Kanye West On "Donda," Drake, Marriage W/ Kim Kardashian, His Legendary Career & More | Drink Champs

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When me and EFN started this show, we always looked at rappers, or we always looked at certain people as superheroes or supermen. This guy standing to the left of me is not only a superhero, a superman, a super genius, a super music icon, but he's also a fashion icon. He's also a visionary. He's also a person who speaks things into existence. I remember he said, "You don't know House way," and we figured out he didn't know how swift. In case you don't know who we talk about, because we talk about—this is—this going to be Drink Champs' biggest episode ever. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that. Sorry to anybody else who's ever been on this table in this place. This is going to be the biggest. In case you don't know the [ __ ] we talking about, we talking about the artist formally known as Kanye, and he's just now—yeah, goddamn it! [Applause]

So, so let me get this right: you ain't got a last name or first name, just got a name, right? Don't even know what to say. That [ __ ] is hard. Just yet. [Applause] Yo, yo, yo. I thank you so much, man, because on the real real, I know you don't have to do this. Um, you had a level in your life where it seems like you're free. It sounds like you just feel like you're free. You're doing—you really showed up with no security, and I had to get security for you. I'm sorry. I just said, no, I just can't let you walk around like that because we're gonna kill somebody. Somebody [ __ ] with you. I'm just doing it out there. I'm just throwing it out there. So sorry. We left that—we left that um, life. But um, how is it like—how is it like? What's—what's going on in your life? It's just because I heard you told me on the phone the other day, you said you don't even—you're not even—you don't even have a house. That's how rich you are. You don't even have a house. How is that?

Yeah, you know, I'll restore houses. I'm very into architecture, but I'm just—I'm not into the—the class system where it's like—what? That's one of the main things they used to control us. I think my whole existence is about not being out of control, but being out of their control, being in control of yourself. So house is the first thing that they give you that—your entire existence—when I look out at the skyscrapers in New York, I'm like, everybody that's in all those buildings, spending that time away from their family, working—one of the main things—the main thing is the idea of a house—security. Yeah, security. Because I remember saying—uh, saying—I was arguing with this one publicist, and I told the person that I wasn't going to have a house, and they spazzed on me. Said, "You've done too much in your life to not have a house. You need a house!" Like, so try to impose that idea of—but you know my home is just—when—when my daughter FaceTimes me, that's where my—that's where my home is. But you were staying in the Mercedes-Benz Arena. Didn't look like a cell, it looked like a jail cell. I'm going to throw it out there.

Yeah, well, except for I could come and go, so—right? Big difference. But yeah, you know, it's this idea—this monk lifestyle, like this—I heard that it's like trust fund kids that's kind of on the same wave right now, that they being homeless on purpose, right? Uh, but I traveled to—to Paris like a couple weeks ago, and I had to go through Lisbon because you can go through Lisbon without being vaccinated. I only got one of the shots. I'm half-cinated. So I—I come to—I dropped in Lisbon. It's a 15-hour ride, and usually people say, well, I—I had to—I got to take this 15-hour ride. Some Steven Spielberg told me that—this Ralph Lauren—I'm just—there's gonna be shameless names right here. It's gonna be like a lot of names. I love it. So I sit next to Oprah at this Ralph Lauren dinner, talking to Steven Spielberg. [Applause] Continue. Continue. Across from Hillary Clinton. This is the first time I actually was with her. All right. So the uh—and so I took this 15-hour ride from Lisbon to Paris, but the thought was—I get to take the ride. The ride was beautiful. So it's just a perspective on life, like when I go through just the different changes in my life—my family—a friend of mine said, "Are you sad?" And when I really thought about it, I started to look at life like it was a video game. I'm like, you know, every part of it is really lit—the things that hurt you, the things that you're happy about, the things that—that push your ego, that support your ego, the things that down your ego. Like I've been saying this like a couple—for a couple weeks, like ego and anger love to hang out—they're best friends.

No, absolutely. Ego and anger. Oh yeah, yeah. You know that they hype each other. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. Yeah, yeah. They definitely—okay, they definitely blood. Okay. So the more and more you know you lean into your ego—you know, I wrote this song that for Donda that you know we're gonna bring out on the bonus album—uh, that's saying on the deluxe, but it said, "If I let go—if I let go—let God—and let go—I gotta let it go—I got it—let's go." And it's really got this line that makes me think about Miami—buy into the Montreal. Actually, it had a next line, but I like to open it. [Laughter] But it's like—going to Paris, I get there and—um—I get to the Ritz Hotel, and they say they ain't got no rooms, and you know it's a couple of times, so I just had to like pull my mouse down like, "You don't have no room? Okay, let me look for a room for you." That's a different kind of currency. Yeah, the—the vision of life is not to have money and possessions, is to have relationships and make it to the point where I've done so much for so many people that my money is—can't spend anywhere. To go to a restaurant, they'd be like, "Oh, your money's no good here." So they said they charge me for the room, but they gave you a room. Yeah, they found a room. And then the next day the CEO of Balenciaga came to pick me up. Is this guy named Cedric that actually I was trying to hire as a CEO—my boy Jean Two-Toed. I had an APC, which is based like the French version of Gap, which is the first person to really—that was in a prestigious position to really let me do a collaboration uh, with them. And so we had this APC collection that sold out back in the day. And this is before the Louis—Louis collab.

