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You want to know how the secret side is run the world?
Yes.
Okay. Well, it's a Leviathon of three levels. Okay. And each level has three parts.
Who's the top level?
Top level is mining, metal, and money. Okay. You think about it, it makes sense. If you control the mining that the metal comes from that the money's based on, you're in a really good position. I mean, I had an author that could affect that position. And he first came at me with a book about gold mining, but it was like, I don't know, a thousand pages and and it was just when I first got started publishing and I didn't, you know, I said, I know nothing about gold mining. And so he finally got it published someplace in Poland. And then he came at me later with a with a thinner book and and he had the support of a a professor from Stanford on it and it was called "Calling All Angels" and I said about the death of his uh great aunt Jane Stanford and I said, "Okay, well, I'll publish this book for you, uh Steven Recqua." And uh we got it out and he was dead in seven days. Okay. He got run, hit, hit by a hit-and-run Lori in London. And I mean, this guy, you know, he was a mining engineer, his daddy was a mining engineer, his granddaddy was a mining engineer, his great-granddaddy was a mining engineer and one of the 49ers, part of the Comstock Lode and president of the Central Pacific. Okay, so this, you know, and um, so mining, metal, and money is the top level, right? Okay.
The next level is a very active level: drugs, guns, and oil.
This is the Epstein level.
Well, um
Because he was doing a lot of arms trafficking, right?
Right. Well, and and and and oil, you see, it was actually a me uh a member of Skull and Bones, Dr. Benjamin Sllamon, Jr., okay? Who uh was given a a vial of of rock oil from from Cornell and by Mr. Bissell, and he wrote him a letter and he said, "Gee, gentlemen, you have some products here,"
Richard Bissell.
Yeah. Um, you have some products here that with very, um, inexpensive processes, you have some very valuable products. And so, um, they were the piece. It was Skull and Bones that sent Drake to Pennsylvania to do the first oil well. Okay. And the only reason we go to the oil store is because they own it. Okay. There's other ways of making energy. Okay.
Yeah. But we You see the file Epstein killed uh ponds.
Yeah.
That was crazy.
Yeah. No. Well, I I we did a book about uh about
Energy fusion.
Uh from a u Italian uh top Italian scientist and a top Italian uh investigative reporter that talked about how
Um, they're already using cold fusion and they're using it to make uh quote unquote mini nukes.
And what?
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a book called uh "Three Secret of Three Bullets" and uh we had to do it as fiction and I they I call they why do we have to do this in fiction? And I read it and I said, "Oh, I understand." And uh but uh going back to
They have cold fusion mini nukes.
Yeah. Yeah. In in Italy.
Um, no, they were they were using them during the first um uh Gulf War there, you know. They were saying that that they've would find these tanks, you know, and they would be all radiated and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And it and they were saying it was from spent uh uh uranium in the in the armor or something like that. It was actually uh these mini nukes. I you know, I'm I'm not an expert on it and I I I you know, I published the book but it was like uh 15 15 years ago. I can't remember a whole lot.
You know, I hear all these crazy stories. I've been hearing them for so long about how the US has the best top-secret kind of weaponry, black budget stuff that looks like magic. But we go into this Iran war and it's like it seems like we haven't progressed at all in centuries.
Well,
We're using the same old [ __ ]
Again. The secret societal, you know, they really, the United States of America has been uh, you know, one of their focuses of of of having us dissolve. Okay? Because they do not like government of buying for the people. Okay? So, again, drugs, guns, and oil. Okay? And
Um
Oh, yeah. I got you off track. We're doing this. Um, yeah. Yeah.
It starts with mining, metal, and money. The layer below that is drugs, guns, and oil,
Right? And and the, you know, the drug trade, like I said, the the uh Spanish-American War after opium became legal, okay? They lost their cash cow. And so what did they do? Well, they fment the Spanish-American War, okay? Through false flag and yellow journalism. I mean, the main, right? Remember the main
What kind of journalism did you say?
Yellow journalism. That mean
Oh, that means uh like Hurst saying, you know, um, "You give me, I'll make the war." I mean, they they they created propaganda, you know, false propaganda to get the American people.
Why they call it yellow?
Um, that was a term at the time. I don't I don't know. I don't know.
And so, um, they uh you had Teddy Roosevelt. Okay. Teddy Roosevelt was under secretary of navy. Okay. And the secretary of navy had gout. Secretary of navy went home early one day. Teddy went up to the desk and sent off a bunch of misses.
