10/18/2025 - Adrian Dittmann Space

Hi everyone.

All right, just kind of start off, make sure everybody, uh, quote, post the, uh, space with join the conversation so people can see that we are in fact live. Um, it's kind of like an all over the place type of situation that we got going on. So, really not that much is happening. Um, but yeah, cool stuff. Hang on, let me see. Uh, don't really have as much of a topic. So, we're just going to kind of see where this goes. I'm going to be making some, uh, steak as we do this. So, uh, yeah, we're going to wait as other people may be joining in.

All right, this is good. Also, kind of on an adjacent subject, recently noticed, uh, an interesting uptick in people who are unaware of how manufacturing works or how automation works, having opinions about whether or not robots should have hands. Um, and and I find such, I find their takes quite, um, quite problematic because designing like, so, so the uninformed, the uninformed mainstream majority kind of like believes that we should build more like, it's, it's like, actually, this is not even the mainstream majority. It's like a mainstream adjacent majority, like, it's a, it's a type of mainstream that thinks they're not mainstream, but there definitely are. Um, that believe that robots don't need hands. I disagree. So the take usually is, robots need to be specialized for a particular thing. And that is, that is true. That is technically true. The thing is, we already have that. We already have robots that have been specialized for decades. We've had this. Now we're trying to replace, say, humans at places where humans aren't supposed to be at. But the thing is, like with manufacturing, you run into these types of problems. You run into chaos. Chaos is like, uh, the bane of automation. You know, you're basically trying to condense, um, like, you're, you're basically trying to find a way to somehow restrict the existence of potential chaotic random occurrences. You try to do that so much that only like two or three paths open that you need to deal with, two or three possibilities that you need to deal with, and then you can like automate that. That's usually pretty good. Maybe you can go a little higher, but the idea is to remove as much chaos as humanly possible from the system. And if you don't do that, you can't automate it, right?

So, sometimes, however, you end up with a stage in manufacturing where the chaos is always going to be super, super high. And so the only thing that can actually interface with, like, that chaos is a neural network. And that's why we have humans. And then on top of that, something that has the proper tools to handle this thing. And that what we call hands, right? That's why we have like this mission. Hang on, turn that on. That's why we have like this mission to, um, put hands on robots, right? And people think this is irrational. And I highly disagree because, well, you need hands on robots. Hands are amazing. Um, you have to imagine that millions over millions of years, we have like evolved into having these things. And the most ridiculous take is that the only reason why hands are good in today's world is because the world has been optimized for them. And that's just really stupid because, >> our ancestors, monkeys are very capable creatures and can interact with the world more effectively than animals can. You know, like if crows had hands, they probably do a lot more stuff. You know, they're limited to their feet and their beak and in many cases their wings and their ability to fly and drop things from the sky in order to open things like a nut, you know, or like being able to predict where traffic goes so that they can put a nut, um, somewhere in traffic so that a car drives over it so that they can pick up the internal parts of the nut that are actually the ones that you want and eat them, right? So, they are limited by what they can use as tools. We have hands. We can make tools and we can use those tools to open things, you know?

And you can look at parts of nature which haven't been designed. You know, look at a mandarin, for instance. You know, how do you open a mandarin? Like this thing, like a normal animal just kind of picks it open and eats pieces of it, like just over time. What we can do is we can take the mandarin. We can kind of dig our fingers into it a little bit and just break off the shell that is around it and to access like the actual flesh inside of the mandarin, which we can then take apart into individual pieces. So we got like these little components of mandarin effectively, and then on top of that, we have like at the, at the, at the edge, we have like this white, this this little white piece that's somewhat fluffy that we can then tear off so that the skin opens up to where the full flesh, the little packets of juice are exposed so we can take out the seeds, which we manually do sometimes. If you wanted to know how good hands are, just watch as a person who has OCD take apart a mandarin or try to peel the skin off a grape and then take the seeds out of that grape. This is when you'll notice that hands are amazing because that [ __ ] is incred, incredible. The fruit did not evolve to our hands. We just use our hands to take it apart because we're insane. And like removing the skin off of a [ __ ] grape and extracting its seed out without trying to break the grape is insane to me, but that's what we do. And you need hands for these kinds of things because it's difficult to do without them.

So the idea is, if you want to do high complexity things with a lot of variance, with a lot of chaos, then you need a neural net and hands in order to complete that mission. This is why we use humans in some parts of manufacturing where you look at it and go, why does he need to do this? Why does the human need to take this thing physically and put it somewhere else? The robot should do the same until you realize there's a lot of chaos in the process and then the robot can't do the same. And so the existing delusion is that we don't need hands on robots. I mean, clearly we do. It's like we need to build more purpose-specific robots. We do. We have done that for decades. Have you ever seen the inside of a car factory before? You know, there's a lot of robots there. Robots that paint. Robots that stitch things together. Robots that weld because a human can't weld that well. But the robot can, right? This is a low variance environment, right? And then you have like no testing in between to make sure like if any flaws occur, you can like separate those out of production because otherwise you're going to end up with a with a [ __ ] up car. Um, and look at Tesla, for instance, right? This is a company that has one of, as one of its core values, is you must automate, right? And so you, you have to ask yourself, if they have the ability to automate almost everything, why is it that they still use humans for some parts of the car assembly? Because of our hands and our arms. We get into things and we can [ __ ] around with things much better than any like purpose-specific robot can. So what do we do now? Now we figure out that we actually need to create artificial hands, robotize them. That's what we need to do. And so that's happening. And then you get some weird people coming out of the woodwork saying the contrary. And it's always going to be the types of people who have no manufacturing background or come from a country whose manufacturing is complete ass, even though their propaganda says otherwise. But then if you get one of their products, you go, "What is this shit?" You know, it's, it's, it's a whole thing. And I kind of encountered that today. And that's why I like wrote that post to really declare it. And I'm just like, if anybody comes out of the woodwork with like a ridiculous claim as to why this is not true, I am going to [ __ ] crush them with a [ __ ] ton of information because I, I feel as though this like weird, unnecessary, nonsensical propaganda coming from people with no experience in a field is really damaging. And this happens, all happens everywhere, you know? This happens in manufacturing. This happens in biology, psychology, everything. [ __ ] geopolitics is a great example. I've got a bunch of uncool, like a bunch of clueless [ __ ] like ranting about stuff they don't understand about dynamics that they aren't even aware of. You know, there's like illusions, right? It's the same, same type of thing. So, this is like my thing. I'm going to like talk about this because I have to deal with this kind of stuff myself. I love automating stuff, but I deal with like, I myself deal with manufacturing. So, it's like I look at these problems and I go, "Yeah, no, bro. We really need, we really do need that. I have to train a human how to do this thing over here and I have to like explain what to do in case of variance and then just like leave the rest up to your neural net to complete and it's like, it's really difficult, you know, try to, try to get a machine to do that, it's very, very difficult, right? But Tesla's working on that and you can look at their, the robots' hands is pretty good. There's a lot of companies actually working on robotic hands and it is only when you see, um, the attempts to robotize hands that you start to realize how incredible the human body actually is. Yeah.

>> Like it's amazing that we're able to like, you know, move these things called fingers with nothing but sinew and a little bit of electricity that like just does this. It's, it's so cool. It's awesome. Gives me a new appreciation for the human body when we try to robotize it because it almost makes you think that the simplest form of construction of any machine is, is, is actual life. That's, that's amazing. We are beautiful machines, even though we break, but that's fine.

>> Hey Alex, what's up, dude?

>> Hey man, couldn't agree more. Big fan of hands. And this is the critical issue here, right? If you can get this right, the precision grip, all of that, apes can't do that. And we need our machine to do that 100%.

>> Yeah. Good.

>> Yeah. A good example, let's say in space and, um, there is a, a leak where repair that needs to to happen. Um, a robot with hands could do multiple things. Could extract the material if the material to do that repair is not, like they can mine it. They can do all, all the various scenarios to fix that problem. While if we had like robots that are only programmed to do a specific thing with no hands, I, I don't think that would be possible.

>> Real.

>> And they need to get around, right? They need to get around in our apartments or on the street. This is like back in the day, I thought about like, hey, robots could be any form, right? But like, for real, human form is the best because they got to get around in our cities, right? Yeah, even in like, uh, even in non-optimized, even in non-optimized areas, humans are amazing, except for like, if you wanted to scale something that's super, super, that like has a lot of inclination to it. At that point, you may want to like consider the good form factor. You know, good form factor is really good at scaling such like insane things. Even like climbing trees are pretty good. Like monkeys are awesome, too. But like, how does a goat do that? Like, you ever seen an argan tree? You know where the argan oil comes from? The goats like to eat the fruit and they climb up that tree and then just kind of walk around on those thin little branches and you go, "How did they even do that?" Like, it's crazy. Like the goat form factor is, is, is underrated. I understood that [ __ ] very early on cuz I used to take care of goats. And, uh, try chasing one in like a rocky kind of mountain environment. The human body can do that, but it needs a lot of coordination to do that. The goat just kind of [ __ ] runs around. Uh, but you have an ability, and that is you can sweat. The goat can't. So, you can chase it down until it overheats. So, that's pretty fun, but it still can climb better than you can.

>> Better get it exhausted.

>> Have you ever thought about, have you ever thought about how big can we build robots? There must be some limit to it, right? Like battle mechs, is that, you know, is that a thing? I don't know. Could probably do that.

>> Yeah. I think the question is,

>> does it make sense? Like, do you need something big to take something apart or do you just go with the, uh, small, coordinated swarms thing? Like,

>> what if instead, like, like what if instead of needing to like, when doing an enemy, what if instead of like needing to blow them up, you could just somehow remotely cut their, like, Achilles heel, for instance, right? That's now the technology for you or something that is close to it. Anyways, so I think looking at swarms makes a lot more sense than just like making things bigger. I think once you figured out one particular form factor that works quite well, scaling it up is actually relatively easy. Scaling it down is actually where it gets super difficult. Like every time anything ever gets built, the miniaturization of it is actually the most difficult part. So doing that is all but like impractical at some point, right? But upscaling is easy, like, well, relatively easy. There are limits to this as well. Like once you reach a certain kind of like size for things, then you start encountering different types of dynamics for the materials you're using, you know? Like look at a, look at a page of paper. You can make a nice little paper plane out of it, you know? But you can't make a big paper plane out of it. And if you do, you have to like work with a ton of reinforcement. You could probably build a, a plane made entirely out of paper, but it's going to, you're going to have to like use a lot of paper and effectively mimic the materials we use to make actual planes, right? So, upscaling at a certain point is also equally as difficult. A great example being Starship, right? It's like, hey, we have a rocket, you know, let's say you have Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy. Why don't we just make it bigger? Well, yeah. How? You know, you're going to start discovering constraints. I think for robots, before we like make them bigger, I think we should figure out how to make the humanoid form factor work and make swarms work as well. And the rest can pretty much be dealt with by the robots themselves. Once you figure that part out, everything else becomes a little easier because they have less work overall, I think, at least.

>> Yeah, I agree. I think drone swarms are probably the future of warfare, right? You can just tell them like, take out any man with a rifle. War is over in an hour. But if you had a battle mech, could strike fear into the heart of your enemy, right? Battle mech plus drone swarms.

>> Honestly, I feel like if you have a drone swarm that plays Vietnam music as it puts thermite into your forest is a little bit more terrifying than a giant mech.

>> Personal opinion.

>> So, I was, I was listening to you guys and I just realized something. Um, when we fully get into drone warfare, like fully everything, swarms and everything, I think there's going to be a period where everyone will get to full peace because at that point, it's no longer like, if you got those capabilities, it's just hardware against hardware. And at that point, I think it'll get to a point where it's like, well, it's kind of useless. This is going to my manufacturing versus your manufacturing. That's it.

>> Well, wars of attrition are pretty good. Like they do work out. They have worked out historically. And then it's just sabotage, like sabotage. That's, that's what the future looks like. And we're already seeing this today. Like the big nuclear powers are not battling each other head-on. They're battling each other via proxies in other countries or via memes. And ironically enough, who's got the best manufacturing, right? This is why China is like, has the winning hand in many ways because they are the ones that decided to say, "We got to hyper-capitalize on manufacturing. We just got to look at what everybody else is doing it. But we, we got to make it a little bit better and a lot faster and a lot cheaper, right?" That's what largely China is. But make no mistake, the only, China's greatest weakness is innovation. That they can't come up with anything truly new. Like they can optimize existing things, but they can't actually invent anything that's really new. A case in point of that is rocketry. Rocketry is one of those things which is like as hard as it gets. There's like two types of things that are very difficult. Um, and that is creating something new in compute and creating something new in the rocket industry. That like space industry is, is so, so messy. Like it's so difficult. It's insane. I mean, look, China recently like released this footage of one of their engine tests, which is something that I, I don't think I've ever seen a worse engine test in my life, to be honest. Like people [ __ ] on Firefly for their engine, which is really kind of weird. Um, not that [ __ ] on it is weird. It is that the engine performance is kind of ass. Uh, but I thought that was bad. Then I looked at China's engine test. I was like, "Right, so you guys are so afraid on being criticized on what you're using to make that thing work that you have to blur the fuel lines." By the way, that same fuel line kind of exploded as you're using the engine. And you kind of didn't look at Starship enough to understand that you probably should have considered what the pad was made out of because it let you, it, it literally dug out the whole pad. I looked at that and I was like, man, you guys are in so much deep [ __ ] that the [ __ ] whole team is going to be like, [ __ ] Like, it's kind of funny, but I also feel bad for him because they probably put a whole bunch of effort in that. But damn, that kind of shows you China's weakness as innovation, actually. What was that company that, uh, you know, had the epitome of the saying, "Shake went sideways"? It's like, basically a rocket launching off and then all of a sudden, instead of going straight up, you're, you're lagging heavily. By the way, Andre, I, I heard what you said though. I heard that you were talking about the, like version. Yeah. Yeah, I can, I can hear you. I can hear you now. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Um, basically those,

>> Yeah, that was funny. I, I thought it was really hilarious. It's like, hey, let's do the belly flop maneuver with the [ __ ] booster and land it with a little thrusters at both ends. Like, what the [ __ ] I know they don't do any heavy drug consumption in China, but I'm pretty, I want to know what they were on to do that. That's interesting. Like, how did you figure that out? Like, where is the fuel coming from? You can't even like build a functional thruster like of any kind that is going to work really well on account of the fact that one of yours just literally blew up in a demo. So, how do you think you're going to miniaturize those and put them on at both ends? That doesn't make any sense. At least they're doing things. Europe is worse. They're like doing literally nothing. They're still running simulations.

>> Regulation.

>> Didn't they recently, yeah. Did they recently decide to go start catching fairings? The one things, what's it called? SpaceX said, "Nah, we're not doing anymore."

>> Yeah, they also recently decided to do this. Let me pin it up at the top here. Look at that. So, I think it was in 2013 that Arian Space's CEO said that reusable rockets are a pipe dream. And then in 2020, the ESA decided to contract the very people who said it was going to be a pipe dream to assess whether or not it actually works. Five years later, they still haven't built a single functional reusable rocket. And now AIO's solution to it, which is a different company, is basically a downscaled version of Starship. Oh, and here's the fun part, right? It also is an assessment. It is also still an assessment, man. And you know what the best part is? They are not even targeting. They're, they're, they're not even targeting the full rocket. They're just thinking about the upper stage. So, it's literally half a rocket that is like a 20th of the size. What is, what are you doing? Whoa. Oh, come on. This makes me want to cry. This is bad, dude. This is bad. So, that's that's a,

>> like China may be making engines that blow up, but at least they make something, right?

>> Jesus.

>> It is almost sad. Europe is living in a dream world right now. Like, yeah.

>> Yeah. It's, it's a, it's unfortunate. I really, yeah. I mean, I'm drowning myself, dude. If I [ __ ] on this head, that's how you know it's bad. Oh, man. Damn. SpaceX launched that. That was pretty nice. That was a really good one. They also released a lot of good footage, man. It was really good. I liked it.

>> Yeah, some of those look so sci-fi.

>> Yeah, they did a tremendously good job. I think that was some of the best, uh, pictures we've gotten yet.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Like I want to make an edit out of that. Ver is still busy making music for edit one. I may shove edit one and rework it as edit two and use edit two instead of edit one. And that's it. Do you guys realize in like five years, every single launch that right now, all of us are like, "Oh my god, look at this. This is amazing. Oh my god, it's better. It looks cleaner." In five years, it's going to be so much that everyone will be like, "Eh, it's okay."

>> Yeah, we're going to look at like, "Oh, hey, the, the thing. Like, we had a stage. Remember when the stage separation was the big thing? Remember that?"

>> Oh, yeah.

>> That was, that was awesome. That was awesome. First stage separation. That was so cool. Like, you got the first [ __ ] stage separation. That was beautiful. I love that moment. It was awesome. They didn't even think they were going to be able to get it that far. Like, the first rocket launch with the pad blowing up and then the [ __ ] the rocket being up there, you know, getting close to stage separation but not making it and everybody's like, "Oh, that was a beautiful [ __ ] launch, man."

>> I mean, like, when was the last time you guys watched Falcon Heavy? Uh, cuz I remember when I,

>> Not at all, man. Not at all.

>> Falcon Heavy is like an Uber ride right now.

>> Yeah. Falcon is like, you know, oh, they, they, oh, it's just everyday occurrence. They, they just launched another 24 Starlink satellites. No big deal.

>> Yep.

>> Like you remember like the raid, the, the, the [ __ ] like the raves people had when the first two like little boosters came down. I, I remember that time. It was so [ __ ] fascinating. And now nobody cares. And that's a good thing. You know why? Because if it's so reliable and so normalized, that that means it works. It has to be boring. When we get to a point that this [ __ ] is boring and an everyday occurrence, that's how you know it's been won. That's how you know this, the problem has been solved because it's not supposed to be exciting. It's supposed to be like, like over. The solution is supposed to be there. It's not supposed to be exciting. It's supposed to be boring because when it's boring, you can think about other things that you can be excited about. More problems. Asteroid mining, for instance. Focus on that next. It's like, once you figured out like how to, how to transport things, now you got to think about how do I, like, when things are being transported and they're kind of like, you know, being taken out of the box in space, how do I then get that stuff, whatever it is, to work on, say, mining asteroids? How do we get to take that raw material and perhaps refine it on site? How do we get to transport that [ __ ] back to Earth? Do we transport it to Earth or do, do we have refineries on the moon? Like, what are we doing? Oh, and how does that change? Like, how does refining metals in space change the structure of how metal actually behaves and like what it does? Like, what, what are these things? This is the next thing that, that then we need to like actually think about once we figure out how to make Starship boring.

>> I feel like you've been listening to some kind of spaces in the past two months.

>> Wait, what?

>> I feel like you've been listening to certain kind of spaces in the past two months about, you know, asteroid mining.

>> Yeah, that was a good space, man. Thanks, by the way. It was a nice, uh, nice, nice space in the, uh, Noetic Order about asteroid mining from Astroforge. Those guys are pretty cool. I didn't listen much to that. I just kind of like looked at their whole thing and I was like, "Okay, this is pretty cool." So, yeah, it was really awesome that you got that opportunity to actually like get them in and, uh, you know, talk to them about their stuff. I hope that in the future you can get even more people like that and, you know, have them talk about the thing. Especially because I like that this kind of business that you got there was one that is already kind of established. Like they got hardware. So, it's not a pipe dream that they're trying to shill to get like VC money. So, this is just like a thing that's like, "Hey, let's make it more popular," basically.

>> Yeah, exactly. By the way, do you guys remember, um, when, uh, there was that competition between, uh, Blue Origin's suborbital rocket and Falcon Heavy? Yeah. And Bezos just landed his one, uh, what's it called? New Shepard first.

>> And Elon got pissed off. So he's like, "Okay, the next landing is going to go back to the actual launch site, not a ship in the middle of the ocean." And immediately, like a month later, he landed Falcon.

>> No.

>> Really? So it was like, there was like a series of attempts to land Falcon on a the drone ship and there was a couple misses. It was close. It was getting close and then Bezos' New Shepard that just landed and said, "Hey, the first rocket that lands back to Earth." And it was literally within the month that the Falcon, instead of going to the drone ship, they had enough, they saved enough propellant to get back to the launch site and just landed on the launch site. Oh, wow. I kind of missed that a little bit. That's cool. Wild times, man. Can you imagine? I can't even imagine what happens in the future. This is wild.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, by the way, Borgen is next. I was going to say, so isn't Borggin end of like mid-November?

>> I guess. Yeah. I'm, I'm not entirely sure.

>> I think so. Let me check.

>> I wonder when they're going to do the catch again for SpaceX cuz they've been clear. They clearly have been testing something. Like if you look at the booster, they've been testing stability. It seems precision and stability cuz like that hover, that sustained hover was insane. Yeah, those were incredible.

>> The booster does not concern itself with gravity.

>> Yeah, that is so rad, man.

>> They're not risking it.

>> Yeah, it's good. Like that's some heavy testing going on there. You can see that.

>> That will, uh, delay the testing for the next reinforced the tower.

>> Sorry, say again, Chad. Is, is the Starship, are we doing the same thing with the Starship or is that while we're, while we've got it hovering as we're, we're getting ready to start catching it as well?

>> Starship is supposed to land on its own.

>> Without the need of?

>> No, no, no. Starship is going to get caught.

>> Yeah, but isn't it supposed to be landing on it? Cuz how's it going to land on Mars?

>> That's HLS and the, the variance, but the actual Starship they're testing now is supposed to be caught as well. That's why they did this crazy maneuver where they banked. They effectively, as far as I understand, they basically went more south and then turned up and went north using just glide maneuver and then banked up. But, uh, yeah, I think they were, they might have been burning off propellant on the Super Heavy to be honest cuz they went in, they went back aggressively, like really aggressively. So they might have been just burning up.

>> Propellant the whole way down too, man. I'm not sure that they weren't just venting a lot of it. They were, they were definitely doing something there.

>> They probably didn't want it to blow up. Too much more data.

>> Yeah, it was another thing. Um, what they did say repeatedly was, "We don't actually expect this thing to come back." And then it came back and I'm like, "Huh?"

>> They said that they're going to try to catch 13. That's that's the one. The first one they're going to attempt to catch,

>> right? Whether they do or not. Yeah. Good.

>> New Glenn is, uh, early November and they're supposed to try and, uh, land that booster to New Glenn too.

>> Okay.

>> I do not understand entirely what the point of it is though. Like, um, if you already have like one very good manufacturer, why create like competition that's always going to be lagging behind? Why not just join forces? There's something about this that I don't understand. Hey, socialist friend. You know, just have the one, you know. I'm kidding.

