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Yes, we are live. Good evening everyone. Our topic today is our episode; it is a very popular topic. It is raising a different question across the country: what kind of panic is going on in our judiciary?
In today's discussion, there is a very important discussion. Advocate Shalu Sharma, who has been associated with us for a long time and is very active in Social Prince, will join us in this discussion and will discuss it in detail with us. This works to explain that the case they are discussing or the attack on lawyers in Ghaziabad by the police keeps telling all the viewers that this is not a common attack on our lawyers. Their integrity has been questioned, and this attack is why the police come. This raises questions inside the courtroom where even the phone is not allowed at the same time. It is not okay for the clients to take the phone with them. They come there, and the lawyers are called officers of the court.
It is a big question for the court if they are attacked at their own workplace. And on whose strength? The District Judge, this entire incident happened in Ghaziabad District Court, which is the main court of Ghaziabad District Court. It is considered to be the main court under which all the courts are located. There is a case going on in that court of the district, and now let us tell the audience what this case is.
For the first time, we are bringing this case before you. Till now, no one has given you a detailed description. What is the matter? This is the first time we are telling you exclusively on Law Chakra. What I am going to tell is that all the viewers should understand that there was one case of land grabbing. Call it Uttar Pradesh or call it many states; there are many cases of land grabbing going on in other states also. A similar case was there, some culprits of encroachment on government land. Government land encroachment is done against which there are many complaints to the administration. Many complaints were made to the police administration, and no response was received.
SDM was told that no response was received, due to which the complainant got upset and filed an FIR for land encroachment. 1563 was implemented, and 1563 was filed in the magistrate's court. As soon as 1563 was filed, we kept telling the audience that when the police station does not register the FIR, then the court threatens the police that they should register the FIR. Section 156 is imposed for FIR registration. Due to the change in the law of CrPC, that section has changed, but this is the time when our CrPC was printed under CrPC 1563.
The magistrate summoned the SDM and asked for a report from the SDM whether there is a case in this. The SDM said that absolutely true. Encroachment has happened, and till then it is known that the police removes the encroachment by beating them with sticks, and CGM sir gives instructions to write an FIR. The police writes the FIR and neither arrests the accused. After the arrest, he is produced in the court. The case goes to the ADJ court. CGM commits the case to the ADJ court under the committal power.
The land was worth Rs. 1 lakh. It was a case of Rs. 0 lakh. The land mafia got this land by making an illegal agreement. The land was taken by the mafia, for which when the ADJ grants bail on it, then that bail is challenged. Now, when it goes to the District Judge, what does the District Judge do? The District Judge, through his interim order, gives bail to all the accused and says that you bring the police report on the next date. The police report is coming later; the bail is being given first. Beyond which, the lawyers of some of the complainants immediately objected there in the court and this irritated and agitated the District Judge.
The District Judge Sahib immediately stands up and says that the content being made in Abu's language, on any point or point of the incident, because we were not present, does not satisfy us. This is hearsay to us. What we have got is that we do not do any content. What is being said, what we read, what our team came out from our research is that the District Judge stands up and starts abusing and calls the police administration.
And the matter after that, that you are watching in the video, you are seeing a video being played on the screen next to you, where the advocates are lathi charged at their own workplace because they are doing the work which they are supposed to do. The advocates have come here after three years of five years of study, and in what manner the police are beating them by lifting the chairs and lathi charging the advocates.
Is it a fair question to charge the advocates with batons at their workplace? Was it fair at all? After this, there are many associations; they started a strike. Many people wrote letters on this matter. Many officers wrote letters. Many bar associations wrote, Supreme Court Bar Association, Allahabad Bar Association, Ghaziabad Bar Association, New Delhi Bar Association, they in their own way expressed condolences on this incident, which if we say so, was a pitiful situation of our court in Ghaziabad.
We have heard such incidents before too, so today we have Advocate Shalu Sharma present on our panel. I have got the opportunity for the first time. Shalu Sharma ji is coming live to talk to us. Please tell us how you see this entire incident. First, give your opening remark to our viewers.