Secretary of Navy came back and said, "Teddy, what did you do?" And he never left early again. Okay. And well, we declared war on on Spain, but we didn't go to Cuba right away. Teddy got to quit his job and go get a bunch of his friends and together. But we took the Philippines right away. Okay. That's what Teddy had done. He'd sent off message to Perry says, "Get down there to Manila." Okay. So we we took
Why did we take over the Philippines?
Okay, because um Manila is the oldest western port in the Far East. Okay. Spain, Spain were sending you know, gallions from there. So, um, and and these guys were, you know, opium smugglers, but, you know, they didn't really cop to it when they were doing it. They were, you know, China traders. They they always had a back office in Manila.
So, uh, they sent out Arthur MacArthur as the first military governor, okay, in the Philippines. And then they sent out uh William Howard Taft as the first civilian governor, okay? And he was a member of the Order of Skull and Bones, son of the founder Alfonso Taft. Okay. So, uh, McKinley asked, uh, uh, William Howard, uh, you know, "Do you want to be on the Supreme Court?" And William Howard looked, you know, he's a big guy. He looked good in black robes. And he's, matter of fact, the only guy who's both president of the United States and Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. And so, um, but, uh, William Howard said no. And finally, um, McKinley was shot.
Okay.
And Teddy was president. And see, the Roosevelts were heavily involved with the drug trade. Okay? They were ship captains and and owned uh uh ships. And matter of fact, Delano, Warren Delano, Franklin's grandfather, was a chief factor for Russell and Company for 20 years in Canton. Matter of fact, he came back um to the United States, lost all of his his money in a in a panic, and went back and made another fortune.
Okay.
So then finally Teddy asked um William Howard, "Well, you want to be Secretary of War?" William Howard said, "Sure, I'll be Secretary of War." His daddy been Secretary of War. So um he uh leaves the Philippines. Well, if you look at the historical record, what did William Howard do before he left the Philippines? He made opium illegal for the first time in modern Asia. Perfect.
Okay.
So if it's illegal, you need them smugglers. Okay? And then and then what did William Howard do? He started the HEG and the Shanghai Convention which gave us the prohibition on cannabis and the prohibition on cocoa and the prohibition on opium. And what that does is it allows these people to get primitives
To grow these plants for pennies, okay? And then process them and sell them for big bucks, okay? Which gives them the money then to corrupt everything. Oh, here, here, here, here, here. Because I mean, it's a huge, huge pile of money,
Right?
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What exactly is Skull and Bones?
Skull and Bones is a secret society that was started in 1832. Uh it's an outgrowth of a of a German secret society and it basically came about um because of of Phi Beta Kappa. Well, you see in the United States we had our first anti-Illuminati scare, okay? In in the 1790s.
Okay.
Okay. And George, you know, there's a famous letter to George Washington where he writes back and says, "Yeah, their their tenants are here and and whatnot." And then we had a big um anti-Masonic scare. Okay? So much so that uh in the 1820s we had uh an anti-Masonic party. It was the first political party to have a national convention and then they elected some people to Congress and and and uh different things and then um uh
What do you mean when you say anti-Masonic scare? I don't understand what that means.
Well, well, there was a lot of that that the the Masons were um quote unquote evil, bad, you know, something, you know, I mean, it was just
Ah, I see what you're saying.
You know, it was it was a thing that happened here and there was, you know, speeches and different things. So, we had an anti like a like a satanic panic but for the Masons
Kind of like that.
Yeah. Yeah. You you could say that. And then um so it it became very not nice. Okay. To be a member of a secret society. Okay. And what and and
I feel like secret societies is a very loaded term.
Yeah, it is.
When you say the word secret societies, people I I feel like most people automatically think of like some crazy fringe thing on like the edge of reality. Might be true, might be witchcraft, might be, you know, science fiction. Who knows? But like but like if you could distill what what you mean by a secret society into basic terms, what what actually is it?
Well, a a secret society is basically a group of people that are working in secrecy um to uh accomplish a goal. Okay. And basically I see them, you know, these secret societies using secrecy to lie, cheat, and steal.
So by that term, could like Scientology be a secret society?
Oh, kind of. I guess you know, I mean um is there a membership list of of secret of of Scientology? Okay. Well,
Then you know then you know who the members are. I mean
Yeah.
Or like or like Yeah. I don't know. Any any sort of secret club could be a secret. It doesn't doesn't have to be like some nefarious thing where they suck the blood of children, right?
