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[Music] Okay, I'm Satana. Welcome, P' Chom Chum Kieng. Hello. And this is the first conversation program that I've truly intended. We intended to make this program, the first idea was to talk with two people for a long time, like many episodes. But just now we talked behind the scenes and it seems like it will be about concepts in a single direction, something like that. But okay, it has been developed into an interview program. So this channel name came up, this program name came up as Satana, which means talking with Khun Tcha, something like that. Why do they call me Sa? I play games with Ai George. Playing games, right? Yes, and then, and then at that time, I was playing a game that was about soldiers, the tank. So he called me Sa, Sa, Sa, and it's been like that ever since. It's been a long time, P'. Honestly, I haven't talked to you in a long time either. The last time was going to the sea, going to see P' P' Sattahip. And then we sat at the beach that you took me to. And when I came back and we talked, I felt like, just now we explained about Stoicism, about concepts, right, P'? It's like taking a bath. Can you explain what we just talked about again? This afternoon, while waiting for time before starting, we sat and talked a bit. I asked random things about what I was doing. Actually, I'm barely doing anything, just living life more. Every time I reflect on something in life, I feel like it's like taking a bath once. It's like we can't reflect on something and get that perspective and use it forever. It's not like that, we have to reflect and we have to train ourselves once to be clean once. It doesn't mean being clean in terms of, like, a clean mind, something like that, no. But it means understanding some core things more, and that core will disappear, like when we bathe for a while. Uh, it will get dirty again. There will be things that we have to keep reflecting on. Yes, that's why I asked you, okay, so actually, is your way of life a repetition? Is it about learning these things repeatedly? It's like bathing every day, like people bathing every day. Yes, because I don't believe that once we have the reason and logic for living, then everyone [ __ ] can do it. Uh, everyone [ __ ] has something that is a keyword to live by, to see all the time. But not everyone can make that thing actually translate into behavior for us to follow. Therefore, it becomes that when we want to be something, or we want to live in a certain way. Uh, we have to develop ourselves to be consistent with that concept. For example, I will exercise every day. Uh, everyone knows that exercising every day is good. Uh, it's good. But it's not just knowing, it's being able to do it. It's being able to do it. Yes. Therefore, repetition, which is consistent with Stoicism. Uh, repetition is about bringing ourselves to a habit of doing something like that until one day it becomes a habit. Uh, yes. I've talked to another friend about this too. I said whether it's drugs or exercise, if you do it according to the 3 principles [ __ ], it's the same. Okay [ __ ] [ __ ] can get addicted. Ah, ah, when teenagers drink alcohol for the first time. [ __ ] will be like, you know? Pinch your nose and drink, or it's torture. It's not familiar. It's the same feeling as when you go out for a walk for the first time. Yes, going out for a run. Yes, [ __ ] it hurts so much, like, oh my god, what am I doing? But after that, forcing yourself to do it repeatedly, it will become a habit, and then it's done. Okay, so the first question for today is, what are you getting used to right now? Many things. Getting used to loss. Getting used to non-existence. Getting used to not having oneself. Getting used to not being a part of the world, of society. This is practicing repetition of this, understanding it every day, right, P'? Yes, yes. Telling yourself, you have to stop having, stop doubting, stop caring, something like that? Stop thinking that you, oh, I don't know [ __ ] will be a concept that makes others feel like you have to stop thinking that you will have any impact on the world. Uh, yes. You have to stop thinking that if you don't do something, you will lose something. But there was a saying that said, hey, we are a cog in this world. Yes, that's true. We are a cog in the world. But one, one, you know? One, one, if it stops working, you look at the whole number first. Uh, yes. One of you, how much is it? You know? Uh, how many people are there? And who wants to listen to you? You know? Uh, yes. If not, you can start to lighten up. Don't be sad that your words have no meaning. Because we, we are actually living with this quite a lot, P', in the family, in my house, I mean. Yes. For example, hey, we want to speak something, or we want to express something. This era is like that already. Because this era is where we see channels of thought. We, we type our opinions. Because we think we have to have an opinion. Uh, we have to, we have to participate or comment or express something. Uh, what do you think? What do you see? What are you feeling? You know? Maybe practice being without an opinion, one person, so that the captain can navigate more easily. You know? Uh, there are too many comments. Uh, uh, but that goes against the truth. Everyone wants to say, I think this, this, this. Uh, we have to be driven by that. What can this world be driven by, P'? Where is it going? Where is it going? Living, living together, or human society, how should it proceed? It proceeds on its own. Even if we do nothing, it proceeds on its own. Uh, society has people who want to drive it. Uh-huh. There are people who want to do something. Actually, it's similar to the Chinese and Japanese concepts, where they start to let go and do nothing. You know? Even if there are many such things in the country, the world will still move forward. And those who ask the question might not even understand what the benefit of driving so much is. Right? Because just now, before we started recording the program, uh, I