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But this is what he wants to take revenge for, how to make Iran great again and take revenge on America for harming us. I see Iranians who express love for him because the reason is that he sacrificed greatly. Finally, he said he wanted to sacrifice because if he did this, Iran would rise up by uniting the people. He sacrificed himself, he did not hide. Those with great power cannot bully those without power. We must fight. >> The people must have strong faith, which is a greater power than any weapon. Mustaba is the supreme authority, but the truth may not be. [Music] [Music] Hello viewers, welcome back. I want to tell you viewers that it is very important because today, the delegation from Thailand, including the Minister of Foreign Affairs, went as representatives of Thailand. But there are many thinkers, academics, and analysts who have been invited by Iran to attend the important funeral ceremony of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the former Supreme Leader of Iran. And one of the people who is there in Iran right now is Mr. Thani Treevatanavong. Hello, Professor. >> Hello. >> Just a moment, Professor. When did you arrive? Friday? >> Uh, yes, since the 2nd. >> Around Friday, right? Uh, what's the atmosphere like? The country is in a state of war. Professor, you are in a state of war, but when you arrived, was it smoother? Has it entered a more orderly system? Because there was a ceasefire period. How was it? Is it okay? Is it safer? >> First of all, when I arrived, I surveyed the market. I went to walk around the market. >> And I talked to the Iranian people. Everything is like a Thai market. You walk into a market, and there are many people selling things. They don't think there's a war. They don't care. I asked them why. They said: >> It's their nature. They have been facing this for a long time. War is not strange at all. You, Mr. Krung Thep, mean that people feel that >> They will die wherever they are. If they die in a war, and a bomb falls on them, it is considered a great honor to have sacrificed for the nation. They will not run away. >> They are willing to die for that honor because they think that if they hide out of cowardice, they will die anyway, but die as cowards. They don't want that. They die with courage. So they said they will not run away. They will live their lives normally, as usual. >> This is what you told me. >> Yes. And what about security when you arrived? Professor, was it strict, or was it relaxed, or what was it like, Professor? >> Oh, very strict, very strict. >> Oh my! [Laughter] >> Machine guns everywhere are normal. Armored cars are parked everywhere. Soldiers in uniform, many soldiers walking around. And there are many checkpoints. Whenever you go anywhere, they ask the Iranian people, they have to stop and ask everything. And there are so many officials. It's like a war, isn't it? You might have seen war scenes at checkpoints. >> They have to know who we are and where we are from, right? And their questioning is quite thorough. >> I think it's natural. It's not strange. What's strange is that the war hasn't ended yet. So the chance of being bombed or encountering many problems during the conflict is very high. But I think 92 million people are not afraid, so why should I be afraid? So I went to the event yesterday evening, from 8 PM to 10 PM, 11 PM. I felt the power. You will see the clip. There's a clip, but I don't understand what this power is. I tried to understand. If I were Thai, would Thais feel this way? So I compared it to the Black May of '92. >> When I [cough] protested with Major General Chamlong Srimuang out of anger at the military that came to seize our country. I felt the same way when I protested. >> Mobile phones in '92 made me feel like, "Wow, it's the same." We are angry. We want to change the country. This is what they want to do. How to make Iran great again and take revenge on America for harming us. This is their problem. >> This is from your perspective, what you saw from the Iranian people, what you conveyed. This is from the perspective of understanding. Professor, before we go to the analytical part, during the time the media interviewed you, Mr. Thani, where are you from? What did they ask? I want to know. What did they ask? >> I can tell you directly. There were 4 very similar questions. Everyone asked similarly. 1. Who are you and where are you from? 2. This is your first time in Iran. How do you feel? 3. You are participating in this event. How well do you know our leader, Ali Khamenei? 4. After you have experienced and known him, what kind of person do you think Ali Khamenei is in your eyes? >> Wow, Professor, did you answer directly? Did you answer directly? I had to try. I think I don't flatter anyone. >> I don't flatter anyone. I don't love anyone. I only love justice. I said this. Before speaking, I said I can't flatter anyone. I want the truth. What I have experienced, before traveling, I heard a lot of news. In the news footage, and when I came to Iran, I saw Iranians who expressed love for him. >> There must be something good, right? So I had to talk to each Iranian person who said they loved him. And why? So I saw his performance for 37 years as a leader. What has he been through? And what did he go through before becoming a leader? He is a very respectable person in history because he sacrificed greatly, both his working life and his own life. Finally, he said: >> Uh-huh. He wanted to sacrifice because if he did this, Iran would rise up by uniting the people. He sacrificed himself. He did not hide. >> He said he would