Yeah. You know what the Louis collab was first. That's right. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Um, I'm a fan. The Louis collab was great. So I want to—I want to go back to certain things with the Louis thing. Okay. But so the CEO of Balenciaga picked me up. Now I—I came with all—I got is this like little bag that's like my house. And my house changes in size depending on how big my bag is. Like I had this one that was like a laminate size, and that—once I got the Apple headphones, they wouldn't fit in it, so I had to get a bigger house, which ended up being—talk about a mobile home—end up being this one right. And I'm so happy that thugs wear this—this bag now, man. I'll call it—yeah, so people could stop down at me in here. So—um—so I ride—uh, to the Balenciaga store with the CEO of Balenciaga, and I didn't have a change of underwear, but for what you know I've done with Balenciaga, especially over the past four months, guess what my underwear and socks ended up being for the next four days in Paris? Balenciaga underwear—for free! And that's when I was sitting there, I was like, yo, this is my vision on life—to not even have to have a house—to have a place in every single world, every single city, every single country that I could go to and somebody's like, "You could stay here, you could sleep here." Like uh, my dog Boo was like, "Man, you in my city, brother!" Yeah, okay. He was like, "You in my city," and the first one I saw I was like, "[ __ ] I was born in Atlanta," I was like, I humbled myself saying, "Yes, sir," with a bunch of eyes—with a bunch of eyes. Uh, and um, he's like, "Yo, you know I'm down here working on KC. I'm in Houston, but you can stay at my crib." And to—I know I got a bunch of cribs I can stay at in New York. I know I got a bunch of cribs I can stay at, and you just move around. Like, first it was like—Yaseen—think about Mo stuff. He changed his name, and he started moving around. So I would think about how he was moving around, you know, just going through the airport—sometimes standing in line, sometimes not standing in line—getting a uh, Uber—Uber be canceling me. I'm not gonna say Uber's trash now. I'm just saying—I'm not gonna lie to you. You told me that the other day. You said you—you said you'd be calling Ubers; they always be canceling on you.

They don't cancel on you? Your profile doesn't say—Yeah, I'm—yeah, I don't even know. I barely—you know, I—I barely know how to work it. I just got my Apple Pay. You know, just mad—you just got Apple Pay. Let's make some noise for you because you really are superheroes. I got Apple Pay, but now it's time to make Apple Pay wow. All right, go ahead. That was all—that was—oh, so have you watched Versus? Yes. Yeah. You know I'm going with it. Yeah. Would you step into that ring? Oh, absolutely. But I would need about like four people that—to go against me at one time. [Applause] I need—I need producers, money people who make good albums. I need people who made radio hits. I need every single Gemini, specifically MC. I need every—okay, okay. Top five, especially Gemini. Would you like—would you like some Hennessy, or do you like—would you like a glass? Well, you know, let me explain what Hennessy is doing to the community. Okay, okay. So you know we know what the people gonna say. People gonna say they want Yay against—who do you think the people would think they want to see you again? Uh, there's only two people really out there. Yeah. No, I think it'd be—it'd be Drake, right? Thank you at home. That's—I didn't think about that one. I didn't think about that. Oh, this old nephew right there, he watching. You know. No, I like that. I like that. Gold against Jack. Nah, cause that's my boss. I would never go against you. I don't like that answer, but what you saying when you and Drake together, who's winning that? I'm winning every situation. That's why—holy [ __ ]! And who producer was though? Would it be Dre? Oh, producer-wise? [Music] That's why I said it—gotta be—I need to have like a month-long—just different categories, different styles. You have a season of your own Verses. Yeah, that'd be new. At a certain point, I could just be versus myself. It could be—that's how I'm against that album. I had to go Dark Fantasy against—well, I don't think anything goes against Dark Fantasy, but College Dropout against—the old Graduation. Oh yeah, we could do that. We do the old—yeah, against new. Year. We do all like sample drums versus trap drones. We can do all bars versus all different name changes going against each other. Yeah, different eras of—holy moly guacamole! This is exciting [ __ ]! But you telling me—I just—I just want to—it's for the fans. It's not for me. Yeah. If Swiss come to you because it's not about money with you, I can tell it's not about money, but Swiss—Timberland say you and Drake against one another, you saying you're gonna take it and you're gonna smoke? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, that's all I need to be clear, but it already happened. He played one of my leaked songs, and it was better than every other song this year because you did leak Drake's address, correct? No. He advertised it when he was building the house. Everyone knows it. It's like a place in Canada you go by; it's like—it's a monument, right? Yeah, every—we didn't know that because you know we look at people over here. Yeah, you know you can find it. That's how I was able to find it. It's googlable. It's on Google Maps. I like it. That's my word. You know, I made up that word. What I will say, I understand that you know, in—in all of the—the back and forth that me and Drake have had, you know, it's like—life—life is like the NBA, yeah, and people are either on your team or they're on another team, and everybody plays games in different kind of ways, and you can't be mad for somebody. At the end of the day, this man has sold more records than anybody, and part of his technique—and basketball—people got different techniques. Like I went to—to the gym with Kobe, and we didn't even really get to play ball. All he did was show me videos of Scottie Pippen, and you know Scottie Pippen's got a wide wingspan, but he didn't talk about that. He talked about how fast he was moving his feet, and he was like, "Oh, this is inhuman, right? It's inhumane. This is like—" and he was studying that. He wanted to learn how fast he moved his feet. So when Drake—Drake don't do a dis—like outright dis song—where's the headshot? He's gonna set up—set it up like war. You're gonna calculate it and strategy. Yeah. When people went to go get Hitler, they didn't go straight for Hillary. They set up fake tanks. They said—they said it. So he gonna do stuff like—live