talked to you about this. What I'm doing, or what we're busy with, just now, there was a problem with the microphone not working, had to run here and there. And then we could record. And actually, you said that's a trivial matter. The world is full of trivial matters. Yes, Louis asked why. Why did people in the past sit and think about philosophy? Why did people in the past have time to sit and think, uh, why were we born? Why were we born? Uh, the meaning of life, like, uh, what is the value of life? Why did that sect, this sect, that concept, this concept arise? Yes, and you hypothesized that they probably had nothing trivial to do like in this era. Uh, that's all. No other stimuli. No other stimuli. So I'll just say, okay, in this era, we will talk, we will, we will just talk, we will just talk. We need a recording system, we need lighting, we need staging. People in the past ate, then went to find food, sat under a tree, grilled food, ate a bite each, then smoked tobacco, looked at the sky, thinking what is life? Like, they didn't have to sit and think, hey, did you send this leaf? Be careful, it's late. Be careful about this, this. Did you fix that? Did you pick that up? Or something like that? The things we have to do are crowding out the core of our lives. Uh-huh. That's all. That's why we don't ask what life is, but we ask if we'll make it on time. Will it be finished today? Will it be finished? Will it work? Uh, yes, something like that. Because, because actually, the core is talking. Okay, it's just that it's not recorded, no one sees it, which is actually not the important thing. The important thing about talking. Yes. Uh, they say content is king. Uh, so talking is content of the best quality. But it still loses to content. Uh, it still loses to the core, what is the core? Uh, you, you, you, you, the picture is beautiful, but what are you doing? You know? Uh, something like that. The picture is beautiful, the video is beautiful, but what's inside it? What? Uh, if so, I'll just look at lasers shooting into my eyes. You know, it's beautiful. Yes, it's beautiful. Therefore, it's a disease driven by what Louis said. Uh, if so, it means we might be driven by a lot of triviality. But triviality then becomes substance again. It becomes substance, like Stoicism, again. Uh, yes. It's evolution. Or if you, if the whole world likes triviality, you have to make trivial things have substance. You know? Make trivial things have higher quality. Uh, yes. Does it have to do with convenience devices? That it's trivial. Because actually, let's say we can wash clothes, and we have, let's say we look at it from the perspective of ordinary people. It's not trivial because it provides convenience. It provides convenience. So you have to ask, what happens to life after convenience? Uh, if you answer the question, after you are convenient, my life becomes easier. Oh, I have no negative consequences. Uh, that's good. That's not that trivial. But it's usually not like that, right? When we are most convenient, there are always some negative consequences. For example, obesity. You know? Let's say, let's say convenience is an elevator. An elevator, we don't have to climb 7 or 10 floors. We don't have to walk. There's an elevator. Uh, so we don't exercise. Uh, but everyone might think that's too much. But it's true. Uh, when you are very convenient, extremely convenient, there will be some effects in terms of not having to struggle. You know? The effect of not struggling. The effect of not struggling. Yes. For example, everyone does it, never do it themselves, don't know how to do it. This is simple, simple, don't know how to do it. Yes, of course, because there is, let's say, since birth, never washed dishes, never washed clothes myself, don't know how to wash dishes, don't know how to wash clothes, don't know how to fold clothes. Uh, it's the effect of not having done it yourself or overcome it yourself. Okay, do we have to talk about these things again? I understand, but actually, these things should be understood. Uh, I understand, but it's an effect we've heard for a long time. That means, okay, there will be, hey, why are children raised spoiled, pampered? Because before, we also talked about this, P' Chom has children, right? P' Chom has 2 children. 2 children. How do you raise your children? I don't see them as children. I have to preface this by saying it's just one person's opinion. Disclaimer. It's just one person's opinion. Like, I don't think like you. I'm very happy. I don't want anyone to think the same way. Uh, but I don't see parents and children as parents and children. I see it as a contract. You know? I see it as a contract. If you study philosophy or Buddhism or something, you'll understand. That status is also a construct. Uh, yes. I think when we are about to disappear from the world, we create, we divide ourselves into children, that's all. Uh, and our children will learn everything the same way we learn, and we will pass on all the resources we have created to our children. This is the simple principle. Uh, raising children is. If they ask, we answer. If they don't ask, we don't answer. We don't try to call them to listen to orders. Uh, we let them face problems, and then they bring those problems to ask us, and then we answer. Yes, it has to be processed like this. If it's like, I won't let it happen. P' Chom understands this method, so I want to ask you, hey, aren't you worried about people? Or does it cause worry? Okay, let's go back to just now. That actually, the sentence P' Chom said, we don't see ourselves as parents, children, siblings, or relatives. Actually, it's a division. This is, if we look at it scientifically, it's like cell division. Right? And we are not owners of each other. Scientifically speaking, we are not divided. You know? Uh, but yes, the characteristic is that we are not owners of each other. Uh-huh. We have life paths that have to go through things 1, 2, 3, 4, up to 100, the same. Uh, but we've gone through 1 to 50, and we think our children shouldn't have to go through 10, 20. Uh, let's say 10, 20 are very bad things, extremely dangerous things, we don't want them to encounter. Yes, but we feel strong because of these things. Because of these things, 10, 20. Uh, but we try to remove 10, 20 from their lives. Uh, to make them weaker and not as capable as us. Is that right? Uh, it's, uh, it's what we say, if we raise them comfortably, they won't know how to do things. