Christians vs. Jews vs. Black Hebrew Israelites | The Bridge

They all claim to trace their roots back to the same ancient texts, but what they believe about those texts couldn't be more different.

As far as I understand, blacks, Hispanics, and Native American Indians make up the 12 tribes of Israel.

Today, Christians, Jews, and Black Hebrew Israelites come together to talk about faith, identity, and interpretation. We don't disregard the law. We actually know the law is holy, is perfect. There's nothing wrong with the law.

Like if you said a blessing and you said in your God's name, I will not say amen because amen means to agree and I do not agree.

Three perspectives, one conversation. Welcome to the bridge.

I'm Holden. I'm a dasporic Jew.

I'm a Jew.

I'm Nasia. I'm a Jew.

I'm Ha and I'm a brown sugar Jew.

I'm Mary and I'm a Christian. My name is Shanas and I'm a Christian.

Hi guys, I'm Tai and I'm a Christian.

My name is A and I'm an Israelite.

My name is Rabasha Alohalani being an Emanuel and I am a Messianic Torah observant Israelite. My name is Tia and I would say I'm an Israelite but I observe my life as a true Christian. Faith and ethnicity are deeply connected.

Can I be both? No. I'm like that. That was so big.

All right. Um, so I'll start off first. Um, I believe that your background can influence your faith. For example, the Dominican Republic is the only country that has a Bible on their flag. So, someone who grows up in the DR will most likely have faith in a Christian God. Somebody in Saudi Arabia, because it is an Islamic country, will most likely become Muslim. They will have faith in a god named Allah. So will God judge you based off your background? No. Because you didn't choose to be Dominican. You didn't choose to be born in Saudi Arabia. However, where God will judge you is where you instill your faith in after you've been enlightened to the truth. However, that revelation has been revealed to you. So if the good news was preached to you by an evangelist and you've been enlightened in that aspect, God will hold you accountable on what have you done with this truth? Because identity is not salvific. What is salvific is where you instill your faith in the one true living God.

Yeah, I would agree with that. Um, I believe that it is very heavily in um where you what you grow up with is kind of what you know. Um, and I also agree with the fact that once you come into the word of God that you are to change. So it's not you are not judged by what you are. Um, but I do believe that how you grow up is how you grow and live in your own faith.

For me, it's like the reason I said no, it's I actually do agree with everything you're saying. I think that that's factually true about just the um leaning of wherever you're born or wherever you're raised. Almost a nurture versus nature conversation. However, I think of things like what the the question is faith in ethnicity, right? So like your skin tone, your um bloodline etc. So I think of things like Cain and Abel, right? Who are obviously the same ethnicity but one had faith, one did not. I think of you know Esau and Jacob of even Abraham and Lot, right? So even in that like direct kinship, we still see that one will have more faith than the other. For me, when I when I broke down this question, it's what is faith? And faith is actually believing in God and knowing in your heart that he is real and knowing which God you actually do believe in and which God you do serve. So for me the reason I said no is just that I think if maybe we said like faith and culture are you know or religion I should say religion and ethnicity are deeply connected then yes but I think faith I always say to people like you can't say that you have faith in something until you've questioned it until you have researched it until you have decided in your heart that it is true and then you have real faith so I don't think that they are while they are they start connected as far as the concept of I am of the Jewish Jewish faith. I am of the Christian faith by by birth. I think when someone has real faith in their heart, that is completely, you know, dismissed from whether or not they are brown-skinned or light-skinned or whatever it is.

And at the risk of sounding redundant, I would say that the first person that was declared righteous in scripture was declared righteous by his belief, not his bloodline. Genesis 15:6 says, "And Abraham believed God, and it was accredited to him as righteousness." Genesis 17 is when he was actually circumcised. So long before the circumcision even came into play, even was a thing for God, he was already declared righteous simply because of his belief. And the history of scripture tracks with that same concept. That's one of my favorite verses and that's probably a verse that I'll continue to circle back on.

I love that you said that because I think that's where speaking with her um there is a lot of disconnect in the Israelite um community. A lot of people would hear that I'm Israelite and believe like, "Oh, so you think there's only one race?" Well, that's not scripturally correct, right? So, I appreciate that you said that and I just wanted to say that I'm not sure where you all are coming from with understanding Israelites, but even with her and I talking, I've realized that Israelites probably wouldn't agree with me as well. So, I truly agree with what you say.

Okay. Can I can I bring it back just to surround to just the definitions because we're using a lot of words when it comes to the idea of faith or truth? And so to kind of establish like a level playing ground of faith, faith from a Hebraic perspective is amuna. And it's the idea of being securely fastened to something. So when you're securely to fastened to something, it does carry with it ethnicity. It does carry with it culture and it has to have context. It has with it, you know, origin like Abraham, but it also has to have genealogy. It has to have a connection to something because we know before you get to Genesis chapter 15, there's Genesis chapter 10. And you do have division and you do have where people went and who was selected as carrying the torch for what righteousness was. And Abraham comes from that particular lineage. He steps out as one who shows up on the scene willing to walk. The the Torah says that he's told he's told go inward, go for you. So that is a very very personal journey and that journey meant to leave his kinsmen, leave his home, leave what he knew before that that can also be you know psychosocial for some that it it is very embedded because your ethnicity is also what you're raised around. Now truth because I heard that word come out is different. Truth is the Hebrew word emmet which means the beginning the middle and the end. And I think all of us sitting in the space sit at one particular part of the story. You could say that as Jews we sit at the beginning. As Christians you could say you sit at the end and maybe Hebrews sit somewhere in the middle. And so what does that look like? And it does carry with it I think the vast you know spectrum of what race and culture actually look like and to remove that from the conversation I think sterilizes the whole ethnoreigious experience because I think it's part of that.

Yeah. I wanted to speak on that as well to address what you're saying about the countries and like where you are. My family my mother's family is from Morocco. It's a Islam. Islam is a dominant, but we're Jews. Judaism was able to be survived for generations, generations, generations until we were kicked out, went to Israel. So, I don't actually believe that like just because you're in a country, you have to subscribe to that country's faith. You can hold your own. I don't either.

I think I maybe misunderstood the prompt. I when you said that I'm wondering if maybe I misunderstood because I understood it to be that just when you grow up what you embody as your faith is based off of how you're raised and that's why I had said that I agree. So maybe I misunderstood but I thought

I think it's just translation of what how you're taking in the question and how you're basing it off your personal experience and your family story. How do you see yourself? How do you move through life now? Because like my family came like you can say well it's how you were raised but we can't isolate it in just the house that you were raised in cuz you are influenced by society as a whole. Me wearing a scarf on my head. Like, yes, you can go back and talk about the mother who raised the rabbis and they said, "What did you do?" And she was like, "Oh, I the rap the my ceiling never saw my hair." But also, my family lived in Morocco where they were Muslims and women covered their hair by law. So, you are influenced by that. I don't think it just happens in your house. You are influenced by I live in America right now. My kids are influenced whether or not we want to call this a Christian country. It's a Christian country. They're influenced by that regardless of what we're teaching in my home. They go into

Would you would you equate that with faith? Because I think, you know, we're we have to make that distinction between religion or even religious practice and faith for me. Believe in your heart.

What do you truly believe in your heart? There's a lot of people growing up, as you said, you can be in an Islamic nation and not have faith in the Islamic God because in your heart you believe in, you know, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and and Jacob.

And I wanted to say something to what you said earlier. You mentioned the word Emuna. I love that word. It's almost identically my last name. I'm Ebo. And um when I look at it, I've always understood that it meant loyalty. And on all accounts, loyalty is a choice. Yeah. And you made a statement that ethnicity has to I'm maybe paraphrasing wrongly but ethnicity has to be included. And my question was why would ethnicity have to be included in something that is loyal. Why is it diminishing everyone's choice? I don't think that aligns with the character of God. I think at all times God is valitional. We are created in his image meaning we are also valitional. That we also always have a choice to choose him back. Ethnicity does play a a significant role. My understanding according to scripture is and we'll probably get into this later is your ethnic background determines the responsibility or your election rather I'll use that specific term and regeneration of the heart determines relationship and I have scriptures that I would use to support that later but that's the distinction. So I'd like to know from you why does it have to include ethnicity? Why isn't loyalty a choice on your view? So I think the basis for what we all ascribe to in some degree is the you say the Old Testament Torah, Tanakh,

right?

It's ethnoreigious.

So it is a group of people who have a particular set of culture and customs that define what ethnicity is. It's not just skin color. Believe you me, if you know anything about Africa and the Near East, the spectrum is from one end to the other. And I'm not just talking about with what we see today. It was like that during biblical times. They were all brown and melanated, but it was on a spectrum. And so you have this reality that it is it is ethnic. It is very ethnic because our ethnicity determines how we approach all of those other things. So I think it has to start there as origin. I would also think that you would agree that you have a messiah, a Christ who starts off with an ethnic origin. That bloodline is everything your faith hinges on and that's very much ethnic. That ability to be passed down that he belonged to this particular bloodline from this particular place from this particular culture born in Nazareth of all of those things have have with it though an ethnic background. He was born a certain way under a certain

spectrum that makes him qualified or by some disqualified to be who he is and that is ethnic. And Abraham carries with him the ethnoreic b ethnoreigious basis of the faith that we all believe in. He is i. He's one who has crossed over but also he comes from shim. They came off of a boat and they were also divided and they carried with them not only a particular bloodline and particular bases that you can't be grafted into. I won't leave that part out. That you can have election into by practice by joining in. But also it does carry with it a basis for who is given the the opportunity not a right opportunity. Scripture says that God the other nation said until the time until the time of the such and such was fulfilled. So with that being a reality we know that it was kind of you know please don't hate me but I'm going to give you some push back because you didn't answer my question. My question is why does it have to be? You gave a history and it was beautiful and you said that this is you essentially gave me a conclusory statement like it is an ethnoreigious text. That's a fact. But you didn't answer my question as to why does it have to be why does faith have to be based on ethnicity as opposed to choice. So I really would like an answer if possible.