five blocks down the street from you, DM every—we're gonna grab through the light switch—that—that is—that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you talking—you're gonna like go and you know, DM every single girl in your family, every single girl around your family, everybody—every—all your [ __ ] girl—he's gonna—so it becomes like—so you already got that. It's like away games and home games and stuff like football, and this is professional rap. This is the first time we in a place of like professional rap. So all that's there. So if he throws out a bar right here, it might be a bar only like—what—Park said—you and I know what's going on, right? But it's all psychological, right? So it's like—what—what pin—what button is someone going to hit? Where can w—where you hit him? It's like—I was just at the game with Jay Prince last night. It was talking about how—how many below the belts there were, how many this there was, and the whole thing about that record that—yeah, you know what—you know it is—I got the perfect—I never thought about this tonight. Okay, you know what—oh, I bit his ear. They see what he was doing. Tyson like telling the refs like, "Oh yeah, you see this?" He's like—Tyson, "I'm going to take this tomorrow," and holy [ __ ]! I've never heard of this. No, but you make everything—I'm just—because it's in front of me, I was like—I was a fight there. We talking about this—we—we've been, you know, discussing doing things together to uh—uh, to bring attention to Hoover's situation, right? Um, and actually I got Larry Hoover—I introduced myself—I recognize his face. All right. So at a certain one where I want to take a moment when you could talk about the exact same thing. Absolutely understand this leader and political prisoner, right? You know, like when I went to the White House, I said, "This is me in a different dimension." You know, any one of us that can organize somebody—they gonna take us down. They've been taking, you know, the leaders and the fathers out of the community and only leave us with a hustler mentality because you ain't got a dad that's showing you how to save money and what property to buy and how to build your own factories. We're going to be jumping up and down for the idea like Virgil getting a job for Bernard Arnault, or me getting a job at the Gap or Adidas. A lot of times it's like we all was born white supremacist, racist, and homophobic. That's the bottom—that's the baseline. That's another thing—I don't even get the word for it, but it's like a phobia of mental health. That's the thing—when people try to write it off—that's like—even when I cut my hair like that, I'm like, yo, they're going to try to figure—what's the name of that haircut? At first, you know, I called it the Britney—oh, Britney Spears. Okay. Now it could be called a Yay. But when I see—when I see that bro, I'm telling you, you know, the declaration of insanity is a form of censorship and control. Like are you taking something smoothly? You know, feds—Democrat—whatever—they—they—they know who I am. So I was—I was up there like, man, maybe I shouldn't do, you know, this interview because that's when they really going to come—you got to understand—come on, say whatever the [ __ ] you want over here. Yeah, yeah. But it's all—everything has like a butterfly effect. Kobe died on, you know, in Calabasas, right? You know I'm saying—on the street where I would drive my kids to school. That's crazy. This video game—this grant that FODO is real, right? You know. So uh—but you know, with me and Drake, we all really on the same team—just even on this planet, period. We on the same team. We—we the people—we think is our ops and all this stuff—once we understand—and this is—I think the job that God actually has for me is for us to all realize that we are playing inside of the same time. That's one thing we all got in common—if we all in the same place in the Christian calendar right at all times—we could be the first civilization to become civil. A matter of fact, let me take out the word can. I hate the word can. I hate these like in between, you know, you can't work—can and should—and if it's like feds—it's like somebody you think is with you, they're not really with you. They're like a fourth leg—they can just fall anytime—your whole tape will fall over like that. That's why we have to wield these things in fruition. So we say, "We will be the first civilization to become silver." We still in the dark ages. We attack each other mentally. We go back to the rap stuff with me and Drake—this is—we in World War III. This is warfare right here. What they do—people can comment on you online that you don't know—you can't come see them—you know, saying it's a career in Korea—the suicide rates is crazy—people's esteem—how you feel about yourself—body dysmorphia—overdoing it with the drip—and did it all that. So I'm about like Robin Hood, really breaking down the class system. That's why I went to the Gap. Like people was like, "Man, Virgil went to Louis, you went to the Gap." I said, "I always wanted to create egalitarianism." Yeah, I worked for—I worked for the Gap, so it was meant to be. I always felt like Gap was sort of like Apple of apparel for me. Esteem and clothing is so connected—your ego—your ego connected to—the first time my mom bought me some Jordans in fourth grade—I didn't even know they was the fours. I got the fours in fourth grade. If I always look for like lineups like that, and my—somebody told my mama, "He gonna like this," and then I walked through the school and everybody was looking at my shoes—I didn't even know about it. Then I would go visit my dad out in Tacoma Park, Maryland, and it was this rich kid that had enough Jordans to be able to wear mismatched Jordans—like BBD—and he'd have him with the jabot shorts and with—with a polo shirt. Wow. Because I'm coming to a dress like Heavy D with the metal—with the tip of my shoes and stuff—with like rayon shirts and polka dots, and he's like—we don't—

Dress like that no more. We dressed like this. I came back to Chicago with the new style, and ever since then, I always been like ahead of [ __ ], and I always, I always like that feeling of being ahead. But if you're ahead long enough, you got, eventually you need to become the head; you need to become the leader. So I, I had a wildest conversation. I remember this one time, Lauren gonna be mad at me about Texas. I said, I'm, I'm saying, Lauren, you told my Lauren Hill, yeah, Lauren Hill, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of super name drops getting the graphics ready, and I was like, I was like, I'm the, I'm the leader, and she's like, "You, you a leader? You're not telling me [Applause]."