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's the experience they should have. Yes, that's my opinion. Uh, not like, I'm not forcing anyone. Uh, I don't want anyone to do it. There's nothing wrong or right. But everything now, the children are strong and happy, have space, have things, and have room for them to try to do things, and we respond to that completely. That's all. So, actually, the danger of people, of living, is trying to control something, right, P'? Of course. It's the feeling that this is my child, this is mine, and we try to protect them as much as possible without wanting them to encounter bad things. There's a universal principle that I believe in, which is the quantity that causes problems. Uh, in this world, there are few problems if the quantity is correct. Quantity, uh, is correct. Uh, for example, let's say we take care of our children. How much care? Like possessive, dominating care? How many levels are there? Let it go completely, to the maximum, or like, whatever you do, I don't care, I don't help, I don't interfere, I don't ask, I don't do anything, I don't even come home. Father doesn't come home. Father doesn't know where he is. That's too low a quantity. Uh, it's too much of a problem. Look, you have to do as I want, you can't do this, you can't do that. This is too much. Therefore, anything in the world where the quantity is wrong. Uh, too much or too little. It's a problem. So it's a line that should be a balanced line. Yes, in the end, it's about balance. There's nothing more complicated than that. Simple, like that. Yes. Now, what I asked you back, what are you doing right now? I'm in Sattahip. Yes. And I'm repeating this. It's like watching. Right? Before this, I've participated in discussions with society for a while, right? Uh, uh. P' used to, uh, paint, be an artist, do computer graphics. Uh, and from the first time I knew P' Chom, it was since childhood. I saw P' Chom as an artist. At that time, he was a graphic designer who was like a separate style for each person. Each person at that time became famous, and was an artist. And at that time, P' Chom was a graphic designer at Mamie from that time, from the era of skating, that era, yes. So it continued. I worked and tried to promote my work. In society, and I found artistic disappointment. That the essence of it, it's not really anything. Uh, the essence of art is not exciting or anything that we are interested in later, not at that time. Uh, because if so, going back to that time, you truly believed in what you were doing? Like, how did you feel about doing art, graphic design? At that time, I felt that I liked the exquisite beauty. That I saw and started to practice mastery until I could do it well. Uh, but after I became proficient, I started trying to convey my thoughts. Yes. And after that, I started trying to develop it by creating a style. Uh, the difference in my work is a process. [ __ ] [ __ ] very normal. It's been a journey like this, continuously. Uh, very normal, continuously. Searching for a style, searching for my own direction. Until finally, until finally, I sat and thought again, and what is important? Did this journey take a long time, P'? Until reaching the question, and what is important? It's important to life, right? Yes, yes. Did it take a long time? It took a long time. There were hints along the way. When I was doing something, I found that this gives value here, it gives value there. And I felt like, why am I valuing these things? Why don't I value those things instead? Until finally, I felt that what I understood since childhood, that you convey certain content with mastery, and you will be successful. Uh, it's not true. You know? Why does art still exist? Or is there still some value given? Value from what? Uh, but finally, I started to be interested in philosophy and felt that I started to be interested in philosophy, biology, history. I started observing the existence of art in humanity. Uh, where it came from. In the West, it came from the patronage of the wealthy. Uh, of lords, of noble houses, hiring artists to create works. Yes, and most of the art at that time was about painting portraits of nobles and families. Uh, okay, and then it developed in the West. The East was about serving religion. Uh, art made according to beliefs, art made for religious legends, stories in texts, in lessons. Uh, and even I became interested in psychology, why people are impressed by something. Uh, creating impact, affecting people's minds, and the impact on people's minds from that impact, in turn, creates value for the work or what. In the end, it's about people. It's because it's about people, and that's why I got bored with people. Uh, it's because when I started studying philosophy or concepts, it's like stripping things away. Yes, it starts to cover, it starts to cover the sciences that I used to like without reason before. Uh, like, let's say, we are talking about what you said, this is what you believed from the beginning. That means, about doing art, about things. And when this path continues, and it strips away more and more, when it truly clashes, is it confusing? Do you feel like, wow, I've been doing this for so long? You know, it's not that important. You know, it's not that important that our change in thinking becomes a big deal. It's not like that. We are just people who understand something earlier. Uh, and then at some point, we understand it differently. It's like we see a wider picture. We step back and see that what we're doing is just that. Yes, it feels like playing football with friends when we were kids, and then we cry when we