No. So to just a very basic faith is based on ethnicity because that is the establishment of this book. That's how it is established. It's established with an ethnoreigious basis. So it is going to be that way. Is there the inclusive inclusion of everything? Absolutely. But it's established based upon ethnicity. Now, how we define ethnicity, I think we could probably come back around to I'm going to define it as culture and context and one group's ability to carry something and then pass it on to another within confines as defined in this case by by Yah by God.

So, um I do want to speak to the the ethnic is the ethnic versus faith or ethnic does it have to be one thing? In my opinion, it does have to be one thing based off of the scriptures. As far as I understand, blacks, Hispanics, and Native American Indians make up the 12 tribes of is the 12 tribes of Israel. The book specifically is to the 12 tribes of Israel. All over the scriptures, the God is saying that he's the God of Israel and none else. He's made that distinction in Joel. Um, so I think that it is directly tied and I think that Deuteronomy, despite where you are in the world, Deuteronomy speaks to the fact that we'll be spread all over the world. I'm not speaking about necessarily ethnicity as much as I'm speaking to the link to with the curses. So Deuteronomy says that these people will go through these things. If your lineage has a history of going through these things, you would identify yourself as an Israelite. For example,

a lot of people would look at a lot of people would look at Drake's son, Adonis. He has blonde hair and blue eyes. They would say, "Well, he couldn't be an Israelite." A lot of people would feel like that because I just said blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans are the 12 tribes of Israel. But his father and his father, his grandfather are technically black men. They very well could be Israel. They could be something else, but they very well could be Israel. And so that would make him an Israelite regardless of his color. In my opinion, um the whether or not you're an Israelite is not based on a look. There's been a lot of mixing. Blanca was a thing in the Hispanic culture. there's been a there that same thing is being influenced now in the black culture. So it's not necessarily based off of look, but it is based off of what is outlined in the scriptures as far as what these curses would would or how these curses would be connected to a certain people and how you would be able to tell that these people are specifically the people of God.

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No, no, I agree. I just I I apologize to cut you off on this. I just I had that reaction because I don't think that anyone can decide who God wants to receive.

Well, that's why that's why you're not Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'm telling you based on my religion, my practices and my experience. Okay? And my experience is that I did a conversion and you can very much so convert into this this people. Abraham was one of the first

Abraham was one of the first people to join our people. Sure. He left his home and he left the gods. He used to do gods and idols and he left and he joined. Right. Okay. Leah and Ruth.

Yeah.

And several rabbi. There's several people that join because Hashem which we say Hashem Hashem the name I speak Hebra I live in Jerusalem I live in Israel is we have many names to God. Hashim is one of the names and it's a very like soft way to go and speak to our father and he says that anyone that is only going to follow him the true God can join go through the mikvah. I think in Christians you guys have baptism we have the mikvah and we go in it's called a suf the yamsufa. You can go through a suf and become can I finish? Yes. Okay. You become a suf of your mother or you can come through the sou of a mikvah. So by our tradition absolutely and hashem does not see we are tribal. We have 12 tribes. If you were gushan or I'm I'm also I'm half ebo. I'm do ebo believe that we are from god the tribe of god and we were warriors and we're from one section. Okay. So color we even ate different. We move different just like I'm the baby of nine and my sister cooks differently than myself. We have to think of Judaism like a tribal. And so when I join the people, okay, I come with a complete hakic ideology of joining my people. But it's not decided by anyone but us. This is our tribe. This is how we decide it. That's how it goes. You can according to our tradition, you can join the Jewish people by joining the Jewish people. We have a entire list of things that you can do to become part of people. So I'm just explaining my experience and what is according to us.

Okay. I just the only the and I know you want to speak we want to hear from you as well. But the only thing I would push back on that is it doesn't align with what has happened in scripture. Right. When we see Ruth Ruth decided to become one of God's people. She said I am going to follow your God. It wasn't them deciding to receive her. she decided to believe in their god and then she was grafted into that family. So I the concept of the Jews being the ones who get to decide who are gods, you know, or are allowed to worship their god or who is allowed to follow their um their god. That's the only thing that's difficult. I I agree with you. Converts can convert, right? But the concept that you guys can look at someone and say, I know you want to follow the God of Abraham, but I'm not going to receive you. That is not your that's but but also but also just a second also when Ruth joined when Ruth when Ruth joined she we have something called cahila a community and her cahila took her in. Why did they take her in? Because of no me. So you have to also understand there's concept there's a concept anybody can say anything. I can go right now into the bank and say I want to do this. But there's also a there's also a context that comes with that. So yes, Ruth absolutely wanted to follow Nomi after her after her husband and her sister's husband were you know passed away and were murdered or whatever happened there. But the Kahila still had to take her in and that is what you're that's the key. The community had to take her in.

If I can add my family we trace our Jewish lineage through the Akan tribe in Ghana. Um and our people are um there is a portion of the tribe that still practices Judaism to this day. Um my family is a part of a group of returning Jews. So generations we got removed from our faith and we rediscovered it through our belief. Our nishama always knew was always traditions that we kept in our family. I think the key distinguishing factor here is that after what is often considered the Sinai covenant, right? Jews were given the responsibility to hold Jewish law, to maintain Jewish law, to make distinctions about who was a part of the Jewish people. That is a part of our responsibility as Jews after the Sinai covenant. Before that, people can consistently trace Abraham was this, this person believed this, this person believed in Hashem. That is still plausible, right? Even in Judaism, we have the Noahhide laws where non-Jews can practice and believe in Hashem without having to convert at all. Right? So, it's not that we're sitting here dictating who gets to be a part of God. I think we also have to distinguish chosen people is has been mixed up over time in society to mean that we're the only people who can follow God or we're the only people who can talk to God or we're the only people who can deal with God. That's not true. Right? In Judaism, we hold the responsibility of keeping halaka, keeping Jewish law, which is the combination of oral law that has been passed down since Sinai and on. So, it's not necessarily determining who gets to believe in God. It is saying if you want to follow what we have been given since si as our role in society as the people who shine light to the other nations to tell people how they should follow God as a template for how to follow God. That is why we need to help determine it because that was our responsibility after Sinai. So when Ruth said what she said she made a decision I made a decision because my family was returning. So we had to go through a similar process as converts, right? Even though we did not convert because we already had Jewish ethnicity, we had to make sure it was in alignment with Halaka and a rabbi had to sign off on that and say, "You have been a part of the Jewish people and you have hoically returned to be a part of the Jewish people. It is our responsibility to safeguard the faith, to safeguard the tradition."

Okay? So you can convert, but that won't make you a part of God's chosen people. According to what I'm what I read um there have always been converts and um the one of the first was antipator the adumian and from his line we got which you give me allow me to elaborate I love talking y'all have some stuff well antipator I do historically world history says the antipator that I Dum man was the king or the lead over Judea at that and he was given the kingship over Judea by Caesar by uh Julius Caesar

right so from his line we got he he was a king over Judea meant he wasn't a Jew right but he was given the area because Julius Caesar conquered the area

colonization colonization something like that right so from his line we get king Herod right so later on in the in the newer Testament where Christ was being born, Herod was saying, "Go and kill all of the kids under two." Cuz he was looking for he wasn't a an Israelite man, but he was a king over the Israelites. Um later on,

well, he he would have been a convert because he came from the he came from the line of antipator, the Idumian. And Idumians are the children of Esau, right? And Esau was not given the blessing, right? So, so

we have Antipator, we have Herod, and then later on we have King Agria in the New Testament that Paul addressed and he said, "I know you to be expert in all of the customs concerning the Jews." He knew that he was not a Jew, but he was expert in the customs because there's always been a school for people to learn who wanted to learn. You can learn. You should learn because ultimately when Christ returns, everyone will be keeping the commandments. Everybody's going to convert. But that doesn't mean that you're going to be you converting you understanding what you ought to do doesn't mean that you are a part of the chosen people. So this is why I preface with what I said earlier. Um and I really wanted to say it because when you said this you Hebrews um and while I respect everyone here I I find that hard and disheartening for you to say that um while I understand and agree and read that there is a chosen people. I do see that he is for Israel. He also is written though that he is not a respector of persons. Amen. And so by your blood you are not given the kingdom but by what you're judged. And what are you judged by is your works. So that's why even when I sat here I said I sat here as an Israelite but because scripture tells me when I live a certain way that I will be Israel um because he is coming back for Israel but that doesn't mean the people who say I am the blood Israel are only get in the kingdom because there's an adoption that's going to happen. So I just wanted to clarify that and really speak to that because

not everyone is the same in the thoughts and I just wanted I think that was an important distinction.

Romans nine for they are not all Israel which are of Israel. So that's just an acknowledgement.

That's very interesting.

Jesus is the only path to salvation. I am messianic and a Torah observer. Um, and we can see clearly in the Bible that um, the God who is the God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament. There is no shadow of turning in him. and to say explicitly and definitively that salvation is unto the profession of Yahosua or Yeshua um is not explicitly demonstrated in the Old Testament. Um and also I think that more importantly than that because you know I see some head shaking. Um, there are remote people that live on this planet with us who will never have um exposure to the name Yahosua or to the commandments. But um he says he will write their names on a stone and he will give it to them and they will know what it is. And I think that it it's a foolish doctrine to say that if a there's a remote tribe or remote nation who never has exposure to the Bible, who never has exposure to the gospel, um that they will be cast out because at the end of the day, um every knee will bow. Every person will come before their Lord and kneel at his throne. And he will not say, "Are you a Christian?" He will not say, "Did you wear your fringes?" He will say, "Did you love your neighbor? Were you a murderer? Were you an adulterer? Did you care about um what is right, what is just, what is um equitable, what is love, what is um worthy of praise?" And I do think with that exception, for people who do not have the exposure, if you have the exposure, then there's really no excuse. I have a question for you. So, I know you say like Torah observer, but do you observe the New Testament as well?