not hide. >> He would not run away. He would not be a coward. If they bomb, let them bomb. >> Uh, like this. >> It's something he thought was not necessary to run away that much. >> We are old, 85 years old. We die in bed. Is it better to die like this, sacrificing for the nation? >> This is what was conveyed. And another thing I heard is that I communicated the 4 questions they asked me, and I answered them all. And I said what I wanted to say, briefly and simply. This person is a just person. He doesn't want nuclear weapons. He doesn't want war. He says, "Don't fight." >> And he tries to create legitimacy or justice in the world. Those with great power cannot bully those without power. We must fight. Even if we die, we must fight because we will not tolerate those who oppress and bully us. Justice, compassion, righteousness. These three things, I learned from him, Khamenei. If you have these three things, people will love you. If you are a leader. >> Uh-huh. I see the picture, Professor. Let's go slowly because it's very fun and very important. It's a direct experience. The timing is probably tomorrow. From what I've followed and talked to many professors, tomorrow there should be a procession of the coffin through various points. And it's predicted that millions or even tens of millions of people will come out. Professor, can you analyze a bit? I noticed that the focus is on whether the Iranian people will see the current Supreme Leader, M.J. Khamenei, participate in the event or not. Did you discuss this? From an analytical perspective, what are the chances? >> I'll tell you straight. Don't even think about it. There's no way. The war hasn't ended yet. And what's happening is that Mustaba will stay like this. It's the best. Or if another person passes away, >> morale will be lost, and the damage will be severe. I think it's best to stay like this, behind the scenes. Frankly, we still don't know who has the real power in this country. Now we adhere to the principle that the leader, Mustaba, is the supreme authority, but the truth may not be. >> Yes. >> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. >> And if the truth is not that, then we should not reveal it. We should stick to this principle first. So that the nation and the people have a center of power. To say that at least the successor to the will of Ayatollah Khamenei, Mustaba Khamenei, is still here. >> Still here. Uh-huh. >> It's a symbol. They call it a symbol. It's done correctly. Don't take risks. When you take risks, if it fails, or even if he comes out and the image is damaged, it's better not to see him. Not seeing him might have more power. >> Actually, this is important. Because from one perspective, while I was monitoring before talking to the professor, there were reports of his injuries, 1, and 2, security issues, and 3, internal politics between the IRGC forces and the political faction. Right, Professor? Did you have a chance to exchange views? What's your impression? From what I've experienced, when I actually arrived, from our perspective, we understand well. We understand that Iranian politics has checks and balances. From what I've observed, which side has more power or leadership, the political side or the IRGC? Professor, what's your assessment? >> Clearly, the IRGC holds power in this country, and the commander of the IRGC issues all orders. I don't believe Mustaba has to issue orders. And for military matters, religious leaders don't need to issue orders. Because the more they issue orders, the more damage it causes. So issuing orders for war is not the duty of a religious leader. So what he can do is the policy must be to fight on, unite the spirit, unite the heart, in terms of faith, not weapons. >> Uh-huh. >> The people must have strong faith, which is a greater power than any weapon. Weapons are already abundant in the armories. >> But for weapons to be most effective, the person behind the command must have real authority to command. And what's happening is that the people must accept that that authority figure is doing the right thing and represents the people. So what's happening is >> Mustaba is the representative of the people who have given authority to the military to manage. But if Mustaba says the military is not doing the right thing, >> Mustaba has the right to dismiss the military. Is that correct? But he doesn't order the military. He doesn't tell the military what to do. It has nothing to do with it. So don't worry about the war and Mustaba. They are separate issues. >> Yes. So, in that case, it further confirms that not appearing is better. Let me ask you, Professor. From your experience with the Iranian people, do you know if >> in the processions or during the time of paying respects to the deceased, did they talk about wanting to see their leader? Is there a trend today? Is there, Professor? Is there? >> Of course, people want to see. Ordinary people, I think, want to see him speak, express his feelings, express his condolences, or show his leadership. Everyone wants to see. >> This is human nature. But the time is not right. Victory has not yet been declared. It's still very sensitive. And what Israel is doing now, I had the opportunity to listen to a discussion with leaders at the forum in Tehran yesterday. And there were leaders from Fatah, who spoke, and leaders from Pakistan's finance sector also spoke. This is about outsiders. But about insiders, the Governor of Tehran also spoke to about 600 journalists from around the world. >> To have a conversation. But what I want to say is: >> Yes. >> They have an extreme anti-American policy. What does that mean? You