lose. Uh, and then when we grow up, we're like, why is my friend crying? You know? Uh, it's not that important, is it? It's just playing football after school. You know? Uh, it's something like that. Like the attitude of our focus at that time. We had a very narrow understanding, so we felt a lot about it. We want to be the real player, you know? Uh, football, after-school football. We want to be the real player in the school football team. And we thought it was everything in life. You know? Uh, and then when we know more, when we see the world more broadly, we feel like, I don't know why I'm kicking anymore, or what. Uh, but now, as it strips away more and more, right, P'? But we can still, actually, we don't have to abandon it. We don't have to. We can still be with it. Because now you are still creating works, creating things like that. And we have mastery. Yes. Which mastery can be a profession, that's all. But now it means it might not be, it might not be, what do you call it, not feel like it was when we were teenagers. It's not interesting. Uh-huh. Honestly, it's not interesting. But hey, P', P' is good at drawing. I want you to draw this for me. Can you draw it? I can draw it. Yes, it's not something that requires thought. It's not something that requires feeling. Uh, it's not something that requires finding an answer like, what is it? Uh, yes. I still feel like it's in, for me, it's in the path where I'm still regretting it, perhaps. Meaning, if, if, I really wanted to be an advertising director. So I became one. I became one. But after becoming one, I have the same feeling about this path as you do. But to abandon it, or to feel that its value has disappeared, is still on the path where I'm still regretting it, perhaps. If I ask Louis directly, when Louis creates an advertisement, or an MV, or anything like that. Uh, is it Louis's thing? This is what I regret. Yes, this is what I regret. I feel like, in the end, we only use mastery. Yes. Even mastery in creating works, or even mastery in creating concepts, or ways of thinking that are masterful in, uh, creating works. Everything [ __ ] is purely mastery. It doesn't require finding meaning. Uh, or even experimenting with new techniques. Mastery in changing, uh, or adapting to certain techniques that we've never done. That's also mastery. It's just that we have to remove the emotion from mastery and use it separately. Right? Because now, if we, most people, I mean, I'm one of the majority who feels that putting emotion into it hurts a lot. P' might have dug soil by holding a shovel tightly. Uh, and digging down with, like, [ __ ], deep, deep, of course. Hands are broken. Uh, and you're like, why is it so painful? Uh, it's the same as when Louis puts emotion into it, right? Yes. But when P' starts using mastery, uh, it's not deeper than using the earth's gravity. Like holding the shovel loosely and then, uh, yes. Deep, deep. The same thing happens. The same thing happens. It's just that there's no need for emotion. No need for emotion. You can do it better without emotion. This, this is what P' is living with. That not having emotion means not getting hurt, not feeling pain. You can do it better. The nature of work, mostly, uses emotion only when thinking about the concept. Uh, at the beginning. Uh, as an idea. We use a little emotion in creating the concept. But when we actually work, we don't use emotion. P' doesn't use it. I don't know if others use it. Uh, but P' doesn't use emotion in work because the concept is already written, and the concept is created by emotion. Well, if so, artists who use a lot of emotion in creating works. So, that's good. That's fine. Do whatever they believe. We are sitting here, as I said, it's just P's perspective. Yes, I understand it, but it's not important. In the end, it might result in a work that is created, just that the process is different. Yes. If you don't feel pain, it doesn't hurt. Uh, because I think I'm on that path, the path of pain. The path where I feel, oh, it's starting, it's starting, I'm letting go, I'm looking, and I can see that, hey, actually, what I'm creating is not entirely mine. I'm just using my skills. But I can't turn away yet. So I feel regret for this team, that it's not as I hoped. What happens first? Right? What happens? It's a misunderstanding. It's not as hoped. What happens? What do you hope it will be? And is that point of hope valuable enough that when P' strips away those things from what he liked since childhood, like making art or something, and then when he turns to it, it's like it's already ingrained, right? There's no pain during the stripping process. When we carry it, versus when we let go. When we let go, the team nods. When we let go, it feels better. It feels better. Yes, when we let go, it feels better. When we carry it, don't let even a single [ __ ] fall. It's heavier sometimes. People [ __ ] talk without talking about the truth. Do you understand? Uh, no, no. In your head, you know what it is. But you're okay. For example, in my head, I know what it is. But there's still this feeling that they like it this way, they want it to be like this. Shouldn't it be like that? Ah, because of that, it becomes something that I feel like asking you. That is, you said there's no real reason for doing something. Meaning, I feel like I can stand because when I do something, I need a reason and logic to support it, like a plug that needs to be connected correctly for it to work. Most people are flexible. Today they want one thing, and after a while, their goal changes. Uh, it's a normal human thing. Because humans have no fixed place. That the word "human" actually has no fixed place. They will be chaotic until the end, and then they will flee to peace, and then they will become chaotic again. They will flee to peace. Everything will jump back and forth all the time because there is no point. Let's say we expect to have money and then we will be comfortable. You have to try it. If you have money and are comfortable, congratulations. But personally, I don't