Uh no, it doesn't have to be. I mean, secret societies have developed, you know, through time for different different reasons, okay? I mean, you at at one point in time, you had the Catholic Church as as the main power, right? And if you didn't do what they did, you you could get yourself in trouble. Okay? So, some people banded together in secret societies to to uh you know, to deal with the the Catholic Church. And I mean, that's one thing I find is that you know, there's different secret societies that have developed over time
And and uh at one point in you know, they they they they become aware of each other and they might even been fighting each other but then they say, "Wait a minute, why are we fighting each other when our uh common enemy is the people?"
Okay, so how many secret societies do we have?
Basically, we got the Freemasons, we got the Illuminati.
Mhm.
Can you can you like name like the top big players in secret societies?
Well, you know, you you've got the Mafia.
Okay. Yeah, we got the Mafia. That's a good secret society.
Secret society. You've got Chabbat.
Chabbat. I want to talk about Chabbat. I'm interested in that.
Okay.
Um
And now see see
Is the So, so and we also have the Illuminati and we also have the Masons. Right.
Well, see Phi Beta Kappa. Okay.
Phi
Is this Skull and Bones? This is this is the organization that Phi Beta Kappa, some of it morphed into Skull and Bones.
Okay.
Okay. Because see Phi Beta Kappa started December 5th uh 1776.
Okay.
Okay. Um and the Illuminati started May 1st 1776. Okay. And there's a lot of of
So these are the first the first ones.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean Well, no, there's in modern times. Yeah. Yeah. And and uh so uh Phi Beta Kappa uh was December 5th 1776 at the College of William and Mary. Two shoots went off. One went to Yale, one went to Harvard. Uh then you had the uh American Revolution.
Uh and so College of William and Mary was shut down but the two shoots at at Yale and Harvard uh kept going and there are Masonic scholars that say that Phi Beta Kappa was the Illuminati come to America? Okay. There's some that say, well, there wasn't enough time for the ships to get get back here, but there's uh uh plenty. Because see the Illuminati uh you know, started by WAP there in in Bavaria was very much Greek. Okay. And before that, all the college u you know, little clubs had generally been Latin. Okay. So Phi Beta uh was one of the first ones to to do Greek.
Greek.
And then so in in the 1820s it became very, you know, not go or whatever, you didn't want to be a member of a secret society. So the Phi Beta Kappa first at at Harvard went went open, became an open society. Okay. And then the Phi Beta Kappa in 1832, two members of Phi Beta Kappa, George u uh Huntington Russell and Alfonso Taft then uh uh formed the Order of Skull and Bones. And William Huntington Russell had been in um at in in Germany uh going to school uh before then. And um this the Skull and Bones is an outgrowth of a German secret society of the Thu Society.
And what's their goal?
Um their goal, you know, I I don't know. I'm not a member. They don't uh they don't they don't tell me, but it it it seems that their goal is to uh control things. Okay. Control um our future and control our kids' future. Control our future and control our kids' future. Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, one of the first things that Skull and Bones did was to take over the education system.
Okay. They brought over the Prussian education system. Okay. The Prussians were very upset when Napoleon beat them. Okay. So they took the actual kids, okay, by bayonet point and and uh you know, had compulsory education and and instead of teaching how to think, they teach you what to think. Okay. And and so uh William Huntington Russell was a u the scan of Russell and Company, okay? Which was the third largest opium smuggling uh concern in the world. Okay. And uh opium creates a huge amount of money. Okay. Um they say that u you know, now you know, fentanyl has taken over over a lot of that market but they were saying that there was a million to a million two junkies in the United States. I I think there's a few more. Okay. At a million to a million two that takes a ton a day. Okay. That needs to be passed around to people. Okay. Now, there's some people that can, you know, um maybe get a month's supply. There's some people get a week's supply. Some people get a three-day supply. Most people are daily opium intake. Okay? So, uh and and you look at Russia. Russia is 5% of their population is daily opium intake. China still has the largest amount of people that are daily opium intake. Iran has the largest percentage, 10% of their population is daily opium intake. Okay? It creates huge amounts of money which then allows these people to um uh corrupt things. I mean um how how Skull and Bones got its real big hooks into the United States of America and the United States government was through the Spanish-American War.
Mhm.
And that was because of drugs. Because you see, opium after the second opium war, opium became legal. Okay.
They don't like that, do they?
And
We got to make that [ __ ] illegal.
Well, it should be legal.
No, I know, but they can make more money if it's illegal.
Right.