>> Damn, bro. You had to do me like that.

>> You really had to do me like that. I respect it, though. That's, that's, damn, that's a good one.

>> Not like that. Not like that.

>> Not like that. Don't use it like that.

>> That's funny. I do agree with you.

>> Hilarious.

>> There's a certain level of like, okay, maybe build on top of it. And I guess why the, a lot of startups right now probably are waiting for Starship to develop instead of trying to compete. But I mean, Bezos definitely, I would say keep funding Blue Origin. You definitely want a competitor to SpaceX because that means they both will push very hard and it'll be excellent.

>> But here's,

>> I think like the standard will remain to be SpaceX and that's what's going to continue being mimicked because that's kind of what's happening. But it also kind of gives you a good comparison to how advanced they really are. Because I think at some point SpaceX makes it look a little too easy and then when somebody tries it, they realize it, how hard it actually is. So I feel like in some ways, maybe the argument is that it ups the value. And so yeah.

>> I, I think Blue Origin is going to be a good feeder. So I think SpaceX will end up subcontracting or farming out some of their work or some of their contract to Blue Origin maybe at some point. Um, I think SS,

>> I kind of doubt that because they've optimized their delivery systems so well, like, you know, with the smaller models that they have and then using like Starship, unless of course,

>> their thing is now [ __ ] it. We're just going to be focusing on Starship only once they get it to work.

>> Because actually, like, you're putting up much more load that way.

>> Yep.

>> Your load deployment is great when your tools are big.

>> And when they have,

>> Yeah. But yeah, that's also true. But you got to keep the launch, you got to keep the deployments, uh, regularly, uh, like, you know, frequent because otherwise you're going to lose what you got. You know, you don't want to get rusty. Um, frequent deployments are great. I, I can see them like maybe using them for some Starlink stuff, you know, as, as the Starship program.

>> Well, yeah, that's the whole point.

>> Up, right? Like I think that was, um, yeah, that was, that's, that's literally the whole point. How many, how many Starlinks did they say last time that they wanted to deploy at at production? Like,

>> um,

>> how many Starlinks was that?

>> 60. But I think Starship has the capacity for 120 Star to deploy.

>> 120.

>> The capacity.

>> At [ __ ] Is this true? But they're saying they're going to, they want to deploy 60.

>> I thought I thought it was like 48 V3s, which each V3 is like something insane compared to V2.

>> Uh,

>> Blies, by the way, if you're saying anything, I cannot hear you.

>> Yeah, I was about to say Blies the whole time you were muted.

>> Oh, yeah. I'm here. I'm here. I'm just, uh, chilling.

>> Oh, you're doing things. Okay, then don't let me, don't let me disturb you. Keep doing whatever you're doing. You're like editing, I assume, eh?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Nice. We're taking the, we're doing this thing now because I have a Discord server and we have a section there. It's called the advanced membership section. Uh, we're basically, you know, you kind of like, it's, it's for people who are like subscribed on there. Um, and I just kind of hang out there and do random things cuz like occasionally I do like mimetic things. So I just kind of sit there and just chill, do work or do whatever needs to be done. And then occasionally, like, it's, it's, it's kind of like sitting in. It's like being in one large kind of like, kind of like group and you just kind of pop in and pop out as you wish and, you know, things are fun. Um, but one thing I've been doing with BL is mimetic voiceovers, voiceover memes. I'm actually going to like publish one on the YouTube channel. It's performing quite well. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, we're kind of like, um, we're expanding our production as well just to kind of like learn more things. So we're doing memes both here and on YouTube and various other places. We're trying to like get more mimetic pull, um, towards like the central focus of the show and the advanced member is one of the great ways to disseminate that cuz yeah. So get to use my vocal abilities to like, you know, make fun stuff.

>> Good doing that.

>> Yeah. Got the one with the rabbit. That one performs really well. So I'm actually going to upload.

>> Incredible. That's a great one.

>> Yeah. I think, uh, lettuce. That's like, uh, I think lettuce.

>> That's like a thing. There's like this beautiful picture to it. Like whenever, that's the thing I posted to the, to the profile as well, like hang on, let me fetch it. Uh, there's a thing I posted a while back. Whenever, and you should use this image as well. Like whenever you're in a conversation and you just don't know what to say because it's something ridiculous that a person has said, just take this image right here of the bunny rabbit that says, "I think lettuce." And just like send that as a reply and refuse to elaborate. Shit's [ __ ] funny as hell. I think lettuce.

>> It's just awesome.

>> Yeah, it's such a mood. It happens to everybody in a way.

>> Yeah, we have a whole bunch of things like in the server.

>> Yeah, like we have a little internal culture in our server. So, it's like whenever somebody says something that's just literally word salad, we react with like lettuce emojis and we also have that bunny rabbit as an emoji as well because you can customize them in there. And, uh, whenever somebody like says something that should be actioned by the mods, we have like a cat, especially a looking cat. We call the mod cat. Like people react with that. It's always funny.

>> Speaking of, can you like link the Discord? Can anybody link the Discord for me?

>> Um, let me,

>> Did you reply already? Okay.

>> Yep.

>> I'll put it, I'll put it up because it registers faster when I do it. There you go. Excellent. That is the link, by the way, for those of you who want to join. Um, I'm not sure if like Starman is going to be active. If he's active, we're going to do Halo Infinite campaign today because I wanted to do that with subs. Been doing that for a little bit. I wanted to kind of run like a, a four-party because we haven't really done that before. And we're going to kind of like speedrun Halo Infinite campaign. Um, and then we're going to go back to like Path of Exile 2 the next day. Or if, uh, today he's not available and we don't get like a four-team together, including our other guy, then we're just going to be doing like again, Path of Exile type of thing. And, and at this point, I'm just like playing Path of Exile just because I want to, um, just just because I like, just want to engage with the chat. That's kind of like what I do. I engage with stream chat and that's that's pretty fun.

>> But again, like if you want more direct engagement, it's like the server is the way to go. Actually, now that I think about it, there's a good way to like, I can meme, I can meme the robot hands thing. Actually, now that I think about it, I have a perfect meme for this. It's actually on the Time Chain Consulting account. I posted it there a while back, including this meme here. This meme is pretty fun. Did you consult that dog within? Because, you know, he's like, "Hey, do you have that dog in you?" I was like, "Did you consult the dog with a..."

>> Does your inner voice need therapy?

>> ...in your voice need therapy? No.

>> Is there, is there a deeper reference here that I'm not getting?

>> No. No. It's a, it's a meme along the same lines, right? Did you consult a dog within? Does your inner voice need a therapist or consultations?

>> Yeah, assuming it's an old character. Yeah.

>> The male version of therapy involves guns.

>> This is true.

>> That was a good line, JP.

>> It invol, it involves some sort of rapid oxidation of something. Yeah.

>> Wait,

>> JP, you're the one taking, uh, what's called, uh, creatine, right? The 25 milligrams.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> How's that going?

>> That [ __ ] as well?

>> Uh, it's going real good. I, I did a, a 65-minute 5K swim this week. Um, and then the next day I did a 64 and like 58-second swim. Um, which at the beginning of the month when I started the challenge or the, the whole thing, um, I, I think my, my personal best was 69 minutes and 20 seconds.

>> That's wild.

>> So, I, yeah, I've already had almost a five-minute improvement. The month's not over. Um, I've had cluster headaches a couple days in a row. Um, but I, I've, I've had those my entire life. Um, so I, I, I don't think it was related to the creatine. Um, but I, I, I feel like way, just I, I just feel better all the time. Um, I'm more alert. I, uh, I, you know, this is conjecture, but I felt like I was reading faster the other day.

>> Have you started to take any methylene blue by any chance?

>> What's up?

>> Have you started to take any methylene blue by any chance? No, I've never used methylene blue.

>> Because what you're saying kind of sounds like,

>> this is exactly my exact experience as well. I'm pretty sure you can like add an additional like extra, you know, five points to all skills, you know.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I'll have to give that a go. Um, I'm going to finish this. I, I, I think I'm going to keep doing 25 in perpetuity. I don't think I'm going to reduce. Um, I'm not having, you know, any issues. I'm going to go get my blood test in a couple days. Is drinking Monster energy drinks as well, by the way, because that is causing problems.

>> I, I haven't had a Monster Energy drink and,

>> I couldn't even tell you.

>> Have you considered that potentially some of this is because of that as well? Because one of the things that Monster Energy does is it actually out, it, um, kind of inhibits your, so, so the body kind of creates its own energy, so to speak, right? That the feeling that you get. Um, and if you keep drinking these types of energy drinks, it actually limits your body's ability to do that because you're not using it. And so you kind of lose your ability to do it. So if you then quit the energy drinks, you're actually going to feel really, really bad and have this like, the withdrawal. But I haven't had an energy drink in a long period of time. The only thing I drink these days is coffee and I have some sweet stuff that I eat as well, but that's, that's within my, that's within my dietary requirements because I'm doing like a high carb, uh, high protein now as opposed to high fat, high protein. You, you, you got to choose like one of the two. And because my thing is, um, like my metabolism requires like a lot of energy actually, a lot of calories. So I actually do need to eat a fair amount of carbohydrates because otherwise my brain's just not satisfied. And ever since I've been doing that, my brain is like really, really fast and I can just kind of predict everybody's thoughts. And, uh, for some reason, some people have like weird inability to finish their thoughts like before they speak them. So they just like, whenever I just predict their thoughts and utter answers to thoughts they haven't finished yet, it's like it takes them a while to cope with that. It's really funny. But yeah.

>> It helps on those levels. I, I love the Monster memes, but I don't think I've had 10 this year. Like I, I really don't touch that stuff. Um, it's, uh, I, I saw something the other day that the caffeine itself like stops your body from naturally, um, using your natural creatine because our bodies make creatine and we get it from our other food sources as well. And, and, uh, the, that caffeine stops the, the cycle where your body uses it to make ATP from ADP, which is, you know, from ATP, if you remember anything about, uh, like biology, like it, the mitochondria uses it and that's what fuels the powerhouse of the cell. Um, yeah, caffeine's caffeine's weird because like there's a lot of like good to it, but the bad stuff is not this, like you don't realize the bad stuff is happening.

>> Mhm.

>> Are you getting,

>> um, are you getting any water retention with creatine or bloating?

>> I gained 14 pounds on day three and four together.

>> The real question should be, are you getting any thicker? It was all water. It was like, you could see my veins like a [ __ ] like,

>> Yeah. But that's, that's, that's, that's not a problem, right? Like what we're, we're specifically like weight gain is, is a, is a [ __ ] metric because you have to consider what you're gaining. Are you gaining like fat? Because if you're gaining fat, then that's not what you want. Are you getting like, are your muscles popping out a bunch more? That's actually exactly what it's for.

>> Yeah. That, that's what's happening with with the creatine. I,

>> Yeah, that's normal. That should be the way it is actually. That's exactly. I've retained probably about 13 or 14 pounds additional water than what I was retaining beforehand.

>> That's actually normal. That's, is exactly what's supposed to happen. This is also like kind of the inverse of this happens when you take creatine and you don't get enough hydration. Because again, I keep repeating this because it's

very important for people to know that it is that if you take this and you don't hydrate enough, then your body will literally take apart its muscles for water.

>> Wait, hold on. I'm I'm curious now. How much How much salt are you eating?

>> I I don't eat much salt. Um I drink about two gallons of water a day.

>> You do need salt.

>> Probably a little bit under. But um salt I don't add salt to anything. I don't use spices that have salt in them. Um

>> why do you not crave it?

>> Water.

>> Yeah. That your cells they they regulate the amount of water they take in based on how much salt they have. So if you have too little salt, they'll take up too much water.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. The the thing is, you know, I I get a lot of salt naturally from my diet. Um, you know, anything you buy has like quite a bit of salt in it. Um, the those frozen chicken patties, the the

>> Oh, god.

>> the grilled ones,

>> uh, like that you buy at the store, you know, those have like 6 or 700 milligrams a pop. You go to Chick-fil-A, you're getting, you know, 14,500 milligrams with with just the sandwich alone. Like just everything has enough salt. like you don't need to supplement salt.

>> Yeah, I was just curious about the water weight. But either way, I got to jump off, guys. Thank you very much, JB. I'll be very curious to hear about your updates.

>> Yeah, I should have written some more about it. I just been lazy. Um, I'll I'll write something for sure once I hit like day 30.

>> Also, I'm not sure that it's actual salt or it's fake salt.

>> Well, I mean it's it's whatever they put in it and label as sodium on the, you know, on the label.

>> Okay, that's real salt because there is um there is a potassium. So So there's different types of salts that they're using these days because it's like there's a naturophobia that exists of it. Um you have actual salt, which is sodium chloride, basically sodium rust. That's what salt is. Um and then there is uh um what is that? Potassium, right? It's potassium chloride. So it's fake salt basically has very similar effects but the fact that your body doesn't need the potassium for that it actually needs the sodium. So and this is the only reason why you're actually eating salt. Salt is actually used for the sodium because once the sodium uh sorry once the uh sodium chloride enters water it actually splits off into two ions. One being sodium ions the other one being chlorine ions and that is then the the body then takes the sodium. Ironically enough a lot of things take sodium. It's really funny like with how MSG is made monosodium glutamate. I keep reiterating this like how stews actually have this hearty flavor. This is done by well, you know, taking onions which have a lot of glutamates in them uh when they're getting cooked uh the glutamate ions come out and then because you're adding salt and that gets liquefied the sodium ions are present and then the sodium and glutamate ions they they uh bind and create monodium glutamate. And you can actually reinforce this process by adding a lemon. So, when you make a stew, make sure to add a proper amount of salt because it's going to taste hella hella good. And squeeze in a lemon. Oh, and wine helps as well because there's tons of glutamates in there as well. That's why wine tastes so good like when you cook it in meat cuz there's a whole bunch of glutamates in there.

>> I love lime. I I buy this like dehydrated lime powder like uh they just like take the lime juice and they just let like all the water evaporate out of it.

>> Just get a normal lime, man. Just get a just get a normal like lemon or lime and squeeze that [ __ ] in there, man.

>> Well, I but I I I cook with it so it doesn't make whatever like it doesn't add water to whatever I'm cooking so it doesn't get all watery.

>> Dude, that's a very small amount of lemon. Like that's you don't need to concern yourself with that. Like I cook a lot. I've cooked for like teams of people. That you don't need to concern yourself with that, bro. That is You don't need that. Don't worry about it, man. You just get your lemon. There's very little. It's very little juice that comes out of those. And of that little, it just kind of dissipates. It's like a little splish splash. It's nothing.

>> I I like a lot a lot a lot of it though.

>> Yeah. Same [ __ ] I I could I could eat a lemon. Like not even like just a juice like I could eat a lemon. Like I I love that tartness.

>> Well, look, if you're going to boil something, clearly that's what seems to be happening here. You can in fact just reduce, right? That's how stews work. Actually, one of the problems with stews is that you need to add water periodically. So, that should be fine. What are you doing? Are you making stews?

>> That's right. You are a stew man. No, I I I don't cook stews. I don't have patience like that.

>> I mean, what do you mean you don't have patience like that? It's literally a set it, forget it thing on low heat, go play some video games, come back, food, finish.

>> No, you got to check it and you got to slow cook it or whatever.

>> I I literally don't put that much effort in my food. Like, I'm about to cook some some beef.

>> I'm just going to put it in the pan and then eat it out of the pan.

>> This is breaking my heart, man. Like, this is it's so [ __ ] easy. These two are like one of the easiest, most rewarding like meals you can ever make. That and uh um that and god damn it. The message is killing me. This is absolutely sending me, man. That and um beef is very rewarding. Like if you know how to make it, it's very quick. It's probably one of the quickest things to ever make. I got to prepare it right, dude. Yeah. Like does how to not have space? I'm like inviting him. I don't even see the request. Hello guys.

>> Were you looking for?

>> Yeah.

>> He's not been weird. The other day it wasn't letting me repost his base.

>> Buggy.

>> Yeah, I can see him. He's not the listeners.

>> He's here.

>> Everyone down in the audience, this is a reminder to please repost the space. Quote, post it. Have you guys ever read the comments? I hadn't really read the purple pill much before. I was just reading it.

>> Testing, testing. Am I back?

>> Yeah, you're good.

>> Uh, chat, your your voice is a little muffled.

>> Mine is.

>> Yeah.

>> Is that better?

>> No.

>> But it's fine. We can we can understand a little more. Adrian, I'm going to check if the if the thing that I use uh ships them, but uh I don't it's not on Amazon at least.

>> Yeah, we we could probably get a work around on that,

>> right? Let me check if they ship.

>> Yeah. Is that better? Hm. Yes. Miles better.

>> A lot better.

>> Thanks for the heads up.

>> Excellent.

>> Excellent.

>> Am I the only one or have spaces kind of died?

>> I mean, this platform's kind of like recently it's gotten a lot worse. So,

>> I've never seen this few people in spaces all across the platform. It's it is I don't even in the days when it wasn't popular to do spaces, there were way way more than this. Not even here. Like everywhere, man.

>> It might just be a seasonal shift. Like, you know, it's starting to get cooler. People are out doing stuff.

>> No, I don't.

>> Last year, dude, last this time last year it was insane. Like you you could easily crack like [ __ ] just by doing nothing specific at all, you could crack like 400. And that was before I even expanded. Like I was at I was at like 100k and I got like 400 just by just doing nothing even. That was an interesting time. This is like spaces are a lot more

>> I'll tell you why, I'll tell you why, but people aren't gonna like hearing it. The spaces has gotten zero attention from X, right? They have not given a single [ __ ] about spaces. This it's still [ __ ] It's always been [ __ ] Absolutely nothing about it has gotten fixed, right? Every other platform is improving. This platform, they don't give a [ __ ] about uh spaces. They're not prioritizing it. That's why

>> he's right. He's right. And uh um the thing is, there were supposed to be recommendation systems that were being put in at least that what I could have read off of who was then employed um, you know, this this guy you seen used to be employed at X and uh he wrote about uh specifically how they were going to be like recommendation systems and and introduced into um, you know, this right it it hasn't happened there were also other features that were supposed to be coming that were kind of hinted and announced and never happened. So I think that's that's definitely one of those things and if it's noticeable it's really noticeable these days and it's quite depressing cuz it's like dude one year ago there was so much more activity in spaces. People just kind of look towards posting but I don't even think this is like the prime the premier like you know live anymore. Like it's it's not the same as it used to be. I think it's still a great format and I enjoy it. So I just show up and I do it for the love of the game cuz that's literally what I do it for. I do I get zero reach off of spaces. Zero [ __ ] reach. Hell, maybe even negative reach if anything because it's like sucking up a lot of my brain power and I can't like, you know, do posting, but I feel like, you know, live is great and it's it's awesome and I do it literally. I simply do it for the love of the game. But it still is depressing to see that kind of space has been casted off to the side in favor of changes that the majority of users don't give a [ __ ] about. I honestly I couldn't care less about my drafts being synced. I I couldn't give a [ __ ] less. Um like it it's I don't know, man. I don't know. It is obvious now. Like you you guys have all seen this. A lot of you are like very dedicated like audience. You you've seen this. You've seen how things have changed. Like some some people I know big creators have given up on spaces wholesale. I asked them what's up with that and they gave me a whole bunch of reasons and all of them looked the same. That's kind of what was saying too. At some point it just

>> I mean we've been doing this for what one year two years since then there has not been a single improvement.

>> Not a single [ __ ] improvement the spaces

>> like I have been using spaces for thousands of hours. I've been using spaces since like 2022 and I've like done space for like the majority of 2024. I've done a space every single [ __ ] day for eight hours every single one of those days. Seven days a [ __ ] week. It's crazy, man. It's It's actually crazy. So, it's like even if you see people like me kind of holding on like that, doing it weekly is is the only thing I can do these days because that's the only way to even like get anybody into spaces is doing it weekly. Um, but even then it's like there's there's no hype around it. There's no reach around it anymore. It's just doing it for the love of the game. And I I like this because I love this platform. I I absolutely [ __ ] love this platform. But I can't deny this is a big problem, you know, and I'm seeing it and I think everybody else is seeing it also. And I really hope something would be done about that because honestly I don't give a [ __ ] about [ __ ] like whether or not my drafts are synced. And honestly to be honest with Nikita um, the whole link stuff it is disastrous. And even Elon said no this is this is absolute crap. We're not doing that. Well clearly because that was the whole thing. Like over two years I saw a whole bunch of changes being implemented by Elon and it's like okay now we're going to undo the links thing. I'm like, "Uh, wait, what?" It's like, specifically the the thing that was being spoken of, which was removing heuristics out of the system was a thing that I posted about back in 2023. I said they were going to remove heuristics because the heuristics are a major [ __ ] problem and you want the AI to do the curation. And that's exactly what's supposed to be happening. And then you have somebody talk about heuristics. And the thing that I think is majorly problematic is the lack of understanding that those types of people have over how [ __ ] vector spaces work. I'm sorry, but I am tired of having to hear from people who are supposed algorithm experts about how exactly the algorithm works by them looking at a bunch of tooling and pretending to have read 30,000 lines of code. You have not read 30,000 lines of code. You wouldn't even understand what the [ __ ] you're looking at because you having to read 30,000 lines of code to come to any kind of conclusion means that you're completely [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm sorry. That's simply how it is. Because you will not understand how the [ __ ] system actually works if you don't look at the weights. And those are very different. This has to do with vector calculus. If anything, you want to understand how these systems work really work. You have to look at vector calculus. Then things kind of become obvious in your head. It's a thing that you need to program yourself with. And then it kind of just like comes out like that. But nobody does that. It doesn't get brought up. I've noticed [ __ ] for years. And that's why like no matter what happens to the platform, I kind of tend to stay successful even if the algorithm completely collapses. Like it has already done in the in the in the in the um the last two quarters of this year. The algorithm has collapsed three times. I didn't [ __ ] talk about it. I was like, "Oh, this sucks." So everything is like, you know, the sorting takes longer. Because I knew what they were doing. I knew that the algorithm was being shifted around a little bit and that it kind of takes a while for these things to, you know, restabilize, right? And so then your posts only get reached after like a day because the system still has to sort them and just distribute them afterwards. So that made sense to me and everybody else wants to talk about shadow bans and they still don't know that that's not a thing that exists. It's not even mentioned. Like that's the fun part because they look at tooling and they go, "Oh, we're going to listen to these people that pose massive threats about bullshit." I'm like, "No, that's not how any of these systems work." and like they use AI to generate all the nonsense that they're talking about. And it got so bad that people thought they would get deboosted if they replied to people. It was at that moment that I was just like, you know what? [ __ ] this. You know, absolutely [ __ ] this. Why would anybody think that any platform would do that? Just simply replying to something in a non-spammy way would just get you like visibility filter limited. No, that's obviously not how any of how any of that works. The reason why like this came fourth in the AI output, it's because you have a bunch of unaware idiots, incompetent idiots, write complete horseshit about how they think algorithms work and the only thing that they write about is what tooling X has in order to implement what the algorithm is doing. Those are two very different things. On one end, you have a hypervector space. On the other end, you have the stuff that it integrates with to execute what it is. That's how it really works. And then on top of that, there was a whole monetization scandal. Now, I'm going to give you the quick math right right now. By the way, this is how it actually works. And X themselves has stated this a while back. There was a thing that was called ad revenue, ad revenue share. And it was in that time where impressions counted more than anything else because ads were served as pieces of content underneath your posts. So if so that's why people said go into the comment section and look at stuff there because that's the only thing that counted. So back then impressions were the highest value thing. Then they switched it to revenue sharing. So we had ad revenue sharing where you getting impressions on ads would get you a cut of the ad. Right? That was ad rev sharing. Now they just have rev sharing. And how it works is that only for accounts that are verified premium subscribers, right? There's a bit of a there's a bit of a semantics issue that people had, which I thought was ridiculous, but people thought it was supposed to be subscribers as in people are subscribed to, you know, verified premium. Premium is verified. It's a subscription to the platform. So verify premium subscriber. That's the that's the semantics. only those people are the ones that actually generate you revenue. But it works per unique reply. Unique reply meaning individual replies, right? And the quick math on this is if you take into account a few unverified replies as well, a few non-unique, then on average to make $1,000, you need to get 10,000 replies every two weeks. That's the math. As a matter of fact, you could go to people's accounts and calculate how much revenue they're making based on however many comments they have, but it also varies between creators because some of those don't attract people who are verified, right? Like for instance, there was this one person who interviewed me on one of their live streams was a huge meme at the time. His name is Connor Esans always complains about his [ __ ] payout. I told him, "Dude, 80% of your audience is non-verified. That's why you get so little and you even and of the little that you do get, you don't even have as many comments. like it's it's it's crazy, right? So, it's a little different, but for the majority of creators, it's like gives you 90 to 80% accuracy of a calculation. I kept like applying this. It actually keeps working. It's really funny. And of course, you know, you had the whole payout thing where everybody had a meltdown. It was like, hey, this guy received 10K. It's like the reason why he received 10K was because it was just given. That has nothing to do with the impressions. And I had to explain to him. I was in DMs with this guy, Zoomer. I was telling him, "It's not impressions, it is your replies." And I was able to know how many replies he had based on his payout, his actual payout, which was $1,500. To, by the way, to for comparison, to get a hundred thou to get um to get $10,000 as a payout, you need to get a $100,000 replies minimal, right? And actually it's funny because now people look at 100 million impression posts and go well actually I think we should go and pay people per impressions. If you do that there will be even less payout as well. So we have a whole bunch of people who don't know how the platform works talking about how impressions work and also don't know how to do math in their head saying we want insane volume in an algorithm that needs to be trained continually over time. You will absolutely [ __ ] yourself this way. But hey, that's a thing that's happening and that's the explanation of it. Like there are tons of people who are saying [ __ ] and that's all [ __ ] Well, what about it?