believe that. I believe that humans cannot take anything away from their daily routine. For example, I used to say, if I had money, I wouldn't have to work so hard. I would just lie down and have enough to eat and spend. You have to watch interviews with rich people. They also, no one can just lie around. If we lie down all day, from morning to evening, for years, we will know the disadvantages. Uh, illnesses, or whatever. In the end, we will have to have gyms, fitness centers, so that we can go, go struggle. Go struggle. Yes, sweat, lift, force yourself to fight. It's the same as saying, lift more, so you get paid more today, for the poor. Or, yes. But okay, the reward might be different. Rich people might not worry about these things. But not worrying also has disadvantages in what they get. Uh, you know? Uh, or having food. Poor people go hungry. Rich people also have to go hungry by doing IF, to lose weight, or something. Because they also cannot remove fasting from their lives. Because if they eat every meal and eat to the maximum every meal, as they dreamed, they will also fall apart. Because humans cannot take anything away from themselves, whether it's tiredness, hunger, loneliness, or anything else. Rich and lonely, rich and lonely. Uh, yes. Poor are happy, rich are happy. Poor are worried, rich are worried. I believe that. But it's okay if others don't believe it. This is a disclaimer. We are talking from the perspective of, I want to ask P' Chom, in your perspective, how do you explain these things? I'm afraid it will affect other people's beliefs. And it's your perspective, P' Chom, that we were just discussing. I want to find the answer about stepping back and looking at what the real reason is. Meaning, for example, what am I actually doing this for? But we are standing on the basis of working for attention or something. But actually, behind the scenes, I told you that you can ask people why they work. Is it to earn money to spend? Stepping back and looking. In the end, it's about the hidden reason, right? That you told me. Because if we see the true essence of our thoughts, we have to find that deep reason first. P' observes people and feels that most of them don't understand why they do certain things. Uh, sometimes each person has an image of themselves, like, I want to become this person, so that I can be like this person, or whatever. But when we try to find the real reason why we do something, it's hard to find. It's hard to find what the real reason is. Yes, if they say they do it because they want money, let's create an environment where they get money. Like, let them stay in a room and throw money into the room. Keep throwing it in. And they say, hey, it's not like this. Uh, I want money, but not like this. Wow, what do they want to do with the money? Let's say it's an experimental problem. A Miss Beat program. Let's say it's a problem: you got what you wanted. But why are you still not satisfied? They will say further, I want freedom too. Freedom, use money to use it. Okay, we answer two of their needs: they get to use money, and they have freedom. But let's say what they do, no one likes it. Uh, you know? Everyone hates them, everyone curses them. Let's say they robbed a bank. And it made the news. And they fought in court, and they were not guilty. That money. Let's just assume. They have money and freedom to live, but no one likes them, no one welcomes them. Everyone hates them. Anyone who eats with them doesn't want to associate with you. You know? So the goal will be added: it must have money, and freedom, and everyone should treat me well. You know? You expand the scope of the goal more and more, until you understand what you really want. Uh-huh. And how do people find this answer? Just now, there was an example you gave. Let's say, let me make a movie. Uh, make the movie I want to make. Uh, lighting, colors, characters, thoughts, acting, everything as I want it to be. Uh, wow. Perfect. 100% perfect, what I want to convey. Challenging. But no one stands up and applauds. No one likes it, shares it, no one is interested. I ask, is Louis fulfilled? You know? Deep down, if I answer truthfully, no. Uh, because, therefore, what is Louis's goal? It's probably to gain acceptance for this idea. Uh, let's say, let's say it's about acceptance. We might see that as applause. Uh, but the movie [ __ ]. Uh, uh, the movie is terrible. I don't want this. But people [ __ ]. But people stand up and applaud. They really like this movie. It's amazing. Louis has gained acceptance. Are you fulfilled? Yes, fulfilled. Yes, maybe fulfilled. But I don't know how I feel about the movie either. In the end, you have to ask yourself. Try experimenting often. If so, do I like it? And if so, do I like it? And if so, if so, that's finding the right plug in our thoughts. We will know ourselves, and we will know where we want to stand in the end, and we will do it more correctly. Uh, but most people don't understand what they want, unless they actually get there. Yes, because, okay, like the experiment I talked to you about. It's like, let's say we see it as practice. We can imagine that if I have to cut my hair in a fried egg style. If we imagine cutting our hair in a fried egg style, against our feelings, can we accept it? Can we accept it without proving it to others? That's self-proving, creating an experience in the mind. Right? Yes, it can be done. But overall, it must not cause tension in life first. You know? Uh-huh. Otherwise, it will become someone who overthinks, like, can't stop thinking. And if not thinking causes harm, if it causes heat to us, it will be a disadvantage. Thinking a lot without causing heat to our engine. Uh, we can simulate situations in our heads continuously, with the principle that it's fun. Sometimes thinking a lot causes problems. Believe in your own thoughts. Yes, when you think a lot and it causes problems, it's not good. But if you think a lot and it doesn't cause problems, it's experimentation. It shows that your brain is consistent with its operating