Ji, Utsav, over to you. Thank you, Utsav, you have done this very well. The entire case has been explained to me and to our audience too. Perhaps somewhere else I will get to hear about this incident in such detail. So as you said, if we want to say it in simple words, it is a very unique and rare incident.
After a long time, such incidents keep happening, but at this level, we have seen this incident after a long time, where so many police officers are lathi-charging the advocates and punishing them for their actions. Harassing like this in the workplace means that it is very inhumane, and as it is being said, that it is very violent behavior. Yes, this is very violent behavior that we have seen.
If, like you asked, what are my remarks in this? What is my opening statement? So the answer is, as you know, that all the advocates do 5 years, 3 years LLB, and after a lot of struggle, they get their advocacy license and move ahead in this profession. They want to help people. Help those who have been wronged to get justice, and for this, they have to endure a lot. Even when they are studying, they have to endure a lot. After they finish studying, they move ahead. Even there they have to endure a lot in their professional journey.
But if you think that in someone's workplace, when he is representing a client, where he is demanding justice from a judge, because for us, those who sit on the bench are the embodiment of justice for us. They are the ones who will give justice to us, those who will give justice to our clients. We can only represent them, but the one who is a hope is a judge.
But if instead of giving justice, a judge starts telling the advocates that you are like this or you are like that, or whatever you said, whatever derogatory things we have heard in the video that is circulating, and the scene we saw in Ghaziabad district is very surprising and very shocking because this has never happened before. We usually see small fights, small squabbles, and disagreements between the bar and the bench.
But what has been seen is the scene that you are seeing on the screen, and we too have ever imagined this worst-case scenario in the viral videos that it can happen that while representing a client, I may be arrested by the police officers. I may have to face lathi charge or may have to face a judge. I have protested against this appropriating thing, and they have taken this type of behavior to a very high level, so much so that they have issued their own resolutions and issued their own letters, and they have circulated it on a very large level.
And while supporting it, we saw that the discussion had started from Ghaziabad District and Allahabad Bar Association, Lucknow Bench Bar Association, and even the Supreme Court Bar Association regarding this act which is an inhuman act. They did not like it at all, and they have also brought out a letter and a resolution against it and have demanded the Chief Justice of India to also look into this matter.
In fact, I would like to say that this matter is in the headlines a little bit because here we are seeing two views. First, the lawyers are telling what has happened to them; they are expressing their grief, and all the lawyers have joined there, and protest strikes are going on today on November 4. If you see today, many 1200 associations had said that they are on strike and work will not be resumed. Similarly, we saw it in Allahabad, we saw it in Lucknow, we saw it in Ghaziabad, we saw it even in Delhi. It was found that all the advocates have come together in unity and called a strike, and today no case hearing has taken place. No effective case hearing has taken place; all are on strike.
And if we talk about the opposite, then there is a separate group of judges which is criticizing the action taken against the judges. In their view, wrong has been done to the judges, so we are seeing this scenario with a very divided opinion. Yes, we have seen that today, both the bar and the bench have come face to face, and this is not the case permanently.
There is a cordial relationship between the bar and the bench. Both work hand in hand. Only then will a single justice system be able to function. You told that as a whole, there are different bar associations across the country. Beat Supreme Court Bar Association, Beat Allahabad High Court Bar Association. Many associations are writing in this, above even advocates, about two advocates above all the advocates seen in this video. Above 50 advocates, above 52 advocates, an FIR has been registered.
In the FIR, a very brutal incident happened with the advocate, and charges have been filed against him. Charges of stampede have been filed that he is disturbing the peace. Can we see in the video that someone has seen the advocate disturbing the peace? Whatever video is going viral, and till now in all the videos that have gone viral, we are seeing only the police doing it.
You can see our viewers on the screen. According to which, lathi charge is being made on the lawyers, and an FIR is being filed. On the contrary, the police administration is on the lawyers and tells the lawyers that they are disturbing the peace at their workplace. If you are working at your workplace, then you are disturbing the peace. If you are using your rights in the same way, then you are disturbing the peace.