Right.

I am Messianic. Um, he says, "I come in the volume of the book. It is written of me." And so, there's no Old Testament, New Testament to me is one word. There's one God.

So, do you do you read the book of Galatians, the book of Philippians? Do you hold to that? Do you reverence that? Yes or no?

Yes, sister. It's book.

Perfect. So now that you reference to that, I I find it interesting because you said every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. You know it's in the book of Isaiah, right?

Okay.

It's found in the book of Isaiah, but have you ever read in the book of Philippians who every knee will bow and every tongue will confess to

to the name of Hamashiach?

Exactly. So that is very blasphemous to sit here and have the father say,

okay,

that every knee will bow, every tongue will confess. I'm not I'm not offending you. strange I'm not

accusation that I'm committing subject that's subjective.

It's not subjective if you just accuse me of committing blasphemy.

No, I didn't. And I'm asking you to respect me.

I didn't even I didn't appreciate your poor. We're going to be respectful. Thank you for your question.

So it's blasphemous. So it's blasphemous for someone to sit here and say to the father, "Oh, every knee will bow, every tongue will confess." But then when it comes to Jesus saying it, it's like, "Oh, no. We can't do that." The New Testament says, "Every knee will bow, every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." Right? Okay, got it. What is the point of that? Because I'm trying to connect to show you that Jesus Christ is God.

I think that's exactly what she said. She said she literally said, I mean, not that I agree or disagree, but she said that she believed that Jesus was God. So, I don't know. Did you Did you say

Yes, that's exactly what she said.

Jesus Christ is Lord and every knee shall bow. Oh, Yahosua Hamashiach is divine. He is the son of God.

Okay. So then I'm So then where is it that you say that the the salvation part is like

I'm just Yeah, cuz I'm just on your side. She was on your side.

It's because it's because her responses is throwing me off. So I'm trying to kind of understand.

I think you're judging based upon where she's sitting and not what she's saying cuz she has literally 100% aligned with what I would think would be a fundamental Christian response to

Yeah. Y'all agreed. And you said you like to sit.

So I had put the green thumbs up simply because it it's so hard choosing a side to sit because I I so I say true Krishna only the scripture and the scripture literally says that Jesus is the only way. I mean he he said there's I can't go around it. I can't add to that. So it and that ties into him not being a respector of persons cuz it would be conflicting to say well he's here for Israel only but then say that he's going to come for only a certain people but also you can listen but also you can't that that doesn't make sense. So if the way to him is through Jesus, then it can't also be that he's only here for one person because he's here for everyone that acknowledges him. And that's I it's scripturally written.

You need a definition again because I'm going to need a definition. I actually put a green thumbs up because I needed a definition. You might need to give us some more time for this section. Can

I ask a good question because I think a lot of it is semantics because when I hear the question because it can't be an English question because it comes from a Hebraic origin. Is salvation salvation?

So what is that? And so I'm I'm kind of pretty well versed in what would be considered the New Testament? And where I see a deviation on probably both Messianic Hebrew Israelite side and probably on Christian sides is that there's a break between John chapter 1 and Genesis chapter 1 because John chapter 1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

Exactly. So

right and all things were you know the whole the whole narrative that is verbatim sheet bar elohim it that's very much Genesis chapter one verbatim. So John is bringing everybody back to the beginning. So the question is, I guess maybe I'll ask a question. Is the Jesus you speak of the word that was used to create and make a make a fundamental foundation of heaven and earth and everything that exists? Can I have somebody answer that question?

Absolutely.

So I would say yes. The answer that's the answer. Um, and to the specific prompt which may also integrate some of the things you've just said. The prompt is is Jesus the only way to salvation? I say yes based on the Torah. When I read the Torah, I see such scriptures like Zechariah 9 and verse 10. Nine be comes before 10 for a reason. When you read the text, you see it says, "Shout, oh daughter of Jerusalem. Rejoice, oh daughter of Zion, for your king is coming to you lowly, having salvation. He is just and riding on a donkey, the fowl of a donkey." Then verse 10 says, "And I'm going to break the bow of Ephraim. I'm going to cut off the bow and the chariot and I am going to have peace from in all of the earth or something along those lines. That's a direct tie and a correlation to Jesus's ministry. Jesus is the lowly suffering servant who came riding on a donkey which is evidenced in what happened in in obviously the New Testament scripture. Then you see passages like Micah 5:2 which says, "And you Bethlehem Epapha though you are the little of a thousands are not the least for out of you will come a ruler whose going forth is from everlasting. Where was Jesus born? In Bethlehem. Then you see such concepts like Leviticus 17:11 that says, "I have given you the blood to make atonement for your souls." Because the life of the flesh is in the blood. When you see such concepts and when you know that the Torah is eternal and it doesn't change, it begs the question, what blood is making atonement for your souls? The Christian can answer that confidently and say, the blood of the lamb who is Jesus Christ, the lamb of God, is what is making atonement for our souls? He's the same one prophesied in Micah 5:2 that's coming out of Bethlehem that will be the ruler from everlasting. He's the same one prophesied in Zechar Zechariah 9 and10 who will be the lowly servant coming with salvation riding on a donkey and then when he comes back he's going to break the bow bow of the bow of Ephraim. Can I just say can I just I want to respond because it was kind of directly to what I was saying.

I want to say I agree 100% with your assessment of how you broke down the scripture. I think it just kind of deviated from my question a little bit because I kind of was going so far with my question which is if by definition and I'm going to say I agree that you have a Messiah operating as the word made flesh and you're using the word to then confirm who he is and what he does then also along with all of those scriptures that give an idea of how he's supposed to show up then also him being lawful has to be a reality. And so why I put a thumbs up to the question is I believe in a lawful Messiah. But a Messiah that teaches lawlessness or gives people the right to think that they can operate in lawlessness is a large deviation not only from Torah but from even what is said throughout the New Testament.

Where did you because so the reason why I can read this and say okay I am in theory a Christian because I live like Christ. Um, but when I read who Jesus is, I can confirm that I want to follow him because when I read the Old Testament, I can see that he that same every single text that was written is done. And so that's where the fulfillment comes in. And so every single one not every single one that I have read when I when I am looking and to see because I was trying to figure out, well, what am I religiously? Where do I go? When I look at all the things I said, hey, there is going to be a king. There is all of the things that I was looking for. I was able to read. Well, burnt to a virgin. Hey, that was Jesus. Um, you know, all perfect without sin. That was Jesus. I'm able to see him fulfill those things. So, I'm not understanding where following Jesus means not.

Um, okay. So, when we're cuz semantics and words because I'm hearing Torah being thrown out and Old Testament being thrown out. So when you say you've read Torah like on a s Okay,

I say Tanakh, I I apologize. My reference point all the time is Old Testament. When I say Torah and Tanakh, it's it's specifically when I'm speaking to people that have the Jewish faith. So if I misspeak and call it Tanakh, apologize.

We have a Tanak. We have a Tan.

We have a Torah and yes, I know the difference. But when I said that, I understand Zechariah would not be considered Torah. Torah is the first five books of the Bible. I fully get that. I know who wrote it. I just don't use those terms in my everyday life. So, you have to show me some grace on that.

There should be I'm not upset.

I'm not upset. It's just a matter of semantics. I want to make sure like when you say Torah, we're on the same page of like when you say Torah or Tanakh. That's all I'm saying. So, like when you say Old Testament, I'm like, "Okay, so you mean Old Test like cuz people will interchange Old Testament and Torah.

I just read Genesis to Revelation. And so when I read the Old Testament, Genesis to Malachi, like I read the Old Testament and only from this Bible.

Okay. I'm just making sure we're on the same page.

I think, and I'm going to kind of out myself here a little bit, but I actually was someone who used to believe in Jesus. Um, and because my family is returning Jews, we've been through a lot of different religious systems and beliefs before we got back to Judaism where we belong. Right. Okay. So, I used to subscribe to the same kind of belief patterns with the um prophecy in the Old Testament and and all those different kinds of things and I don't anymore. So, it puts me in a very unique position to kind of hear some of the stuff again because it's like it's it's bringing up a lot of of feelings. Um but I think at the end of the day, the context has to be that a lot of the prophecies that was stated that Jesus would fulfill or however you would say his name, I've heard a lot of variations and used a lot of variations. Um I feel like those have not been fulfilled today. Right? And I in Judaism that is a perspective that is held is the reason he is a false messiah. The reason that he is not a real Messiah. First we have to define what Messiah is because in Judaism Messiah is simply someone anointed. Someone who is anointed to come and and bring redemption. And there have been a number of messiahs historically if you want to go off of that definition. Right? The one that we're looking for, Messiah that is still awaited to come in Judaism is someone who is going to bring people back to Israel. Someone who is going to bring full peace on earth. And if he has not accomplished that, then we can't say that he is the Messiah. And I have consistently gone through both the New Testament, the Old Testament in my journey of faith to understand the fact that Judaism speaks to a Messiah that actually does have permanent work in this world. So, I hear what you're saying and I'm glad you brought that up because I was hoping someone would bring that up. So, what frustrates me in the Jewish faith and belief, right? It's that when we hear that promise to Abraham that all nations will be blessed through your seed, the difficulty with the Jewish Messiah is that this would mean that at the coming of your Messiah, it's too late for all the rest of these nations to repent and turn around. Think about this. It it was 400 years before Jewish came, right? I mean, before Jesus came. That's your the break that you guys had from the last prophet until Jew Jesus. And then since then, Jesus's name has gone across the entire world. There are some nations that still don't know him, but that's why evangelism is such a huge part of the Christian faith. This is why we have people that go to remote, you know, villages in Africa, wherever it is, and they preach the gospel. So when I see all nations will be blessed through your seed and I see a man whose name reigns above all names. Hold on one moment. And also the reality of saying bringing them back to God because I don't believe that they're just bringing them back to Israel, bringing them back to worshiping God. So we have these pagans that are out there. They don't know the true God and they are being taught the gospel and they are coming back to God through Christ and they are receiving redemption through his blood. I think that it makes more sense.