>> Um, so the one I use is not a

>> bro creatine.

>> Let me let me Okay, so the one I use is not available where you are, but uh this is literally

>> and I can use this one. Okay,

>> this is literally the only Crea Pure one I could find that I could that you can use.

>> Literally the only one. Okay, good. Okay, good. Fair. But anyways, kind of back to the subject. Back to the subject, back to the subject matter at hand. Like I see this as a fundamental problem. Like people are talking about how to then get value out of the platform. And when they saw this thing happen, a lot of people know exactly what I know because they're actual posters. And you may wonder to yourself, how the [ __ ] is it that I know so much about the platform? Because there probably isn't anyone here who uses it as much as I do. I use this [ __ ] app 50 hours a week, every week. There is no one who has any user statistics, even close to that, unless you're running this on a [ __ ] computer and you just leave the tab open to AFK. There's no one who has as many spaces as ours as I do. Not even [ __ ] Mario cuz he only does them every now and then. And he's given up, by the way, man. Like, it's a huge thing. So, like, if I start saying things like that, can you imagine what other people are saying? That's what's going on. And that's like kind of the story of X at the moment. That's kind of the story of spaces. That's why all this shit's like nobody gives a [ __ ] about spaces anymore as much as they used to. Now the only thing that's being done quite heavily is live streams. But even then, I've seen fewer people do that still. Right now, the only people on my feed right now who are doing live streams is four three three instances of Alex Jones. There is the Alex Jones account. There is the Infowars account. There is the Alex Jones network accounts and then there is uh one of the one of the native Patriot people. That's it. That's all I'm seeing. I'm seeing four [ __ ] live streams right now. I used to see 10. I go to spaces. Let's have a look at our spaces here. I see only five, six or five spaces. the the highest one that I can see next to my own has like 300 people. So it's insane like they need to like prioritize this. A platform's biggest value is live streaming actually. And in this case like this is the thing that gave rise to me even

>> you know though every time like I keep seeing

>> like at some point Elon will reply to someone being like let's do it to like someone offering to help him like make streaming better. And it never results in anything.

>> Yeah. And look, I don't I'm I'm I'm not complaining about anything. I'm just making an assessment here. I'm a happy camper as it is, but not everybody is like me. Not everybody has the same amount of security that I do. You know, I have a strong conviction in my audience and that I can do this for the love of the game. But what about everybody else? They want to grow, too. And it's just not not something that's as easy. Like it's it's not something that you can really do as much anymore. Like if I had started today to grow on spaces, it would not work. But I did it two years ago and it did work. Hence why we're here. I got lucky, you know, I got in early, you know, when it was at its highest peak and now it's just kind of different. Also, there's a bit of a economic instability thing going on where like a lot of people are forced to actually go work. So that's thing that is a major major major factor as well. So don't forget that you know these are very volatile times where there's a lot of work going on even with me like the reason why I am thinking a lot more about monetization itself. You never hear hear me speak about this kind of [ __ ] It's actually one of the first times I'm actually speaking about this at length even. The only reason why I'm thinking about this because I myself recognize the same types of problems and go like hey man I got to like figure out how well this like functions and how we can put it together and create a kind of a kind of like a cohesive like plan financial plan even right? So I guess everybody else is having the same issue look everybody knows that the markets are about to go to absolute [ __ ] you know it's like everybody can see this so so we're just kind of going Okay, what do we bag up on? What do we like when there's a great depression event? Not a depression of the economy, but a depression of the mind. How do we invest in that, bro? You know, there stuff like that. So, you start thinking about those things and it kind of changes you a little bit. And so, you're not as upbeat. I still focus on the primary stuff, which is the game, cuz I see this as a video game. I love playing XCOM the video game. There's not a thing I'll ever stop doing no matter how bad it gets. Like even if this whole platform sees like complete elimination of spaces, I'm still going to be here. I don't give a [ __ ] I'm always going to be here, man. I love this place. This is the best place that there is. But man, you got to like put more like um then I think there needs to be put more effort put into things that make it really unique and spaces makes this platform remarkably unique. It's one of the best features there is. It's probably the best feature because the thing is having a place that is algorithmically independent is very difficult to create. And so having a format like this where you have like a limited amount of speakers, you have like you know one person who hosts a thing is a great way to give creators a chance to make something of themselves. I am a product of spaces. Without spaces I would be [ __ ] nobody. I am a product of spaces. That's why I keep doing them. I am a product. Without that [ __ ] I would have made it nowhere. I would have seen a hundth of the growth. So that's why I love this place so much. It's like I am a product. I am the [ __ ] product. Like it's crazy. And I see a lot of other people see the same thing.

>> Oh, what was that?

>> Well, I think you're totally right. I mean, if you look at it in terms of one, we're in an attention economy and what's holding people's attention is the time they spend on spaces, right? Like people scroll the timeline, they're not really paying attention to a lot of the content, even the content they're liking. And then from another perspective, in terms of work being put in, it's also more work to operate a space, to run a good space. And the people who are doing that, I I think at least deserve something for the work that they're putting in to hold people's attention on the platform.

>> Exactly. Like dude, one of the reasons why everything became super viral here, especially during the election, was because of spaces. You know, you had like Donald Trump come on. It was actually the biggest increase to spaces growth was because of the Donald Trump Elon crossover that uplifted this platform's reach dramatically because you finally saw the components of what it's like if you brought everybody into the same place. And to be fair, by the way, across all all all all all versions of platforms, you see a bit of a decrease in the internet because it's like a correction from co. You're actually going to see activity on the internet decrease a little bit over time. Actually, I would I would say that probably 10 to 20% of all internet activity will be permanently eliminated over the next 5 years because the initification is continuing, right? You have new verification systems. You got some [ __ ] [ __ ] UK people saying, "Hey, we're going to force our laws onto US citizens and everybody else." And look, somebody might be asking, "Hey, Adrian, you don't live in America. Why do you care about that?" Well, cuz I live outside of the [ __ ] UK. They could [ __ ] me just like everybody else. What am I going to do if I say something bad about the the the UK government, for instance, by accident even? What if I happen to say, "Oh my god, you should probably do something about the crime problem." And they say there is no crime problem. What are they going to do? like violate my [ __ ] sovereignty in the country that I live in, which is not the UK because I would never [ __ ] live there. That's [ __ ] up. So, that shit's going to continue. It's only going to get worse. The EU in terms of information is going to have a really bad [ __ ] time because they're the ones who are actually like actively destroying their own privacy modes. Like before Europe was all about privacy. Today, that's gone. Switzerland is getting rid of it. The European Union is getting rid of it. They're all getting rid of it. It's all gone. It's all finished. that shit's going to be gone soon, right? And so there's going to be a decrease still. And so now you got to figure out how exactly do you retain your dominance? A lot there a lot of people out there that are working on the side of all of us here. You know, there's like this guy Preston who's like fighting with the [ __ ] UK government right now to make sure to set precedent for other platforms so if the UK tries to [ __ ] with other countries, they can fight back. And he's doing that [ __ ] pro bono literally for the [ __ ] love of the game because he wants to be like he wants to leave behind some legacy. And some people go like ah that's the only reason he wants to do it. No, it's good man. You got to have good impact and that's what he's doing. So that's awesome as well, you know, but it's not going to counter it effectively.

>> He's doing what he believes in and he's doing something that a lot of lawyers believe in.

>> Yeah.

>> Like we care about freedom of speech. We care about individual sovereignty. Uh and and to see other countries take that away from their citizens so willy-nilly, especially a country that our legal system is based on is scary for a lot of attorneys.

>> Yeah, dude. I live in a country that's based on like British law itself as well. I literally live in a former colony. That's even more direct than what America's got. Like there's been almost no like change in law since the 19th century. There's been a few [ __ ] additions by [ __ ] clueless lawmakers who all are not deserving of any shred of bureaucratic power. They should all be like cleaned out of the system for the incompetence and the damage that they've caused. But still, like you know, the law system is a law system, right? And but here's the thing, you know, in me doing this and me talking about this, I'm putting a I'm putting a bunch of risk on the line here. A lot of people are not going to want to hear this. They're going to look at this and go, "Well, this is this is something you shouldn't be saying." I'm like, well, who's going to say it then? Like, I don't have a meltdown on the timeline, you know? That's what I'm not going to do. I'm just going to like have the assessment and we're going to make a show out of this for the love of the game. And again, there's no reach anyways. So, and if there is, hey man, that's a bonus. You know, if drama fuels reach, that's [ __ ] up. We ought to like, you know, look for signal. Like one of the things for instance is I I I post a bunch about manufacturing and very few people see that [ __ ] because I simply do it for the love of the game. Like I want more people to speak about these things. I want more people to care about rockets. I want more people to care about this kind of stuff. So I use that. That is my that is kind of like my duty. That's what I set out to do when I initially first came into space is I said I want to change things. I want to get people familiarized with stuff that isn't being mainstreamed because it's not supposedly cool. You know, you have like the you have like Alex Jones who would say that Mellin is a lot cooler than Justin Bieber. And I would argue that Starship is a lot cooler than Marvel. I don't give a [ __ ] about the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That shit's just that's just dumb. It's stupid. It's basically dead. Phase 4 is [ __ ] You know, I watched I watched everything. I get to say that [ __ ] It was good in its early days, you know, and then it became political and dumb. So that's [ __ ] stupid. You got to take politics out of everything, man. Don't put it back in. You spend like ages taking that [ __ ] out. Now you got to put it back in. Come on. You know, so like care about that kind of stuff. Look at how things are being made, you know? It's it's good. You know, people care more more about manufacturing. They care more about their mental health, their physical health. That's also one of the reasons why like you know internet presence is decreasing because a lot of mainstream stuff is just about keeping people's attention by doing dumb [ __ ] But now to keep attention with intelligent stuff is a lot harder. But the people who do stick around like they are very valuable. Also again one of the reasons why I do that this is entertainment but with utility. Not not not no utility. Like what utility do you get off off of watching a Marvel movie? There is none. It's dipshittery. It's dumb. There's no real physics in it. And when there were any physics, that [ __ ] was like [ __ ] five years ago. And they're not ever doing that ever again, right? So like now this is real entertainment. It's fun to me. I think it's hilarious. But it's also going to have a bit of a correction as well. That's what I'm going to see. A little bit of a correction. It's just going to be kind of slow. I think like perpetually things will kind of be there's going to be less there's going to be less to go around but a lot more who want a piece of the pie. There's going to be less pie but more people who want a piece of it. I'm starting to see that like I see a lot more activity out of various other countries that you know want a piece of the American capital that's left over. You know, that's why there's also a heavy push by Nikita to like, you know, put location information on their profile, right? Because it's obvious that a lot of America's greatest [ __ ] posters are not American actually, right? Oh, and by the way, just just just so that you know, a lot of the West accounts with like the weird Roman statue PFPs, they're not Americans. They're not even Europeans. 80 90% of them. You're gonna

>> the American Eagle ones too.

>> Oh god. Yeah, dude. I'm actually in favor of this. I don't give a [ __ ] People will go like, "Oh, where where is this? Where's this guy based? Some island in the South Pacific." They're going to look at me and go, "Oh, this guy's an island boy." You know, who gives a [ __ ] Like this is this good for me actually. It's it's [ __ ] hilarious. People look at that. It's like, "What is that place? Is that like the water?" I'm like, "Yeah, it is like the water, but it's also like the island where the big volcano is." What volcano? Don't worry about it, man. Don't worry about it, little bro. You're going to put those fries in the back very soon. Island, boys.

>> I hate that [ __ ] so much. That that meme, but it's hilarious. It's a good room.

>> I'm surprised they're not dead yet.

>> What happened?

>> I'm surprised they are not dead yet. Honestly, mimemetically, of course, not physically.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> No, everybody's evolving. Like, if you're smart, you can retain it. Like me, I've evolved, too. You know, I used to be politics adjacent. Now, I'm not political at all. Like, even when all this [ __ ] was going down and it was like popular to farm off of politics. I just decided, nah, [ __ ] it, man. I got to be consistent. Got to stay dead center on the alignment chart. The only thing I concern myself with is not how is not which direction I er chart because I don't really air in any direction. I just consider myself with how close I am to God. That's a bit That's it. That's the only thing you need to like [ __ ] consider yourself like concern yourself with. [ __ ] society. [ __ ] all these like nonsensical things. Just make something new and see if you could do something that's good, you know? Like the most good. Create like net positives. Don't spread hate. Don't cause hate. Don't do any of those things. Like I'm like I've kept the timeline as clean as possible for for me and anybody who follows me. And like I I think it's gone pretty well. So that that's that's pretty neat. But we got to address these types of things because people have been asking like what do I think about this? What do I think about that? So I'm like okay [ __ ] it. We're going to do the whole package this week. We're going to like get all of that out of the way so everybody knows the take. You know what is the position? I'm like I don't know bro. The position don't change. We go forward. Like what's your what's your intentions? What is the next step in the operation? Uh the one that's forward. What's the next step in the operation? You know it's like I don't know. We're looking at anti-gravity tech so we can like walk on the air. Maybe that's that's a step. You know, that's that's what we call making money. I don't know. Like, what was my next step? Getting a new computer.

>> I think it's much better to stay loyal to principles and ideals than it is to politicians or political parties because the people will invariably let you down.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah. There are no politics. I love you. And sometimes when you see that the other side are respecting the print like the the p principles you sometimes you have to side with that side. I think that's what happened uh centrist that are just uh centrists that only like uh go by like principles that's why they've been uh switching polit political sides. H

>> yeahs

>> centrists are the only thing that matters in swinging the election

>> because the people that are Democrats they're going to vote Democrat the people that are Republicans are going to vote Republicans and that's never going to change unless you know they change their political beliefs for whatever reason but it's really the centrists that are like flip-flopping around and I think a lot of times both Republicans and Democrats seem to forget that and they just kind of give in to the most extreme side of their um political movements just because they're like we're in power now. Clearly the tide is shifted to everyone Republican, but no, they just voted Republican or they just voted Democrat, right? It doesn't mean that they actually identify with the party.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. You look at the current administration, over 50% of the cabinet members are former Democrats or they're actually are the old Democrat. They're they're Democrats. This the Democrat party just left them, bro. They went completely psychotic.

>> Yeah. But it's also kind of like a a side correction thing. Like there was a there's a thing with this. Again, this is an abandonment of principles, right?

>> I I don't care about politics. I care about principles. And I think like over time, the idea of what it used to be to be a liberal has changed a whole bunch as well. for instance and even even to it like I was there when the whole woke movement began. I was at the [ __ ] peak of it right there where it started. I was in the place where where where it first got created where they took an existing word which was actually created by black people in order to kind of like demonstrate a state of awareness like those types of people who are really based, you know, those like those people you want to hang out with, right? That's what that word initially meant. And so then a whole bunch of people co-opted it and it got disseminated through all these like forums and things and I was there when it happened because like the first thing that was done was to get people comfortable with the word. So firstly they disseminated in a lot of places. One of them even being Discord at the time, right? Because Discord servers were probably being paid to do it. Um so it was like here here's your here here you can have this this thing that's called the woke role. I was like what is that? No just take it. It's good. It's progressive. Like I don't know what it means. Let me let me go look it up. So at the time I still got the definition of what it once was. I was like, "Oh, hey, that's actually pretty cool. [ __ ] it. I'll take it." So, I had that whole [ __ ] Then I like kind of quit that for a bit. Had a whole like uh thing that I did. Came back like two, three years later and was like, "So, this is not at all what this word meant. What the what just [ __ ] happened?" No, no, this is the opposite. This is horrible. What are you guys doing, man? Come on. Hey, stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Like, let's let's take this [ __ ] knife out of that guy's back. Why is that even there? You know, that would ended up happening, right? So, it's just a principles problem if anything. Same thing with science, you know? No longer did we think about first principles. We thought about fake religions and we said believe the science. There's no such [ __ ] thing as belief. There's quant there's there's quantifying and understanding and there's there's method. There is no belief. Belief is reserved for the spiritual. Belief is reserved for the divine, not for some [ __ ] statistical conclusion that doesn't exist. That's fake. That's blasphemous of anything. It's blasphemous to every [ __ ] religion, even the ones that have seek to destroy this world. Isn't that insane? Like that's crazy, isn't it? When you have like literally a religion that's designed to destroy the [ __ ] earth and that [ __ ] is like that [ __ ] is less blasphemous than the [ __ ] like like science supposeded. Like it's it's crazy to me. It's it's insane. And I think I actually poured these coffee grounds in the wrong direction and they kind of like fell off the garbage and there was like a whole bunch of like like black grounds on my ground. Black grounds on the ground. That's funny. That rhymes nicely. I also got to make myself some steak. It's really good right now. It's like it's it's already acclimatized to room temperature. So, I'm going to like take it out of its packets, put some grooves into it, put some seasoning on it, rub that in, flip it over, do the same on the other side, take that, put it in the pan, fry it off for like, you know, one to two minutes, and then it's finished and we're going to eat it. So, uh yeah, also later we might do some Path of Exile streaming and uh andor like maybe Halo Infinite depending on whether or not our guys are ready to play a campaign. Um, yeah. Is that a gecko? Yeah, that is a gecko actually. That is gone. Gecko. Oh boy.

>> H like Laura Cat's microphone is on.

>>

I unmuted briefly just to just to say that the worst part about not being uh where you are is that I don't get to eat that delicious steak. It was some of the best steak I've ever had in my life.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Me and Laura Cat, we had a bit of a crossover. It was the first time I ever had anyone over at where I live. And uh yeah, cooked him a whole bunch of steak and he really enjoyed it. We had a lot of fun, man. Like it was it was great. We should do that again sometime.

>> Yeah, that was a wonderful whirlwind trip. Uh it would be nice to spend some more time someday.

>> Yeah, 100%. It's always open. Better time now than any other, honestly.

>> Meat from untouched places is some of the best meat.

>> Oh, no. It's not from an untouched place. The meat that we have over here comes from [ __ ] Australia.

>> There's there's nothing made locally. This is it's an import. hate I hate Australian beef so much.

>> Hey, hey, hey, hey. That shit's good. Okay, it is good. It is good, man. By comparison to other stuff that I have had around, it's actually pretty good. New Zealand meat is also pretty good. They both got >> meat New Zealand's better. New Zealand is way better.

>> I I just don't like Australia. It just tastes too >> Which beef specifically are you referring to? Because I feel like you're just doing the Wii thing.

>> All of them.

>> No, no, no. All of them. All of them. Like it's just like >> that you can you can taste the grass kind of right that they like the their diet kind of changes it. You can taste like the grass that they ate uh kind of you can taste the differences between what type of grass even the grass-fed cows no matter where they eat. You can taste kind of the Australian one. You can taste the New Zealand one. You can taste the one from uh Japan. You can taste the one from [ __ ] um Argentina or US, right? And it's like Australian beef always has this shitty aftertaste that I really [ __ ] hate.

>> Yeah. It's like the cow committed a felony and got exiled.

>> Yes.

>> Bruh. Bruh. Bro, that's a deep cut. Bruh. Little penal colony reference. Why not? You know. Damn. Look, it's just I it Australian out of all the beef I've eaten, out of all the grass-fed beef I've eaten, and I've eaten them from a lot of countries, um, Australian is probably the worst one.

>> I don't know, man. I've eaten worse. It's good for me.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, it tastes good. It's acceptable.

>> It's Australia's really big. It probably depends on what region.

>> Yes. Awesome.

>> Yeah. The stuff that gets exported to the US is mass-produced, so that's definitely going to suck.