For this, the Supreme Court Bar Association has come out with a very good resolution. Shalu, we would like to know from you. Tell the audience what points were covered in that resolution. What requests have been made and what are the demands of the Bar Association? After that we will talk again about Allahabad High Court's GG Utsav.
So, as you said, many letters have been circulated from all the Bar Associations on this entire issue. It was demanded at many places that this kind of act is very inhuman and violent, and there should be strict action against it. But the most shocking thing and most of all for the advocates, what you can say is supportive and encouraging is that the Supreme Court Bar Association was also seen coming forward in this and standing in support of the advocates with whom this incident happened.
Then if we talk about whether the SCBA has taken out its resolution or its letter. I will briefly quote his letter resolution in a very simple way. He has made some demands; you can call the demands in this sense. He has said that some essential steps should be taken. In which the first step is that he has asked for an independent judicial inquiry on this entire issue.
He wants an independent judicial body to investigate this entire issue and see whether it was the fault of the advocates or the judges or who started this entire issue. How did this all start so that we can find out the crux, the facts, which are not visible in the videos, but what actually happened. Perhaps they have also included the CCTV footage. He should also be removed so that an impartial inquiry can be conducted, and the entire court proceedings from where this heated incident started can be completed to find out the actual reason why this happened and whose fault it was in the first place.
First of all, it is independent. A judicial inquiry has been demanded; the second demand that has been made is that it has been talked about taking essential steps; it has been said that in this, those who want the District Judge, who have made very pandering statements and words, have spoken to them. And the police officers who entered the courtroom and did lathi charge should be dismissed immediately. They should be dismissed from there; they should be transferred to the judge. The police officers should be dismissed; then this is their second essential demand.
The third one has said that all the advocates who were injured in that lathi charge, the kind of lathi charge that took place, many advocates got injured; many got injured too, so a compensation has been demanded for all those advocates that compensation should be given. Well, you know the compensation that Utsav has caused to him, no monetary compensation will be able to give him any kind of relief because it is not about the physical injury he has faced but it is about what a lawyer practices.
When a lawyer practices his profession and when he represents his client and when he is in the courtroom, then his image is his reputation. If such an incident happens to him, then it is more than a physical injury; it is about the emotional and what you have done in your practice for so many years. This is a big deal; if you call it an injury, then no monetary aspect can give relief to it, but still, you can give relief to them to some extent. A demand for monetary compensation has been made for this.
Then this letter of SCBA has been circulated; along with this, we saw that Ghaziabad Bar Association has filed a writ in Allahabad High Court under Section 26, in which they have clearly issued. It is seen written in the article 'Dignity of Judicial System at Stake and the Members of the Bar Association Ghaziabad have been Brutally Assaulted by the Police.' This is at the disgust of Advocate G Shalu. On what basis was the dignity of the judicial system put on stake?
And actually, we are getting to see it because if we examine the legal concept a little bit, we get to see that not today in 1990, but about 30 decades ago, the judgment of M Mathur vs Pramod Kumar Gupta is in the minds of all of us. We all know how clearly the judiciary was once again reminded of its duty that judicial strength and discipline are very necessary for the orderly administration of justice as they are effective in the army.
The duty of the judge is to retain this humanity, and the function should be the constant theme of our judges. This equality in decision-making is as much necessary for judges to command the respect to protect the independence of the judiciary before the court, as well as to coordinate benches of the state, the executive, and the legislature. If quality fails and neither latent nor public believe that a judge has failed in this quality, it will be neither good for the judge nor for the judicial process.
Shalu M Ma's judgment, which is a landmark judgment in itself, raises a question on the views of the judges and their duties and points the finger that first, you should clear your duties. Along with this, this judgment is in a way shows a mirror in which it is said that if you walk together, you will have to walk hand in hand, taking both the tenant and the advocates along with you. Along with this, this is the red petition file.