Logically, that God would go with a plan like that that would give thousands more people the opportunity to be saved. And then, as our text says, He will come in that final day of judgment, and He will bring peace on earth. And that will be the second coming of the Messiah, and also the start of the heavenly realm of the kingdom on earth. So the two things are not, they're not of each other.

I have a question for you. That question would be, um, what is redemption? Because I think that's a big distinction in Hebrew, that, right, between Judaism and Christianity. There's the end redemption that everyone talks about, and you saying it's being too late by the time that our Messiah comes. We don't believe in the Messiah coming cracking the sky and destroying the world and sending everything into a burning rage. That's not our belief of Messiah. Messiah is supposed to bring people together to follow Torah, to follow the commandments as one, because the Ten Commandments were pretty much made for everybody, for all of humanity. We are the keepers of it. But everyone's supposed to not kill, not steal, all those different things. It's not specifically for one nation. And so to assume that our Messiah is just our Messiah just coming for us is not true. It's supposed to be a world redemption. That's not what I'm saying.

That's a quick question. I'm sorry. And this is for all four of you if you want to answer. You stated that because prophecies haven't been fulfilled, He's not the Messiah. Where specifically in the Torah or the Tanakh does it say that the Messiah has to come in one coming and accomplish this in a certain way? And the reason that I'm asking that is because if you have a a Messiah that just shows up, waves his magic wand, and everyone has peace on the earth, you have an illusion. What has to happen according to scripture, and I can point out some scriptures for you, the heart has to be regenerated. Which is why Ezekiel 11:19 and 20 says, "I will give them a new heart. I will put a new spirit within them. I will remove the stony heart and replace it with a heart of flesh. Then they will follow, then they will follow my statutes and keep my judgments, and then they will be my people, and I will be their God." So what scripture, uh, says specifically that the Messiah has to come back and accomplish all this world peace, and that's the only time He gets to do it, and that's the only time He gets to come back? I don't find that in the Torah or this.

No, I would agree with you because it's progressive. It's always been progressive. It's been progressive since the beginning. The plan of redemption was rolled out from the very beginning, and it, that is how it has always been situated. There are a spectrum of beliefs amongst Judaism. Wow. I didn't know where people stand on different things because you have a lot of different interpretations. There's multiple faces of Torah and how people approach it. And so when you have the idea of redemption rolled out, I mean, we have redemption from the very beginning when God separated light from darkness because He took what? Chaos and brought order to it. You have redemption when Noah gets off the ark, and you have redemption when you have the, the, you have Abraham with his son, and he, you have redemption over and over and over again. You have redemption when you see the, the burning bush, and it says that a man spoke from the burning bush. We have questions. We have questions. Who was that? There says that that the Elohim of the Bible appeared in the cloud. Who was that? There are these questions. There is not a, a lack of questions.

We say Jesus.

Right. And the, and the reality is, we can, we can, we can split the difference on it. But the reality is, it is, it has always been progressive. What does it, what does it mean when David says, "And my Lord will sit on my, on the right hand"? We, what do you do with the Jesus? So you have...

We're going to talk after this.

No, because I got, you're saying there's a book. There's just quick five languages. You're saying you, we're, we're talking on one passage. We're coming from different, from different ideologies. Like you going into Gucci and you saying, "Where's the G's?" or "Where's the C's from Chanel?" What we're talking about is a base, but we have different ideologies. We have to be respectful of that. And it's, you say that it's Jesus for you, but it's not for us, and that's okay. We need to establish that that we are Jews. We have the Torah. We have the Tanakh, with the Tanakh, which you would say Old. I don't say Old Testament. I, I would never say Old Testament because that would mean I acknowledge that there's New. There's not New. There's Torah. There is the, there is the Prophets, and there are the Writings. This is how we do. And, and what we have, where our rabbis sit down and do exactly what we're doing is called Gemara. And I'm talking about they're snatching each other's mama's edges, like, "Your mama did this," and they're getting dirty on this one. But they're speaking to it, and they take the most popular opinion. But it doesn't mean that the other things cannot be right. So what I'm saying is, when you say, "What bothers me about the Jewish people is that," what may bother you is because you're walking into Gucci and you want pleated Chanel. You have to understand, if you want pleated Chanel, you need to find your luxury. We're all luxury, but we're different bags. We're different bags. So nothing bothers me other. For me, Christianity is Avodah Zarah. That is what my text teaches me. Because if you're talking about the laws of, of Avodah Zarah, which is idol worship, the very first, the very first in the Seven Laws of Noah, even we have seven laws for Ben Noah, because we don't, Judaism, we're according to me, we're all going to the same place if we just bow our knee to Hashem. First of all, but on to more than anything, Seven Laws of Noah is that you should make laws. You should, if a cow is standing, you shouldn't bite him. Why is him standing? There's different things. But the first one is, we say that the Shema, I say is Adonai. And the Dalet is big. The Dalet is big because Hashem is serious about one. So for me, it's idol worship. But for you, I understand and I respect that it's not okay. So that's, I just really wanted to say that that when I'm hearing it, I'm hearing that we're both, we're all luxury, but we're in different boutiques. And that's how I feel about it.

The Old Testament laws should still be obeyed today in full, too.

If it's Torah.

If it's Torah.

If it's Torah.

If it's Torah. The way that I understand it, there are five laws. There are five categories of law. There's a dietary law. It would be the things that we're allowed to eat and that we're not allowed to eat. Um, there's the sacrificial law, which is the one that, from what I understand, Christ fulfilled. There's the ceremonial law, which is the way that we keep the Sabbaths and the New Moons and etc. There's a civil law, which is the way that we deal with each other. And there is the moral law, which is how you conduct yourself. Um, so when you say all of the laws, I say no, because according to my understanding, the sacrificial law was fulfilled. Only the other four, uh, versions, the other four categories of law still stand.

I will add, um, this is the reason why it exists. This is the reason why Jewish law exists, um, and has been consistently, um, talked about and discussed and argued over by rabbis for centuries. That's why we have all of these written accounts that are found in what people call the Talmud, right? Um, and many other written works as well. Um, but that's the most substantive, right? Um, where we define what are the laws that we are supposed to be keeping in modernity, how do we keep them in modernity, and what does it look like for us to keep them in modernity? Right? Some things, like, we're not slaughtering lambs in our backyard anymore. We're not doing that. But instead, um, our rabbis have told us that the equivalent to that is prayer. And there are different types of prayer that are equivalent to different types of sacrifices. Um, there are specific ways that our rabbis have looked in the text, looked in the Hebrew, looked in the language and said, "These can be equivalent replacements to be able to still allow people in the diaspora to keep the laws." Um, and I, I think that there's a little bit of a distinguishing to make between all of the Old Testament, as it's frequently called, by people who are not in the Jewish faith, um, and the Torah, because the Torah is now, it's a system of religious laws that is set up specifically for us to follow that has its own codified set of how you do it. There is no literal reading of the text where we look and literally say, "Okay, this says that you should separate in the camp." So, we literally need to go separating in the camp. Right? Our rabbis have already told us what that should look like after thousands of years of research, discussion, and argument. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel, right? And consistently come up with new ways to look at the text myself and think of how that should work.

So, don't you, um, guys think that you, well, you don't accept New Testament because it's like reinventing the wheel with God's. Okay. So, I think that's inconsistent because you need a sacrifice to atone for sins, right? So now all of a sudden we're going to reinvent the wheel and say, "Oh, no, we don't need it anymore because we could just do it through prayer and through the other thing that you said." Moses literally says, "Do not..."

Take from or add to this word that I've. Rabbis have not taken away or added to. They have looked at what the spirit of the law, what it meant in its essence. Right? So if you look at it, right, um, in exile, Daniel, Prophet Daniel, he was, there was no temple. Babylon had already come in, destroyed Israel. There was nothing left for us to be able to do the sacrificial system. But Daniel was still a prophet. He was still considered righteous. He was still able to commune with God. How that, there's a pattern.

The word is not held to the law. And I actually, I have to address...

But he wasn't a Jew.

Really quickly, the, the young lady on the, and I apologize, I have forgot your name, but, um, you earlier said that you wouldn't be able to believe in Jesus because the Messiah has to be a law-observant Messiah. Messiah, but then now the Jews of today have changed or been been comfortable interpreting the law in a way that is more in line with, as you said, the spirit of God. So when we watch what Jesus...

What do you mean the Jews of today?

I'm going to, can I add something? I just want to finish my statement, really quickly.