>> Well, I mean, I get like grass-fed, so I don't know. Like >> grass-fed or grass-finish? And what kind of grass specifically are we talking about? Are we talking outside grass or grass taken from the outside compressed tiny little pills and fed to the thing? I mean, I got it. I got it. I got this thing. I got this Australian beef.

>> It's [ __ ]

>> uh that I got this Australian beef from this company that um they they were fed they didn't get vaccinate the cows. They didn't like give them any drugs. Uh they had space to walk or do whatever they wanted and they ate grass and they weren't fed any corn and nothing of the sort and it still tastes like [ __ ]

>> Mhm. It

>> It's the drugs that make him taste. No, no, because like when you get you get them when you get them from like other countries, they don't t they don't have that taste. I don't know.

>> It's the same with drinks. The drugs with the drugs taste the tastiest,

>> man. Anyways, um, yeah, Australian beef works.

>> Look at what I sent. Look at what I sent.

>> Is Siraj not Siraj isn't gay?

>> Really?

>> What? Of course not.

>> It's not.

>> That's That's just out calling me.

>> He's [ __ ] posting Batman like I'm Batman [ __ ] memes. What is this [ __ ]

>> Don't worry about it.

>> Who's Who's posting Batman memes?

>> Sur.

>> Where?

>> He's posting like a 5-year-old.

>> Where is he posting that? He's clearly not putting it. He's clearly not putting it in the normal group chats. in the comment section.

>> Oh, that's where he's putting it. See, he knows to put it there because I hardly ever check it because my notifications are super selective. He knows because I will absolutely [ __ ] cook him if I see just a little bit of that.

>> Don't worry. I'm cooking him for you.

>> Excellent.

>> Listen, listen. You got to clean this out of you. You do not need this. You don't need that. It's not something that's that's going to serve you, man.

>> Wait, you just said you had a problem with Marvel. You also have a problem with DC. No,

>> I have a problem with the current version of DCS.

>> Our problem is you're being a [ __ ]

>> Yes. If

>> you just need to kill your inner child, Siraj.

>> No, no, you don't have to kill your inner child. You have to stop being a child. You have to retain your childish whimsy, but don't become a little [ __ ] in the process. You can't perpetually remain 15 years old.

>> You got to start it.

>> You got to grow up.

>> You didn't have the spider experience. Okay. You didn't have the like 10-year-old experience of like being afraid of the dark and then just standing there one day going like, "What if I want them to catch me? What if I want them to try?" And then switches the light off to slowly walk up the stairs.

>> I was born in the dark.

>> Yeah, you're not born in the [ __ ] dark, bro.

>> You're born You're born in the semi You're born in the semi brown. The place where all the the place where all the light is obscured by problems. That's not called the dark. That's called claustrophobia. You're actually born in the You're actually kind of born in the purplish orange. And that doesn't make any sense, but you will understand soon enough.

>> Wait, did you actually get the quote?

>> Yes, I did get the quote. It doesn't apply to you, believe me.

>> Oh, okay.

>> You weren't born in the dark, my bro. You were born on a [ __ ] table with a big ass like [ __ ] H hallogen bulb looking at your brain and the doctor goes, "Yep, this guy's fine."

>> You know, you got the doctor pulling the baby out, looking at this tiny little [ __ ] thing under the big halogen light bulb going, "Yep, this looks okay."

>> That's where you were born.

>> They lied to his mother.

>> Well, what's up? What's up?

>> They lied to his mother, man. They said he was okay.

>> Look,

>> oh my god.

>> Look at what I'm sending.

>> Goodness me. Just

>> Suraj, you may have been born in the dark, but Adrien Dentman built his platform in a dungeon with scraps.

>> Yeah, I literally built it in my bathroom. Not even kidding.

>> The bathroom.

>> That's from Iron Man, by the way.

>> I built I built it. I built it in my bathroom with nothing but a box of scraps.

>> Did I say that phase 4 sucks? Yes, I did. Did I say that it was good before? Yes, I did. It's not good anymore. It's like people watching the social network and going like, "Oh yeah, Zuckerberg, cool." It's the same thing except for like the movie is wrong.

>> H

>> the Loki series was pretty good, I think.

>> No, it [ __ ] wasn't. That was [ __ ] ass.

>> It was I would say it was all right. I would say it was all right.

>> I watched it. It was all right.

>> The fact that I know I watched it and don't remember anything. It's probably ass. It was kind of ass, but I think it was kind of all right. It was all right. I liked it.

>> No, it was a little bit. It was ass.

>> No, no, I liked it. It was fine. I like the concepts in it.

>> It was kind of nice.

>> [ __ ] propagandist. You're a [ __ ] propaganda.

>> Yes, I am a propagandist. What do you What the [ __ ] do you think this like, dude? Bro, what do you like, Dude? Look at me. Look at me. Look at this. Yes, I am a propagandist. I am my own propaganda, bro. You could reject it and that's fine. But like, dude, I of course I'm a propagandist. I'm not spreading someone else's propaganda. I'm just my own propaganda and a little bit of religion on the side. But that that one's just a choice for everybody else to make. Bro calls me a propaganda. So I'm like, "Yeah, that's right. I I don't spread any like I don't spread propaganda that is funded. I just spread memes for funnies. That's that's really it. Just for the for the love of the game. That's really it.

>> Smoothrained propagandist

>> pretty much. Like we don't we talk about steak and then people eat more steak. We talk about creatine. They understand how muscles work. That is surely it is propaganda. It is just voluntary propaganda. We don't tell you to eat more steak necessarily. Although there will be times where we do recommend it at least if you have a certain type of body, but checking yourself out first of course before you go ahead and do that. Um, but yeah, it's all just natural. We don't force this on anyone. You don't have to accept us. I hate this chart. I [ __ ] hate this chart so much. I hate the chart that just like out just sent me

>> and I don't like that guy

>> and I'm tired. I'm tired of these like of these like repetitive posts even though I don't see them. Everybody else just keeps talking to me about them. That's the thing that is the thing that gets me. What's this here? The last line. CSS is fundamentally insane and impossible to master.

>> He's right. He's right. He's right.

>> That's hilarious.

>> It's such a [ __ ] mess,

>> dude. It's so the the web the web is like the biggest pile of horseshit on earth. It's like the it's what happens when like there's no standardization of anything and everyone's just doing whatever the [ __ ] they want and then the browser's just got to [ __ ] figure out what to do with all this horseshit.

>> We can't do whatever the [ __ ] we want. It's too easy to develop for the web. So, every [ __ ] develops it in the most [ __ ] way possible.

>> Interesting.

>> And then the web browser's got to [ __ ] deal with all that [ __ ] Which is why it's it's about as difficult to make a [ __ ] web browser as it is to make a [ __ ] operating system.

>> Yeah. How's that, bro? Take a look here. Um, one of the things about spaces is I had to like do hyper curations, so I don't really let let up as many people anymore. So, don't take offense to that. I just don't know you yet. Um, I have to get to know you over years. Also, you must be subscribed. That's one of them. and uh obviously being followed. And there's this one [ __ ] guy. What is this? Unverified followback in his bio and says that for this Diwali who shouldn't buy fireworks. Oh god, you're one of those people. Meaning that you're one of those those people who think that like fireworks are a massive problem. I have an issue with you. I myself, by the way, I myself I like Diwali. Okay, where I live, that [ __ ] is practiced. And of course, I'm going to get my hands on a bunch of fireworks. I'm going to cause a hella bunch of noise cuz it's fun. It's awesome. You got to nuke the [ __ ] place, man. It's good. And then I see [ __ ] like this. It's like, what [ __ ] [ __ ] is this? Oh yeah, 100%. This [ __ ] guy here talking about, oh my god, it's bad. It pollutes the air, brother. Brother, fluid dynamics. Ever heard of it? This is math that you haven't come up with, but let me explain. Simply it dissipates in an hour. That's That's it. That's That's my comeback. That's my comeback to that.

>> Did you see the Mexican fireworks? The I I think I sent them to you once. The big ass one.

>> The Which one? The one that flies flows up with a balloon like

>> No. No. The one that was shaped like a devil.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. That one's fun. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see that one video of like a group of people that have like this balloon that they sent up there and they basically airirst strike themselves? That was [ __ ] funny.

>> No, I haven't seen that.

>> That [ __ ] is awesome. It's like literally it goes up and then it explodes. There's like tons of tiny little other firecrackers that rain from the sky and it just like it's so bad that the camera lens shakes within the camera.

>> So beautiful.

>> I'm going to get my explosives license for 2026. Yes.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> I got a trailer with a flat tire. I need to move 8 ft.

>> Explosives, bro. You want more explosives?

>> Incredible tech, bro. Absolutely. Incredible tech.

>> Yeah, I love I love blowing stuff up. Um, in Texas, you can do just about anything. Um, but there's like limits on how much you can do. And so like some of the ones that are legal tannerite, me and my buddy will will go and we'll mix like the max legally allowed amount which is 49 pounds and uh we'll go like blow up a tree. Um it it's a good time.

>> Nice. Tree in your way, explode it.

>> Mhm.

>> Let's go.

>> That sounds fun.

>> Is that a live tree or a dead tree? Uh, dead. There's a lot of dead trees where where we're at. Um,

>> yeah, I wouldn't. There's no need to kill a live one, but dead one, you can have some fun with it.

>> 100%. Absolutely, man. [ __ ] the environmentalist. We got to blow up dead trees. [ __ ] yeah. Reintroduce the carbon into the into the system by turning it into a nice little fine brown mist. Let's go. I was going to come over there this year, but the US is this this year is very anti-imemedic. So, uh, you know, it's a guy who got [ __ ] because he had a JD Vance meme on his phone, even though JD Vance himself is spreading those memes. So, uh, that's unfortunate. So, when I see that, I I'll I take the message. I get the message. You want to have your empire thing. We're going to I respect us. I'm not going to [ __ ] with that. So, I'm just going to like know my place and stay away. I'm not going to come to the US this year um or even years to come unless of course the Supreme Court brings back the much much essential like this this this like you got to have due process. If things are being done without due process, it's a very dangerous time. And look, I get it, man. Maybe maybe there are ways you can deal with some people who are problematic faster. But at this point, people who are literally doing no wrong are getting [ __ ] for no legitimate reason whatsoever. So, I'm going to I take the message. I get the message. I'm just going to stay away, man. And I don't want to care. I I don't I'm not going to do [ __ ] So, yeah. Unfortunately, this year I wanted to come to JP and, you know, help uh you know, kind of like be there when he blows up trees. I was really looking forward to that, but oh well. Change. You know, the the worst thing that came out of this politics is not the stalks being decimated, but the fact that I was robbed off of like um I was robbed of exploding trees. I'm I'm very deeply troubled by this. when I get the license though, like I I'll probably renew it in 2029.

>> You're welcome then. But the cool thing about the license is fireballs cuz all the explosives that are legal without licenses

>> don't have a big fire with them.

>> Interesting.

>> So that's what I'm Yeah.

>> So basically, you're trying to get permission to make mushroom clouds is what you're trying to tell me here. Very dangerous time. And look, I get it, man. Maybe maybe there are ways you can deal with some people who are problematic faster. But at this point, people who are literally doing no wrong are getting [ __ ] for no legitimate reason whatsoever. So, I'm going to I take the message. I get the message. I'm just going to stay away, man. And I don't care. I I don't I'm not going to do [ __ ] So, yeah. Unfortunately, this year I wanted to come uh to JP and, you know, help uh you know, kind of like be there when he blows up trees. I was really looking forward to that, but oh well. change. You know, my the worst thing that came out of this politics is not the stocks being decimated, but the fact that I was robbed off of like um I was robbed of exploding trees. I'm I'm very deeply troubled by this.

>> When I get the license though, like I I'll probably renew it in 2029.

>> You're welcome then. But the cool thing about the license is fireballs because all the explosives that are legal without licenses don't have a big fire with them. So that's what I'm Yeah.

>> So basically you're trying to get permission to make mushroom clouds is what you're trying to tell me here.

>> Well, you saw that video. We're making mushroom clouds.

>> A you're making you're making virgin mushroom clouds. You got to get the one with the spice. You know the ones that have fire in them.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. We're trying to make big mushroom clouds.

>> Nice. Look, you you you know you you know how this is, man. I'm I'm from Europe. Europeans love big explosions. Okay. I mean, where do you think the nukes came from? Seriously, we love big explosions.

>> How are these not actual shows? Like, I never hear about like explosion shows other than

>> it's very like you probably don't want to do that

>> actually now that I think about it. Like, do you seriously want everybody to know how to make that? Like, it's bad enough that there's a thing called the anarchist cookbook. There's actually a better alternative to it that was released from the government itself, but I'm just not going to name it because I don't want to. It is released. It's open. Everybody can read it. I'm just not going to tell you what it is. And it's better than the anarchist cookbook. It's like anarchist cookbook is like the lesser version of that. It's actually a really interesting book. I'm not Don't read it, by the way. It's don't do it. You could, but don't do it. I'm real.

>> Listen. Uh, I said watching someone who has a license. I didn't say like making explosions myself, but how is that?

>> All right. So, today we're going to mix this powder with that powder. We're going to take that, put it inside a tree, and make it go bust. Okay. Now, I want you to understand, you don't want to go over this many milligrams of that cuz if you do, they're going to be problems.

>> We got to stay with inside the law.

>> There's going to be problems, but not for long. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's not something you can go and like pay someone to go out and do. Like it's kind of something you have to like know someone who's doing it themselves.

>> Um I I just so happen to be in an area where um there's a lot of open land and a bunch of land owners who uh don't care. Well, as long as long as these retards open up the uh government, I got invited to a hot Apache gun range in November if anybody wants to come.

>> Oh, I uh

>> Are they Are they actually going to open up the government? I don't really see them opening up the government anytime soon.

>> I dude I think they're going to open it next week. I do. But

>> what makes you so sure?

>> Well, the the Democrats were supposedly waiting on this. No Kings Rally. That was today before they opened it back up. And so, um, that's

>> since they dissipated. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, I I think

>> the No Kings Rally was a non-event as far as I can see.

>> It was a bunch of old people. It was like a just a bunch of old 70-year-old hippies.

>> Uh, excellent.

>> Just the people that actually ruined the country all got together and was like, "Hey, let's let's protest what, you know, let's protest the country that we tried to ruin." Man,

>> the sad part about that is is a lot a lot of them are paid and they're only there because they can't afford all the [ __ ] because everything's gotten so expensive.

>> Yeah, pretty much.

>> By the way, Milo Yiannopoulos posted that apparently has a brain tumor.

>> Oh, damn. That sucks.

>> Is he for real? That

>> I mean, there's a lot of people dying like this here. A lot of those. Man, that's unfortunate. Nice.

>> Is it Is it um turbo cancers?

>> Did he get vaccinated?

>> I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest with you guys. The [ __ ] vaccine [ __ ] is getting ridiculous.

>> What do you mean?

>> Like it's like any someone dying for any reason and automatically everyone's like, "Was it co a COVID vaccine?" Like some guy dies because his car crashed and I go down into the [ __ ] comments and the top comment is like, "The co did was he vaxed though?" Like,

>> yeah. Well, hey, here's the thing.

>> People used to die before co. You guys realize that, right?

>> Yes. But here's the thing. I think it's a little bit over the top, but personally, I don't think it's over the top enough. This needs to be so annoying and so everpresent that it's never going to be forgotten. That's my thing. They're like, I I I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Actually, maybe you didn't get [ __ ] enough by wherever you were at at the time, but for me personally, I I love the fact this this annoys people. I want this to be rubbed into everyone's faces permanently because the [ __ ] that they pulled over here, they turned this [ __ ] country over here into a borderline militarized dictatorship. They [ __ ] everything. They set everything back [ __ ] 10 years. They destroyed local businesses. They [ __ ] killed people. They they they violated their [ __ ] illegal constitution that that very dictator put into place in [ __ ] 2013. And they violated the Geneva Accords. They violated everything. Basic [ __ ] human rights. So, no, I don't think it's ridiculous. It needs to get worse. I want it to be more when everybody dies. And when anybody dies, even a [ __ ] dude in his 90s, I want somebody to ask that question. I want it to be so deeply ingrained in everyone's brain that that [ __ ] will never ever happen again. So, no, I don't see this ridiculous. You live in America, you don't know. Personally, it's it's it's like it couldn't be worse. It was it was it was nowhere nowhere close >> nowhere close as bad. So, for me, it's a personal issue. I want it to get way worse. It's not enough. It's not enough. I want more people to be annoyed. Not even close. It needs to be a never forget situation.

>> Yeah.

>> Anybody dies for any reason at all? First question. Vaccination. Was he vaxed though? I don't give a [ __ ] What if they just normally died? Okay, cool. Good. You know, or not good, you know, cuz somebody died obviously. I don't give a [ __ ] Does it annoy you? Good. Should be it should annoy everybody harder, man. And I know so many people that lost their jobs because they had to make a decision between feeding their family and taking that stupid vax, man.

>> Yeah.

>> My [ __ ] colleagues all were forcibly vaccinated and then I had to see them in their bunk beds sweating their asses off with their [ __ ] fever and their eyes red as [ __ ] because of this. Like I'm not coming back from that. That's that's done. That's done. That's not going away. That's that's that's never getting forgotten. and I'll make sure it doesn't get forgotten. So, it needs to get more ridiculous. Maybe you weren't as affected by this. But over here, things were absolute ass. And I will never forgive this [ __ ]

>> I I was work from home at the time, and I uh ended up quitting my job because they were trying to make me get a vaccine even though I was in a completely different state and uh not in the office.

>> Thing is, it wasn't even required by law.

>> That's the best part thing. It wasn't even necessarily required by law. you know, the company just like, "Oh, hey, you have to do it." You know, that was the thing. Over here, every single [ __ ] company had to do it because it was mandated by [ __ ] law that you could not take a contract unless you were vaccinated. The companies didn't even have control over this. In the US, it was different. They could have chosen not to, or they could have just like, you know, was a state issue. Anyways, over here was everywhere and everybody. or you could quit and go back to the land to farm root vegetables. But not everybody had that. And you know what's interesting? They made the target group here specifically a very special type of worker because they knew that only those people didn't have an escape. They didn't even target the people who could quit their jobs and go elsewhere. They targeted the people that didn't have a choice. It was deliberate. That was their target population. They had this this this phrasing target population. I was the target population. Everybody here was the target population. Anyone with a contract was the target population. So, no. [ __ ] needs to get way worse. Somebody has a stroke, ask if they were vaccinated. Somebody had like died in a car accident, ask if they're [ __ ] vaccinated. Somebody got shot, ask if they're [ __ ] vaccinated. I don't give a [ __ ] It's going to go way worse, man. Oh, this this fatty edge is amazing. That's going in my bowl. It's going to be rendered into fat later. It's going to be so good. I already got a whole bunch of tallow still left, so that's nice. This stuff is going to be amazing. Oh, yeah. And turbo cancels are a huge thing as well. Major up. Major major.

>> That's freaky.

>> I couldn't agree more, man. I couldn't agree more. You know what happened here in Europe, right? They treated us like and experimented on us like animals. I will never ever forget what they did.

>> Yeah.

>> No one should.

>> They [ __ ] took people, forced them into isolation in a [ __ ] hospital, intubated their asses, and cooked their lungs. They were [ __ ] killing people intentionally.

>> Italy at one point was pretty bad.

>> Yeah. [ __ ] even the Chinese gave gave up on that [ __ ] cuz he knew it was wrong and told Elon about it, which is why he then posted about it and all these weird Redditors and came out saying, "Oh, you don't know. You don't know what you're talking about." It's like, "Yeah, yeah, sure. The guy who makes life support systems for his [ __ ] space capsules that should never fail. That guy doesn't know how life support systems work." Sure. Yeah. Mhm. Good thing, Redditor. Good thing Keep it Keep it up, Keep it up, dude. I got I'm certified in Reddit. Yapology. I I do everything that like the [ __ ] websites run by news agencies that themselves have questionable funding.

>> It's that

>> It's that meme, right? It's like, but unironically, it's like, "Honey, I've discovered something that the entire establishment has missed."

>> Yeah. So again, I get that you're having a little bit of troubles because it kept getting brought up so much, but uh

>> No, I just hate it because like these people are [ __ ]

>> No, they're not.

>> Yes, they are.

>> No, they're not. It's a meme.

>> These people No, they genuinely [ __ ] believe this [ __ ]

>> And

>> what's the problem?

>> It's kind of like that uh Midwood meme. You know, the Midmid Midwit meme.

>> Yeah, exactly. It's the [ __ ] saying it happens and it's the intelligent person that's saying it happens. Again, that's not incorrect and that's not problematic.

>> It pisses me off whenever the stupid person says it

>> because they unironically believe it's true every time

>> because a [ __ ] extra propaganda is good.

>> I do.

>> Well, clearly you weren't as affected by this. So,

>> good.

>> Well, I was, but like

>> I don't ever hear you talk about this the way that we do. So I

>> Yeah, but that

>> disappointment.

>> Yeah, because like I don't think we should like [ __ ] change the entirety of the future.

>> What do you mean?

>> I need you to like I need you to like rethink this entire assessment and like kind of come back to that and realize that what you're saying makes legitimately zero sense.

>> Look, you don't miss much, but this is a big miss right now. It's not a big miss because you guys didn't do [ __ ]

>> Oh, sorry. It's a giant.

>> No one did [ __ ] Now you guys are going to say, "Hey,

>> I think let's just [ __ ] for like the next hundred years and not do anything about it." No one did anything. You guys just [ __ ] got wait. What do you think people were going to try and do? What do you think people were going to try and do? Explain to me what exactly were people going to do?

>> They could just mask comply. They could just mass.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. And that worked out. So that could work out so well. You guys didn't dictatorship.

>> You guys lit all math comps.

>> 99% of the people 99% of the people just [ __ ] complied. They went home.

>> They were like, "Oh, I have a job. Let me take the vaccine." Right? And then they're like, "Oh, I regret it." You do realize a lot more people had zero choice, right?

>> Okay. If you had every single person, if you had every single person

>> Oh, yeah. Sure. So, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. You are contradicting yourself right now. The propaganda was successful in like getting people to believe this [ __ ] And now when we have counter propaganda that makes people

>> disbelieve and makes people go this is bad, then you say you have a problem with it. It does matter. It doesn't matter after the event. It does.

>> It should have happened during the event. It doesn't [ __ ] matter.

>> Should have. Should have doesn't matter. Should have doesn't matter.

>> No, because when I see somebody saying that a car crash or a gunshot was caused by a vaccine, I think, oh, that person's an idiot. And the people who protest vaccines are all like that.

>> Exactly.

>> And it it detracts from the legitimate issue around it. That's my fault.