The prayer in the red petition, the lawyers have given some no such demand has been made which is an illegal demand or has been made out of our own motive. It is very clear that a very good demand has been made which is necessary and should be met. It has been said that there are so many in the premises; check the CCTV. CCTVs have been installed and if we pay attention to one thing, then we will get to know that till now, no CCTV has come out.
Whether CCTV is there or not, if CCTV has not come out then there was a demand in the pension that CCTV should be taken out. Brother and then the lawyers have protected themselves that we can call the FIR you have registered against us as illegal because, as of now, according to the prevailing circumstances, there is no point in filing a legal FIR, and there is no process against it, and the police. The court should not take any action on this.
Only a writ has been filed with the demands; the writ is not very extensive. After explaining everything very well in the writ, Ghaziabad Bar Association has not asked for any suspension of anyone. They have not asked for anything from anyone; they have said that first save yourself; only then can we make things right, and the judges should follow the judgment of M Mathur and take it as a mirror.
Shalu also saw that AOR association has been formed, and still, Allahabad High Court has released a letter yesterday, covering all the things in a very comprehensive way that contention proceedings are conducted against the lawyers, and it has been separated into three ways.
So Shalu, tell me what is your opinion on this. According to this, Allahabad High Court Bar Association has issued a letter, and in the letter, it has talked about starting containment proceedings against the police officer and anyone else who is involved in this. What is your opinion on them? What is the instance to say?
Yes, Utsav, like you and I have told our viewers till now that in this there is an advocate's side. What is the story, as I said in the beginning that this is an incident that has divided the people; they have even divided the judiciary. So the bar is on one side and the bench is on the other side, so which is a common thing.
Everyone will support their group or community. It has been seen here that where all the bar associations are on one side, the judges' association is on one side. So, just like you said, a judges' association is the Delhi Judicial Service Association, so they have written a letter to the Chief Justice of India.
While writing this letter, they have said that this is an attack on the judiciary, so they have called this incident an attack on the judiciary, which the same advocates also say. While they are saying that this is an attack on us, similarly the judiciary has said that this is an attack on us.
If I specifically quote some words of their letter, then their letter says that while writing to CGI, it says: "True behavior not only shows blight but devastates the judiciary but also undermines the foundational principles of justice, integrity, and impartiality on which India's legal system stands."
So, if you pay attention beyond this, then they have specifically emphasized four to five words, and that is justice, integrity, and impartiality.
So if we understand this from the judges' point of view, then what they mean to say is that what that group of lawyers did to the District Judge in Ghaziabad was not right at all. It is an attack on the judiciary, which is an authority on the judiciary; it is an attack on justice, it is an attack on its integrity, and it is also an attack on impartiality, the principles on which India's legal system runs.
And if we proceed from this, he has further added that any form of personal attack, intimidation, and dissuasion toward a judge is a direct challenge to judicial independence, and threatens the very core of the democratic legal process. So, this is a very big line of the Judicial Association.
The Judiciary Association has said here that if you are commenting on any judge or intimidating him or attacking him, doing a personal attack, or disrespecting him, then he has said this as a direct challenge. This is a direct challenge to the independence of the judiciary and a threat to the democratic legal process that we have.
Then after hearing this, only one question arises in my mind: does this mean that any advocate from today onward, looking at this incident, will he be able to express his views openly in front of a judge in the future? Will he be able to give them his rights, which are his rights, which are the rights of the advocates, who have got so much power that they can represent a client without bias?
Could he present his points in front of a judge after this incident and after reading such a letter that the Judicial Association has sent? Would any advocate stand up for his rights?
Ertiga ji, Shalu, Shalu, two points in this. Because whenever we see today, both the bar and the bench are in front, and both the bar and the bench establish cordial relations, and in some places, this keeps happening. This was a very small incident; the incident was so long, it has been increased. It cannot be increased accordingly, but the assault that has been done on the lawyers is very pathetic.
We also condemn it. Along with the letter written by the judges, if we look at it carefully and read it, it is in a balanced way. It has been written and according to it, it is also said that the lawyer holds a better position. In this, the third paragraph in the letter very clearly says that the lawyer holds a respected and respected position in society, bringing the responsibility to uphold the rule of law and advocate for the client within the bounds and respect of individual and professionalism promise.