I just want to finish my statement. When I say the Jews of today, I mean like yourselves. And I'm from Brooklyn, New York, right? So, they're everywhere. They're my homies. Like, I love them. But I acknowledge that they're like, "Oh, you know, we can, if we tie a string around the neighborhood now, we're technically considered home when it's time for the Sabbath." Right? So, I'm sorry. Really quickly, I just want to say, like, what I've noticed, and I did do research in this particular thing to understand the, the overall Jewish perspective, but not, not suggesting that you all believe the exact same thing. Right? My question is, when we're talking about a law that was supposed to be one, um, as Moses said, held to what it says, right? But then also, if you're comfortable saying that the, um, over the course of the thousands of years, the rabbis have been able to interpret it differently so that they can continue with what seems close enough to the law that you are still observant without having to do the things that are physically impossible, like the temple sacrifices. Right? So when we saw Jesus come and He, you know, we know that the Jews tested Him by saying, "This woman was just caught in the midst of adultery, stone her right now." And He says, "Well, any of you that, you know, are without sin, go ahead and pick up those stones." We see that Jesus was in line with the law by your standing, which is more in line with the spirit of God than with the actual exact text of what it would have said. Right? So, I just want to understand, like, why would you say that Jesus can't possibly be the Messiah when it sounds like He did go, you know, work in accordance of the law within her understanding of the law being more aligned with God's spirit.

So, I'm going to just go, I'm going to just hit the, the part about the law. And this is where we may deviate from our belief. There's a difference between what is held today as Rabbinic Judaism, okay,

and what would be understood by a very broad spectrum of people as biblical Torah observance, okay?

And so what you're like kind of maybe converging or convoluting is the difference between Rabbinic Judaism and biblical Judaism. I would argue that there is a deviation strongly between Jesus of the New Testament and Rabbinic Judaism. And so Torah observance based upon Rabbinic Judaism, you would fall short all the time.

But Torah observance based upon biblical belief and biblical Torah, you might not see that same deviation. And I think that's where the bridge is between what we're talking about. It's not really a big deviation. That's why I made that a very, very clear thing because there's a lot of parts of Judaism that's very trauma-responsive to to Christianity for very good reason. But there's also some parts of Christianity that very much deviate and have their own legal system that is very, very far away from Torah and trying to have a Christ. And I made my statement that aligns with a, a particular way of interpreting that leaves culture and context of the biblical Torah observance. I'm talking about Rabbinic Judaism and what we see presently. I'm talking about what was observed during that time. That's where we get a convolutedness between what a Christ should be doing as or Messiah and what we see in the Old Testament. And so that's why I said if it's a law-abiding savior, we can have the conversation. But when we leave law-abiding, not talk about Rabbinic Judaism, that's a whole another conversation, probably for a whole another group in time.

Bring us back.

Interesting. Interesting. Okay. We'll have to talk about this later because I would ask you then, would it have been more in line? Would you have seen the spirit of God if Jesus had stoned that woman?

You know, I had put the green thumbs up, but sister, you spoke on the sacrificial law and I realized that's not correct because I'm, I don't believe it's written that we're not to be sacrificing. Jesus is that sacrifice. Um, and so this is where I believe that I disconnect with the, the modern-day Christian. Um, because when he said to the lady, "Go sin no more." I had to understand, well, what is sin? Like, what does that mean then, right? Because if I come in and He says I can change, well, how do I change, right? Because it has to be, it had, for me, it had to be more than just a statement. So then I looked into, you know, what sin is, and biblically, it literally says that sin is transgression of the law.

So then that led me to figure out, well, what law, right? Because there's numerous, um, we have some people that are sacrificed, numerous laws. But so then when I go into Hebrews 10, it talks about how there was a law added, but not to remove. And so now I'm realizing, well, it, it can't be that one law is here, but it also, the other one is also just going to be done for because He made that very clear. So when I read that I am judged by the law, and I read that I have to change my life, and when I see what sin is, I believe for me, not to sin, by not sinning, is the law. So I don't eat pork. I do the Sabbath. I, the Ten Commandments. I don't believe it's something as structurally, it's hard for me to answer because it's not as structurally,

written as the Jews. Um, but sin is transgression of the law. So I have to figure out what law I have to follow. And that is the Ten Commandments.

Not to cut you off. So sorry. But the law says that if you catch someone in adultery, you must stone them. Right.

That is not over.

That's not how you tell us. What are you talking about?

Can I recount? So what did it say before that? You got said the law...

Before and after. It's not just reading it. It's not just before. You know, I read, I read scripture every year from cover to cover. I, I memorized scripture. I love scripture. So don't discount us and say that. So I was asking when you say you read the Bible from, I'm asking, do you read the Torah? And if you read the Torah, are you reading it in Hebrew?

I read the Bible, the Torah, the Tanakh, the New Test...

In Hebrew?

No. And that's not that's Ken. We're good. That's you can't make a judgment on me because I don't read it in Hebrew because then you're limiting God and making Him a God that is only attainable to those that speak Hebrew.

But you don't think it's limiting to have it translated in English and there are words in Hebrew that you'll never be able to understand just with a translation of English? Like you're limiting yourself. That's not relevant to what word...

You guys say sin and it's, "Oh, you're going to go to hell." But I guess if you're going to colonize everything, you have to have a bad place for you to go in order to get people to line up.

Yeah, you do. You're going to go to hell. Christianity says if you want someone raised to glory and someone raised to everlasting shame and contempt, it literally says in Isaiah 65, "The worm doesn't die and the fire is not quenched." This is what Jewish concept that was written in a different language in multiple languages.

Easy English translation. I'm cool.

I pray, and the Holy Spirit indwells me. The same spirit that is prophesied in Ezekiel 11:19 and 20, where it says, "I'm going to give you a new spirit and I'm going to pour my spirit out on all flesh." Ezekiel 36:26 prophesies of a new spirit. I have that new spirit, and it indwells in me.

How do you know you have that new spirit?

Because, how do you know you have the new spirit? It's not psychosis.

Um, everybody has an important perspective here. Um, and I appreciate all the things that everybody is saying. Everybody's making valid points. Um, the word of the Most High is alive. It breathes. And so, you know, back to whether our upbringing, our ethnicity, our culture affects our faith, it may also affect what is being said to us or how we hear it when we open up the word of God that is living and breathing and more powerful than a two-edged sword. And on whether, um, the Torah must be obeyed. Um, if you profess to be an Israelite, if you have the blood of Jews and you seek to no longer live in captivity and you seek to be free, it's an absolute must. It's a requirement to the best of your ability. But, um, I think to the nations, because the scripture does make a distinction from the tribe, tribes of Israel versus the nations, um, it may not be as simple. But the most important commandment is to love the Lord thy God, to have no idols, to love yourself, to love your neighbor. And I think that, um, when we start getting into the semantics and the debates, we're losing the sauce. The sauce is going away because at the end of the day, um, our profession is not just what we say with our lips. It's what we do with the life that the Most High has given us. And...

That's Judaism.

That's Judaism right there, baby. Action, baby. That's it right there. Come on, sister. Come on, sister. Come on, sister. So like another, when you guys speak, um, so I was Christian before I, um, became, switched my life. And I think that is something else that I find, like, the distinct thing that's what made me kind of leave is because I had understanding, well, you know, grace abounds, you're saved by grace. And so...

For me though, I, I find it hard to understand that that grace means I can kind of do whatever. I understand that He gave, I understand that He gave me the grace. And so with that, I use the law. So I might mess up, and I do mess up daily.

But that's where I find that that grace comes in, and I say, "Lord, today I tried my hardest, and that's what He died for." But I, that's where I disagree in the fact that there has to be something I have to do because, well, then I don't know what to repent for, what to apologize for. But if I'm speaking to you and I'm a little bit harsh, and I felt mad, well, I felt mad. But if I use the law to understand how to treat you, well, now I understand where my sin was, and now I understand how to repent and how to serve Him.

Correct? So, um, I want to just reconcile this because I feel like in Christianity, when it comes to, um, repentance or the law, it's very misunderstood. So, I'm going to break it down like this. You are 100% correct on the definition of sin. That is transgression against the law. Right? The law was made to reveal to us how we can't hold it to the perfect. We can't hold it perfectly. We honestly can't. It exposes our, exposes how we are unholy. And how do I understand this? Because I read in Romans that that is what the law was made for. So while you do say that the law is something that's not done for, unfortunately, in the book of Romans, it said that now the law has been, the law has been fulfilled in Christ. So Christ said that. And then two, the law has now, there's a new covenant, right? And that was prophesied in the book of J, in the book of Jeremiah.

What's that new covenant?

So that, that new covenant...

That new covenant was of sacrificial law. And when I look at the fact that, okay, at some point, when you're saying, I forgot the exact terminology you used, but, um, not sinning anymore without having that law, He, it, the law shows us what our sins were.

Correct. And the law showed us what was holy.

Correct. And so that is why I follow the law, and that's why I do the Sabbath. I do, you know, treat, I don't kill. I treat my neighbor kindly because I, because the law showed me what sin was. And so now I want to kind of go away from that. So that's where my...

So I understand your desire. I understand your desire for it, but the New Testament doesn't teach that that's the way that we should live our lives as Christ followers.

In Revelation, it does. He says that's how you get to the kingdom.

Wait, wait, wait. So I'm trying to like finish this point. All right. I'm sorry.

So we are saved by grace through faith alone. Ephesians chapter 2, right? The Bible says in Galatians, "Did you get the spirit of God following the law or by believing in Christ?" Correct. So we have to read in the full context of things. Who was He talking? We don't harsh. We don't disregard.

We don't disregard the law. We actually know the law is holy, is perfect. There's nothing wrong with the law. However, we fall short of the law. That's for, we all have sinned, right? Always fills it. That's where for me, the grace fills it in that I'm not good enough. So the grace fixes it.

Correct. So now, New Testament says, now the New Testament says that we have fallen short of the glory of God. This is why we need a savior. One who followed the law perfectly. People need a Lord and Savior, right? We need a Lord and Savior because we fall short of the glory of God. And that's where Jesus comes in. And now that He has come in, when we read throughout the New Testament, right? When we read throughout the New Testament, we see that He fulfilled the law. We're saved by grace through faith alone. And now we have, because we believe in faith, we have the Holy Spirit. So now that we have the Holy Spirit, not to destroy, but...