Supreme leader, yeah. But no, the supreme leader is God. But God appoints leaders, right? At a certain point, they, they are leaders, right? You know? So order like me too, like when I sit next to Marilyn Manson and, and the baby right after both of them got canceled for five songs, you know, it's like they can't cancel assault, all right? They actually said Dave Chappelle, they should probably get captured. That's what I'm saying, we got it. And then it's like that hit you with like an accusation or somebody that you was with, you know, 10 years ago. Okay? And then also it's like there's women who have been through really serious things, pulled in alleys against they will. That's different than a hug, right? But it's classified as the same thing. It's classified as the same thing, you know? It's, it's power and politics, you know, power-hungry maniacs and just control. This is 1984, mind control that we're in, and mob mentality too.

How you feel about counseling? Oh man, I love it. They try to counsel you like 15 times, that's it. I love it; I'm above it, you know what I mean? I love it; I'm above it. You know, that's the clouds when you're in the jet, you look down at the clouds, it's like, I'm like running to get cancer doing this show, it's just like, yeah, we don't give a [ __ ]. And then different people will call me and make suggestions to be like, you know, "I suggest, you know, maybe you shouldn't be buying…" If you suggesting that to me, why are you so into it? Unless you really into it, unless you really part of the mob, because the mob, it got a couple mob members here right now. Most definitely, most definitely. You know what I'm saying? That different kind of mob, but you got to understand they all doing a job. We all here for a reason. God got a reason. God sees everything, and if, and if I'm, if I'm still alive, God's not finished. Like I say on "24," which I wrote, um, I actually wrote the day before Kobe passed, the melody, and we ended up, and the funny thing, we went back and forth on this song, and when we did the listening event down in, um, the listening event in uh, Atlanta, the first one for Howard Land, we started with "Twitter" for the Donda outfit. Yeah, we started with "24." All my people out the trenches living up, making all right.

And then the funny thing, I had a clip of Kobe and his daughter in the video, and we called his wife, everything, and we couldn't get it cleared. But one of the things, when Kobe passed, there was somebody that I used to work with whose wife literally uh, tweeted, "Let's not forget that Kobe was accused," and that's what they said, that's what reacted to that. Yeah, because okay, continuously. So that's what they said because you talk about superheroes, right? They don't wanna, uh, what, what, uh, what the AZ say? They don't wanna see a black man turn to John Gotti or Callum. But like they don't want you to have this; they want you to have a house, they want you to have a cars, they want you to look at the numbers on, you know, Billboard or Spotify, or that's completely controlled. They want you to look at your T; they want you to base your self-esteem off a TikTok. Hi God, if another guy, if another [ __ ] talk to me about TikTok, tick bro, it's fine. Y'all could play, you know, praise God and everything, and that's great. I'm happy that it connects to my children and everything, but it's, it's none of these things that can make me. And that's the idea of being a nomad. I like that term though, because I was talking to the head of IKEA about creating… I'm sure he won't like that. Keep going; I'm gonna do it. This is the first person that went and met himself. So why you not, you're not laughing? You didn't like that? I'm looking, I'm reading the energy in the room. Here comes the backlash. He gonna be like… So I was just talking and said, "Look, we need to create, um, better situations for homeless people." You know, it's a really utopian dictator concept. Okay, "We're going to eradicate homelessness." What about people who want to be homeless? And there's a lot of them that want to be, there's a lot of people… So that would change. You got to think, we used to have water fountains; now we got a plastic problem because of water bottles. That's capitalism, you know? Everyone only thinks about themselves, especially our black leaders, right? When none of us run on stage, what? None of us say, "George Bush don't care about…" We are very self-interested. That's two of the best moments in American history. Yeah, you said, "George Bush don't care about black people," and when you told Taylor Swift that Beyoncé had the best videos, and I was very… It's American history right there. I was very [Applause].