This will not only affect the individual but also erode the public trust in our judicial system as a whole. So in a very balanced way, there is a balance to be struck in this letter.
Together we see that this matter has become so big and terrible today; we are not able to understand much difference from it. But if we look at the very root cause, if we look at the root, then it is said that the person standing last in line should also get justice; here the lawyers themselves are demanding justice. Yes, the judge himself is demanding justice, so a question is being raised about this.
Also, if we look at the comments of our viewers, then one of our viewers is Rupam, who is with us in almost all our videos and gives good comments and also guides us. One of his comments is that people are gaining confidence in this, so Rupam keeps telling you that such things happen in the courts. Such things keep happening where there are two conscious and keen, let us say, judge and advocate; it will definitely happen there, and Ghaziabad is one of our conscious courts, so all these things keep happening in it.
But if we look at it from a wide perspective, then our court, which is our judiciary, is working in an integrated way. There are other issues also; we should not judge any one judiciary or any one judicial system by just one issue.
Also, if we see, there was the case of RG Karr. How well CGI has worked for us in the investigative way. If we see, there was a very extensive order in Rae Bareli regarding triple talaq. There was a very extensive order given by the lower court judge there, and if we see nowadays, bail is being given. These days bail has started to be given in our small cases, due to the order given by the Supreme Court. Our Judiciary is also working in a very extensive way.
There has been a lot of banter along with this; this thing has been made a big issue because it was wrong, and we also condemn this act. This act should not have happened because the administration, police administration, is a kind of facilitator, taking the law into their own hands. It is a big thing for him too; whatever has happened these days should not happen.
He is a facilitator; he facilitates, he works side by side, part and parcel, so he should do the same amount of work. By intruding into someone's work, you can baton him. You are charging that this is complete disregard.
Even if the judge said this, he would not have said that you start hitting in the courtroom itself, pick up a chair, pick up two tables, and start throwing. Do all this; all this is government property; you are not taking care of government property at all, and you are also working like a government employee. Along with that, the work of your lawyer and judge is going hand in hand.
If you have got a chance, then you are the one who says that so many cases are happening. I mean, all the policemen I have talked to in my personal life are absolutely frustrated; they are already agitated, and they want a chance to attack the lawyers. We are clearly seeing that the mistake here, which I would personally consider to be the mistake of the policemen, because if the police get the order, it is obvious that the order has been received.
It would not have been said in the order that after coming inside the courtroom, because the court also has integrity. It is the policemen who are raising questions on the integrity of the court. First of all, after entering the court, you will come to someone's workplace and beat him up because he is doing his work.
This is using advocates. Are you using their fundamental rights? You are coming and killing them, taking away their things from court property, taking government property, and throwing it on them and carrying out deadly attacks. This is what I think is the mistake in all this.
It's all the fault of the police officers who got the order. Was it not said in the order that you should come and beat them in the courtroom? You should have caught them only and only, you should have taken them inside peacefully. You should have taken them very lovingly.
You could have said, you could have scooted, you could have told them that you are fine, you can stop, you can go along with them; you could have taken them out by holding hands and told them to stop all this. But as soon as you come inside the courtroom, we are seeing that some policemen have come and stood in front of them and started lathi charge, so what I believe is that it is clearly understood that there is complete negligence of the police administration.
In a way, we would say that the police are always ready to kill lawyers wherever they get a chance, and when they start killing, the only thing in this is that this police were sitting opportunistically, and as soon as the police got the order, they started killing them. Lathi charges with full hands open because we know that if there was a policeman, then immediate action would be taken against him.
They have come in the mob. We are seeing in the video that they are standing in the mob and beating the lawyers. It means that this is a matter of killing by taking advantage of the opportunity. Seeing the opportunity, he tried his hand completely and killed in the open.
According to this, we have seen more photos. There are many photos in the petition. Shalu, I have mainly read the entire petition of the lawyers; in it, blood is coming out from the throat, which means that the lawyers have been attacked. So if we look at the Bar and the Bench, then this is hand in hand and will continue, and these small and big tricks happen in the Supreme Court as well as in the High Court.