>> And we won't be able to have serious arguments in the future about the legitimacy of a vaccine mandate because when people oppose it, they're going to say, "Oh, you're one of those retards who thinks every car crash and gunshot is caused by a vaccine."

>> That's my point.

>> That happens with a lot of issues when people jump in on

>> I know so many people that don't [ __ ] believe the [ __ ] you guys are saying specifically because of those people.

>> Yeah, that's

>> You're telling me this is good?

>> It's not. Yeah. extra propaganda is good in my opinion.

>> Uh even even honestly even on a personal level sometimes even I I was against all of that. Sometimes when I hear a person start like talking about the vaccine, I just like um I like it's already like registering in everybody's mind that it's

>> I swear to God every time I see every time I see something

>> right that's very clearly not at all related to the vaccine and the top comment is like the vaccine [ __ ] causes I'm I'm like losing my mind like things used to happen before the COVID vaccine. They like it's not like things just stopped happening or never happened before the vaccine and then suddenly after everything on earth it's now oh I fell on a [ __ ] I fell on a needle

>> and my foot is bleeding. The vaccine caused this. What the [ __ ] is wrong with

>> But it did cause increase the heart attacks, increase the strokes, increase the shingles.

>> We can talk about that. That's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making

>> is that yes, the vaccine has side effects, whether they were intentional or not intentional, right?

>> They were having negative effects. My problem is that now you go online and some dude dies in a car crash and the first [ __ ] question is, was he vaccinated?

>> I love that idea. Everybody has PTSD from this communist thing that was shoved down our throats. I I love the freedom of that.

>> You're making You're making your argument seem [ __ ] to the average person.

>> No, I I I understand that some people would view that as [ __ ] but what is actually [ __ ] is that people don't think that it was [ __ ] to do that.

>> Okay. But you're deal you're dealing with a society. You're living in a society. Whether you like it or not, your bubble of people are not the only people you need to make change. If you're not dealing with the average person and if you're act actively turning away average person because of some ideological reason,

>> you're not going to win in any situation. You're always going to keep losing.

>> You you also have to remember that when CO happened, they were blaming every single death that happened on CO. It's not new.

>> Yes.

>> Um and and no one no one acted like that that was an issue.

>> They were getting paid 30. That's the point as well.

>> Death certificate. Yes, I think

>> like there was legitimately people and I keep telling this [ __ ] case because it's an actual [ __ ] thing that happened. It was a dude who committed suicide with a shotgun. His head was completely clean, gone. Okay, they [ __ ] tested his ass. They put a [ __ ] COVID 19 test up his ass and they were like, "Oh yeah, COVID 19 found." because they overcycled the the the PCR test that the the PCR tests are supposed to run for a set set number of cycles. And if you overextend, then you're going to find everything and everything. You could literally go to Mars right now. Take a [ __ ] soil sample, shove that [ __ ] in the [ __ ] test and find heroin and cocaine. So, we know there has to be a Mars rave. That's right. Aliens are freaks, too. You heard it here first.

>> Of course, it's [ __ ]

>> I I know. I know about those.

>> So, all of this [ __ ] [ __ ] happened. And they would say, "Oh, here CO is found after you overextend overextended the cycles." They're like, "The guy whose body is missing a head. You think he died from that?" Now he died from CO, bro.

>> It's the same [ __ ] It's just an inversion. I like the propaganda. I [ __ ] love it.

>> It's not an inversion because it's way after what happened,

>> bro. It's literally a [ __ ] exact inversion of the exact [ __ ] thing.

>> Matter after the event,

>> way after the Yeah. Way after the thing, everybody knew about it. So then way after the thing, everybody else knew about it. They also did the same thing. This is like losing the [ __ ] war and then talking about actually

>> and then talking about how you could have won the war and saying stupid [ __ ] and being like this is how thing you guys lost the [ __ ] war.

>> The South could have won.

>> Um

>> no, we're not even like you're it's this is a blatant misinterpretation. It's not about having could have won. That's all could have [ __ ] I Who's making the could have argument? No one's here making the could could have argument. You're making the could have argument.

>> I'm saying you guys lost.

>> Everybody could have. Everybody could have risen up, you know, but they didn't because the wrong propaganda was in power.

>> It's helping you now. It's it's not helping you now. It's making you lose in any future event.

>> So, what's been happening is um the way people have been talking about it um just the word uh vaccine and COVID are like there's like a word allergy to it right now. Like people actually tune out the moment they hear these words. So, it's harder to when you have like all these people just using it in dumb context and whatever, it's going to be harder to have like some serious discussion about uh what actually happened, what we can of like the lessons from what happened. like it's going to be really hard to um like there there is some things that really need to be discussed like uh be enforced uh like the forced vaccination part the what I don't think people can discuss that because of what is saying like all these people are bastardizing

>> but what I'm saying is you're what I'm saying is this [ __ ] these like constant questions right the reverse propaganda as you call it, right? It's making even people on your side kind of tune out, right? They're looking at it, right? They agree with you and then whenever they hear any new information about the vaccine, they're just like, "Nope, clearly [ __ ] It's bullshit."

>> It's a little bit also kind of like

>> you don't know like maybe the [ __ ] COVID vaccine is going to make your ch like your child is not going to be able to reproduce, right? your child isn't going to be able to reproduce. That might be a side effect. You're not going to know because you only find that after 40 years in the future, but anytime anyone going to bring it up now, they're going to be like, "Oh, mister, did he die in a car crash? That was clearly co."

>> Exactly. That's what's been happening. So, we you can't have these discussion like for for example, right now, we need to be discussing how to okay, what happened happened. People got vaccinated. We still got to like people both sides had really strong prop like propaganda. the side that accepted the vaccine had really good propaganda. Like even smart people fell for it. So at this point we just like need to assess the damage and find solution for the state we are in right now which is a lot of people have that [ __ ] in their bodies and we need to either like um like do pour more money into studies on the long-term effect and try to like fix it. So we can't have these discussions right now because people are brings keep bringing up the old stuff and the memes and all of that. Also the meme discussing a subject with like mimetics. It's something you do when you're on the losing side of it's like an asymmetric way to fight when you're being like censored when you're when you're in the winning side. you got to like get serious about the and people got used to this like

>> um like discussing these subjects so it just hurts everything.

>> Here's the thing. I I had a good friend who was an orthopedic surgeon. He flew up during COVID and he went me he and I and his wife went to dinner. We're sitting there and he's like, "Hey, you're vaxed, right?" I'm like, "Heck no, I ain't vaxed. I ain't taking that stuff." We got into such a huge argument. We are no longer friends and we have been friends for years and years because of this. That's how much it divided everybody. And so for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. And what you're seeing is the pendulum swung so far one direction that now I think we're seeing it swing equally in the opposite direction.

>> Yeah.

>> See that I agree with. I would say it probably should swing a bunch more, but oh well. It's gonna keep the L. Yeah, but you guys, but what I'm saying is the pendulum swinging is how we got the hyper retards and why we're in a conscious sort of state of retardation.

>> I understand.

>> Fair enough.

>> I agree. [ __ ] isn't [ __ ] isn't going to get better if you're like, "Some [ __ ] [ __ ] happened, so let's go and do some [ __ ] shit." only things going that's just things getting worse and worse and worse every time.

>> Yes. And that's good. That's good. It's about people trusting nothing anymore because what they have done in these couple of years what what it takes now is to burn this system down to the ground until nobody trusts anything anymore and we can rebuild.

>> Nothing's going to get burned into the ground. Everyone's just going to be everyone's just going to be complicit. They're pretending.

>> They're pretending.

>> You got to fight tart with tart.

>> People are pretending. ity, truth, all of this will vanish into nothing.

>> When you tired for too long, you actually become a target.

>> People are pretending like what they're saying and what they're doing and the [ __ ] they say on the internet is actually affecting anything, right? The people that actually affected something were the [ __ ] people in Nepal, right? You guys are people

>> and that was seemed allowed. So that's a defense case entirely.

>> That's actually some people actually making a [ __ ] attempt.

>> Yeah. Like this what I'm saying, man. like they have the potential

>> going to Europe, right, or US and voting for party A, party B, party C that have always been there and they're always going to remain there and thinking something is going to [ __ ] change and then thinking that your life is going to get better now because you're [ __ ] party one. That's just delusional. You're not burning anything to the ground. Yes, you don't trust the media anymore, but you h you're trusting somebody. You're trusting people on the internet. people would trust nothing.

>> I don't think there's many people that don't trust nothing. I think those are in the minority and those are not big enough to make any impact.

>> Yeah,

>> I don't trust I don't trust people with green frogs and weird profile pictures made out of weird ass things I can't properly identify and weird disambiguate [ __ ] images and [ __ ] B,

>> by the way, I'm making a total troll out of myself. Sorry. My bad. The point the point I'm making

>> I like to listen to internet anons. Bro, we're listening to internet anons.

>> The point I'm making the point I'm making about it is if you want to actually change anything, you have to be intelligent about it. Acting like a [ __ ] isn't going to get you anywhere.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

>> Correct. But but the tards who are saying the things are never going anywhere anyway.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But you got to

>> So basically here's the thing. Let's we have the issue

>> circle. You got to filter.

>> No, no. Here's the issue. We have a bunch of tards. We need to weaponize retardation. We've weaponized autism. Now, we got to go after the retardation. We're going to weaponize that next.

>> Look, if even if even 4chan can't figure out how to weaponize the TARS correctly, I don't think anyone else is going to manage to do it. You know, they managed to weaponize the artists properly, but they haven't managed to

>> Yeah, but they never like That's because the tar stuff No, no, the tar stuff is actually weaponized. That's

why they turned them all into a bunch of Nazis.

It's not weaponized properly.

Uh, I disagree. They they were very successful in what they did and basically using them as like the the [ __ ] sheerongs, which was very obvious when we engaged with 4chan on that live space once. were like the [ __ ] people were there having an actual discussion and occasionally somebody else like you know spouted off some [ __ ] we couldn't read out or repeat.

Those are the tards so the basically said, "Get on your knees," and they did it.

Yeah, but every time the tor says something, they just tell them to kill themselves.

Yeah, exactly. That's proper weaponization. See, they did it like program these people to be the throwaways, man. That's the weaponization of it. Now you're you're What your argument is is like, what if you educated that? But do you realize that perhaps maybe educate the reason why they?

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. The only way to weaponize it is to point them in a direction, let him fire.

I'm saying you need to kind of keep them out of your circle.

Maybe.

[ __ ] Sorry.

No way. Yeah. Um, even if you go, if you go to their com, if you go to if you go to someone's comment section, if you say something about, I don't know, the COVID vaccine, right? And even if it's true, right? If you go to the comment section and it's just a bunch of retards talking about [ __ ] that's not true and you have a brain and you realize this shit's not true, it's going to make the person that's making the argument way less credible because all the people in the comment are [ __ ].

Okay, it's time for me to Time for me to bring my vibe to a function. So, I gotta go.

Okay, got you.

Yeah.

See you, buddy.

See you.

I love the little narrative engineering that we did of like bringing the vibe to a function and I like had to analyze everybody's vibe. I think it did tremendously well.

Yeah.

That moment you understand everybody else's vibe is better than they understand their own.

I just really hate retards, man. Damn.

And that we agree.

Hey, look, at least there's some at least there's some progress. Like 5 years ago, if you said that [ __ ] they would have suspended you right now.

It's not really progress. It's not really progress. It's exactly what happened with CO, right? With CO, they shut down the entire world, right? They took away all your rights. Then they gave you back some of your rights. Now they're like, "Oh, look, you guys won, right? We gave you back your rights." This is the exactly the same thing. They're like, "Hey, five years ago, you would have been suspended. Oh, we took your right away, but we just gave them back. Some of them, not all of them, but some of them. The internet's way worse than it was in the '9s or the early 2000s, but it's better than it was 5 years ago."

We're going to return Well, we're going to return to that [ __ ] as well because that's why I'm saying that the internet's going to decrease 20% over the next 5 years. I I'm I'm going to say like on these platforms, you're going to notice a heavy impact. A lot of people are going to complain about it. They don't know how to solve it. It's going to be that 20% of the internet will disappear. I'm fairly certain of that. There will be many reasons for that. First of all, because people want to unplug. Second of all,

I highly doubt that.

I mean,

and second of all,

people who have intelligence are going to kind of use their own infrastructure kind of to connect to the internet and leave behind the unchettified platform. So, what you're familiar with as the internet will kind of

I mean, there's half disappear. There's half a billion Indians right now that don't have internet access and they're probably going to have internet access in the next 10 years.

70% of Indian

You do realize every you do realize that every single algorithm will detect whatever attempt of uniformity that is and [ __ ] throw it out of the system. So the statistics will actually remain just as I predicted and even increase the downfall of certain platforms.

You know that right?

I mean you're saying the internet's going to decrease 20%.

Yes. All right.

The presence on these initified platforms, any platform actually. And there's going to be like this kind of insiders club which is very difficult to get into.

Mhm. But we're not talking about the

because the technology is harsh.

We're not talking about the insiders club. We're talking about the general internet.

Wait.

Oh, the general internet. It's just going to be people being fed up of it.

This isn't the insiders club.

No.

Well, it's about to be. We're We're still on We're still on a website like we're still on one of the more easily accessible websites. I've I've taken strides to make it harder to access me and I use money as the way to do it because technology is clearly not good enough for that yet. So yeah, but the insiders club can be like birthed out of that. We will we will help you. We will help you understand if there's any like

money is a great like um money is a

money is an excellent filter. I [ __ ] love it so much. It's amazing.

It's not an excellent filter, but it's the easiest filter, right? It's an excellent filter, I think, because the amount of noise that you reduce is like 90%. So, I would consider that excellent over 40% success rate based off of tests.

What I'm talking about with it is um like you're also leaving out a lot of people that might have something to contribute with the money, right? So, it's filtering people out that it shouldn't, right? But it in terms of filtering out unnecessary noise, it's the best. Uh but the pro the downside is you're filtering out a lot of people that might actually have some

good things to say.

Well, I mean that's why like with the Discord server we have like a general chat which is easily to access like most of the server like 90% of the server is accessible even to people who don't pay a single [ __ ] scent. Like that's a thing and then you know you can you can show yourself as a productive person and then maybe be a content creator and you get access that way. But like or you could just be the advanced member which is then how you get access to the voice channel because I need to like keep my time protected effectively and so that's what I do.

Mhm.

And so I think it's it's worked out quite well. I will say like the highest signal conversations kind of come out of like those people who are all advanced members at the Discord server. It's pretty good. Like they're clearly the best. It's like it's awesome. It's like the the best group of people really. Like you're you're truly exceptional. you kind you kind of see that as well in real life, right? like um generally like um a good example of this is like when um on the app store versus the Android store like there I I saw a guy posting that uh he saw uh he has an app uh both on Android and iOS and the and uh and the iOS rating is like um 4.9 and the Android rating is like a 2.3, right? Because the app isn't free, it's paid, right? Because it's like u they're using like some very expensive system. So they obviously everyone that's using it needs to pay, right? But they're getting like 2.3 stars because all these Indian people are like [ __ ] downloading the app and they get pissed off that it's paid, right? So they just leave a negative review.

Is are you trying to tell me that they are humanos attack? No, I'm making a point that money is

there a human doss attack.

Maybe. But

the point I was trying to make is the fact that the money is actually keeping out a lot of these [ __ ] that leave negative reviews because it's paid.

Very much so. Very much so. How much of a leech do you have to be to be like, I deserve everything on the internet for free?

Exactly. Exactly. There's a very specific type of entitlement. I'm like, dude, you you clearly don't have a frame of reference for value. That is why you believe all everything should be for free because you don't see the value in the things that exist. So, you make it everybody else's problem. This person says spicy spaces.

Give only fans a run for the money. I vote out starts one. I will be the first follower.

What the [ __ ]

Wow. See, I'm going to see I'm I'm considering something. I'm going to start an only fans page, and all I'm going to post about is fans and electric motors that run them. If you're a really good

That's what's

If you're really good, I'll promote you to an air conditioner.

Exactly.

I uh I'm starting an Only Vans where I'm gonna dress up like people's dads and tell them how to fix things around their house and start a fire and [ __ ]

Tell them I'm proud.

What's that? What's that YouTube channel?

It's actually not that bad to be honest. Holy [ __ ]

There's actually a YouTube channel that kind of does that. Uh how to fix stuff or It's like this guy that didn't have a dad, right? It's this guy that didn't have a dad. And so his he does like YouTube videos about things that like your dad should have taught you. And it's like all these people that uh don't have dads or like their dad was didn't teach them anything. Uh they go into the comment section and they're like, "Thank you for like filling the role of my dad and he has like I think he has like seven million subscribers or something."

It's called It's called Dad Hadua.

Yeah. Yeah. That was That's the one. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's the one. But he doesn't tell people that that he's proud of them and that's where my niche is.

I'm going to change one thing and that one thing changes everything.

Nice.

Let's see how many.

Yeah, I'm just going to do more meme voiceovers. Like good

memes. He has 5.4 4 million subscribers. How to tie a tie. How to shave your face correctly. I Oh, no. He does do videos where he's like, "I'm proud of you.

Damn, you're fucked. Does does he do videos where he eats an entire rotisserie chicken in his car with his hands?

What? Seriously? Damn.

It's been It's been done before.

Interesting.

No, I I I made a meme about that a couple days ago and I I just I think it's [ __ ] hilarious, so I keep making memes about it. Yo yo Preston, what's up man?

What's up man? How are you?

Pretty good. Pretty good. Want to elaborate on any of the uh interesting things that have been happening?

Yeah. So,

you know, sticking it to the system.

I mean, I'm not sticking to the system. I'm just telling the English to go [ __ ] themselves. Um like there's no there's no system, right? So,

on a scale of 1 to 10, how American are you? Yeah. I mean, I'm not I'm actually not that American. I just like I'm just it makes me so mad. So, anyway, for those of you who don't know me, I'm Preston. I'm I'm just a boring boring old lawyer uh who accidentally, you know, found himself on the wrong part of town one day and then discovered that a bunch of thug countries were trying to beat up 4chan. And so I got in the middle of it and you know um you know I got in one little fight and my mom got scared and she said you're going to bring a federal lawsuit against Ofcom in DC. Now I I represent 4chan in a lawsuit against uh the UK's internet regulator which is called Ofcom. We there's been a lot of back and forth over the last six months about it sort of they've threatened to find 4chan. They've done this. They've done that. The timeline is they said to 4chan in June, we're going to arrest you. we're going to find you. We're going to do this. 4chan ignored them for two months. Uh then they said, "Okay, we've got a provisional fine notice and they published that and said, we're going to find you 20,000."

What they were trying to do was Yeah. Go ahead.

Can I ask you a question? Why didn't you send a letter similar to the one that the pirate base sent? You know the letter on TalkM?

I did. I did.

Yeah, though.

I did. I did. So, I I did Adrien, I mean, I can see who's who wants the So, I can actually send you the um I'll send you the X article. Okay.

the pirate bay one was like uh it is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you should go [ __ ] yourself.

Well, so I'll get the uh

that [ __ ] was so based.

Hold on, let me get the article for you here. So, here we go. So, here's the X article and where here. So, I'll send this to you.

Okay.

Um and here we go. And there's a link there to my personal website at this link. So, so, but that's we'll get to that in a second. So, basically in June, Ofcom said, "We're gonna arrest you. We're in jail." The objective of this exercise was to scare the crap out of every American company in the world being like, "We're Offcom. We're serious. We're going to [ __ ] we're going to find you in jail or whatever." Warchan [ __ ] ignores him. They hire me, right? I'm pro bono, right? So, they reach out to me. I take on the case. And we sit around. We say, "You know what? Let's let them keep talking, right? Let's let them just keep running their [ __ ] mouths and see what they do." And so they came out with this provisional fine notice and I know I've been in spaces talking about this for the last couple weeks. So now now we have a material update. So so they sent the provisional fine notice. We said we're going to sue you, right? And a bunch of English lawyers. There was some [ __ ] Katton who was like oh no, you need to treat this seriously. He wrote an article like throwing shade at my law firm after I said we're going to sue Alcom. And it was titled a burn and storm is brewing. Do not ignore the online safety acts international reach. He's like you [ __ ] Like okay watch this. So he filed a lawsuit, right? He filed a lawsuit and then the same partner at the same law firm goes, "Oh, well, he filed a lawsuit. This means he's serious. He's actually serious. He means to fight off." That was never really the game, right? Obviously, we bring lawsuits, but like the lawsuit is only part of the equation, right? A lawsuit because one lawsuit does not settle things that need to be settled and that get repeated all the time. And one lawsuit against one regulator in one country does not settle the the 193 countries that are not the United States, which we need to wreck. But the lawsuit was designed to needle the ever living [ __ ] out of the English. We ref we referenced you Elon actually responded to it with a fire emoji which like was absolutely the because Toby Luca posted the front page you know actually I might I might read the front page of the lawsuit. Shall I do that Adrian? Is that a good idea?

Um so

yeah go for it man. Go for it.

By by the way your microphone seems a little distant.

Is it? How about now?

Maybe Bluetooth or something.

How about now?

What What are you using to talk to us right now? Using a phone or using a computer.

How about now?

Oh, much better. Infinitely better.

Yeah. Sorry. You know, I figured out what it was. I was wondering what was wrong with my mic. Said I was plugged into my external monitor.

That's what I was figured. I was like, "Dude, this is like this is coming from some commuters. This is like computer microphone."

All right. All right. So, so

excellent.

So, okay. Here we are. I'm back. So, um, so I'll read you the first page of the lawsuit. So, Toby L. I mean, actually, I can just pull open I have a complaint right here. Complaint. One second. Here we go. So, the first page of the lawsuit reads as follows. Plaintiffs. So, it was 4chan and Kiwi Farms were the uh with plaintiffs. Kiwi Farms, of course, goes by the name Lolcow LLC. Um, and so that was that's possibly the best named client I will I will ever represent. Uh, plaintiffs 4chan community support and local LLC through their undersigned council, legends say. Paragraph one. Um, the internet is a global system of communication between computer servers located in data centers around the world. Despite the internet's global reach, it is more or less universally acknowledged that the internet is predominantly an American innovation built by American citizens, residents, and companies, and that the United States has the largest and most thriving technology sector of any G7 member state. So, you can understand, right? We're still we're coming out right out the gate just being like, Europe, you suck. Um so foreign governments partic paragraph two particularly those in Europe which have not managed to build technology sectors of their own have for the past half decade or more sought to control the American internet and hobble American competitiveness through a range of legislative and non-legislative initiatives. Paragraph three and this is the last paragraph I'll read. So these foreign governments have threatened American and other non-European entrepreneurs with a wide range of coercive threats, including fines, arrests, and imprisonment for engaging in conduct which is perfectly lawful in the territories where their websites are based, including in the United States. See, for example, the arrest of Russian internet entrepreneur Paval Durov, founder of Telegram Messenger by French authorities in 2024, or the opening of a criminal file by US social media company or against US social media company. a Texas.