Would it be okay to not hit that for the whole restaurant? No problem. I was waiting for you to say that, man. You know I got a gentleman. Yeah, but that's American history. Like, what, what, what, what was it, Hennessy that night that would tell us where, when you stood there? Because why did you wanted to do that, you know? Well, I was showing both of my addictions, you know? I found my dad's Playboy when I was five years old, and I started drinking beer or something in high school. So I actually was carrying both of my addictions, one and one arm, one and the other. I was actually talked into going to the awards show, right? At that time, it was Don C's job to talk me into stuff. They find new people who job would be to talk me into doing something that I don't want to do. Influencers, people around you. So, uh, that night I said, "Man, I'm not going to this awards show; I'm not sitting through this no more." Uh, and the very first award, they sent me in the front. Now you got "Single Ladies" video is like, usual Amber at the time, right? Yeah, okay. They, they got, this is one of the best videos of, uh, uh, in history. Yeah, the "Single Ladies." So it's not, it's not that it's just for her. When the artist does something that's that compelling and incredible, we got to respect it, right? Like I feel like this year, just should nobody just even put the album in the category or Album of the Year, so I can finally have Album of the Year, because you don't want to be the person that beat Donda for Album of the Year. I love it. I love that. Yo, you gotta understand, I made, I may *Watch the Throne*, and now I may *Watch the Throne* and *Dark Fantasy* in the same year, my *My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy*, and same year, and neither of them got nominated for Album of the Year. Wow. Not even nominated. Not even nominated. So, and you know what I love? Hey, I'm gonna just tell y'all this: when white people say the word "rapper," that is saying [ __ ]. When you say it to me, you saying you getting away with saying [ __ ]. Damn. Oh, the rapper, okay. Oh, the rapper, or like, uh, last night on the game, they had my face on the Chiron and on the screen and said, "Hip-hop artists," specifically. I was like, you know, "I got a PhD from the Art Institute of Chicago, from the most prestigious art school in the world. Could I at least be called an artist?" But you know what? Here, it's like in America, they're not gonna just give it to you, but it's, it's, it's to be bought; it's to be taken. I'm saying like at this point, bro, this, this is like *There Will Be Blood*. You know, I'm not really… Blood… talking about… Yeah, absolutely. Dragons blood in the Bible, they got dragons. Absolutely. Really? Yeah, *There Will Be Blood*, bro. Like remember when a dude, brother acted like he was his brother and everything and like tried… I don't know if y'all seen this movie; it's one of my favorite movies, but that's me, bro. That's me, bro. It's like the kid with the pink polos. I be telling people like, yo, it's not like that no more with me, period. Like, bro, like because you know what I'm saying? They did everything. God gave me that 6.6, like right when they announced that Kim was filing for divorce, one week later, whatever. God was like, "Nah, nah, this my son right here, 6.6." And Forbes was always on some white supremacist [ __ ], like downing me for three years. They like, "Oh, Kylie a billionaire, yay!" Not a billionaire, you know? And even in my Forbes, if you read the article, it's like it's drenched with some like Jackie Robinson, everything, and say, "Doc [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ]…" What'd you say? Because Jackie Robinson was… Yeah, yeah. So the idea of what it even means to be a billionaire, but to not color inside the lines, you know? My mom was born into a drinking fountain; they told her what fountain she could drink out of. Now we born into a vote; they literally call it the "black vote." Yeah, and by the way, we blood of Christ, we blood of Moses; we're not just a color in the crayon box. And if we knew that, who we really were, we'd treat each other differently; we'd treat ourselves differently. So when you say, "I'm black and I'm proud," like, but of what? What, what concept are we, are we understanding? They say, "Go see the African history museum." Why did they start when, when the boats came? Why don't they start with the drums, when we was kings? And yeah, oh, they don't want it. But we are kings. But the 400 years doesn't have to deal with slavery; it has to deal with the Bible; it has to deal with us being disobedient to God, right? And that's why we farm land that is in our own record labels, the NBA, Hollywood. These boys be scared; they'd be sitting there. Michael B. Jordan be telling my cousin like, "Man, I want to do what Ye do, but I'm just, you know, I'm right here," or, you know, like Kevin Hart was like, "Man, I like that; I'm envious to what Dave Chappelle could do." And then he's sitting it at us, me to him, say this tech, he said this, he said that. It's like, "Boy, this *There Will Be Blood*. Stop [ __ ] with me, cause y'all [ __ ] with my money; y'all doing [ __ ]." I got 80 accounts right now. I got people that's like, "Why I got 80 accounts?" That's that Bob Marley through the toe. You understand? I make hundreds of millions a year, then I look up and it's like, yo, I got 30 extra people came down to Sunday Service, you know? 30 other extra people, that's 30 cars, 30 flights, 30 mini bars, 30 uh, movies… Who watching? Ain't no, ain't nobody load up this movie. Who wants to see… Well, I wish I had a name of a funny ass movie that don't know what I want to see; that would have made it funny. But who want to see this movie? You know what I'm saying? These just moves, and I looked, I come up, I… It was one dude work on me. I said, "How many storages does I got?" I said I had 80, uh, uh, eight storages. And then my wife, because she's still my wife, it ain't no, it ain't no paperwork [Applause]. So I gave it to her because she's really good at storage. She loves, like this is her, her pastime is like