characteristics. You know? Uh, P', what kind of experiences do you practice every day? Asking questions, finding answers, asking questions, finding answers, continuously. Uh, asking questions, making hypotheses, asking why we do this, why we do it. Making hypotheses that it's for that reason. Making hypotheses, the answer is for that reason. Making hypotheses, and if we get it without [ __ ]? Let's try a situation. Let's say, we want to be rich. We want to be rich. We want to be rich. We ask why we want to be rich. There are hypotheses that follow: to make life more comfortable. Uh, if we are rich, we will be able to do this, this, this. If we are rich, we will buy a good house for the family. I don't know. Let's just assume. Yes, and then it will lead to simulating situations where if we are rich and cannot do this. You know? Cannot do this, ask for help from no one, no one wants to help us, or talk to anyone, no one wants to talk to us, or order anyone, no one follows us. Uh, if we are rich and cannot do these things, is that wealth still what we want? You know? Uh-huh. Uh, let's say that wealth is no longer what we want. Because, essentially, what do we really want? We might want, uh, acceptance or friendship instead. Let's say P' is not rich, let's say P' has no money. Uh, and P' goes into a restaurant, and they give P' food to eat without needing money. So money is not necessary. Money is a variable that is removed from the entire process. Or standing on the side of the road and wanting to go home, and having no money. And someone drives up, stops, and says, P', get in, where is your house? I'll take you. Money is a variable that is removed. But it interferes with everything because, actually, it works. It's useful. You know? Uh, so we want to be rich. Thinking from head to tail, and then thinking from tail back to head again. In the end, we don't want wealth. We want a quality of life. A good quality of life. Understand. Uh, but in today's society, a good quality of life [ __ ] has a price. It has a price. It has a price to buy, a price to pay. In the end, we get closer and closer to our true desires until we know, hey, what are the ways to get to the destination without going through all this trouble? Uh, I don't know if you've tested it. Or, I, when I sit and think about this, P', I feel that the questions we just asked, actually, if I say what I want in my work today, I think I have to go back and practice this first. Because I might feel that what I'm doing is about drive, passion, or inner expression. But deep down, there might be a real reason in it. That the entertainment industry might be like this. Being prominent or being, yes, it's a war for attention. Uh, today we are measured by algorithms. It's gone too far. Yes, whether it's good, [ __ ], if people are interested, it's a win. Yes, and on the feed today, it's like that. Whether it's drama, good or bad, I don't know, but if there's a spotlight, it's a win. Uh, if you look at the result, yes. Uh, yes. I feel like, okay, everyone, everyone wants to pay to watch a serial killer. Or does everyone want to pay to watch someone with a PhD in engineering? That's it. They will pay because they are interested in what's here. Who, if we compare them, we don't know why we would watch an engineer. So, congratulations on your success in life. Uh, but we want to see the face of that [ __ ] who has done bad things all along. When talking about these things, it will clash with society, like, the world is like that, it's never good. Uh, this is a disclaimer. The world is never good. P'. We are talking facts. We are talking facts. The world is like this. The world is like this. Until we have to go back and ask questions from childhood, why did they teach us to do that? Even though in reality, P', I think you've probably read that at one point they said, in the end, the person who taught us not to cheat is the one who cheats the most. Uh, let's talk facts. They should have told me from the beginning. Otherwise, I might not have cheated. Because I'm happy to do so. Uh, I might have other motivations to do good, not to say that doing good will work. They say, if you do good, your heart will be happy. But you don't want to compete with anyone anymore. Uh, we've been beating around the bush all along, meaning even in teaching small things, like being a good person, and in the end, in some stories, at the end, it will be like, success, a lot of money as a reward. The lion and the mouse. The mouse bites the rope. The lion thanks it. Helps it later. In reality, there's no [ __ ]. The lion goes one way, the mouse goes the other. Right? Yes. Why don't we talk like this? The mouse, the mouse, just walks around happily. But what it gets is pride in itself, like, wow, this person, this person helped. That's all. Maybe just that. But goes home with fulfillment. The lion might be like, who knows I was helped by a mouse? I'm so embarrassed. Maybe it goes home with a heavy heart. Sometimes the truth might just be that. Yes. Uh, we've been beating around the bush, as you said, P'. You teach your children about reason and logic. What is it really? And actually, children can accept it. Especially modern children, they can accept it very well. Yes. We don't need to say, um, because it's like this, if you do it, it will be, um. We, we tend to beat around the bush. This policy might be, uh, it might become less important over time. While in an era where information is easier to see, information is abundant. We grew up differently in each era. There's a culture shock for each era. And we have to shock our grandparents. Why do you act like this? Grandparents are shocked. Why do parents act like this? Parents are shocked. Why do children act like this? We, we are children. We have children, and we are shocked. Why are our children so hardcore? No, actually, they've just jumped to another level. And the new generation will live like that without understanding what happened before. Because the environment changes with time, right, P'? Yes. But we cling to our