Right. Right. Right. So, so after it got made legal, um, you know, I was tracking these people because I was really, you know, digging into the to the drug trade and you can see where they after they lost their cash cow. Uh, before the before the cash cow, they had 85% of the emerging steel infrastructure in the Far East, the railroads and the steamship lines. Okay? So, they uh uh you can see where they they start selling it off. It gets down about 15% and they sell their uh
These are like all kids. Look at this. Look at these skulls. Look, this is the Skull and Bones yearbook photo.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, every every year, I mean, those guys
These kids look like teenagers.
Well, they're juniors in college.
That's wild.
They're juniors in college.
So, what's the initiation for Skull and Bones? Is it like some like weird [ __ ] uh like what those uh what were those dudes who were the um the Templars? What they had to do? They had to like kiss the taint of like the leader or something gay like that. They have to do anything like that with the Skull and Bones?
You know, I I don't know. I'm not a member. I mean, there's all kinds of stories, you know, that story, you know, that there is they had a a night where they have to tell everybody about all their uh uh sexual adventures and and all this type of stuff.
That's a They probably had to blackmail each other, right? So they didn't have to rat get any rats.
Well, you know, I mean, there's some secret societies where you have to give them blackmail material before you join. I think that's what I think that's how you have to get into American politics is you have to give them blackmail,
You know? I think I think you have to like there has to be some sick [ __ ] that you've done in order for you to run run society.
Well, I find that sad. I find that
That's terrible.
Tell me about mind control.
Well, mind control, you've got a couple of factors to mind control. First one is trance. Okay. And everybody takes trance differently. Some people, you know, go go go deep really fast. Some people um, you know, it'll last long. It but everybody affects trance differently. Then you have role playing. Okay. If you would would you do something not as yourself but would you do it if you were Toto the dog? Okay. And then you have trauma. Okay. And ritual. Okay. And those are the basic things of mind control. Now, um, they call it Operation Bluebird. Why did they call it Operation Bluebird? Okay. Metroink's Play, okay? And because in Metroink's Play, there's like five pages of, um, characters. I mean, there's like milk, uh, water, the luxury of being a slave, the luxury of being rich. I mean, there's just all kinds of off-the-wall characters in it. Okay. So, where was Metroink's Play first put on? 1906 in Moscow, same place you had Pavlov and his dogs.
Okay.
See, the mind control, they move it around, too, because uh if you keep it in one place too long, people start looking at it and and seeing it there. It's it's it's one the mob learned that too. I mean, if you have a house of ill repute, okay, and you have the same girls there all the time, uh the revenue on that house goes down, okay, so they had to move the girls around, okay? And uh because like, you know um if you look at the Thu Society, okay, where Hitler came out of,
Okay.
Uh, you've got a lot of mind control different things uh coming out of there and so and and it it gets down to a a very uh technical level again, too. Uh, the the flicker and the TV. Okay. And and different things like that. But uh and and just like you can do mind control to a single person, okay, a single body, you can do mind control to uh a nation, to a community, to, you know, to anything that that's a unal value. You smash that unalile value. Okay. You create altars.
Right. Right. The two political parties are is based that's a version of mind control. It's a way to keep people in check and control them.
Yeah.
And fit them into different uh ideologies, right?
Well, it it it has aspects of it and can be used that way.
It's a very high-level broad version of mind control.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, um the deepest most sinister aspects of mind control go back to uh the Cold War days with like MK Ultra and the Finders.
And the Finders aren't Well, Cold War. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. What What was the Can you explain the Finders?
Well, basically they came across these people in a in a park in Florida, if I remember correctly,
And then they uh traced them back to a place outside of Maryland. And and again, it it's about getting kids, okay, and start doing dastardly things to them uh to create altars, okay, and and then it it
To create like Manchurian candidates, that kind of thing.
You know, there there's mind control survivor conferences. I strongly recommend you go to one now and then. Okay. And I went to one and we got this is good 20 years ago and there was like the women there's at that point in time one of the biggest uh because they've got to experiment. They've got to they've got to figure out how it works. Okay. And the number one um one that they work on is is women that work for the federal government. Okay. And so we got about, it wasn't quite 20, it was maybe about 18 of these ladies in a row and by their ages. Okay? And we started talking, asking them questions. And you could see where the ones uh uh the older ones, they were basically trying shotgun approaches, trying to figure out, okay, what do I have to do to the brain to make, you know, certain things happen? Where he got down to the end, they were just using stun guns and they they had, you know, the different delta and different uh aspects uh uh that they uh you know uh groom people for either uh spies, uh assassins, uh sex, and and different things like that. And you know, you have um you have people there that have been used in in in in Masonic ceremonies as as little kids because then they're they're this innocent uh type thing in in their in their rituals. And uh uh you know, it it it it's really quite insidious. But again, just like you can do it to to one person, you can you can do it to a to a country.