organizing. So when she went to the store, she's like, "Oh, you got 36 storages." That's a, that's a silent murder. That's gas; that's like poison. And you slow through the wasabi or something, every little piece of a sushi, Japanese whiskey. Yeah, yeah. You know, let's switch, let's switch it up to the Japanese whiskey [Applause]. I'm trying to get the Biggie, yeah. So as Biggs walked in, I don't know if you've seen Devils Biggs right there, but oh, I always tell him what I said when you ask me if I do a versus with Jay. He said, "No." Why? Why? Why? I say, "I wouldn't…" He's, he's the boss. That's what you said. Yeah, right. Yeah. We don't know if you know our show is about giving people their flowers while they're alive, and we need you to know how much you're important to us. Oh wow. Open it up from there. Wow. This is shout out because I said it in the beginning, but I want you, I want to reiterate this because I want you to really know, you know how many, not just black youth, not just Spanish youth, not just white youth, but how you are really inspirational to a whole generation. It made people dress different; you made people who, you know, want to, want to really have their albums produced greatly again. You bring that back to hip-hop, and I want to tell you that as face-to-face, man-to-man, out of eye, we appreciate you; we love you, and you mean the world to us. And you did a record for me back in the days. I don't know if you remember, and you didn't even charge me. I ain't have it though; I ain't have it. It was way too expensive, and I tried, I was like… He said, "Nah, no, it's, it's good." You saw the house; he just free stuff from me on my mixtapes back in the days. I know he's not going to remember that. You know, one of my lines you said, um, "I go to Jacob with twenty-five thousand…" You stole my [ __ ]. You're real. Keep going. I made a whole song, "Twenty-five hundred." Wow. I gotta practice overall right now. You got… Let's get him a new glass. No glass, no glasses right there. That's a new… Yeah. Okay. All right, cool. Big, I'm sorry, it's 10 a.m., but you're gonna drink two with us too. God damn it. I'm sorry; I'm, I'm looking dead at you without… You know, it's funny, I just bought a bigger house last night. I got a backpack that's… We're talking about the mobile homes; this is my home. That's my house. My home is when my daughter FaceTime, but my house is that backpack. Nice. Okay. So this is who I was gonna ask you. One of the most controversial records or most dopest records I've ever heard you make was, um, Biggs' brother was Biggs' brother used to be, and I thought that that was so honest because a lot of people, um, I, I believe the word "jealous" is not a bad word, but I'm… Sometimes you could be jealous and say, "I want what this person wants," that doesn't mean you're a hater. Hate is something different; hate is, "I despise you." And I felt like that's not what it was saying with that record, but it was like, "I want this slot, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna stop at no means of getting a slide." Am I… Yeah, absolutely. Okay. And I think about when I do things, you know, I go and be on my monk, I'm just traveling the world. I have a home stuff, and but when we go in, like we was doing the listening sessions, we want to make it hurt. That's what competition is. We made, we made everybody push this summer back, you know? Drake pushed back those release dates; that's for fact, that that actually, you know, actually happened. And then they had people coming out saying, oh, you know, he, um, you know, the other thing I saw this thing that Styles said about this going back and forth. Honestly, it's interesting to people, but man, I, I love Drake; I love all artists, period. But not even to mention I love Drake; I love all this. Let's have Drake just have his, his spot of what he meant in my life specifically and what he's meant to rap, okay? You know, over the past decade specifically. This is a very, the, I would say the most, if I wasn't me, most of the time, this is a very, um, important artist that actually added something to the algorithm, because watch this: it's like our phone, I mean our phones have, uh, what do you call their like the hard drives and the, the way somebody is more technical? Yeah, the microchips, right? The processors. They're processors, right? We are God's ultimate iPhone; we are God's favorite creation. So if Steve Jobs was God, we would be his iPhone, and we are simply programmed, and we go with the program. And some are unprogrammed, and some of the unprogrammed are people who they say are crazy or people who go off the rails, people who end up homeless. And the program are the people who go with the program. And you have this thing, like when I said, when I hit you with a "wyd," you better not hit me with a "hui." You better be like, "Hi," with a bunch of eyes, or "Hey," with a bunch of what. So it's, you know, people who heard that song would text me back with a bunch of eyes, a bunch wise. We just right there adjusted the programming; that's simple. That's what media, that's the mind control is all about. Can you be a part of the programming? What I say to Drake is he added something to the algorithm. As we become more civilized and more sophisticated, the style of rap that he was doing was more sophisticated than the style of rap that I grew up on. Now I had notes from Nas and Rock Kim and obviously from me, but I also had notes from Shade, right? Had no… Some people want to make jokes about that, but it made it… Massages the shade. There you go. So, so that made it… His music was more accessible this time when like rap wasn't as accessible, and he created this thing that actually has good melodies in it, you know? Good, good music in it that became massively uh, accessible. So it's sort of like the iPhone. Music is such an interesting thing to create a genre to create in because grab music right now, grab it with your hands; it's like, uh, it's in the air, intangible, right? It's intangible. It's intangible like the concept of a relationship, you know? Saying you, you, you with somebody, you