are a devil, Satan, who must be destroyed. That is Israel and America. This is clear. And they talk about how Iran will now move towards the world to be a balance of power in the world, along with China and Russia, to balance the American bloc. This is Iran's role. Iran must be prepared to unite the new bloc that will emerge in the world. >> In this analysis, they say the American bloc cannot last much longer. We must >> be patient and unite to overthrow the bloc that lacks justice and morality. >> They steal from us, they steal from our country. >> I see many posters in Iran that severely criticize Trump. >> They are criticizing him as this person? >> Yes, yes, at the subway stations. >> You will see cartoons and parodies, saying they came to steal oil, they only want oil, they keep making excuses about nuclear weapons. So when they talk about Netanyahu, it's in terms of the evil of a Satanic person who harms Iran, even though Iran has never harmed you. You harm Palestine, destroy it completely, and Iran goes to help Palestine, and you come to harm Iran because Iran helps Palestine. >> This is not right. It's not reasonable. It lacks justice in this world. They do it for me. I like one thing. >> They [inhales] look at justice. >> That Palestine exists, and Israel comes to bully and occupy the country, destroying all the people, committing genocide, and taking the country as their own. >> And Iran sympathizes with the Palestinians and goes to help. >> And you come to harm Iran because you help people. >> So you don't kill people. >> Ah. >> Professor, it coincides with National Day. If we go back, the image of the Iranian people protesting, protesting against their Supreme Leader, the President of Iran, at the end of last year. But today, the image seen is the opposite. Professor, what does this contrast reflect? And what will Trump think when he looks at it? >> Trump will probably look and see that the Iranian people truly love their leader. They love him with pure hearts. Because it can't be faked. They don't go there as strong men or anything. There are people of all ages, genders, young and old, even small children are carried. I still wonder why they carry them. Maybe they have no one to take care of them, or maybe they want them to experience something. Or they go as a whole family. Everyone goes as a whole family. Parents and children must go together. And they walk as a unit, waving flags. I said, "Wow, what is this grand event? A family event? A picnic?" I'm tired, but the children love it. A grand opening ceremony. They show something grand. This shows one thing: Iran and America are diametrically opposed. They are countries that can never get along. So I had the opportunity to listen to people who work with Iran's soft power. Iran has a slight weakness in the past. They couldn't do hybrid warfare well. Hybrid warfare means you need something called global news and information. Because war is not fought with soldiers. It's fought with politics, technology, and news. News is very important. Why do they invest so much to invite me, 4 people? No cost, all free. Iran is not rich. And they honor us so much that they allow us to do this and that for 8 days. Why am I here for so long? I could leave after 2 days. But it's okay. We consider that we must try. >> This is what's happening. I saw a clip. I'll send it to you, Art, if I have a chance. A clip that Iran intentionally made to broadcast to the world, saying that Americans should be ashamed. >> Uh-huh. [Cough] >> This makes us wonder, why should Americans be ashamed? Iran doesn't insult them sharply. They tell Americans they should be ashamed that your country has been a war-mongering country for 250 years. They show a logo, 250 years of American history. Starting from your founding of America, how many millions of Native Americans did you kill? You occupied their land, committed genocide. And you dare to build a country with the blood and sweat of Native Americans. And Americans are the real hunters. They went to hunt people here and there, occupied their land, and claimed it as their own, even though Native Americans were the owners. >> They started. They started listing them. But it's a cartoon. It's a bit soft. >> A bit soft. And they didn't say it out loud like this. They used images. >> Ah, I see. >> And they used music and images. There was no speaking, no text, but we saw it and knew. This is the red man. You destroyed him. You destroyed Latin America. You set South America on fire. You caused problems in this country and that country. You overthrew their governments and caused problems. You went to Africa to steal their resources. >> Like this. You went to Vietnam, you went to Korea. How did you wage war there? And the image of Americans is that they like to steal. This is what this clip conveys. And this clip is very good. I give it credit because it communicates without narration. >> Now, it's interesting. Let me update the viewers a bit. After Trump signed the deal, almost a month ago. The first round of negotiations in Geneva passed in Switzerland. The first round ended. And before the second round, there were a few bangs, I mentioned 2-3 times. Bangs for a while, and then they stopped. They agreed to a ceasefire. A ceasefire. And then they talked again in Qatar, before last week. And they agreed to a break during the funeral of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. After the funeral is over, they will talk again. Now, the question is this: In this round of talks, will the atmosphere, the feeling, or the options be filled with toughness? Will the negotiation approach be different