And they also happen in small district courts, but this attack which is felicitated in the form of a third party has become functional. When the felicitation becomes functional, it takes time to become anti-functional. It comes like a mob to the police. They have been killed because they know that if one or two come, then action will definitely be taken. The same lawyer will file a separate case in the courtroom in front of the court and summon those policemen, but there was a crowd here; they got the opportunity, and the whole thing happened.
I believe that Shalu has tried his hand, and along with this, there is talk of judicial integrity. It has been completely judicial; this is a very bad example that has been set. This should not have happened, and we expect the Supreme Court from the High Court. We have a lot of expectations from our CGI that we will bring this matter to light as soon as possible and get this matter settled.
Till now, he has done a very good job and will continue to do so. We have a lot of expectations from our courts.
So, end note, would you like to tell the audience that before the Utsav end note, when I was doing this discussion with you, in this video I would like to know that there are many of our users who are our viewers who follow us and are with us in every discussion. So many of their comments have come regarding this issue; at some places, they have given their views, and at some places they have given their questions.
So I would like to take those views and those comments one by one, and if you want, you can add something to it. I can add if any viewer feels that there is an opinion in which you could give some more additions and the beauty with which you led this entire discussion and have kept your views on the discussion. If you can add their comments further, and can you explain it to people better or can you give some of your legal opinion and legal analysis in it, please do so.
One of our users has written that the bench and bar relation must be maintained at all costs, comprehensive investigation is required, and the truth must be revealed appropriately. Letters have been written in the Supreme Court, in the High Court, as well as the Allahabad High Court Bar Association, which has also taken strict steps on this matter in a very good manner. There is a writ filed along with it.
So I have full faith in the judicial integrity of our judiciary. In a way, judicial activism is using activism while maintaining both the relations while maintaining the relation of bar and bench. Whatever cases have happened till date in our courts, there have been many, many cases related to litigation in the country. Questions have been raised about the integrity of the judiciary, and both the bar and the bench have been running it in a very coordinated manner, and no third person, who is a felicitated person, has been allowed to become functional again.
Neither will it be allowed to be made further, so along with this we will have to give some time in a very good way for things to come out, so with that we will get to see a good order in the future.
Ji Ji, another one of our viewers is Dharmendra Singh; he has written that advocate education is limited to Ghaziabad and Sol UP. If you want to give some clarification to Dharmendra Singh ji, we have seen that Allahabad Bar Association, Supreme Court Bar Association, Supreme Court Advocate Record Bar Association, and many other countries of the country. From other corners, the bar had kept the date for agitation on 4th November. Today there was a promise in the court that he will not go to the court today.
Although the work of the Supreme Court cannot be stopped, so it did not stop; it continued. But we have seen more advocates that there has been a lot of agitation; it is happening all over the country. This is not just an incident in UP; it is also happening in different parts of UP. Together we saw the news from Awadh Bar Association. We saw the news from Gautam Nagar Bar Association.
All the Law Chakras on Law Chakra, all the news has been covered very well and comprehensively. Follow us. See us on our page, and Law Chakra has covered it extensively very well. We would rather say that Law Chakra should call advocates like us and discuss these things. It is a very good thing that instead of a journalist calling a lawyer and having a discussion on your platform, this is a big thing and a very good thing in return that on other platforms, we will not talk about them specifically or take their names, but we will see that journalists are called in it.
Instead of calling journalists, lawyers are called who understand the things and put forward the things they understand, and those who understand the legal points are called, and discussion is done. If it is done to Law Chakra and the team, we have also seen that there is an atmosphere of agitation in the entire country.
Shalu, if you are concerned about this thing then the question of the audience has been cleared. G G G Uts, this is another point; this is probably I also had a question which we have not discussed yet, but this question was coming to my mind regarding this whole incident.