past experiences, so we think the world must be like what we experienced. But there might be overlaps. Each era doesn't completely change. There will be progressive and conservative people in the same era. So, coming back to the matter of, in the end, what we used to believe was our spirit or something, creating works or whatever. It can be done. Will it change one day? If society believes that trivial things are real, it's real. Yes, yes. It's true. If the majority sees it as true, it will be true. Yes, because the world says it's true, so it will be true. Uh, but there are two ways to measure: 1. Measure with society. Uh, that's true. But if you measure with nature, measure with truth, measure with the way the world works, it will immediately tell you it's not true. For example, Louis is lying on a bed that is a machine. Uh-huh. And the bed lifts up in the morning. Uh, food comes, a robot scoops it up. An AI projects what Louis wants to watch onto the screen. Lying down, any feeling, the robot responds. You know? Whether it's this or that. In terms of society, if they see that as, [ __ ], incredibly cool. Uh-huh. It's true, it's cool. It's really cool. Uh, but nature [ __ ] will tell you itself, like, hey, you're starting to get bumps. Uh, that spot is starting to get pressure sores. You're starting to get bedsores. Uh, nature [ __ ] doesn't say it's cool. As I said, we will have to go out and exercise anyway. In the end, when we can't choose, until we can choose, we have to go back and choose what we didn't choose before. When we didn't choose it. We couldn't choose. We couldn't choose. We had to do it. We had to do it until we developed to the point where we chose not to do it. Not to have it. Uh, finally. Until we develop to the point where we choose to do the same thing we didn't choose before. It's a form of learning, right? I think it's learning. That in the end, we'll be old by then. Yes. By then, we'll be old. Go ask the elders, and they will say something like that. Young people will be like, hey. There's something I posted on Facebook: listen to opinions from children under a certain age, and those who are close to death. The rest are just shells. Sometimes don't take anything from them. I don't know. I want to know what this explains. Before we get to that, can I have this? My Facebook is a personal profile. It's not a page. Yes. I feel like, I'll use it like a page. I'm just one person in the world who sees something and wants to type it. I just post my thoughts at a certain moment and then let it go. Yes, sometimes it's like what we think at that moment, and it's really like that. I didn't intend to create content for anyone to consume or anything. It's just, not running it as a content page or anything. But okay, I'm just interested in this sentence. So don't ask for the truth from it. Yes, I'm probably just interested in this sentence: why does it have to be a child, not what? 5 years old? Not more than that. If we put it simply, it's to ask from what someone who has just entered the game sees. And someone who is about to leave the game sees. What do they see? What will they feel from someone who is new? They will speak without anything covering them. No framework, no ideology, nothing that affects their mind. So they will speak directly. Why, why isn't Louis doing this? Uh, why isn't the house shaped like a balloon? Yes, because they just entered the game, and they see that Louis is stuck with a problem, and they see the solution immediately because they have nothing covering them. Why isn't Louis solving the problem like this? We will [ __ ] Why have I never seen that? That's one thing. And another person who is about to leave the game is someone who will die in a few years, count them. They will start letting go of everything. You know? They will know that this has no value, this has no value, this has no value. If you go back, nothing has value anymore. If you go back, I wouldn't do this because it's useless. Therefore, when they see Louis having a problem, they will turn back and tell Louis, why don't you do that, child? You know? Don't take it too seriously. It's not that important. What you want to do, that's it. This is the meaning. Look from the eyes of someone who has just entered the game and someone who is about to leave the game. We will see what the essence of the game is. But people in the game [ __ ] don't know it's a game. Yes, because we are boiling, searching for something in life. Boiling. But then, P's thing is to practice so that P' doesn't have to be someone who is about to leave the game, but to practice leaving the game. I want to achieve that. I want to look at my existence from the perspective of someone who has just entered and someone who has just left. So I will know that it's not that serious. Crying, what the [ __ ] is wrong? It's okay. You know? Tell yourself. It's over. Because when we are about to die, we will feel like, what, a hundred thousand rooms. You know? If we are in the game and like, [ __ ], why are you holding on so tightly? But if I'm on an IV drip, the doctor says, you have 5 days left. Lying down, the enemy falls. [ __ ] Yes, yes. It's like, [ __ ], don't tell me. Just give me the channel. [ __ ]. I have 5 days left, I'm leaving. Yes. We talked about a sentence in Buddhism: the knower, the awakened, the joyful. And P' said, now P' understands the word "joyful." Before that, okay, we understand what the knower is, what the awakened is. What is the joyful? But P' said, have I reached that point now? Before, when I heard it, I really thought so. Uh, am I not disciplined? Or say, what is joyful? Knowing, awakening, and then, oh, something like that. But it's not like that. It's a feeling of inner contentment. Uh, whether you get it or not, enjoy it. You know? Like Louis now, Louis won't understand how much someone [ __ ] wants to see. Let's say, uh, uh, a blind person who wants to see. Louis will never be able to feel their joy when they see. Never understand. Because no one takes that away from us. We are born, we can do