you will never understand why Netflix is now interested in Sherlock. >> Yeah. You could have fought the other comedians at the roast or you can go on their shows, go on their podcasts, collaborate with them on projects >> and to get to know them better because these are my bunch more opportunities for people that you really love that might not be afforded those opportunities. Now you're in a position to shine some light on people. >> That's that's my job to open the door. That's why the it's leadership. Am I right? That's what I'm talking about. >> Gerald, ladies and gentlemen, >> thank you so much for being here. Awesome. >> This was fun. This is fun. So, let's let's figure out how we going to make some money. >> Yeah, we need some money.