Yes, my love. Hold on. Let me finish. So now that we have the Holy Spirit, what is the work of the Holy Spirit supposed to do? The work of the Holy Spirit is to allow us to be sanctified, right? Although I know you said that you, you, you're able to see where you fall short of by the law. What is Galatians 5 telling us? How, how should we be living by? Living by the spirit. So living by the spirit means to not be a fornicator, not be this, not be that. That is...

That's the law.

That's the law.

That's the point. The point is that the Holy Spirit has replaced the law. That's when, when He says that He's going to write the law on our hearts. And then He also says that He will fill us with His spirit. Those two are one and phrase it like that.

Can you phrase?

I won't phrase it like that. I won't say the Holy Spirit has replaced the law. I'll just say the ultimate premise of the Torah to me is it found in Leviticus. It says, "Be ye holy, for I the Lord am holy." What we are trying to say is that no one can measure up. There's no one in scripture that has done that. When you go to Jeremiah 31, it says, "I've given you the covenant at Si, which you broke, but I remained faithful and I was a husband to you, and I'm going to give you a new covenant." So, it's the emphasis throughout scripture is the heart is desperately wicked. Who can know it? This is the covenant I gave you guys, you broke it. So what God does, He doesn't change. He has a continuation of His mercy and grace, which was the whole goal for us to be holy. And He allows us to have a savior. It's not a foreign concept. You had mediators like Moses, who saw God face to face, who was God's person on the earth to do His, His, uh, His bidding. I don't, it's not a foreign concept to the Torah. We have, we follow Christ. When we imitate Christ, we follow the Ten Commandments automatically because we're patterning ourselves after a holy God who cannot break the Ten Commandments. He is the sacrificial lamb. So because y'all are not still sacrificing, His blood is the sacrifice and the atonement for the world. So every aspect of the law, every system of the law is found and met in the person of Jesus Christ. We don't disrespect the law. We love the law, but we are able to follow it more precisely because of Jesus Christ and because of God's Holy Spirit. That's what we're trying to say.

There's a lot of talking and there's no definition. So you, you, you guys, everybody, there's this whole like runoff where you got this, you got it down. I feel like I'm in New York where like birds are like heard read and I'm like, "Okay, you got it. You got it down." But when you step into something, the reason why I stopped is that you said grace. Do you know what the definition of grace is? Because when you say something like the word grace, and then you come at her comment of like, "Okay, we have grace." Grace does not, "Shall we sin that grace may abide?" That because I know you know the verse.

But I never, "Shall we sin that grace may abide?" What does the text? And that's where it's distinctive.

I actually wanted the response back. What does Paul say?

He says, "Of course not."

He says, "God forbid."

So I'm asking, based upon the context of what you said, grace by definition is not a New Testament concept. It's an Old Testament concept. Noah found favor, which was grace, hen in the eyes of the Lord. And what did it mean? The idea of grace is the idea of to come in through a door.

Christ in the New Testament says, "I am the door. No man can come by, come to me but by the Father." So if there's a door and there's access, you don't get to walk through the door with just any way. I can't come in your house behaving. I didn't, I'm not saying you said that. I'm saying when you brought out this idea that now you start adding other things to it and you bring in either Christian doctrine or conjecture, then it, hear me out.

It changes the context by which grace has always existed.

Grace, Christ, if Mashiach is an access point from from Mitzrayim, from Egypt, all the way till the fulfillment of all texts. And so when you make a point, when you say something like grace, and you make it seem like that is a way to enter in and then do something, I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying when it's made to seem that way, then it changes the way that we bridge the gap. Because that's the issue at the end of the day.

So why are we addressing something I didn't do? Because you said I didn't do it, but then you're addressing it.

You...

I think she's saying simply because from what I'm understanding.

She says, "I have to do this." She said, "When I saw that sin was a way to be holy, you had said there's grace." What I'm saying is that there's no law.

You have been saved by grace. We have through faith. You, that's my point. The definition of grace is not a pass.

The definition of grace is an access point, which is Christ. We know that the rest of the verse says it.

The overall sentiment of Christianity though is that you don't have to keep the law.

Because of grace. Because that's not true. We're Christian.

I hope not. But that, that's what the, that's what the overall understanding.

No, it's not, not according to the Bible. So did you guys agree with your sins and you said the Torah must be...

We disagree because I'm not still slaughtering bulls and go eat. Though you eat meat. Are you vegetarian?

So did Peter in the book of Acts?

I'm not trying to eat. You said we don't sacrifice. And that's the thing.

No, but I'm saying I don't follow the 632. That's why I voted down. But I would, and that's why I think there's a, there's a, there's a disconnect between how people view things based upon Torah and the text in Tanakh and then what you view through re, Rabbinic Judaism, and I think that is a very big disconnect why we can't come to any kind of similitude. And so when you say I don't do something, you'd be surprised at how many things you do actually do because...

Absolutely, because of the Holy Spirit. Maybe that's what I'm saying. The Holy Spirit places those laws on our hearts. So He is the one that does the change in us. That, hold on. He is the one that produces the change within us. That is a gradual change and teaches us how to walk more righteously before the Lord. We know who the descendants of the biblical Israelites are. The biblical order of blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

Okay.

I disagree strongly. I know y'all about to go. Y'all can go. Y'all got it.

Let me, let me, let me say this. Okay.

As someone who is descended from the ancient Israelites, because the A'an people are Israelite people, right? It is, it's known all of the Jewish people descend from the ancient Israelites unless they are a convert. That is the only distinction. So we know, and a lot of converts actually can be descended from the ancient Israelites because they have a soul connection, at the Neshama, that actually like points them back to their original faith. Right? But at the, the center of it,

we trace Jewish lineage. That is how we know who our ancestors were. That is how we know what our lineage is. And for returning Jews like myself, it takes a lot more work because we can't just jump to the conclusion, right, that we're Jews because of XYZ. We had to go through, we had to look, why is our soul pointing us towards Judaism? Why do we want to keep kosher? Why do we want to do these things? And we had to look at it, and we went through our genealogy. We went through connecting our, our DNA. We went through all these different things. We went through our oral history, our stories, and we put the pieces together. And eventually, we were able to come back through Halakha, through Jewish law, because that is the way to return under Jewish law.

Um, but yes, we do know it's anyone who is Jewish.

I want to speak heritage genetically.

So you named what did you name? Because you like hurried up and went through it.

What did you name?

Uh, blacks.

Blacks.

Hispanic.

Hispanic.

And Native American Indians.

What happened to like Asian people?

Well, you know, we're all over the place. We're over there. But specifically, it's the people who fall underneath the curses. That's how God, the curses are the, are listed in Deuteronomy 28 from 15 down.

So, not just leave out the Asians.

Well, I mean...

Leave out whoever the c, whoever the curses don't fall on. I mean, and only for a time. Again, I said eventually everyone, Lord's will, will do what we, will do what Christ wants them to do. I have a question.

The lineage is the lineage.

Yes. Oh, okay. So, two things because one, I'm very familiar and it's funny. We call them leaps because they, they really are leaps to be able to go from all people of a, of a of a certain heritage point are are descended from the ancient Israelites. That's a leap. But I will come back to that. The key is you say D28 is the reason that you can identify the ancient Israelites, the descendants of the ancient Israelites. I will say, have you read what happened to Ashkenazim in the Holocaust? Have you read what happened to the Sephardim? Have you read what happened to the Mizrahim? Have you read what happened to every people who identify as Jews, who identify as the descendants of ancient Israelites, who don't identify as black, Hispanic, or Native American? They would match up with your logic of D28. Even Irish people would match up with the struggles of D28. So if you want to use D28 as a premise to identify Jews, it automatically backfires on your 12 tribes chart.

Can I, can I speak, ask you a question real quick? Okay.

So I, I, I, I want to touch on Deuteronomy 28, but I just want to ask you a question because you identify, um, the nation of Israel as the, as the ethnic groups that you just listed. Are you familiar with the prophecy given to Abraham in Genesis 15, where he says, "In the fourth generation, uh, your descendants will return to this land." He was standing in Canaan. Are you familiar with that prophecy?

Um, I hope so.

Okay. And so you would say that the fourth generation obviously is the nation of Israel, who are the so-called African-Americans, or and the people you just listed, correct?

Possibly.

Okay. So when you look at four generations after Abraham, what, what essentially happens? Or let's say it like this, there was no nation of Israel when Abraham was there because he's Abraham. There was no nation of Israel when his son Isaac was there because they were not formed yet. There was no nation of Israel when Jacob was formed because he was their forefather. So it would have to begin at the 12 sons. Starting with the 12 sons in alignment with that Genesis 15 prophecy that says four generations. That, that's our benchmark. You have, let's say Levi. Levi had a son. His son's name was Kohath. Kohath had a son whose name was Amram. Amram had a son would be the fourth generation. His name was Moses. Moses brought them back to the land that was prophesied in Genesis 15. That definitionally disqualifies every premise that you just espoused, because African-Americans and all these groups that you listed would not be the fourth generation that returned with Moses. It would be biblical Israel. So that's why I wholly disagree with that prompt and disagree with your framing.

Okay.

I think, and so I just want to respond to the fact that this, why this, this con, this prompt I'm kind of silent on because that's when it distinctifies for me. We have to figure out who is biblical Israel then at that point. And I think that's where some people disagree. Um, I think that's where I disagree with. I don't want to even say all of you ladies because I haven't given you a personal opportunity to understand you. But from what I believe, I disagree with is the fact that you say you are the Israelites that are biblically written of. But I understand that I believe you would be. So we have to look into...

I like you until making us not like cooking.