everything. Or someone with two missing legs. Uh, who has to bother others to go anywhere, and it's difficult, and it's not satisfactory. But someone who is full, joyful, for P', is someone who sees, hey, happy to be alive. You know? Uh, lucky that I'm still alive. Lucky that this thing is still complete. Lucky that I can walk on the street and look at the clouds, look at the sky. Lucky that I can move. Lucky that I can see light, see water, see people. Lucky that I am alive. For P', when that state occurs, I truly feel like, [ __ ], why do I need so much? You know? I understand the concept. But that's it. For you, it's about experiencing inner contentment. That you truly understand it. Today, looking at a cracked house, well, it's cracked. It's normal. According to its lifespan. Yes. It's on the earth. The earth is not that stable. A house can last 100 years. Wow, that's great. You know? I won't even live to see the house. And this word "not living to see," this word "death." [ __ ] must truly understand what death is. Uh, what is death? If you truly understand what death is, you will understand that it's the end. It's truly the end. It's like switching off the light. It's the end of the movie, and it's truly the end. Uh, it's not like asking for a little more. Almost finished, ask for a little more. There will be end credits. No. No. Death is truly death. If you reflect on death often until you understand that when the time comes, it will close, like we know we are going into an exam, and we will have 1 hour to do the exam. And we understand that 1 hour is 1 hour. We will manage our time within that 1 hour. We will know that bringing half a pencil is enough. We won't try to find as many pencils as possible to do the exam better or more. Uh, managing things within the knowledge of the total time will make us lighter. Uh, do you understand? Do you see the picture? Yes. Let's say, I'm afraid it will be too long. Finally, P'. Let's say people who have to live in between, like us, are still on the middle path. What do you want? What do you want them to practice? Actually, P' doesn't want, P' doesn't want. I understand. But if they can practice, what kind of practice? There's no practice that works for everyone. Uh, no. It depends on their state. The main principle is simple: if people encounter suffering, they will start asking questions. People who seek philosophy, religion, or the meaning of life are usually people who have experienced severe suffering. Observe it. That's when they start looking for, hey, why is life like this? A loved one leaves. You held onto a loved one, but they left. So you look for what else can be held onto. Or you held onto friendship, and one day someone stabs you in the back. Hey, what can be held onto? Or you held onto money, held onto something, and lost it. So you look for, hey, what can be held onto? Therefore, for P', there is nothing more valuable than understanding. Find our understanding. If we understand, let's say we understand that this game has nothing left, and we play with understanding, we will be happy playing. Or we understand that this game has nothing left, and we won't play it, and we will be happy not playing. You know? In the end, understanding will make us live in the game without the most suffering or the most happiness. Uh, it's a balanced state in the middle. This is a difficult episode, I say frankly. This is quite an episode. I think I asked fewer questions and spent a lot of time thinking for this episode. It's okay. It doesn't have to be fun. It doesn't have to be understood completely. Yes. It's actually that. This is, as I said, I wanted to talk with Uncle Chom like this. And it's like we've taken a bath, as I said, like refreshing our thoughts or thinking again. And I will go back to practice something again for a while. But I think, now that we are here, I might not practice it every day. I might not do it every day. And the environment will pull me away. One day, I will have to wash again. If I have time, I want to practice thinking, practicing like this. Because they call these people travelers. Uh, because if they have reached the destination, we don't see them anymore. Uh, but we still see them because everyone is a traveler. People who question life, people who try to find meaning, people who ponder hypotheses, find answers. Everyone is traveling towards the point of their own understanding. But in the end, when they reach it, when they realize it, we won't see them anymore. Therefore, everyone we see who values finding the meaning of life or questioning our existence, etc. Yes, it's just people who are traveling. The same as P'. P' is also traveling. Just want to know, why do I keep doing these things? Why do I keep doing those things? Why do I keep repeating mistakes, getting hurt, forgetting, wanting to make mistakes, getting hurt, forgetting, wanting to make mistakes, getting hurt, repeating, repeating, repeating? Why? Thinking this is valuable, jumping to grab this. This is not valuable, jumping to grab this. This is not valuable. What is valuable? You know? Just want to know, just interested. And when we get the effect from it, when knowledge turns into understanding,
Understanding turns into behavior when behavior turns into habit [ __ ] can. So some things feel like [ __ ] really good. That's all. Anyway, this is the story of one traveler, and I am the traveler who comes to ask what this traveler encountered. We have disclaimed here. This is P' Chom's perspective or personal viewpoint. Therefore, consider it as sharing experiences with each other. Listen casually, listen enjoyably. But I think there will be opportunities to invite Nua to talk again and again. I don't know, I'll try to think. I think there will definitely be many more things I want to discuss with P' Chom later. Right? Okay, so that's about it for today. Please like, share, and subscribe. This request is another expectation. Uh, this is the work part. Uh, let's say it's the work part. Okay, that's all for now. See you next time. Goodbye. [Music]