might only see them twice out the week. If y'all married, you might only see them two hours a day, three hours a day before y'all go to sleep, but y'all together. It's a concept that you, you, you live on an idea, you know? And it's in this GTA, we are an idea. So, for instance, I got to say this to Boo: I kind of feel like he knew that I was working on *Cities*; he knew I wasn't working on *Cities*. But when you think about a city, who you think about? Akon. So I feel like… Who's like, man, you know, "I'm gonna let you know you're about to drop this city right now." I get, yeah, which is period… Civilizations, your man right here was like, "Are you working on that Epcot? You know, cities of the future?" I'm like, "Man, how you know?" He said, "Man, no way, but I know what wave you on." So, um, because nobody never liked it to go to Wyoming until you went there. Yeah, or even afterwards, apparently some of you afterwards, they only came to Wyoming for you. I'm just telling you. Yeah, it was a step. You know, the problem is they say, you know, I was talking to Jay Prince and talking to Elon, cause there's another… We're gonna do another driver, Elon Musk [Laughter]. So I was talking to Jay Prince and talking to Elon, which I… That's an amazing combination. It's an amazing spectrum. It's actually closer, yeah, than we think. Why is it so far? Wow. Real talk, you know I'm saying? When I think about, you know, certain people's ability, like business, someone he know how to read a contract, is, it's… That's how… It's very few of us that's seven feet tall, and very few of us is three feet tall. We all play our position inside of this modern-day Wakanda that we actually in. We're at the brink of it, you know I'm saying? After this interview, I possibly could be taken out. But no, the interview has happened though, because I've infected y'all yesterday to think in the Ye way. We, it's like when they say, "This is the man on the moon; this is the first black animal…" I, I just telling people like investors, people… We haven't spat… Oh, I was with the black…

A white person? First of all, we're all beings alike. We're not—we're not even classified under race. But if we're going to be inside of a race conversation, don't be telling me what you then did for the Black people. I started the Black Spack, or this Black, or this Black investments for hair—hair clippers. And would you think I—you know, I might be into—I remember being out in San Francisco, bro. It's like I ain't never made money with not one person from Silicon Valley. If you ever saw the show Silicon Valley, yes, like the opening episode was Kid Rock performing, and he said, "I'm Kid Rock," and then nobody clapped at the end of his performance. And one dude says, "Hello, uh, see that's Kid Rock," he'd have broke this person here that best describes my experience in Silicon Valley. Whether I'm sitting with Google, whether I'm sitting with Mark Zuckerberg, whether I'm sitting—man, I already meant shadow-banned. They shadow-banned me in the middle of the election, so what I got to lose? I don't use Twitter anymore, my friend. I'm friends with Jack Dorsey. I got shot—I said, "Man, why y'all shadow-ban me?" He hit me back and said, "I don't see anything weird here," cause you're not looking. You gave me—I didn't inhale—ass answer to why I got shadow-banned after I went to Haiti. I don't know, you know I mean, I'm sorry. They don't see your stuff, they don't see it. You don't know this: if you go right now and load up Emmanuel album by Sunday Service on Apple, if you don't type it all the way to the very end, it ain't going to pop up. It's little things inside of—but let's get clear, you were a little crazy on Twitter at one point. Remember you was kind of—yeah. But would that get it right for them to shadow-ban? It's freedom of speech though, too. You're taking that away. Yeah. And what was the craziest thing? It's frozen exposing. I had 10 contracts that everybody around me knew. I had 10 contracts. Everybody that supposedly cared for me knew I had 10 questions on Dev Jam, no more, right? Oh, I'm off of it now. But what I'm saying is, I signed contract after contract after contract after contract, and it's known. It's like one of my skill sets is not reading; one of my skill sets is not counting. And people are like, "Oh, you need to learn how to—" Man, I ain't telling any [ __ ] learn how to dress. I'm not telling these [ __ ], but if we moved as a family in a community, you know what Jay said? Say we could fall with each other's crutches; we could benefit each other, but the system tears us apart, left and right. J this way, dang that way, yay this way, Virgil that way. We stronger together, we impenetrable together. We have to vote. I don't know what it means. I can't get through that. I can't get through some using that one. We have to vote as a block, right? We vote—I would have voted for you for president. Yeah. I don't know. Did you see me on the count? I went on a campaign. I was talking about—we talked about it. You're talking about it. I was like—I was like—I was by myself. Like, that's not the people who supported me. But I promoted you. Yeah. When it's time to get free, the only way we're going to do it is by leveraging anchors. Like the Jewish community is not the most people in America, but they understand how to collectively use—they leverage to have a position that serves them. You understand now what I keep on saying is we are us, we are collective humanity, we are collective, but we so easy to get into like an ego thing, just like with the Drake thing. Man, I love Drake. I was just telling you things that he was doing in a professional game of rap that was throwing me off. And then okay, I bit his ear. You know me and that—and that's what happened. That was Mike Tyson. Hopefully that was professional sports. We in professional rap, meaning it's too many people that get paid off of either of us for something to happen to either of us. You know what I'm saying? So we'll be on the record. I'm gonna do this. No, you not. [Laughter] And why? You know, and life is just so fun, and it's—it's lit, and we get to