Sure.
And and because it it shatters it it shatters the mind and then you know and they're always after um people that have uh uh need a strong uh father figure. Okay. And you know, like Lee Harvey Oswald and uh now do you know who Michael Rupert is?
I know the name. Would you remind me who he is?
He he wrote a book uh "From the Wilderness." Okay. And he I I met him through uh the CIA drugs uh crowd and um he was a gentleman that went through um mind control as a kid. Okay.
And because like the JFK community, that's a you know that's a that's a large community looking into it. CIA drugs, very, very small community. Okay. And we were we were making some inroads. And so uh they sent Deutsch, the CIA director, to LA and and Rupert gets up there and and confronts him.
Oh yes, I know. This that video is incredible.
Right. And then and then he becomes a quote unquote, you know, a leader in in the CIA drugs uh thing. Well, I was uh putting on uh CI drug symposiums and he started throwing his weight around and stuff and Hopsicker was the first person to say there's there's something hinky there going on. And you know, he tried to he did make me uh not have one person there at one of the symposiums and which I was very sad because he was soon run over by a truck and he was a GI.
He was
No, not Rupert. This uh gentleman by the name of Brian Quig, who was a DI and was adding quite a bit to the discussion. And uh and then all of a sudden, you know, uh 9/11 happened and the CI drugs email list, we were very much uh oh into, you know, deconstructing government lies and everything. So as soon as 9/11 happened, the first thing that was said was, "Okay, everybody turn on your VCRs, okay? And start recording everything." And uh um and you know, the uh powers that be hit that little uh email list, too. They uh uh sent somebody in there. Well, the the first thing you know, 9/11 was you had uh the boing.com. Okay.
The boing boing.
Okay. Which there was no planes in DC. In other words, no no plane hit hit the Pentagon. Well, if you've been to DC, the Pentagon is surrounded by freeways. Okay? There was plenty of people in DC who saw that plane hit. Okay? But if you start the meme out there that, oh, there's no planes on in DC, it it makes, you know, the people in Congress that could actually do something think that we're all nuts. Okay? And then then there was a a lady by the name of Web Fairy. Okay? And she started the thing about, oh, there's no planes in New York either. They're all what's its UFOs or
Yeah. Yeah. That kind of stuff. And then you had the the kicker come in where this other guy came in, Sean McBride. He comes in and says, "Oh, the Jews did it all." Okay. Which is the way to, you know, shut down any conspiracy thing. You just, you know, say say the Jews did it all. And and and we've come to find out that Shawn McBride wasn't Shawn McBride. He was John Foster Brerle. Okay. He was a spook who started um, you know, doing uh dirty and uh even before the internet on on bulletin boards and uh uh, you know, they tried to uh take over and then and then Rupert became very big in 9/11 and helped him do that. And he uh, you know, before we had the first big 9/11 conference in in San Francisco, all of a sudden Mike goes to Russia for two weeks for an economic conference and then he comes back and says, "Well, you know, 9/11, oh, we're just reshuffling the chairs on the Titanic. I'm going to do the old conspiracy two-step tango and take you to Peak Oil. That's really the big conspiracy that's going on, the big bad thing that's happening," which was complete bullshit. Okay, excuse my language. And because, you know, he went through uh the mind control as as a kid and and he brought another person into CIA drugs who had openly talked about going through the mind control training as a kid. Katherine Austin Fitz. Okay. She does.
Oh, I know her.
Yeah. I know her. Yeah. She's a She's a very uh smart, very nice lady. I en I like her a whole lot.
Um, she doesn't like to talk about that now, but
What Tell me what happened to her.
She went through mind control as as a kid. You know, that's how that's how she got on to be on on Dylan Reed. Okay. It used to be
How do you know she went on through mind control as a kid?
She told me. She talked about it.
Oh, publicly.
Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't like to Well, I know we were private conversations, but Yeah.
How did this happen to her?
Um, I I don't know. You know,
She That's all she said. I went through mind control as a kid. Well, she went through more, but I mean, this was this was good 20-some years ago. You know, I'm 70-some. I I don't remember everything. Lord have mercy. And uh and it's like, you know, uh Gerald Ford went through mind control training. You know, he went he went through the football program, okay, along along with Ted Gunderson, okay, who was a special agent in charge of FBI in LA, okay? Uh, because you see, you can follow the mind control training, you know, a lot of it came over from from Europe, okay, went into the army, okay, and then when the Air Force went out of the army, most of it went went to the Air Force, okay? And um, there's when you look at mind control for a long time, you find what I I I call them wells, in other words, they're they're places where there's been a lot of activity for for a long period of time. Okay. And where did where did Gerald Ford come from? What's Gerald Ford's real name?