And...

And the reason why I say that, the reason why I say that is because when I look into the genealogy of what happened in the womb, the birthright, all of that, that's where that comes from. And so now when I say thing, when you were saying about like what happened, you know, to the Jews and all of that, I can agree and I can emphasize that there was a lot of hardship and there was a lot of extreme hardship. But the reason why I can understand and see who Israel is, is because of the verbiage used, how they were scattered, things like that. So that's why I can distinct of all the people who have had trauma, which ones are Israel. And again, I am not saying that I am off blood because I don't know my father before anyone comes for me.

I have a question. So you said based off of trauma, you can see who's the Israelite.

When I read that He says they will be scattered. When I read, that's how I can kind of continue to learn. Well, it can't be these people because these weren't a scattered people.

But how are you able to call us anything and you don't even know who we are?

That's why I prefaced and said I don't want to speak incorrectly, 'cause I don't know all.

But you just spoke incorrectly.

I said what I believe 'cause I haven't gotten a chance. Yeah. Yeah. THAT'S A STRONG RESPONSE.

Can I finish my response? Like...

What I said was because I haven't gotten a chance to know everyone's genealogy, and I do have the understanding that genealogy is important, and that's why I said from what I believe to be, not that you are, but what I believe to be, because I haven't given you...

If I look and I'm melanated and I am from the diaspora, how could you determine based upon where I sit that I'm Edomite?

And so that's why I disagree with a lot of, that's why I say a lot of Hebrew Israelites would disagree with me because I do not believe we can know who we are. Jew. I'm a Sephardic Jew. Like, the chances are, like, come on.

Answer your question. That's why I say a lot of Hebrew Israelites would probably disagree with me because I do not think we can possibly know. Of all of the slavery, all of so much craziness has happened. We do not know. But I do know what I'm saying is that when I look into the genealogy of the general people who say today's Jews are, when you look into where that genealogy happened, where the birthright happened, who Esau is, who was sold, what was there, that is why I say that. But do I say you aren't Edomite? No. Because I don't come from. And I think that's a big thing to say, and I don't know.

Can I ask you something? What is your thoughts on, uh, uh, Daniel's text in Daniel 9:11, when he says, "All of Israel has transgressed Your law and the curse and the oath written in the book of Moses has fallen upon us." And he writes that from the Babylonian exile. It, that's to me, extremely clear proof that Israel was identified in scripture. Beyond that, I want to speak to Deuteronomy 28, uh, um, because it talks about certain benchmarks and clear markers for Israel. It says certain things, verses 52 through verses 57, say things like, essentially, Israel are going to get to a point where they're besieged and they begin to eat their own children. It says that there is going to be enemy nations that come and take down their high walls that they trust in. That never happened in the transatlantic slave trade. It literally happened in 2 Kings 6, when Elisha was the prophet at the time, and the king was talking. A woman comes up to him and starts crying and says, "Oh, we were, this woman boiled her baby, and it was time for me to boil my baby, and she didn't boil it." You get the story, right? So, so that's, you got, like, I can't say that African-Americans ever ate their own kids.

The judgments work like a ring. So it happens over and over again. And well, from just what the scripture says, that that the judgment did, the judgments work like a ring. Well, it, it, it happened.

When did, when did African Americans eat their babies? When did they have walls that were torn down?

Well, it happened in the midst of the people of God, right? And so, that's, that's the point. But I think that I want to be clear on the fact that we're called black, but that's not an ethnicity. We're called Hispanic, but that's not an ethnicity. We're called Native American, but that's not an ethnicity. We are the Israelites. We're everywhere. I'm in America, so I say the blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans are the Israelites here, but all over the world, we are scattered.

So, I just wanted to make that distinction. Can I, may I? Okay. Yeah, you can.

Okay. I just wanted to say...

Uh, well, thank you. I mean, more than others right now.

Um...

Biologically, Jews is just one tribe of Israel. Israelites are biologically classified as an Afro-Semitic group of people, an Afro-Asiatic group of people. Hebrew and Aramaic, the languages of the people, are linguistically classified as Afro-Asiatic languages. And so if we were to say, you are not this and you are that, there's no one look. I think, um, beyond, you know, what is apparent to the eyes, there is a, a confession that we make with our being. And yes, I think, you know, tracing the genealogy, tracing the lineage can certainly lead you there. And I'm not, um, disqualifying that. And I actually respect that. I think it's a beautiful thing that you ladies have been able to uncover your anc-estry. And I pray that, um, the Most High would bless you greatly for your repentance. But at the same time, I don't think that is exclusively a qualifier or a disqualifier for other people who, um, don't have the knowledge to trace genealogy, who don't have, um, the same access, or who may not be, um, directly from the continent, right? Like if you're Ebo, or you said you're Moroccan heritage, um, but you're a Jew, um, it's not so easy. I don't necessarily agree with the 12 tribes chart. Um, and I don't think that, you know, blacks, natives, Hispanics necessarily, because not every person living in the Middle East is a descendant of the man named Arab who's in the Bible. Not everybody who is living there is a descendant of Israel. Um, I think we give too much, we lend too much credence to what is apparent to the eyes. That's my only point. I, I just...

I just want to say something on a spiritual level because...

There's so, once again, there's so. First of all, I just want to say I respect everybody and I love that we're here tracking this down because that is a very, for me as a Jew, that is a very Jewish, um, property to sit and talk and to discern.

But what I want to say is, I want to also go back to Hashem. Hashem is bigger than all this black, Afroasiatic, Kasakic, califragilistic. Okay, listen. Hashem is bigger than that. We have the nephish, which is the basic, basic beginning of the soul. Then we have, think of it as a car. Then we have the ruach, which is the wind, which is the driver. And then we have the neshama, which is the highest point, would be like the GPS that's taking us to our creator.

One thing about Hashem is, He's going to come and collect who He needs to collect. But it's not about if you're black, Native American, Afroasiatic, Asian. Wait, can I just finish this one? But I, but, but at the end of the day, He's above that. That's, that's, that's you. That's you. What you think to the eye, our God is bigger than that. He's limitless. He's limitless. He's not looking at who's black, white, this, this. When you're talking, we're going on a soul level. That's who we are.

So, you have to add that. You, I hear spirit. The Holy Spirit called me. I heard the Holy Spirit 15 times over here. And I'm like, we call that nephish. But if you want to talk about holy, holy spir, spirit, we call that neshama. That's the highest point. There's nephish, ruach, and neshama. So, we, if we're going to talk about it, we need to talk about it on a level and we need to acknowledge that we all are coming from a bisee point. We're all looking at a scripture, but we're coming at it in from different perspectives.

So, so when you say God to me and you say Jesus, I, I, I kind of rebuke that because for me, Jesus is idol worship. So when you say God for you, I, my language, >> it's not the same. And we, and, and, and I'm here to say it's okay. But we, the biggest thing is the biggest respect to us is that we all came here and set. So you want me to say, you want me to say, >> you know, you could say whatever you want. I'm saying Hashem. You can say you, if, if your God, the way you, your perspective is that you, that you have your God. I'm saying from my perspective, when you say God, like if you said the blessing and you said in your God's name, I will not say amen because amen means to agree and I do not agree and that's okay.

>> I, I, I what I found interesting about what you said is that, um, your God is limitless and He's above, obviously.

>> It's one God. It's one God. What we call Him, Allah is God in Arabic. Hashem is He.

>> And Jesus is God too then?

>> For, for, for you. For you. All right. But it's the language that you're using that that ref back to the bodor. Okay. I want to say for me.

>> So, okay. So, for you, you said that God is limitless and He's beyond the African and this and that. But He's not beyond the Hebrew?

>> He's not beyond the Hebrew. Cuz remember it was brought up that if you don't read it in the Hebrew, then you don't got the truth.

>> No, because the Hebrew, the Hebrew is your understanding. Because do, do you know what ruach is?

>> Can you tell me? Can you? Okay. So, you know, ruach.

>> Yeah. Because you learn, you understand the ruach and you have the English and you can understand it. Correct. Okay. But there are a lot of words and I'm saying as a Hebrew speaker, >> that they will have a basis and we call that ashish. I'm sure you know shor is basis and it's a base, but that word will mean based on the context, 50 things and I'm telling you as a Hebrew speaker, know English, you have, we have English language is very designed very differently. But like me, in my language, I don't have, I have male and female. The English language, when we say you, we say you. In my language, when I say you, I can be at a, atim, at. But no, it's not for us to understand.

>> Understand, but there's nothing we missed out on.

>> But actually, no, we didn't.

>> Actually, actually, you can pretty much miss out on something depending on which translation.

>> Give an example.

>> What do you mean? It's, it's, it's Google's free. It's, um, it's, it's Google is free. I don't like that. I want an example because.

>> I mean, there's so many example languages claims to say, oh, Hebrew, Hebrew, Hebrew, and then leaving us people out that speak English. But we can understand the fullness of God through His word because why? He has a spirit that allows us to interpret and He's limitless. Omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient. So I want an example.

>> What is difficult about and the conversation is about the descendants, right? Do we know who they are? The fact is we do not. It is not possible. You're talking about the span of thousands of years of intermarrying of people moving around the earth. It is not possible to know every person that is the descendant. Right? It is impossible to suggest that there are no Asian descendants because that would suggest that the Hebrews never went over to Asia and mixed with the people. So what I need to say is there is, I love the way that the Lord is very intentional when He gives the promise to Abraham. He says, "All nations will be blessed through your seed." And He uses the Hebrew word which He also uses.

>> Oh, sorry.

>> Zer is seed, single.