Do you think that there should be a separate security force for the advocate community also? It is a very big question of yours. This is an ongoing and very good question, and we have also heard before that many Acts have been passed for this; the bill has been made, and the Advocates Protection Act has been made in which some of the lawyers are unemployed.
Those who are lawyers, I am taking the name of the particular unemployed, but saying I don't want unemployed. By unemployed, I mean that the fresher lawyers who come now do not have work, so also for them, a particular UP Government as well as the Bar Council of India have issued a notification just a few days ago.
The Supreme Court has said that some specific amount should be decided for them also, which they should get, and for their protection, a lodge should be formed for their protection. What is the law? A separate proper statutory functional authority should be formed which will only look after the lawyers. Along with my personal information, it is also believed that if some processes are brought in for the lawyers to safeguard them, so that the lawyers can move ahead by avoiding the third-party organizations, then this very good step will be taken gradually by our judiciary and our government.
The Supreme Court has taken many steps; it is very good for the lawyers; steps are being taken on this, and they will continue to take steps, so the safeguard for the lawyers is moving forward.
GG Utsav. Our mostly comments, some of our similar questions, and your suggestions. So these were some of the questions. Apart from this, mostly people have said that advocates are not puppets in the hands of judges, or one user has said that earlier the advocates used to say that we will see you in the court. Now they say this thing.
If you can't say, then this again reflects all the things that we discussed that this incident has happened; the way the advocates have been treated, so perhaps somewhere I feel that in the advocate community or the young professionals who are just entering this profession, who are on the way to fulfill their dream of moving ahead, but seeing such incidents, I feel that fear has developed somewhere in their minds.
Before putting their words or their statements or their arguments in front of the judge in an authoritative way, they may have to think several times whether they are saying something which may make the judge angry and something will happen to them as well.
If we see similar incidents, then I feel that this entire matter is neither a threat to judicial integrity nor a threat to the advocates, but as far as I feel, it is indirectly affecting our democracy. It is threatening him because the judiciary is a pillar of our democracy, and under the judiciary, the bar and bench work hand in hand and help in providing justice to our common men.
If we see such conflicts, such confessions, or if we see such fights, quarrels, and such an atmosphere, then it is absolutely true that whom a common man trusts, perhaps even he may not be able to come forward because we have so many internal conflicts.
This whole incident has raised a big question mark in the minds of people that what kind of justice will we give to an outsider or a common man?
Yes Shalu, I will have one more small example on this; I will add that along with it, like every, there is a manual for everything. There is a manual for everything; there are rules of the Supreme Court. Along with that, a manual should also be prepared for the judges for an advocate, in which how to behave among themselves.
Obviously, I will not take issue with this. There are no rules of procedure; this Advocate Act proper talks well, it is very extensive and uses it very properly. Advocate Act applies and is applicable to us, and Advocate P is applicable to both the judges and different parties.
There is a law, but along with it, there is a similar jail manual, there is a police manual. Along with that, there should be a manual for the judges also; there is a need for their reform. There should be an advocate's manual, and Shalu, what you said is that the young lawyers who are currently in the profession, for those who are coming, will they be able to present their views carefully or not?
For that, I believe that we have seen in the Supreme Court for a long time that they give a lot of importance to the CGI juniors, which is a very good step, and when CGI is taking such steps, then obviously in our country, which is a court of record, the lower courts have the right to accept what the court of record says.
When CGI has become so grounded and understands things at the ground level, and they are giving opportunities to young advocates, then I believe that the lawyers who are going to the High Court, District Court, and Lower District Court in particular, who are young lawyers, should be given a little more attention and should not be scolded for their strict behavior.
One should not show off so that he can make his advocacy legally sound. Do not work from here and there in advocacy because we see that in the lower court there are a lot of unnecessary interactions, and due to which if a lawyer Atil Anless is working in the court, he is not in a good place; he is not able to rise up.
So for that, young lawyers should be given a chance, and young lawyers should always be given opportunities and encouraged so that they are forced to do good. So that our judicial system, which has been talked about in the letter written by our judges, along with judicial integrity will remain intact and with the addition of bar and bench classes, we will be able to save ourselves from this.
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