Jerry.
Leslie King Jr.
King.
Jr. Yeah. Yeah.
How do you get Gerald Ford out of Leslie King?
Well, his his his mom remarried, but they're always after kids that need a, you know, good good uh uh need a father figure. And and so you you can see where where this mind control was in in in academia for a while. Okay. And these academics said, "Okay, I've got one person here and I can I can have him work with me, but you know, I'd like to see if I could get two people together and if I can, you know, get them to to work together." Okay. They decided football was the place to do that. Okay. And um Alonzo Stagg, a member of the Order of Skull and Bones, is considered the father of American football.
Alonzo Stagg.
Stagg. Yes. St.
He created American football.
St A G. And um so you look at Gerald Ford, where where was he as a football player? He started off in Omaha. Okay. A big well. Okay. And then and then where did he go from Omaha? He went to Michigan. Okay. They they like Michigan. They could give give people drugs and take them to Meno Island and think that hey, you you took them back a hundred years. You're a powerful person. Okay. And and then where where did he go after Michigan? He went to Quantico and then he went to Yale. Okay. And that's where he got his law degree and he was an assoc assistant football coach there. Okay. And you know, and he he came in real handy, didn't he? Okay. During the Watergate and all of that. I mean, and then um the uh um uh oh, what's his name? The the LA guy. Uh Ted Gunderson. Okay. I mean, you know, he's been at my house, you know, spent spent a couple nights there and you know, I talked to him about it directly. I told him, I said, "Ted, you're being used and abused." Okay. Ted was out of the football program, too. Okay. Where did he play his college his high school football? Colorado Springs. Any Air Force around there. Okay. Then where did he go from Colorado Springs? He went to Omaha. And then where did he go from Omaha? He went to Quantico. And then Yale.
Okay.
So um it's a uh they the powers that be have affected our history a lot with us not even knowing it.
So the NFL was created by the CIA.
I didn't say NFL. I said
American football.
American football. Alonzo Stagg. Yeah.
I mean
That's pretty crazy.
Yeah. Well, um George HW Bush's uh first base uh coach was uh one of the uh uh oh guys that recruited people there at Yale. And I mean, and Bush was in the CIA right after Yale. He, you know, him just
Joining it when he was the director of
Malarkey.
Speaking of Epstein, what there was a a woman who was a victim of him who you were working on a book.
Well, um she she wasn't a victim, but uh she knew four different victims in in South Africa and she was a South African uh lady.
What was her connection to Epstein? Did she have any connection or she just knew the victims?
No. No. She just she she had gone to uh some of these um victims in South Africa had gone to the same girl school that she had gone to.
Okay.
Okay. And so she uh uh this one called her up and and started talking to her before she uh talked to her mom.
Mhm.
And she had been uh trafficked uh four times, gotten a plane four times from South Africa to go to New York. Uh first time she goes to New York. Uh she barely even gets to New York and they they take her directly to the island and um, you know, she gets and she gets taken to Paris and then the last time uh she got taken to Zoro Ranch and um uh Epstein didn't her there. He she said that he gave her a uh what she felt like was a pelvic exam and then this survivor woke up in the middle of a on a on a medical table with, you know, medical instruments up above her. And this lady said, "It's okay. Just just go back to sleep." And uh when she got back to South Africa, she had a a wound here in her in her belly. And um it seemed that they were looking at at particular bloodlines and and particular uh blood types and harvesting eggs and, you know, doing eugenics and transhumanism and baby farming and and stuff like that. And this this lady connected a whole bunch of these uh links. Um and then uh a little bit after she signed a contract with us, she started to get harassed. Uh her place got broke into. She got followed. Um and they got the the electronic harassment got to be so much that her uh boyfriend went into uh jail with I mean, not jail, went into hospital with uh um auditory problems. And she finally had enough and and just walked away from 5 years worth of work. Okay. On a
What kind of auditory problems?
Uh that's all I I heard. Okay. Was told was was you know, auditory.
Um, and um, and and this was a book um that was going to, you know, it was going to sell well. It was going to do good for her. Um, because basically she was uh focusing on the scientists instead of the sex part of it all and because, you know
The science of it.