By the way, did I mention um Rumble took the French government to court and they won.

Yeah. But like here's so here's the thing, right? So Rumble's awesome and they they took the French government to court and they won. They took Alexander Deas to court in Florida together with Trump Media and Technology Group and they won, right? So this 4chan thing, we needled the [ __ ] out of them with this lawsuit. Like that was three paragraphs that goes on being like England sucks, censorship sucks, America's amazing. that goes on for 25 pages, right? So, we just like we just went went to town with it. And one of the reasons, of course, is to assert your client's legitimate claims and defenses as we did. Everything in it was factual and accurate. It was just, you know, phrased in a particularly colorful way. We, I believe, we referred to the Declaration of Independence more than once. Um, and you know, all that jazz. But it was designed to very specifically needle the you know the people who run offcom and the people in Whiteall in the parliamentary labor party and basically to provoke them into doing something very very dumb which they did because they sent on Monday they did a huge press blitz um because they said we're enforcing because they had to basically save face right they had to they had to be after 4chan turned around and said no we will not obey you we will not pay your fines America's great and that's where we are so we're not going to follow your rules um offcom was the only thing they could do, right? The only option they had was to come down as hard as they could and they did. And they did it in writing. And what they did specifically was they alleged, right? So in addition to all the crazy threats that they've been making, which they're entitled to make under English law, they said the First Amendment does not protect you from us. American law doesn't protect you from us. UK law applies to American conduct on American servers, on American soil. And right, in addition to that, we're going to plead sovereign immunity if you sue us. So basically, as an American, you aren't entitled to the protection of American law. You aren't entitled. You have no civil rights. You have no constitutional rights. Your law is completely irrelevant for for you, considering you live in the United States. But the second you drag us to the United States, we're going to start having conversations about American law. Um, and so because we're going to invoke sovereign immunity, which exists under the US Sovereign Immunities Act, or various other jurisdictional defenses, which of course they are perfectly entitled to do. But the purpose of this, right, was to illustrate to guys like, I've been trying to get the attention of the US federal government on this issue for 10 months without success, right? Nobody will [ __ ] listen. They do not understand the nature of the problem, the severity of the problem or how to fix it because they're just kind they're doing it for hearings, they're doing it for likes, they're doing it for whatever else. And what we did is we got that particular admission from Ofcom that they want to destroy the First Amendment andor just don't have any respect for it. We got it in writing and then on Thursday night 11 p.m. we I did a an interview with Mike Shelonberger earlier in the week, did an interview with Mark Sidwell in London earlier in the week and we broke cover and we said, "Okay, here's the deal." Offcom was triumphing, you know, running around triumphantly, you know, trumpeting their victory over 4chan by issuing this fine notice. But the purpose, right, that we were up to was to draw them out. And we said, I said this on spaces word for word three weeks ago. I didn't say exactly what we were looking to do. I said, you know, but you you know, the purpose of this is to flush the other side out. You make them show up. Well, they showed up. And when they showed up, they made the mistake of telling the entire world what they actually think, which is that the First Amendment is an irrelevancy. And in my opinion, that is sufficiently politically damaging of an admission for the United Kingdom to make, particularly when Kier Starmer said that he wasn't going to target Americans uh with censorship laws. uh that we published every document that Ofcom has sent 4chan, including all of the correspondents. So, Offcom sent my client um 40 a 40page letter the other day. Um that was their fine notice. It was 40 pages in long. There was 40 pages in length. There was an associated email. Uh and if you click through, you can see all of the documentation there. It had also attachments that were two or three attachments which are 30 pages in length. So, Offcom sent, you know, basically, you know, 110 pages of correspondence. Um, and I responded as follows. This is the 100% complete response that I replied to to Offcom with. We I've sent them exactly two emails in this matter. Uh, and this is the second. Uh, sir, thank you for the several dozen pages of in America legally void correspondence. It will make excellent bedding for my pet hamster. My client reserves all rights. And that's it. Because if someone's not listening to you, you don't talk to them, right? You don't argue with them. If they're not seriously, we're not going to treat them seriously either.

Um, and so where we are is that I released the offcom files last night. I'm hoping that I mean I'm hoping to get eyeballs on it. I pinged it to Snowden, hoped he'd retweet it. But essentially, it's it's an outrageous if you if you have ever got any experience running an internet company and you look at the [ __ ] that they're going through, the confidentiality undertakings, right? They say, "Well, you need to provide us with all of your information about how your company runs, all of your internal documents, you know, information about your qualifying worldwide revenue. If the information is confidential, you know, you have to you can label it confidential, but we're not obliged to keep it confidential, and we can share it with other regulators and other people. And oh, by the way, you don't benefit from the GDPR either." And it's just it's it's 200 pages of just the most outrageous right um outrageous demands for where 4chan is currently running its business in the United States as a as a small company right there's no paperwork that it needs to file anywhere for its business. So, what I'm hoping is that by seeing these documents uh and what's in them, general counsels or uh generals council or general counsels um no it's general counsels across the tech industry. Well, because it's it's attorneys general, right? It's not attorney generals. Um, so if you're using the plural um so so so because they're not generals, they're attorneys. Um, so but anyway, I'm hoping that basically GC's and Silicon Valley legal departments and if my site analytics or are anything to go by, this has already happened. Um, I'm hoping they're ingesting these documents, reviewing these documents because they haven't seen what an enforcement process from Ofcom looks like, they probably just prepared a report of some kind, and then they're waiting until the eye of Sauron passes on them. I'm hoping that they see that this stuff is unbelievable, and it's going to make running an internet company as complicated as running a bank. I hope our politicians can see that this stuff is going to make running an internet company as complicated as running a bank. Guys like Jim Jordan, guys like Eric Schmidt, guys like JD Vance, guys like the president of the United States, they've had a lot of conversations with the British government about this stuff. And I'm hoping they see the British government lied to us, right, about what they're doing and what their intentions are and what respect they have for the First Amendment. I've been against the British government on this ship for five years. I know they don't. So basically Kier Starmer and the Labor Party blew a lot of smoke up the president's ass about free speech in you know, in this in the United Kingdom which doesn't exist and their propensity and desire to censor Americans and their opinions about the first amendment and whether their law applies here. So, you know, again, doing this completely alone nights and weekends. Um, you know, waiting and hoping, right, that we get someone somewhere, right, to take this seriously. Um, and doing my best on my own with Ron Coleman, my co-consel, you know, to try to, you know, wage a media war basically with my laptop and, uh, you know, my laptop and my dog. Like, that's that's all I have. Um, so that's what we're doing. That's what we've been up to. I think that the I think that, you know, I think things are going to move into a new phase now that we've offcom's just going to ignore it. They're going to keep pressing ahead. Um, we'll see whether they answer the lawsuit. They haven't done so yet. They've reserved their rights. Um, but for me, this is never really the objective here is to get Congress off its ass. Oh, yes. And we also published I published a draft law because I've been doing this for so long. I know how to fix it. Uh, and Congress needs to catch up. But essentially, I published a draft law called the Granite Act, uh, which would impose uh $10 million per occurrence penalties for anyone who tries to censor any foreign government or person who works for a foreign government or instrumentality who tries to censor an American citizen. And you may ask, you know, why why should an American law that protects our speech be any more effective on them than a foreign law which tries to censor us in America? The answer to that is that foreign countries, most of them except for basically China and Russia and Iran, uh, cannot survive without access to the US banking system, which means that they hold significant quantities of assets at New York banks in order to support their currencies and specifically dollar exchange. The United Kingdom, for example, has 47 billion dollars of assets held in North American banks. Um, and so if you pass a law which says that if you censor an American, it's a $10 million per occurrence penalty. uh and oh by the way you wave your sovereign immunity when you do. Um those countries aren't judgment proof here, right? We have we have assets in our banks that can be frozen and aortioned and and handed out to American citizens. Uh whereas the reverse is not necessarily true. We don't have huge numbers of American federal, you know, American assets in British banks and things like that. So um and America isn't running around trying to censor Britain's, right? They're running around trying to censor us uh with official power. And you know, and it looks really bad that a country that's is using sovereign power to bully a tiny company, right? And then the minute the company says, "Hey, America, we need help. Could our courts help?" They turn around and say, "Oh, yeah. We're going to use sovereign immunity. [ __ ] you." So, yeah. So, we've now basically exposed the entire record in this matter for the public to see. It is being reviewed. It is being published. Um, we could use retweets. So, I don't know if the article is posted at the top of the conversation uh here, but if you know, if anyone feels like retweeting it, that'd be great. But if not, that's also great. Um, yeah, so that's that's where we are. Still fighting, still largely alone, still begging the federal government to get involved. They're still not calling me back. Um, and yeah, that's that's the situation. Uh when you say more eyeballs on it, um is it more um are we talking like companies or

humans, Americans? Ordinary people, ordinary people need to know

that the United Kingdom thinks that the First Amendment is [ __ ] Um and it needs to be a story. So, you know, we've got it in a couple of the niche outlets so far. Um, but you know, it's you never know what the tipping point is going to be that's going to get the federal government involved. I I also sent the documentation to a number of the leading uh, you know, I sent it to the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression Fire. Uh, I sent it to Net Choice as well. They're the big coalition of uh, US tech companies because I wanted to show I want like, you know, I'm not a huge fan of like Brian Jesy and Airbnb or whatever else or Uber or whoever else is a member of that consortium, right? I don't know anything about their businesses. They haven't really said a whole lot about free speech. But like from a regulatory perspective, this [ __ ] is a nightmare. And to the extent that we can, it's a nightmare from a regulatory perspective. But ultimately, it's regulation which pertains to the exercise of a core right in the United States. So regardless of whether you think free speech, you know, is a big important issue or not, um I think for large corporations, now is the time if they want to stop this. We have a piece of correspondence that was sent by Ofcom which says we don't believe the first amendment exists and not yeah fine we should we should stop it for that reason alone but if not for that reason then we should stop it because it's going to be a massive regulatory imposition on your business

and you can pick up the flag of free speech and wave that that you know that that's a vote winner right any day of the week you run around and say free speech and there will be a related collateral benefit uh that it'll also reduce the amount of regulatory overhead on your business. So, yeah, I think I think we have a good I think we now have the documentary record where we can present to Congress, listen, this is this is every bit as bad as the worst warnings, right, have described it. Um, you can they can read the correspondence. I mean, the first letter from, you know, from June 16th, if you look at it, there's a gray box. It says, so the first, "Dear sir, madam, this is a legal notice requiring information under section 100 of the online safety act." Then in a gray box, you should read this request in full. If you do not comply with this request, you may receive a significant financial penalty and/or be committing a criminal offense. Given the seriousness of the potential consequences, you may want to seek your own independent legal advice. I mean, this is an email. This is a letter. It's of no binding force in the United States. It's not accompanied by or authorized by a judicial warrant. It requires a company to incriminate itself for constitutional constitutionally protected speech and conduct. And in addition to that, the section 100 notice, right? What Ofcom was asking 4chan for was a report on how 4chan intended to censor its users, American citizens, uh, and how it intended to censor itself, which is unconstitutional under the first amendment. So even in the second paragraph of this of the first material communication between this, you know, this this communications regulator, right? I I have impolite language I'm going to use, but we'll refrain. this communications regulator and my client. The first thing out the bat is if you exercise your constitutional rights, you're going to jail. So don't think of flying through Heathrow. And like enough is enough. We have fought so many wars with Europe. War after war after war after war. We have won every single one of them by a very significant margin. Right? If you look at the scoreboard at the end of it, America wins. And the fact is like we don't have to put up with this [ __ ] Like I'm tired of it. My clients are tired of it. I think the big tech companies are sitting on the sidelines. I think they're kind of tired of it too. But like I've been, you know, you it's the puzzle here, right, has been trying to figure out, you know, what exactly can we say? What exactly can we show uh in order to demonstrate to the American, you know, government apparatus just how bad this is. And these letters have all been sent to the government at various times. but they've been sent in at staffer level, low down, you know, for this representative or that that representative or this, you know, low-level staffer in the White House. Well, now we blasted them out to the entire planet. Everyone's going to be talking about it. Judging from my site analytics, a lot of people, particularly in the professional classes, lawyers, um, you know, academics, you know, NGO types, think tankers, that sort of thing. Now, everybody's got the same, everybody's got the same him sheet, right? And so the question is now that everyone has the same hymsh sheet, are we all going to start, you know, singing the same song or are we going to have disagreements about how it works? And the the hope is that by publishing these documents, uh we can we can really begin to organize uh serious political resistance uh to European worldwide censorship and hopefully that Congress can start to coales around a solution. At the moment the solution is like oh yeah well the state department will issue sanctions. Well, the State Department isn't issuing sanctions because every time the State Department issues a sanction, that has major political consequences,

you know, for the country in question. So, they're it's it's very difficult for them to do that to the UK, right, which is not a natural enemy of the United States. Um, but if Congress does something as we proposed, then it's like, listen, UK, it's your call. Do you want to lo, do you want to get your assets seized? Well, okay. If you want to do that, keep sending those notices to censor Americans. The White House and the State Department can say, listen, sorry, it's the law. Law's the law. is kind of like law is law on your side. Um, you know law is law on our side now and um yeah so that it's yeah, as you can tell I feel very passionate about this issue. So So I'm going to like uh so because you know you want more eyeballs on this. I'm going to write up a nice little post. What do you think of this? The United Kingdom's blatant disregard for American sovereignty is deeply concerning. In this article, you can see how the UK is attempting to disregard the rights of citizens in countries that the UK doesn't have jurisdiction over, which is of international concern. What do you think of that? Does that sound good? Is that accurate?

Does it fit in one tweet?

Yes.

Fire. Sounds great.

Yeah. All right. Here we go. Everybody, make sure to go like this. You want eyeballs? Here's how we're going to do it.

I'm going to put it up.

Have you spoken to anyone at Americans for Prosperity yet?

No, I haven't. I've spoken to people I've spoken to fire and net choice. I've had I've had correspondence.

But yeah, make sure to go make sure to go like that post because then it's going to be like, you know, goes further. So, if you want eyeballs, there you go. This is gonna this is going to do it.

Thank you, Adrian. I really appreciate it.

So, the Americans for Prosperity is like one of the biggest pro- first Amendment spenders in in the United States. Um, so they'd be a good person to to get connected with. I I need to check some stuff, but I'll see if I can put you in touch with someone.

Awesome. Yeah. Know, it's Do we follow each other? What do we do? Yeah. So, no, just if if you know anybody, just put them in touch with me and um you know, and we'll you know, I'll I'll give them I don't care if it's two in the morning on a Sunday, I'll get on the phone. Um fortunately, I suspect they're on Eastern time given that given what they do. So, um, but yeah, I mean, that's that's the that's the story is that right now the fight seems to be and I've had conversations with, um, you know, household some household names that I think everyone in this room would know, but I'm not going to name them in order to preserve their confidentiality. Um, and and essentially, you know, the report is, right, the word is the big boys are sitting this one out and seeing how it goes, right? My position is if the big boys got involved and we managed to get momentum in Congress for a law, which you know, I proposed a law. It's called the Granite Act. It it would, you know, this is the thing with waving sovereign immunity, create a civil cause of action. If we could do that, if we could get someone right in Congress to move something like that, more professionally drafted than the version that I provided, um forward, and if Congress enacted that, I think that this problem would be over in a day. Like literally, I think it would be over instantaneously. and for every company of every size, right? You just create a civil cause of action. The the way that we calculated the damages uh in the the version I just published was that you the the civil claim the damages are either triple actual damages a or b um the greater of $10 million per occurrence or the size of the threatened fine as of the date of the fine. So the Europeans running around if they went and threatened Google and said, "Hey, we want we're going to find you 10% of your global revenue uh or or you know whatever it is 18 million pounds, whichever is greater, Google could bring a $200 billion action if federal action in the United States and seize uh British assets custody to American banks." So like basically what we do is we create a poison pill. So if any of these countries attempt to censor an American company then their US assets are forfeit um under our rules. And this is I mean this is what it will take right because at the moment we've seen from the way that this particular offcom letter that we've published is framed they will deny us the protections of American law when it suits them and they will avail themselves of the protections of American law also when it suits them. Um and that's not a fair position. And as long as that is permitted to continue then the harassment of American companies will continue. But ultimately the only defense they have to us is a defense that we have given them the US foreign sovereign immunities act which says that sub except for certain specified exceptions which we've argued in our complaint. Um foreign sovereigns are generally speaking immune from suit in the United States. Well foreign sovereigns are doing bad things in the United States and so we need to do bad things to foreign sovereigns or be able to do bad things to foreign sovereigns if we're going to fight back. And you know, I honestly have to thank the other side because we would not have had, you know, I would not have been able to say this in public if they hadn't brought it up, right? Because I was sitting there keeping my mouth shut waiting for them to respond with their complaint, which is still due in a month. Uh, and you know, it's due to be filed in the month, November 25th. Um, so, you know, I had to sit and keep my mouth shut. But now they decided to break cover first. Great. Boom. Campaign begins. We know what it's all about. We know what the game is. we know how to fix it. Um, and you know, it was it it was quite transparently, you know, I can say it now, it was a trap that we laid for them and they walked right into it. Um, and so that's a lesson for those of us thinking about tactics, right? Sometimes, you know, you can find, you know, sometimes a lawsuit is not just a lawsuit. Um, sometimes, you know, a communication is not just a communication and you can lure people. Uh, if they're not if they're not I fully admit I I knew they were going to do this because I'm also qualified in England and so I knew what the legal theory was that informs their decision, which is that they have unlimited power. What if Parliament declares and decrees that the moon needs to be made of cheese, then the moon needs to be made of cheese. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the order is. It doesn't matter whether it's retroactive. there is no constitutional limitation on what their parliament can order. And so they came back and they told us there's no constitutional limitation on what our parliament can order. Okay. Well, I I agree. That's completely right. But you know what? It's not going to fly very well uh in DC. Um so yeah, that's that was the strategy. It worked. Uh it accomplished what I needed to accomplish. But at this point, you know, the uh you know, there's only so many times I can you know, write back snarky emails about hamsters and having it be effective. soon, one day, really, really soon, we need to have bigger, we need to have more firepower, which means either larger companies need to come in off the sidelines. They need to start talking with their, you know, trade organizations like net choice groups like FIRE. They need to start either proposing legislation um or, you know, lobbying for legislation to fix this. And they need to do so in the open. They need to talk to the people who are responsible uh here like Jim Jordan or guys like Eric Schmidt who is a pro- free speech senator in the Senate and they need to say listen you know we're we're in fully in support of this and I don't get the feeling that a lot of those conversations are happening yet because I think that some of the big boys are afraid that if they do that um they will you know they will provoke the eye of Europe. Um but you know you don't have to be afraid of Europe. We can we can beat him here on American soil. We can always we can sit there. we can take unlimited numbers of hits. They can send as many damn letters as they want to us and there's not a whole lot they can do about it. Uh and we can sit there and just take the hits again and again and again. But ultimately, if that's the situation, what will eventually happen is larger companies, companies with European operations, various other

Things, uh, will they'll whittle it away at it inch by inch by inch. And that's how you get rid of free speech, right? One inch at a time, one little concession at a time.

But if we can turn around and say, "No, we're going to create something and hit back." Right? I mean, you also have to kind of pass a law that actually makes those platforms one like in forces them to kind of allow free speech anyway in the US. I mean, a lot of them don't even follow free speech in the US.

>> No, sorry. What? A lot of the companies you mean don't follow speech in the US? Sorry, I was just checking my DMs.

>> Yeah, free speech. A lot of companies don't follow free speech in the US either.

>> Yeah, but >> they're like we're a private company, right? But they're getting government money. Yeah, but but here's the thing, like it's not even about like have having a having a free speech moderation policy, right? What it's about is having the UK government up your ass and basically trying to shake you down every time you've got something posted that they don't like and charging you a fee in order to access their markets.

>> I mean, we fought these wars and we won these wars, right, because we wanted to protect the American way of life.

>> Um, and the American way of life is under threat. And the American way of life means you don't have to answer to to foreigners who don't like what you have to say or what your users have to say, right? And that is that was the general operating principle of the internet, you know, for until 20 basically 2020, right? 2020, 2021 until when the Europeans and the Brits got the big idea that they were going to start regulating us. Sorry. Like we the global order revolves around us and like I love Europe. I'm a dual national with a I have an Italian passport and a US passport. you know, I spent half my life in Europe. So, I'm not some like jingoistic, you know, American, right, who just runs around and has a very narrow perspective on, you know, America's role in the world. But the reality is the global order, you know, the global liberal order of the West revolves around the United States. And the the most sacred and fundamental rule of the United States is the First Amendment. And the Europeans have decided for whatever reason that they want to mess around with it. And like we we could end this in a day, right, with with like literally 500 words of legislation by deputizing every trial lawyer in the United States to enforce American free speech rights when an inbound foreign censorship request crosses our shoreline, right? It's we we could end this in we could end this in a week.

>> Um it's just that Congress I'm just Congress doesn't, you know, Congress doesn't know me. I'm just some guy. I am a solo practitioner in Connecticut who they've never heard of before and you know has only been around for the last 60 days. Um but you know it's I'm waiting for some we I I am taking I I think I've taken it almost as far as I can go um outside of the confines of my individual case. Um and to the extent that I haven't right I'm going to take on if they attempt this strategy I I suspect they'll probably attempt a different strategy next. I think their next strategy will be doing what historically the Europeans have done in competition contexts which is that they try to extract fines from larger companies by bringing them through the fine process in order to show that they're credible because with 4chan right we've show we're respond they're sending us demands and we're responding by talking about hamsters right like we're we're embarrassing them and that is a very deliberate strategy right we're basically we are attempting to delegitimize the regime and say listen it is not enforceable in the United States and we are so confident that it's not enforceable that we are not even going to treat the inbound request uh with the seriousness that uh that at least the Europeans think it deserves and Brazil wrote actually on Monday they sent a the same day that the UK sent their their fine notice Brazil sent one too and we responded in written entirely in Portuguese they didn't even bother to translate it so I simply responded and said hey Brazil thanks so much for this um you know you may you may not have noticed but the paper line of demarcation didn't make landfall in the North Atlantic. So, you're going to need to use a treaty for that. K. Thanks. Bye.