from before? Professor, what's your assessment? Because they have gone through a period where, simply put, the greatness of what happened in Iran. How will the world cope? I ask, Professor. >> Listening to the tone of the discussions, many of them are directly involved, especially high-level executives, or even representatives from media around the world. They have given their opinions on this. These negotiations have been prolonged. The war will continue. It will not end. It will end only when Israel collapses. [Cough] And do you think it will end? If so, the meaning is that Iran will never stop fighting until Israel is destroyed and collapses. >> Uh-huh. >> That is the problem that everyone agrees on. And I interviewed many Iranians. They said there is a scripture that states there will be a final war where everyone must sacrifice for the war to end. And after that, we will have long-lasting peace, and we will have peace and equality in the world after the final war ends. That Satan must die from this world. God has already said that. Then God will return to us to create a new world. But I understand it in terms of my understanding. The new person is the world leader who will make our world so chaotic, fighting and killing. Before that happens, there will be great destruction and killing. To achieve peace, we must eliminate all those Satans. Satan is America and Israel. This is what I have heard. So don't think the war will end. Don't think the negotiations will end. Don't think there will be peace in this world. There is no way. >> The question is, can you avoid the war from becoming more destructive? For example, if we are going to fight America, we should not fight like in the past, with armies clashing and civilians dying. >> You fight to the death. You fight at sea. >> Uh-huh. >> Fight at sea, and kill each other to your heart's content. Whoever wins, returns. The people are not troubled. Uh-huh. >> Ah, like this. We see this. >> Ingenuity. [Inhales] [Cough] The goal is to destroy Israel, to remove it from this world because you >> are the Satan that Buddha, Buddha, Buddha inscribed thousands of years ago. And he said the three religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, are three religions from the same God. So if you have problems, God will let you fight until you die. And whoever is the new leader will solve this problem. >> This is the scripture that was written, that the Iranians told me. I listened and was amazed. They call it Imam Mahdi. >> Professor Paisan also told me, but I heard it directly from the Iranians. I felt, "Wow, it has emotion, it has feeling." Humanity, don't think we will have peace. Think about how you will survive the destruction and collapse of the system. Now, I think we should prepare for a war called an endless war, for another 10-20 years. And after the war ends, the world will return to an era of true peace. >> Uh-huh. >> This is approximately the meaning. >> Uh-huh. So, after the funeral is over, Professor, do you think this is a question, but the answer to the question is: >> There will be sporadic bangs during the 60 days of negotiation, which will not end easily. >> Israel and Iran will definitely fight. But the United States will step back and observe. >> Now it depends. >> It depends on the Zionists. I heard them talk clearly about Zionists. Zionists. >> They say this. Uh-huh. >> How much power will they have in determining US government policy? It depends on the US government. >> Uh. >> How many capable and good people are there to guide this matter in the right direction? The US should not invest its resources in war. If Israel fights Iran, let them fight to their fullest. Because Iran is ready to fight. [Cough] With Israel. Because >> it is determined in the scripture that the true Satan is Israel itself. >> This is the problem in the scripture, which has its name. >> But they don't interpret that the US is Satan. They interpret that Israel is Satan. But what's happening is that war is impossible if the US gets involved. Because if the US gets involved, Iran will be destroyed. Professor, do you have any closing remarks for the Thai people? Because our media didn't go there much, Professor. Please. >> Yes, I'll close briefly. The reason >> I was chosen this time is that I don't take sides. I am neutral, and I speak the truth. >> We see what we see and we speak. It may be right or wrong, but it reflects the truth as I see it. Many people are suffering. So you must see this suffering first. And then you communicate it to the people so they understand that you must not forget the poor and those who are suffering. Because they are the ones who will pressure you. If they are suffering, you cannot exist. All the rich people. Ali Khamenei, he was like that. He sacrificed his entire life for the Iranian people. And finally, he even sacrificed his life so that the Iranian people could unite and fight against the enemies who invaded Iran. I sincerely hope that you will see what he has done and that it has been very successful. The Iranian people have united as never before in the world. I will bring the truth back after I get the pictures and sounds. >> And I will narrate again. >> Good. And we will continue to analyze because the other side must also follow the situation in the United States. After you return, the third round of negotiations will be intense. Okay, thank you very much today. Professor, live from Iran. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Professor. >> Hello. >> Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to the Su Tao channel to not miss interesting clips and watch new clips first.