Yeah. Because Epstein, you know, wasn't just getting girls and young women. He was getting, you know, all these scientists. Okay. And paying money to have them to get together and paying money to to Harvard for their brain stuff. And and this is very similar to the MK Ultra type stuff because, like I said, you know, they move they it gets moved around and and like one thing that she brought up in the book is how every uh uh girl when they come into the uh uh Epstein's place, they're brought into the kitchen first and they're given a bottle of water. Okay? And there's all kinds of things that you can put in water like scopalum scopalamine. I can't say the word very well.
And and and different things. So um and and and then again, you you have these girls and you can you know, give them one thing and see what happens. Give them another thing. So it it's a continuation of these, you know, MK Ultra type experiments there, too. So, um,
Yeah.
And there's those emails with him and Peggy Seagull.
Mhm.
Peggy Seagull is like the famous New York PR lady, Hollywood lady,
Where he's emailing her saying, "I need you to help me find my next baby mama."
Where he's clearly trying to have children,
Right?
And uh she's advising him on how to do it. She's like, "Oh, you got to find some, you know, you got to find a girl who isn't going to get entitled or isn't going to get emotionally attached and all this stuff." Just sick.
Well, the the whole thing is is is rather sick, don't you think? And and you know, to go back to your uh um uh question about uh how did they, you know, Epstein? Well, you know, his his his dad. Well, no, that was that was Barr's dad, wasn't it? Yeah, that was that was Donald Barr.
Yeah. Donald Barr.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And
Roughly 5,000 emails between Peggy Se Se Seagull and Epstein sent between 2009 and 2019. Can you imagine having 5,000 emails with one person? I don't know if you do. I mean, I I don't have a thousand emails with one person, I don't think. Uh, yeah, she represented Spielberg, Weinstein, uh Barry Levenson. Seagull opened up about what she gained from her association with Epstein, who died by suicide in 2019.
Sure.
Epstein's still alive. You know that, right?
Well, you know, I I hear people tell me that, you know, I mean, we did a uh a thing in uh LA with Sher Seymour and Hopsicker and at the end somebody came in said, "Kurt Cobain's still alive and all these people are all alive and whatnot." I mean, again,
Yeah.
It sets up dissonance, you know, and stuff. I mean, it it's it's again, it's part and parcel
Of of dividing and conquering and, you know, and creating
Um, dissident.
Mhm.
Because they don't want to all be on the same page and understand, right? Whether he's alive or not, it doesn't change the fact that we know the truth about him, right? It's just you want to you want to create a
That makes sense.
But it is just crazy the the the prostate email, the email with the doctor about going over his blood work and his medications and all that and he's like, because the doctor's like in the email, "You don't have a prostate, right?" And Jeffy responds, "Correct." And in his official autopsy report, they inspected his prostate and it was impeccable. Well, you know, I mean,
You know, is that some sort of weird limited hangout or is that just is that insane evidence that he's still alive? You know, it's [ __ ] bonkers,
You know. I I mean, I don't know. And and and and really can't know. Okay.
And and and again, it it it creates dissonance and and creates it creates it so that uh
We're we're fighting, well, is Epstein alive or not? Right. Not not what they not what he did and and what all happened to us.
Mhm.
You know.
Mhm. Yeah. And um the Zoro Ranch thing, I think they just started to investigate that. Right.
Right. Right. Yeah.
That's the one that was kind of been on the back burner. No one ever paid attention to that one.
Yeah. Yeah. No, the the FBI told them don't don't look into that. They told you know, they were the people in New Mexico were going to look into it and they told them not to. Yeah. And I mean, and there there's underground things there. U there's
Well, the new owner is turning it into a church.
He's going to bring That's where Jesus is going to come back when he returns to Zoro Rancher.
Oh boy. Oh boy. Well, I I I hope we get pictures, you know.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, no, there the the thing around the Zoro Ranch, I mean, it's got underground facilities to it. It's got, you know, some very strong um uh communication links there, you know, and then it's in between, you know, uh the Trinity site and and all these uh what they say are Dumbs down there and the aliens and and all that crap, you know. So, I mean, how many rabbit holes do you want to go down?
Yeah.
You said earlier a couple minutes ago when we were talking about 9/11, you said there was lots of evidence and eyewitnesses that there was a plane that hit the Pentagon.
Yeah. Yeah.
What is your overall take on 9/11? What do you think that was?
Again, it was a a mass trauma hit against the American people. Okay.
So it was intentional and the American government was complicit in it.
Um, well, the secret societal part of the American government was uh complicit with it. Okay. I mean, not the whole American government was complicit in it. No.
Mhm.