>> Um, so like we're we're not going to treat these these inbound notices with any respect. Um, we're going to keep fighting. Um, I think it's pretty good for business. You know, you know, law firm's nice and busy. Um, so which is good, but um, you know, I on the other hand, like it's not about that, right? This is about winning.

>> And the way that we win now is that we've got the docs out there.

>> We need people to talk about them. We need people to read them. I need tech people to read these documents. Tech people who are used to doing business in the United States to read these documents and make a decision, right, that this is not the way they want to live. And then I need to call them to call their congressman and I need them to call, you know, if they know the president, if they know JD Vance, whoever it is, right? We need to get this message out that, you know, we have been through now the entire cycle with one company. 4chan has been through the entire online safety act, you know, demand and refusal cycle. And if you read the documents as an American, it's horrifying. It's it's absolutely horrifying the way that they're going about it. Making demands for confidential information without a warrant, without suspicion that a crime has been committed, threatening to throw people in prison, you know, if they don't answer questions, threatening to throw people in prison if they don't explain their editorial decisions, which are constitutionally protected.

>> Um, it it's it's I I look at it and honestly I'm ashamed to be an English qualified lawyer.

>> Um, I I'm ashamed that I ever that I'm I'm ashamed that I ever lived there. I'm ashamed that I ever tolerated um or even trained in a legal, you know, legal system that wound up in this place. Um, which is just so it's so horrible. It's it's horrifying. So, but I'm glad that I have that training because I can use that training to defend Americans. Um, and that's that's that's exactly what I'm gonna do. So,

>> go ahead. Sorry.

>> Sorry. Uh, this is the perfect time to actually um deal with this problem and bulletproof uh for the future to avoid things like this happening. Also, like if if you're like a first amendment, this like issue would speak to a huge like a wide range of people. people who care about free speech, but also like on a business perspective, if American companies that constitute like a huge part of the American GDP are being attacked like that or can be attacked like that,

>> it should be like a an issue that is

>> Yeah. I mean, the other thing is AI, right? So like AI is right around the corner.

>> and one thing I I represent Gab as well and Gab had um they released an AI

>> um they released an AI a while back uh called Arya and Arya and their AI system Gab is their their emphasis is that they're a free speech um they're a free speech social network right so they allow everything and I I drafted their terms and conditions I've worked with them for a while um you know Andrew Torba the CEO is a friend of mine And the the the AI that they came out with was designed to match any specification that the user set, right? So it's like, listen, if as long as you're not using this for an unlawful purpose, we will allow you to do whatever you want essentially within within reason. So they set up a bunch of characters, right? Like character.ai and you could set up various characters. And of course, one of those characters, Maetung, Joseph Stalin, you know, Lenin, all the others. And one of them was Hitler, right? because they said, you know, this is we want to prove as a proof of concept that we will in fact allow you to do anything as long as it's lawful, right? You will even be able to talk to a character that's modeled in this way. Enormously controversial um obviously. And then the first thing that happened was the UK's counterterrorism commissioner, right? Some king's council, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, was like, "Oh, well, we need to regulate that, right?" And so you can guarantee that if they succeed with the online safety act, right? Currently AIS and LLMs are not user-to-user services as defined under the online safety act, but that's next. And so you can see a world where the US races ahead in AI. The Europeans and the Brits get salty about it just like they did with social media. And so what they do next, they decide they're going to go after AI, too, and they're going to say LLM is accessible here. And that's like that's like the transformative stuff. One thing that's interesting is if you pull I I have found the AIs that are more honest are the ones that are more useful, right? Because what happens is they're not they're not being programmed with biases or being programmed to avoid sensitive topics. What happens is they're giving you what is you know they're instructed give us the unvarnished truth right in your estimation. And what happens is they cut through the [ __ ] as a consequence right because you've instructed them cut through the [ __ ] and get to the answer. So you could have a situation where the Europeans say actually we're not allowing AI to be truthful anymore because we have our own particular just like with our speech codes we have our own way of looking at the world and we have our own way of and Adrienne thank you very much for reposting that I really appreciate that. Um, so and we have our own way of looking at the world and we have our own way of doing things and Americans, we're going to hobble your AI. Um, where you guys are the world leaders, right? Or let's let's say the solar system leaders within before too long. Um, and you guys are the leaders in the solar system in this stuff. And so we we aren't. So we want to slow you down. So the that is the next step if this succeeds and if we can stop it here right we have a controversial but ultimately I think sympathetic target because it's a tiny company that runs on a shoestring budget to the point where they're not even paying their lawyers right that's that's how small 4chan is in in terms of like and with the other side who's on the other side a nuclear armed G7 member state right so you have a small and sympathetic target it's a David and Goliath story David is my my clients and their senior staff are enormously brave for doing this because the UK is a scary country that has a lot of power. Um and and you know they're very very brave for standing up to them and most people wouldn't to be honest with you and most American companies won't. Um so this it's a David and Goliath story. We have some very damaging documents from a political perspective. Again, Ofcom's allowed to make whatever, you know, whatever claims and defenses they want when they go to court. They're allowed to have whatever opinions they want about English law, but I can tell you, you know, the documents that we posted, if if Jim Jordan reads them or Thomas Massie reads them, um, they're their heads are going to explode. Um, because it's it pertains to purely lawful conduct in the United States and threats to jail people for not obeying a foreigner's rules when there's not even a foreign presence. I could see if if they had a huge office in London or if it were a company like Bitshoot which has a which is headquartered in the UK where that might be something where they might be able to push them around. But 4chan literally has no nexus in the United Kingdom, right? All of its operations are in the United States and they decided that that was the best test case that they could make. And they say in the fine notice, right, we're doing this in part to deter other Americans from disobeying our rules. Right? So they've they've selected this target. They they've selected it in a discriminatory fashion and they've selected it because they want to do a public execution of this of this particular company and they want to demonstrate how much power they have. Well, it's going to be a mock public execution because we're not going to, you know, on behalf of my clients, I'm going to assert their rights and they have they have a right to disobey because, you know, if they if the UK wants to enforce its rules in the United States or against American citizens or companies, they have to there's a procedure for that. They'll never get it enforced because we have the Constitution, which is why they're not trying to, right? What they're doing instead is they are messing around. They're sending emails. They're making threats. The threats are empty. They don't comply with any um you know, any principle of international law or any established practice around enforcing laws across national borders and boundaries uh that you would ever have seen ever. I mean the Germans when they tried this they used the mutual legal assistance treaty procedure because it was a it was a process with criminal consequences much like the uh the processes with offcom for disobeying and um and you know they had a modicum of respect for American sovereignty that offcom in the UK clearly does not. Um, so you know, it it is the perfect time because it's early, because it's it's so blatant that the target is is has no connection with Europe, and it's so obvious based on what they've said that their intention, right? I mean, I can I'll read the exact language from the from the thing here. I'll just scroll up. So we note 4chan's submission that Ofcom does not have jurisdiction to take enforcement action under the act on the grounds that American businesses are protected from enforcement of UK legislation by the first amendment and that Ofcom has no power to enforce UK laws in the US. Right now that is an objectively true legal fact. And what does Ofcom say about that next paragraph? We do not accept this point. Right? We do not accept this point. they don't accept that America exists effectively or that there's a legal system in the United States uh which protects 4chan speech and conduct and their attitude is that they don't care right because they're going to extr territorially reach across the Atlantic impose the fines try to regulate the conduct in the United States it's the most egregious attempt to enforce it's the most egregious attack on the first amendment I have seen in my life.

>> right more and there have been a lot of them right And they sometimes they come from the US federal government, sometimes they come from state government, sometimes they come from local government. This is a national government of a supposed ally of the United States saying we don't think American law applies on American soil. We think our law does.

>> Um and we fought wars over less to be blunt. So that's we fought the revolutionary war over this.

>> Um so yeah, I mean, I'm I'm frustrated. I confess I freely admit I'm I'm very frustrated by the lack of take up. You know, there was a there was a hearing in Congress a couple months ago. Nigel Farage in August, I believe, went to the House Judiciary Committee. There is a big song and dance uh you know, before that committee where they had a bunch of people talking about these issues.

>> but that committee, you know, that hearing followed months of disclosures by me uh of these foreign censorship requests to the committee.

>> Um, and the, you know, I provided, you know, some explanations, other things. I didn't really have a whole lot of substantive engagement. I didn't meet any congressmen. I didn't meet any legislators and I'm the guy on the front lines doing all the work and um and like that's fine like they can do whatever they're going to do but like they need to do something now. I don't care about meeting them. I don't care about you know them hearing my opinion or anything else. They've seen all the documents, right? They know what's happening. The question is where in Washington is is the problem solver? Where's the person who is the person who is best positioned to say, "Okay, I recognize that there's a problem. I recognize that there's a range of possible solutions and I recognize that if we don't roll out that solution now, this is going to be a problem for every major tech enterprise, right? And it's something which is in our national interest to stop and I'm not sure that that person exists.

>> I mean the the implication are insane from just that statement.

>> Um, I'm also surprised that they're not acting on it already.

>> has to >> as horrible as it might sound, it has to like um some other event, some other altercation between the UK and US has to happen for them to focus more on this.

>> But I think I think the executive branch is reluctant to get involved because they see regime change coming to the UK.

>> Yeah.

>> And they don't want they don't want to get in the way of that process. But so I don't think it's going to come from the from the Trump administration and I don't think it's going to come from the US Department of State.

>> Um I do think however that Congress right ultim and ultimately Congress can end this for good because they they are the custodians of the structure of American federal law right they're the ones who are responsible right for deciding when a foreign entity has sovereign immunity for its actions in the United States and they're the ones with the power to enact a rule which says that okay well we know there are piles of foreign assets here well you want to censor Americans the Americans will be able to get damages for that so I'm hoping that Congress is going to but Congress of course doesn't really get a is not known for doing things at in a in a speedy fashion.

>> Um, but I'm hoping that what we've got here is like a section 230 came into existence. Section 230 is a rule here which immunizes large tech companies for the from the speech of their users. And section 230 came into existence after a judge in New York uh ruled in favor. So Stratton Oakmont who the the Jordan Belelffort Wolf Wall Street guy his investment firm sued a early internet company called Prodigy for defamation because Prodigy was hosting speech where a user said oh yeah this company's a scam don't don't do business with them and they said okay well we're going to sue you Prodigy for defamation. Now the first amendment right the judge made law principles as from the early earlier case of cubby versus copypserve held that uh, you know, it held that the internet service provider was was not a knowing uh, you know, participant in creating the speech and there was an earlier case called Smith versus California about a bookstore and so like if you have a defamatory book in a bookstore you don't sue the bookstore for defamation right you sue the author um and so similarly, you know, the the principle was until you had the prodigy case if you have an internet bulletin board. You don't sue the website, right? You sue the poster. In the Prodigy case, they couldn't figure out who the poster was. He was anonymous and whatever, for whatever reason, they were unable to determine his identity. So, they sued Prodigy and they won. And what happened was that so incensed a US senator, a guy who's still in the Senate. He's an Oregon senator, a guy named Ron Weiden, that Ron Weiden introduced this particular provision, section 230, into the Communications Decency Act, which was moving through Congress that year, and they enacted it, and that's what created social media immunity. So the game here has always been to try to create that kind of an immunity from foreign censorship which protects all Americans, right, individuals and corporations and residents from foreign interference with their speech. And I'm hoping that the and you know I've had the busiest day, you know, two days on my website in years um as and a buddy of mine who reposted effectively and it got up on Hacker News. He's had the busiest website day he's had in years too. And the hope is that this is the catalyst for something like that. So that was the objective was illustrate the principle vividly enough that you get Congress off of its douff and enacting something that is a permanent fix. Right? And so I've been working on the legislation for it. I've been obviously representing the companies in the case. I've been doing, you know, independent networking. We have some legislators in New Hampshire um who are very interested in introducing the bill uh that we drafted. We call it the Granite Act. Uh so the Granite Act, we'll just Here we go. I'll just Granite stands for well firstly it's the Granite State New Hampshire obviously. So we we call it that. But granite stands for you know, because they like fun acronyms. Guaranteeing rights against novel international tyranny and extortion is the Granite Act. And um and so we have some legislators in New Hampshire who are looking at it. their filing period ended a couple weeks ago, so they can't file new legislation. There is a bill moving through the New Hampshire uh general court, their bicameal legislature, uh which is gerine, and we're going to try to get this tacked on as an amendment uh so that we can do it this session. But if we can't uh then what we're going to do is we're going to try to do it next session, which will be uh in 2026.

>> Um so yeah, basically no one else is doing this like right now. I I as far as I'm aware, I'm the only one. It is very very lonely. I would really like some help.

>> Um and, you know, and if if I can do this again, I I've said this on every platform available. I've said it on Mike Shelonburgger's podcast. I've said it on Capex. I've said it here before. I'll say it again. You know, if Ron Coleman and I doing this for free, right, pro bono, just two guys, right? Doing this for free with over email.

>> If we can throw a monkey wrench in the works of a global censorship scheme, just us, you know, if Congress just lifts a finger, it's over. It's it's a paper tiger that only it only has power as long as we allow it to. And the second that we make a decision to assert some power ourselves and that would either be power by the coordination of American corporations of consequence.

>> Um, you know, I said last time I was on spaces, let's go all everyone should go out to Tahoe one weekend, have a pow-wow, figure out a strategy, and then do it. Google, Meta X, Reddit, couple other companies, five or six just said, "Okay, we're out. We're not we're not doing this. It's over.

>> Absent that, if Congress lifts a finger, it's also over, right? I think of the I think the executive actually getting involved just because of who is in charge of the executive branch might even be counterproductive because it would be oh my gosh well you know it's Trump's policies that's doing that are doing this etc etc but any coordinated activity by any entity in the United States with even a modicum of power right even even the peppercorn of of real actual tangible you know effective power decided to I have no power right I'm just a I sitting in my desk, you know, it's it's a beautiful desk. My father practiced law at it for 50 years. I practice law at it now. And um it's about 9 ft wide, very very but nine feet wide, four feet deep, made a rosewood, very nice 80s like power desk. And um and, you know, if I can do this, right? So just some dude who you know works for private clients, small startups and things like that. Imagine, right, what Meta could do. Imagine what Google could do, right? if they really wanted to, right? But I get the sense that there's they're not either their legal departments are are cowards to be blunt.

>> Uh, or, you know, the decisions been made at board level that it's there's it's just a cost of doing business and the free speech piece really doesn't matter to them. But if they can get the benefit of smaller companies fighting back and freeing up regulatory overhead, they'll do that.

>> Um, and I'm not sure what the answer is because those those kind of people don't call me.

>> Um, so yeah, that's that's where we are and uh that's where we are and you guys have been have had ringside seats the entire time.

>> in the in the subject of the UK.

>> Um, I think LA last time in one of the spaces you mentioned that you you're actually hopeful about the UK in general. I'm not sure if you meant regarding this subject or just in general.

>> I think you're hopeful. I'm hopeful that

>> Adrian Aa here are um I mean all of us are pretty pessimistic about the state of the UK.

>> I think the Ukrainian needs an election. I don't know when it's going to get it. It could be as late as 2029. It could be as as soon as six months.

>> Um but I think the the more the higher likelihood is is 2027 2028 uh that you see an election there. And I'm hopeful that that will go the right way and that you'll have people who really love the country uh and have their heads screwed on straight about free speech, tech policy, civil rights getting into power at that point. But in the meantime, right, we've got a bigger we've got to this is a bigger fight than just the UK because it's coming from Australia wants to do their thing, Brazil wants to do their thing, UK wants to do their thing, Europe wants to do their thing. You know, if China were doing this, right, we'd have legislation tabled tomorrow, right? But for some reason because you know the country with the koalas in it or the country that where you know the soldiers wear the big furry hats is doing it you know the Congress just doesn't take it as seriously. But like if China were saying we're going to jail Americans um you know, if for engaging in protected speech in the United States we'd have we would have had legislation passed six months ago right? They would have done that overnight.

>> Um but because I don't know I don't know why we're giving the the UK a pass. But I think we can if we were to fight back here, I think it would significantly help the manner depending on the manner in which we choose to fight back.

>> Um but I think if we pushed back in Congress and we said we're not going to put up with this and we asserted our power um and we said listen enough is enough.

>> Uh firstly we would protect the communications channels that that these countries are trying to uh censor in order to prevent political change on that side of the pond.

>> which is an important part of bringing about that political change.

>> Um and in addition to that we would delegitimize the rulers to be blunt. We would say listen what they're doing there's you know it's not just 4chan saying no it's the United States saying no and if they look to us right for world global leadership right and they look to us, you know, and they see how their leaders are treated by us and if we just turn around and say listen this whole censorship thing that you guys are doing that was nice um nice try but the answer to that question is no right and so if you censor an American again now you're exposed to lawsuits good luck and then they stop bringing the lawsuits. It tells everybody who is being oppressed by these people, you know what, like we shouldn't be so afraid of them after all, right? Because it it shows just just how impotent they are. So I I think there there are a lot of different ways to interpret um, you know, to interpret this. But uh, but yeah, that's there are a lot of different ways to look at this but, you know, there are a lot of different ways to look at this but it's how should we say a lot of different ways to look at this but they all any path forward that is that makes progress uh requires someone other than a solo practitioner in Connecticut to take the char take the lead like I I've done everything I can right I've blown the whistle as loudly as I can I've fought as hard as I can um I can continue doing those thing I've proposed laws I'veorked with legislators but I'm just one guy with who's not a professional at making things happen politically. And maybe that's why I've been able to do as much as I I have because I just have not given a damn about uh the ways, you know, the way that things are usually done. And I've just cut straight to the chase and decided, you know, sought out, you know, my my, you know, my my poor wife, she's been widowed by this whole process um over the last sort of 90 90 to 120 days.

>> But like at some point someone bigger than I am has to get in the fight. So, and I'm just waiting for that day to come and I'm doing everything that I can to basically get someone to tag in and say, "Okay, cool. You you've done enough. We're coming in now. We'll handle it from here."

>> Um, and that's been the entire objective of the campaign the entire time. I was never going to beat the UK alone on my own and beat the whole world's censorship apparatus on my own. What I'm trying to do is get the big boys to step in and recognize that there's a threat and recognize there's a solution to the threat and then, you know, adopt that solution and deploy it at speed. And um, you know, I think we've made a lot of progress considering I think we started the real the real push back to the online safety act started on July 25th with where basically I I declared on British television that I was going to take him to court.

>> And you know we have been I've been t it's been the most interesting 90 professionally it's been the most interesting 90 days of my life.

>> Um but like it's it's time it's time now. We need someone bigger to decide to uh, you know, or some a group of people who are bigger to inject like review the docs see what's been going on um if they agree with us, you know, whether they like 4chan or not right it's not called the 4chan safety act it's called the online safety act um and their aspirations right as have been recorded in many many places in different times they've said they want they want it all they want to regulate the whole thing um and if if I can do it, you know, if you got I don't If you got Elon Reed Hoffman, Peter Teal, you know, Zuck, Jeff Bezos, and uh I don't know, whoever Sundar in a room, right, talking about this one day and they just said, "Okay, this is going to stop." Those are guys with real power that they they can do it.

>> But, you know, it's I'm waiting for them to notice. And unfortunately, it seems that they haven't yet. I think it's going to happen very soon in my opinion.

>> I hope so. And you know, I wouldn't with this stuff. I don't I wouldn't even charge like I I working for free. The fun part about working for free is that you don't have to register as a lobbyist um because you're not getting uh not getting compensated for for the work. So it's you're still in petitioning for redress of grievances land rather than lobbyist land. So um, you know, I I would it doesn't m even if it's Facebook, Google, whatever. I would do this for free seriously because it's just like that will enable me to keep talking to the government um without getting getting dinged as a lobbyist or being construed or seen as a lobbyist.

>> But yeah, it's I hope it does happen soon. I really do. I really do. And um, you know, it's I've been doing this for I have been doing this particular thing since 2018. So this has been about 50% of my practice and it's all for most of most of that time it just happened in the shadows, right? We the German thing with GAB for example has been happening since 2017. So that even preceded I was in law school when that started and um and so you know but US law school not UK law school and the second time around and um, you know, it this this stuff has been going on for a really really really really long time and you know it just been very hard to get anybody to pay attention to it and it's I'm starting to wonder whether it will ever happen um whether whether it's actually it's because I'm cognizant we just dropped the docs on Thursday and they're hundreds of pages so it's going to take a week for people to figure out what they actually say, maybe another week to figure out what they mean.

>> But, you know, it's it's, you know, it's the story gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and you wait, right? And you say, "Okay, when when's it going to break? When finally is American patients going to break like mine did.

>> Um, and you wonder and it's it's a it's a curious it's a curious set of circumstances.

>> But no, I keep pushing.

>> Um, you know, I keep pushing and it's really really fun to write emails. I think I gave a comment to the Lunduke journal about hamsters as well and I've committed that every email I get from offcom ever again forever for the rest of time provided that my client instructions permit it is going to contain some reference to hamsters um because that's if they're not going to be ser if like if offcom's like cool like hey we've submitted you know an MLAT or H convention H service convention request and it's serious service and there's a serious claim and okay cool I'll I'll treat that seriously but if you're just going to shoot emails over national boundaries ignoring like how law is actually practiced, then I'm going to respond with hamsters, right? Like that's that's it's a very simple um it's a very it's a very simple way of illustrating that I'm taking their letters and shredding them because it's not a summons and if you destroy a summon, you get in trouble, but if you shred a letter, you don't.

>> Um, so yeah, I don't know. It's it's been uh it's been a pretty exciting week. I should I have 10 exactly 10 minutes left uh this evening. So, if there anyone has specific questions, please feel free to to ask.

>> Um, but yeah, it's been a crazy it's been a crazy week this week because it's been basically the other thing that's annoying is that offcom of course I was keeping my mouth largely shut um about the case and everything else because that's that's what you do. Offcom then of course kind of violated that convention uh by blasting a huge press release about my client saying they're bad and they're bad for children and they're protecting children and all the rest of it. And so you know we had to then figure out what we were going to do and one of the ways you could respond to that is just shut up and say oh no we're going to handle the litigation but this is a political fight too so we haven't been talking about the case but we did respond politically.

>> Uh, and the political response was to release all of the correspondents they sent, which is marked confidential at the top. I'm not aware of any rule of English law which required me to keep them confidential.

>> Um, so so I said, "Okay, well, sounds good to me. It sounds like I'm in the United States right now and the First Amendment allows me to do it, so I will." And um, you know, that's so we'll see. We'll see what happens. But um, yeah, it's been a crazy week. We've done a lot of media stuff. And uh I I wanted to pop in because I had to Adrian unfortunately had another engagement as Adrian knows this evening. So I was unable to stick around for the whole space.