>> No, I'm talking about for nation, sorry. The, the word for nation. He also uses that word in Deuteronomy 18 and 4, but He's talking about the bad nations that He does not want them to mix with. So He's telling us all nations, Hebrew and non-Hebrew nations are going to be blessed through the seed of Abraham. And the reason that we have the word in English, in Spanish, in, you know, Chinese is because He does not need you to learn Hebrew to feel Him and to receive Him. His entire purpose was that everyone will be able to learn about Him. Okay. So that's what I'm saying. It's no, my point is, it doesn't matter who is the seed bloodline of Abraham. What matters is have you received the Lord into your heart? Do you accept Him as your Lord and Savior? And do you believe that He died on the cross for your sins so that you may have redemption and access into the again, adoption? The adoption into that bloodline atonement.

>> So I think there needs to be a distinction here because Christianity and Judaism have two separate beliefs off of chosenness.

>> And two separate beliefs of what it means to be a part of Hashem and Hashem's people. And we talked about that in the beginning, but I don't think we really addressed the discrepancy, which is that Judaism is not talking about again being the only people to have access to Hashem. We have Noahhide laws for people who are non-Jews. That does. We're not gatekeeping Hashem. That is not how we operate.

>> You just said that you can't. People can't come into the.

>> There's a difference. That's what I'm getting to. I didn't say that. That's what I'm getting to. There's a. There's a.

>> Allow them into.

>> That's what I was attempting to get to get to that.

>> There is a difference between the role that Jews are supposed to play in the world according to Torah and the role that non-Jews or people who are not a part of the Jewish people are supposed to play. Christians, according to Judaism, have a role to play in the world. So does every other religion because Judaism is not going around proselytizing saying we are the only way to Hashem. That is not how we operate. We believe every world religion has something beautiful to add to the belief system. The key is when we get away from who can and can't be saved and the distinction between what is required. We have a different requirement for what we need. Our requirement is to follow Torah. Our requirement is to be the, is to be the people that keep Torah, preserve Torah. You ask, "How do we know who the descendants of the ancient Israelites are?" Because we're the preservers of Torah. That was our job to know who the descendants of the ancient Israelites are. To know who the Jewish people are, to preserve those records, those documents. That's why we created systems to be able to identify who is Jewish by maternal descent and all of these other things. How you return. There are laws for how you return to the Jewish people when you've been distant. Because you're right, there is no way to identify every single person who is Jewish. But that is why, like my family, our neshama knew before we knew genetically. And we returned in accordance with halakha. There are laws, just like in America, there are laws for if you want to be a citizen of the United States. We're not sitting around saying that the United States is gatekeeping their citizenship. We are saying that there are specific laws for how you come to America. That is also how the Jewish people operate. We are the gate, we are the keepers of Torah, specifically not the worship of Hashem. Every single religion can be a worship in Christianity, the law. So that's.

>> All right. So since we mentioned Abraham, right? In Christianity, we believe according to the New Testament that you are the seed of Abraham by faith. So anything that has to do with ethnic background or being a Jew by ethnic, ethnic association is not required in the kingdom of God because what is required is faith, right? And then throughout the whole chapter, it also talks about different examples of people from different backgrounds who were who were grafted in.

>> Who were, yes. Who were, who were grafted in because they had faith. And it's referencing people from the Old Testament. So we are the seed of Abraham because we have our faith in Christ Jesus. Even Christ Jesus in the, in the New Testament when He spoke to the Pharisees, He rebuked them and said, "You think you are the seed of Abraham because you are you because you are a Jew." But the real seed of Abraham is what the New Testament spoke about and is those who follow.

>> Amen.

>> I just appreciate the perspectives. I appreciate the work that everybody has put in to bring forth what they had on their heart, what they had on their spirit, what they had on their neshama, what they had on their Holy Spirit, however we termed it. I think it was very, very fruitful. I think it gives us something to continue to dialogue about and I hopefully when people watch this, it gives them the opportunity to dive in further into the different perspectives.

>> Um, this gave me the opportunity. I just learned so much from everyone. Um, but honestly, I'm just going to be real. I'm thinking about Shabbat dinner right now. I'm hungry. I'm thinking about what I'm making on Friday with my kids.

>> But how I'll also be taking something that everyone said today and bringing it to my Shabbat table when my kids ask, "Hey, Mom, what did you do in LA?" And we're going to have a conversation and I'm going to have them ask questions and share what I learned and all the, it's a learning experience for my kiddos. So, I'm thinking about what I'm making on Friday because I'm hungry.

>> Um, I think my closing thought would be that it is important to understand everyone comes from different worldviews and contexts and for me personally, I have experience in almost every single one of these worldviews.

>> So I understand every single context for what is being said. Um, but I, I think it's also important to recognize that our neshama knows who we are and what we're supposed to be doing. And if we follow that, then you can never go wrong. Right? It's only when we start leaning on on this and attempting to, um, make it where we argue with people and we, we, we tell people that there's only one truth. There's only one way to look at things. I think that's the mistake that people can make often times to not learn new things.

>> Um, so coming into this, I'm very empowered to know that there are so many unique perspectives, a lot of which I'm familiar of, but also that we can have conversations like this because as you said, it's a very Jewish thing, right? There's a saying, "Two Jews, three opinions," right? It's a part of our faith to have discussion and to have impassioned discussion. That's the majority of our tradition. So, I love that.

>> Girl.

>> She's already going higher. No, I just, I really want to just say like, I'm so happy to see everybody looking so beautiful. I was commenting on the clothes. I was like, I know we be lit by the spirit, the neshama, the ruach because we all look good. But I just want to say I'm so happy that we're here today and I really appreciate you guys having me on with my sisters and my sisters and my sisters and I just hope that we keep learning and growing and and and being convicted and also just not stepping on each other's toes because I really agree with her. It's not about one way. It's, it's about being respectful of other people's ways.

>> Well, I, I really enjoy you. I really enjoyed everyone. I deeply disagree with almost everything you just said and that's with love and respect, with love, truly. Because, you know, I get that there's a concept of there might be other ways, but our God says that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that none shall come, none shall come to the Father but through Him. So for us, I have to say that my, my leaning in this, of course, as I said from the beginning, I don't believe that you can have faith without seeking first, without seeking understanding and knowledge and wisdom in all possible options, as many as possible, and then deciding within your heart what you actually truly believe to be true. I also truly do know that the Holy Spirit is real and that He does dwell within us and that He does show up in your life if you open your heart to Him and you ask Him to come in. So I say that to say, I love all of you. I truly do respect you. I love your bridge of knowledge and your, your vigor for learning the word. But I do deeply hope that you accept the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart.

>> That ain't happening. Go. You're not doing all voter power. That's not happening.

>> That's how I show you my love. My love is I want to see you in heaven with me. So my love says that I have to remind you that this is what I believe is the way.

>> But no, no. Thank you.

>> Um, I'm so grateful for this opportunity. I thoroughly enjoy having spirited discussions like this. I personally never wear my heart on my sleeve. I don't get offended by anything that's been said because we're simply just trying to get to the truth and these conversations help facilitate that. So I appreciate the perspectives. I'm grateful to be here. I only wish it could be longer and we can get more in detail. That's my only regret. Other than that, this was a very fine hour for, I guess, all of us here, I would say.

>> Yeah. Um, similarly, piggybacking to what Janasa said, time restrictions cause us to not go into depth with conversations, but with the conversations that we had, I think I was enlightened to see a difference in views, especially when we have two belief systems.

>> Um, I appreciate it because it edifies me to learn more. Uh, I personally want to apologize to you because I don't want you thinking that I offended you in any way or I was coming at you in any way.

>> I had a certain understanding from how your speech was put together, but don't take offense to me. I'm sorry. I wholeheartedly apologize. And then I want to speak to you as well just to say that I think you are, you have such a heart for God and a love for God. And I will continue to encourage you to read New Testament such as the book of Ephesians, the book of Galatians, so you can have a full understanding by the interpretation of the spirit of God, right? And not understanding from our own because the word of God says, "Do not lean on your own understanding. Do not lean on your own understanding, but instead trust God with all your heart." So just, you know, surrender to God and ask Him. Not saying that you don't, not saying you don't, but just ask the Holy Spirit like, "Let me interpret it through, um, through Your lens." And last but not least, we're. That's all I have to say.

>> So, um, I will say that the scripture says that God is not the author of confusion. So the reality is there is only one way and God says that, um, He gives understanding to them that keep His commandments. And so I hope that that will just be considered.

>> Okay. Um, I would like to say thank you to production and thank you to Dr. Daff for having me. I feel greatly blessed, immensely blessed beyond words. And I just want to take this opportunity to thank the Most High because He heard my cry and He has delivered me up. I want to say thank you to each and every one of you sisters. You are all so beautiful.

>> You guys are.

>> Oh, she's crying. Babe.

>> I really appreciate you guys. And.

>> I'm sorry. It's okay. It's okay. I appreciate your apology as well. And I just want to say I know that the scripture says, "Many are called, but few are chosen." I truly believe everybody here has answered the call and has been chosen.

>> And I just want to say above all, the most important thing of this lifetime is daily continual repentance. And regardless of where we are, where we walk, we need to have that teshuvah, which means Hebrew to turn around. We need to continually put our faith on Him because He says, "He keeps in perfect peace those whose minds are stayed on Him." And above all things is His eternal desire for us is to know peace.

>> Amen.

>> Amen.

>> Um, I'll say, so I did this because I was trying to get out of my shell more. I really struggle with talking to people and feeling, girl. I appreciate everyone just giving me an opportunity to speak.

>> Um, and to you, I wanted to say that I feel very confident in the fact that I am studying scripture.

>> Um, I will continue to study, um, but I'll say the same as well, um, to read New Testament and I see in Revelation commandments. So to all of us and to everyone, I just say thank you for being so kind and just allowing me to be here.

>> YAY.