You know, there is this I saw this video on X. Someone sent me this video of this group of students doing this crazy art project in one of the Twin Towers and it took up an entire floor was basically shut down for months right before 9/11. Are you familiar with this?
I got to find this real quick. I send this to you, Steve.
Um, yeah, there was uh I think I might have sent the
That's it. That's it. You found it.
This one?
Uh, no. No. The guy on the right. That interview on the right.
Okay.
Let's listen.
Check this out. We got headphones right here. If you put these on, you can hear the audio. All right, press play.
Good evening. You're watching the artist forum. My name is Ellie Fordise and I will be your host for this segment this evening. I'm very, very happy to be up at World Views, which is a wonderful art exhibit and presentation that the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council has been putting on here at the World Trade Center, number one building, World Trade Center. And I have with us tonight Mktar Kokash. And Mktar, can you tell us something about this program and your involvement with it? Sure. Um, this is actually an artist residency program. Artists apply to uh and are selected by a jury um to be in residence on the 91st floor for a period of approximately 6 months. And it's a raw space. Um, it's a shared studio experience for approximately 15 to 20 artists and they get to work in this environment. Some people um paint the views, some people work on issues of corporate culture, some people are interested in issues of scale, others meditate and do very ephemeral um works because as you can imagine the views are very inspiring um and uh the light is very beautiful. Um this program was actually uh started um as it is is uh 3 years ago. Um however approximately four years ago um an experiment um to have artists in the World Trade Center was initiated by an artist called Carl Scorza and who approached the Lower Manhattan Culture Council about uh the desire to paint from the World Trade Center during the winter uh because it was uh convenient and the World Trade Center would offer.
Go back to the very first frame of that video. It shows like a wide angle of some of the art all over the floor and the walls. Just refresh it. See if it if uh it restarts it. I want you just to see. So right there. Look. Pause that. You see how it says exit on the back wall and on the floor.
Mhm.
And then if you play it, it shows like a different area where it says that they have they have the word exit everywhere. It's just so strange because there was Right. Look. Yeah. Look at that.
Freaky.
Mhm.
Because there are descriptions of people talking about crazy like floors being shut down months before that and like construction and crazy jackhammering going on on one of the shutdown floors.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I think that there was uh, you know, uh they there had to be some pre-planning on on the whole thing uh to get it to get it to happen. But um and then in the Epstein files, you have that whole shadow commission thing where they're emailing Ghislaine asking her if she wants to be a part of the the 9/11 shadow commission. And then there's that whole missing chunk of emails between like 1999 and 2001. What are they trying to hide? I mean, you know, I I I mean, I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm I'm I'm just a a kid looking at this from the outside trying to figure out what's going on.
Okay.
And I mean, um it it it's it's quite obvious that, you know, there's there's uh all kinds of occult things uh about 9/11. And uh we did a a book called "The Most Dangerous Book in the World" where, you know, the guy deconstructs all the different uh uh cult lines uh uh to to the act. And then have you uh ever talked to Richard Grove at tragedyandhope.com?
No.
Well, I strongly recommend that Richard should is supposed to be dead. He was supposed to be in 9/11 that day, but he had a car
Um that had just got done and he picked it up from his uh
Um uh the the garage and and he didn't get to work on time that day.
Him and Howard Lutnick.
And so he's done a lot of uh incredible work on that and and he's uh he he's quite uh oh areodite around about the whole thing. I
Interesting. I strongly recommend you talking to him, too.
Yeah, I'll Well, I'll check him out.
You know, another another interesting character tied into all this stuff and the Epstein stuff is Howard Lutnick.
Mhm.
Who is still employed by Trump's White House after all of this [ __ ] you know, he was on a podcast 6 months before the Epstein files came out. Absolutely lying through his face hole
About how he met him one time and then made a made a dying vow with his wife to never ever be in touch with that despicable human being ever again.
And he and he lives what? Nine steps away from him.
Yeah. Yep. 11 East 71st Street. And Jeff and Epstein was like 90 71st Street.
Right. Right. Right. And uh so they shared a wall between their two houses and uh there's tons of I don't know how many but there was a bunch of emails between them where they were going to like all the things in that podcast interview he said that he vowed never to be a part of with Epstein fundraisers, this, that, whatever. He was literally at all those exact types of events with Epstein. Not to mention he was literally going to his island with a boatload of people and there's photos of them together hanging out. Like the fact that this guy still has a job is insane. And he was one of the ones who famously made those crazy bets on the airlines right before 9/11 happened.
He was Oh, wow. Wow.
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