>> Um, but yeah, figured I'd figured I'd pop in at the end of it.

>> Oh no, I'm still around. I'm still I'm doing dealing with a little bit of uh dealing a little bit of dealing with a little bit of a background issue. U we were like discussing like the the whole CO stuff earlier and um man crazy stuff was happening. So I have to like you know clean that [ __ ] up in my server. There was like some people who like kind of just lurk and just came out of the woodwork from that. It's really [ __ ] fascinating. They like were inactive for like a month or two and then they just like kind of come out of the woodwork. So, it was actually a really good operation. So, yeah, that's that's what I was doing in the background, but yeah, I've been intently listening. Yeah, I agree. It's a whole thing. Like the reason why I care about this is not because like I mean these these are all countries that I don't live in. Obviously, I don't live in the UK. I don't live in, you know, America. But this will affect the rest of the world. Like just imagine if some other nation is subjected to the same problems. Like it just

>> they're going to bend likely and I can't I cannot

>> I cannot sit idly by and say nothing. Like this is not going to happen. I got to do something.

>> Free speech,

>> right? Free speech is the is the there free speech is the rule. If you don't have it, then the next thing you know they're canceling in the UK now. They're canceling elections, local elections, so that reform can't get in. They're, you know, they're arresting people for viewpoints that are shared by reform voters to suppress those viewpoints. And the thing and I was I I lived in the UK between 2023 and 2017. And when I left, I was profoundly uncomfortable with the way things were going. And actually, I didn't take a British passport because I was I said to myself on the way out the door, you know what? I don't trust this country. Like, I don't trust it. I don't want to have any nexus with it because I don't really want them to be able to get hands on me or have a law have some lawful reason to get hands on me if I'm an American in the United States. So I and it was a I saw it happen inch by inch, right? Because as an American, you're over there and you see the difference between the United States and the UK. So you can see the frog starting to boil, right? And there was the snoopers charter first regulatory, you know, regulation of investigatory powers act. Then they had the online safety, you know, it was the online harms bill that became the online safety bill that became the online safety act. The version of the online safety act before the one they actually passed was way way worse.

>> And then you saw the numbers of arrests started. My fir the first thing I ever wrote for any magazine ever was an article for the New Statesman on in 2012 on the arrest of a I believe a transgender person uh who was disabled who yelled at the prime minister at an event and said then David Cameron who said, "You have blood on your hands, sir."

>> Right? And that person was arrested for an offense under section five of the Public Order Act 1986 causing intentional causing distress, harassment, or alarm. And I I said and I was like, "What the hell's going on?" Like, "This is supposed to be a conservative government. Like, what are you doing arresting people for for complaining about policy changes in a vocal way?" And so that the frog has been boiling for a long long long long time. And with Offcom doing what they're doing, this is the beginning of the same process, right? This is them saying, "We want to start turning up the heat on the frog." And the frog is the American First Amendment as it exists on the internet, right? And we're just going to try to take an inch here, like clip off a bit there, clip off a bit there. And that's why for me the answer is no. And people sometimes I think in the UK they regard me as something as an oddity, right? Something like why why is he freaking out about this? Why is he so determined to not allow Offcom to get a single win, not allow them to take a single inch? And the reason is because I lived through in the UK 15 years of profound unfreedom, right? Being taken one inch at a time and I it's one inch after another inch after another inch and don't draw the line and say listen this is the line does not get crossed and repulse every single attempt to cross it as aggressively as possible. And if like that can't go on forever, right? They can't keep sending letters to Americans which then I want. So far they've sent letters to four American companies. They've got responses from me every single time. I imagine they're very sick of me down in the offcom bunker at this point. They're like, "Ah, it's Preston again. Great." He's what what what hamster, you know, commentary is he gonna send us this time.

>> Um, but like the at some point something's going to the the stalemate is going to end either because the United States gets involved or because I lose, right? And I I'm not planning on losing.

>> Um, but uh, you know, or or if I drop dead, I think I would have to drop dead. I think that would be the only set of circumstances under which um, you know, I will cease representing people against offcom for free. That that that would that is that is I would have to die.

>> Um, so and and, you know, I'm lo been on a health kick lately. So, um, so, so I don't think that's going to happen, but something's got to break soon. And, and something's got to break soon because this, what's going to happen is behind the scenes, they're going to start jawboning companies like Reddit or Discord or Twitch or Rumble or other platforms like that. And we know they've done that to Reddit and Rumble at least already. And they're going to start getting compliance that way. And they're going to start syncing their I mean, Discord, right? They had photo verification. They any company that's implemented age verification in the UK and censored in the UK although they may be blameless for it from a business perspective like that is where in in that circumstances the inch has been taken already right they've already conceded that the UK has authority to tell them American businesses what they do on their servers. So what happens is I'm being flanked right now on either side, right? I'm currently the the salient, right? And I have I have enemy forces to my right, I have enemy forces to my left, and I have enemy forces in front of me. And I can only hold them off where they're directly in front of me and I'm actually representing the client in question. And so they will try to advance on these other fronts, right, and encircle me. And that's what I would like to avoid have happen.

>> Um, but at the moment that that is, you know, we're we're holding off and waiting for reinforcements. If the reinforcements come in a timely fashion, we win. If the reinforcements do not come in a timely fashion, my career is going to be destroyed.

>> And that's the end of that. So, like, so it just it just depends on when the reinforce when the cavalry shows up.

>> Um, and, you know, and and what personal consequences I suffer if they don't.

>> Uh, and I'm prepared for that, right? I'm I am fully prepared to, you know, I'm fully I'm fully prepared to never set foot in the United Kingdom ever again.

>> Um, the country that I love, um, and and wish to live in again.

>> Um, but it's not I I'm prepared to give that up forever in

In order to do this. And, um, yeah, it'd be nice for reinforcements to show up. So, we'll, we'll see what happens.

Yeah, it's an insane sacrifice you're doing, and we really thank you for it.

It's, it's actually a ton of fun. So, it's not really, it's not really a sacrifice. It's, it's not a sacrifice yet. Um, it runs the risk of being a sacrifice if we lose. Um, and I doubt, in current circumstances, I doubt it's going to, it's going to end up being a sacrifice. I hope not.

I hope, I hope not too. And I, but you know, I'm doing, it's, uh, it, it has been, yeah, uh, I, I have my poor wife has, has had to hear me talk about Ofcom all week. I was like, "Hey, if we get a new sailboat, maybe we call it Offcom's Bane." and she's like, "No, we're not. We're not, we're not, like stop talking about [ __ ] Ofcom." Um, and, uh, I would like to stop talking about Ofcom. I'd like to never talk about Ofcom ever again. That my objective in this exercise is that I never have to mention the name of that agency again. Either because Nigel Farage abolishes it or because Congress nullifies it. Um, so, but that's, you know, that's the name of the game.

But like, you know, it's, it's, uh, how, how to put it? It's been a really exciting week this week because I think there's more, there are more eye, because of what happened. There are more eyeballs on this problem because of what happened in the manner in which it happened. There are more eyeballs on this problem now than there have ever been before. And we, we produce the receipts, right? So when we filed our complaint in DC, it's one thing, you know, as a lawyer, you see complaints all the time. They allege all kinds of crazy stuff, right? And it's not necessarily backed up by the facts. Well, this week we decided we had everything we needed. Uh, and it was time to release all of the docs, right, the Ofcom files.

And by doing that, we hope that everyone else will review it, reach their own conclusions, reach the same conclusions. I think, I think the likelihood that any American lawyer will read the Ofcom files and be anything other than horrified, uh, is is exceedingly low. Um, and once, once we get, you know, all of the, you know, all of the great and the good in the legal profession, you know, in agreement that what's going on here is is outrageous, uh, then I think we will start having movement on the, uh, then I think we'll start having movement on the policy front.

But at the moment, like, like I don't blame Congress for not listening to me. I'm just some random guy who they hadn't heard of until 60 days ago. Um, so, like, it's, it's like completely rational that simply because I'm a guy who has a client and is instructed on the matter that they, they would be somewhat skeptical, uh, of the rightness of my position. But I think after we've dropped these docs, I've got a lot of good feedback on it. Um, and, uh, you know, a lot of, a lot of minds are being changed and hopefully that results in the policy change that we need.

So, yeah, and it's, you guys have all had a, you know, front row seat to to all of this and, uh, I don't talk about this anywhere really anywhere else, uh, on on the internet in a public or or quasi public setting. So, questions, queries, concerns, favorite hamster types? Been doing research on hamsters. I've lost, I've lost the count of how many hamsters because you told me you're going to inject this into a whole bunch of prompts and the fact that you were using even at the beginning of the space, the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air thing was really hilarious. That was an intentional reference, was it not?

I don't know what you're talking about.

It was, it was the exact line, like I grew up with that [ __ ]. I like, you know. It was the exact [ __ ] wording. I was like, wait a minute. Well, I, I've, I've also noticed that like the, it's, uh, when you, when you represent 4chan, you're like going through all the old memes and like Fresh Prince was definitely a 4chan anonymous meme back in 2008 and like rewriting the lyrics about various things. So, um, so, yeah, no, Fresh, Fresh Prince is, is definitely, it's, it's been fun getting back in touch with my Channer roots, um, as, uh, as the company's lawyer, which is not something I ever imagined I, I would, I would be. Um, so.

Milhouse is not a meme.

Milhouse is not a meme is a meme. Um, um, yeah. So, yeah, that's, yeah. Anyway, it's, it's been a, it's been a lot of fun. But, uh, you know, now we've, we've done everything I think that we set out to do, um, from a political standpoint. You know, the, the, the polit, the political, the, the political objective, right? The litigation objective is what it is. Totally separate discussion. The political objective was convince Washington, convince the valley, convince New York that the Online Safety Act is is a mortal threat to the American way of life. And I, I, I'm hoping that we're very near, we're very near to accomplishing that. Um, because that's, you've got to convince everybody, right, that that it's a problem.

The lawsuit got everyone in DC talking about it, right? It got everyone in DC saying, "Oh, well, gee, like here's some interesting legal arguments. Let's look at the USA." But the correspondence, right, makes it visceral. Right there, you've got this is a crime. You're going to get arrested. You're going to get fined. You're going to do this. And knowing that that's being done in relation to constitutionally protected conduct, I think is going to, is really not going to sit very well with, with the beltway lawyer class. And that's exactly, you know, that's exactly who we need to convince.

I'm going to be reading, um, the pinned post right after this space.

Awesome. Yes, everyone, please do, please retweet it.

Please, please repost that pinned post because what I'm trying to do is get, you know, we dropped some stories last week. Foundation for Freedom Online picked it up, Reclaimed the Net picked it up, and National Polls picked it up. Right. So, those are minor. And Mike Shelonburgger picked it up. So, those are out.

10K impressions on that. That's pretty, that's pretty neat. That's pretty neat. 200 likes, 10K impressions. That's pretty neat.

Nice. Nice. So, yeah, the, what we're trying to do is get this into, we're trying to get this into the mainstream media. So, Politico reached out to, uh, House, uh, House Judiciary and the White House and State Department for comment. They hadn't had enough time. They all declined to comment. Politico's take on that was, "Oh, well, they're not interested," which I, I know is not, not the case. Um, but what we're trying to do.

I mean, I've read a lot of Politico's material, Politico's material. Do you think that they will be asking you questions with, um, you know, like good questions and representing the answers that you give them like in a light that is accurate because they have a tendency to twist things a little bit, you know?

Uh, the reporter I work with is actually, his name is Aaron Mack. Work with the reporter I, I speak with has been pretty good about representing our position accurately. He also presents the opposite position and generally speaking, I think, I think it's DFW or something is the name of the column he writes. It's supposed to be snarky. It's kind of like FT Alpha Bill. So, it's, it's supposed to be a little sarcastic and snarky. And so their take is like, oh, it's a, oh, it's a, it's a tempest in a teacup. It doesn't matter. Both sides will claim victory and they'll walk away. No, that's not what it is. What it is is the UK is trying to scare the [ __ ] out of Americans obeying their censorship law and in most cases, they're succeeding and there's there are a handful of outliers who refuse to do it and so the ones who are complying, right, that is not seen, right, that is not observed the behavior, right, is not observed by Congress or anybody else because it happens on their backends in terms of the, you know, the censor, the censorship controls that they implement which currently apply to British users, right? But ultimately, what it is is that a change has happened on US metal, right? US bare metal server has had code on it change because the UK has ordered that that happen, right? So that is the, that is the inch that they took, right? And so from our perspective, we are simply saying here's a little square. They've taken inches. Everywhere else on the front line, an inch has been taken, but not here, right? Not here, not today. And the objective is to illustrate to everybody how they're trying to take that remaining inch and what they're, and they, they went ballistic, right? Just because one company, right, said, "We will not answer your questions without a judicial warrant," and they went nuclear, right, on us and and like press campaigns, everything else because there was one prominent refusal. And the harder we fight, right, over that square inch that of the front line that we're holding, so far, it's been very politically costly for them in terms of their own optics domestically and we want to make it politically costly for them over here in terms of our political optics because ultimately the inch has been taken and it must be taken back. Like we cannot, we cannot allow them to keep that inch. We cannot allow that principle to be violated. And so that is the, the idea, right, is that we're going to try to get Congress involved. The law that we proposed would not only take back that inch, it would take back every other inch that's been taken in the last five years. Um, and and the reason is because I've seen it happen before. I've seen them take the inch after inch after inch after inch and I won't let it happen in America, right? And if, you know, if it winds up being, you know, it, it's already professionally costly. I will never be able to work at a large law firm again. Not that I'd want to, but that, that is not possible ever again after taking this representation. Um, so, it's, um, you know, there, there are professional consequences to doing this. Um, but hopefully we get Congress involved. We take back the remaining inch, right, that they've taken and we take it back across the market and anyone who wants to comply with it truly voluntary, right? Okay, fine. Not under duress. Um, but at the moment, anyone who's done it has done it under duress and they've done it under duress of not wanting to have happen to them, what happened to 4chan. Um, and what is continuing to happen to 4chan. So, um, you know, it's not Politico's take on it was, oh, it's no big deal. Both sides will declare victory. No, it is a huge [ __ ] deal, right? It is an absolutely titanically enormous deal. The First Amendment is losing ground to a foreign country, uh, that that does not have anything equivalent to the First Amendment and in fact is a situation far worse. And if we don't get really aggressive, really soon, they're going to take another inch, right? And then they're going to take an inch after that. And then they're going to say, "Oh, you know what? AI, we'll take an inch there, too." Um, and at that point, you know, it's, you can hold out. You can really hold out only for so long. Um, you know, but, uh, but, you know, we're, we're not going to give up on our side, right? But it's, it's time for, you know, it's time, like the, the, went to JD Vance, went to Munich, he told lectured him about free speech, they didn't listen. He went to Paris, he lectured him about free speech, they didn't listen. Trump went to England once, lectured him, warned him, don't censor Americans. They, they lied to him. They flat out lied to the guy. He then went back to England on a state visit. Apparently, they talked about censorship then. I don't know what they said because it wasn't published, but nothing was done. You know, we sued them. They turned around and said, "Ah, you know what? We're going to claim sovereign immunity in your courts. Uh, you know, because your laws don't matter for you, but they matter for us." Like, at some point, Congress has to figure out like, and how many insults are we going to take? How many times are they going to lie to us or not listen to us or not respect us or try to or.

Yeah. Like how many, like, like when is Trump going to stand up? Like, how's, when is Trump going to sit up and say, "Look, Mr. Stormer, I've had enough of this. I've been pushed enough. We got to do something about this. This is not fair."

Exactly. Like, when, how many times are they going to try or are they going to violate an American citizen's civil rights before Congress decides it needs to stop? And, you know, I'm asking the question, some other people are starting to ask the question, but so far, it's really just a disparate group of free speech adjacent activists who are asking the question. But like, is Zuck asking the question? I don't think so. Is, I don't know, who else, who else is, you know, I don't, Sundar, is he asking the question? I don't think so. Jeff Bezos, does he care? Probably not, because it's not really a speech platform. Um, but, you know, at some point soon, I gotta, I have to jet, unfortunately. Um, but, yeah, I'm really, you know, we, we, I think we hit back really hard this week. Um, it was good to, it, it was glorious to to get them to, it was glorious. It's always glorious when you lay a trap and the other side does more than you're expecting them to do. I was not expecting him to do.

Got to hit him. We got to hit him harder. We got to make him suffer.

We got, we got to, we look, Congress. Yeah, exactly. We got to hit him, right? This is very, it's a very Trumpian response. But like he.

We got to send a message. We have to send the message now.

Exactly. But like, yeah. But like, it's time. The carrot, like they've tried carrot. They've been trying carrot all year. It hasn't worked. It's time for stick. It's time for the stick. So, anyway, I will leave you with that. Um, but that's the, that's the update.

Pokey stabby things. Also slaps. That's the bonus point. Carrot with a stick is like, "Okay, here we go. I'm going to take the stick now. And now we're going to like figure out who can run faster."

Exactly. Um, yeah. So, that's the update on the free speech front. Um, and, yeah, as, as Garrison Keeler used to say, that's the news from Lake Wobegon. We will see what happens next week. Uh, in the news from Lake Wobegon, all of again, every, I blasted everybody I know. But my poor, my poor mutuals on Twitter. They've been like dropping links into their [ __ ] inboxes last 72 hours and they're like, this [ __ ].

I'm just entertained by all of this. I'm like, hm, interesting, more information. I was like, I was just like looking at this going, you know what? I'm just going to like, you just, you just keep posting that so I have a general gist of what's happening so that when the conversation comes on, you can like kind of come in here and pop off. This is like your weekly segments, you know.

Yeah. No, it's, it's fun to come in here and like, it's, but I mean, I'm hoping also that like, what I'm really hoping is that other lawyers are watching to be blunt and that their lawyers, particularly those who are adjacent to government, but lawyers generally, I know they're reading the complaints, I know they're reading the letters, I know they're keeping an eye on the docket and like, part of this is a, is a teaching exercise, right? To to help them learn to basically get, I don't want to be the only cross-border free speech lawyer in the United States right now. I'm one of, one of two, um, and the other one's on, right? So I don't want to be the only one. I want there to be tens of thousands of us, right? Ready to rock and get deployed at any moment in time, uh, to represent our clients' interests. And, you know, part of doing this in a public manner is to ensure that when my capacity runs out, right, either because, you know, I'm, I'm dead or someone better comes along or I don't have, you know, the ability to do it because of too much work in other domains, that other people will be able to copy my notes, right? This isn't a [ __ ] college exam, right? This is, this is warfare. So like, you got to, if you're teaching everyone what your methods are, then they can, um, you know, they can, they can copy those methods and implement them. So I'm hoping that big tech is looking at this. I hope they're looking at the irreverence in particular and the disrespect that I'm showing to a foreign country and understanding that that disrespect is not, not meant because I'm some jerk, right? It's, it's meant to show just how useless, right, and pointless the correspondence is that they're sending because they're not observing the correct procedures. If they want the respect, they can follow the procedure. Um, and so, yeah, that's, that's what we're doing. And thank you very much. I have to, I do have to jump. Um, but, yeah, no, thanks for, thanks for letting me on to provide the update. And if anyone has any ideas, um, if you, if I'm not a mutual, you know, I don't know, ping, ping Suraj or Adrian and say, "Hey, I've got an idea for Preston," and I'll, I'll connect with them or actually, no, my contact form, if you go to my contact form, preston.com, hit up my contact form, ping me an email, I'll review it if you've got any thoughts, uh, but otherwise, guys, uh, you know, we all, we all have a role to play here, so everybody, you know, we'll, we'll all do our bits and fight. So, talk to you in a bit.

Lastly, see you, man. Have a good one.

Thank you very much.

I think on that note, we can kind of like, kind of wrap this up as well and, uh, head to the Discord server. Um, up there is the link. Make sure to go click that and, uh, yeah, we can kind of like continue interesting discussions in there. Uh, we have like an advanced member section, uh, where I usually am inside of most of the time. Uh, so, yeah, I'm probably going to like do a bit of, well, we'll see. We'll see what happens. But, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to go into the Discord right now. I'll see you all there. Uh, thank you all for coming this week. I will be posting the updated, uh, conversation, uh, coming soon. So, like, you know, just to set reminders, it's going to come later in the week or probably like next week. We'll see what happens. Um, but, yeah, so this is nice. Make sure to go click that thing up at the top and, uh, yeah.

Oh, there you on the other side.

There was a good question, but.

Oh, was there? Which one?

Um, I think someone, uh, from England was asking what English pe, British people can do to help, but he left.

You can ask Preston. You got a contact form.

Yeah, definitely. So, if ever anyone wants to get.

100%. I wonder if he's inside. Hang on, let me test. Is he.

He's actually in our, in our Discord server. So, even if you wanted to, you could probably ping him in here. So, uh, yeah, he's actually in our Discord server. So, that's.

On Discord, you just tag him and he's probably.

He's in there as well. Your message.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If that doesn't work, you try and get him on X on his contact form. But, yeah, if you want to ping directly, there are various many chats. You can probably do it in at random or whatever. But, yeah, so anyways, I'll see you there. Make sure to go join. I'll, uh, I'll head off here. And, uh, yeah, we may do some Halo streaming. Uh, we're going to run the campaign, likely. Um, we're going to see if our other guy is going to be on as well because we kind of want to do that. But, yeah, if he's not going to be on, it's going to be a bit of a tough one because I want to do as a four team. Um, and we need two extras. So, it's going to be me, boys. Um, one of the other people, I'm pretty sure he's on. I mean, I see him in my voice chat, so that's good. And, uh, another extra plus one is probably going to be like the guy that you hear in the background of like that voiceover meme that I, the voiceover meme that I did. So, yeah, we're going to be doing that. So, anyways, thank you for coming today. This is a very interesting space. It's ruffled a lot of feathers and a lot of good ways and somewhat annoying ways, but this is fun. And, uh, yeah, we're doing this for the love of the game. We're going to be here every single week. And, uh, yeah, join me in Discord. I'll be there. And if you'd like to, uh, support what we're doing and, uh, keep this whole thing going into perpetuity, effectively, um, make sure to subscribe in Discord. There's a whole thing there and you get access to the advanced member section where I frequently am in the voice channel, so you can actually talk to me. So, uh, yeah, thanks for coming. See you guys.

See you guys.

That's pretty cool.

Oh my god, the background. Behind the scenes stuff. You want behind the scene stuff? It's awesome. You can get that [ __ ] too, because I usually make [ __ ] while I'm on stream. Yeah, that's right. See y'all, everybody have a good day, night, whatever. I'm gonna be in there. Join it, Morty. Join it.