be professional, you know, rappers for a period of time out of our life and pull in this energy and have people talking about it. But it's a certain responsibility. I think that it's a—it's a redemption, a redeeming quality. That's what I have. I'll be wanting to sit down with Drake to say this, just as an OG to him, is the redemption. Like when I—I asked him for the beat for Tsu. That's my favorite song on CLB. And say, "Mama is not around, Daddy is not around." CLB, certified—a little boy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So uh, I'm not gonna do a joke like, "Man, you ain't know the name of Hellmuth." Listen, man, I live in my own world, too, man. I'm not exactly you or him, but I live in my whole world, too, and I'm kind of the man in my [ __ ]. So you know, I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. [Applause] Oh [ __ ], this is great. This is great. But—but the redemptive quality is like that third verse. Because if you just leave it as it is, it's going to stay as is. And for me, in my opinion, Lucy and Grayjake got no problem with his staying as is. I got a problem with his staying as is. I gotta—you know, it's funny, I called uh, Damien Hirst that did Drake's cover, because I felt like I didn't like the cover. I felt like he was trying to troll him or something. I love Damien Hirst. I just bought a couple of his pieces right now. One of my top five favorite artworks of all time is these animals he put in embalming fluid. So you know, when you do my interview, which I should have—is just things just pop up at the bottom, don't worry. So he did this shark. It's kind of similar to this scene in *The Cell* that had J. Lo by Tarsem, or a horse separated like this. So he actually did this, and I bought a dove for my family, for my wife to put it there, and I bought this black sheep because that's—you know, that's um—that's me. So I bought a black sheet. It's an actual black sheep and embalming fluid, and it's by Damien Hirst who did the Drake album cover. So I think you want a real feat, but it's physically—it is? Okay. Okay. It is uh—no, I actually bought um—[ __ ] I actually bought 1200 living sheep. Okay, but I bought one. So you're excited? Officially? Yes. So um, the uh—yeah, that was the easiest of my life. So—so it's that third verse. I used to rap like this: I would say, "Uh, girl and gave me no ass, she needed to go down," and the next line would say, "The pastor said I need Jesus, so I went to the church and let the water wash over my season." I always gave a redemption, you know I'm saying? Like it's like what Bone Thugs told you about, you know, feds sitting with them saying, "Make negative music that's going to put more of us in jail." It's documented. You can load it up. So we do that, and you get like—of God people, Travis Scott, Drake, Kanye West—we, we of God, God's plan, and then we make these songs that don't have uh, a redemptive quality in what we're saying, because maybe we trying to look harder or be cooler or this that younger, whatever it is, and act like we ready to die as much as people who really got, you know, 10 bodies and really—I'm sorry, because did it because the—the rumor is that Drake kind of took a shot at you on that song, but Travis Scott was on that same song. It was—married? Did you put—oh yeah, I put everybody on a group text. Everybody gets a group. And what I don't like is like, you know, when I'm talking about who's in this group of texts, it was Jay-Z, Kim Kardashian. So you got nothing to do with this, by—see this? I talked to Jay at the wedding the other day. He didn't know when he did the song that me and Drake had a problem. So after it came out, he's not in it. That's just like—I did—I did it before the fact. But what I'm saying is, so it's that traff—but then Drake says it's like—I said, "I'm gonna put you on a guild," I have somebody put you on a guild, and which means put you on a t-shirt, right? And I'm talking to everybody that's in this community on their own album, no, not a group of—group texts. He said it on the song. Okay. Um, and I'm talking—all he says, Kid Cudi, uh, Pusha, Drake, Jay-Z, Kim, and Traff. One of the lines I said that was legend is I said, "I'm worth more than all y'all on this text combined." Yeah, you said that was a—what—what—what did you say that was? Uh, it was—I don't know what you just said. You wrote that in the text, everybody? Yeah, that was one of the elements of the text. Okay. But this is an intense group chat. But everybody—all, you know, everybody want to—as soon as I start dropping bars—"Oh my god, he's in an episode! Oh my god, he needs to go to the hospital! Oh my god! Oh oh my god! Oh oh my god!" And it's just—"Oh god! Oh oh no! Oh no! Oh no! This is so good, keep going!" But what I'm saying is, as a community, we have to police—and police ourselves. So if you know you got a person that's—you know, we in a league, we're in a league of our own, right? It's like the NBA—life itself. But then also this like celebrity influential place of like musicians and influencers and stuff like that, and they have [ __ ] that's called like flagrant fouls inside of the league. So in this group chat, did you tell Travis Scott that was a flagrant foul? From exactly? Okay, because—no, the thing is, he could have put the line on without everybody knowing. So that means I felt like everybody should go to Drake and be like, "You ain't saying that to—to North, Saint, Chicago, and Psalm's dad," because he could be saying [ __ ] that's poking at me and—and—and driving me crazy. And then if I do something that seems crazy, then they just blaming me. It's like every [ __ ] that got locked up, it's a reason they didn't do it just because their life was perfect and they had all the opportunities in the world and their dad brought him up. There's very few people like that. There's this born serial killer, that's what they want to do. People are always there for a reason, and ain't nobody like—I—you know, I have this conversation where Drake is like, "You know, I never [ __ ] him," but I was like, "But you acted like you did. You got bars." It's like, "Hidden Hills, give your wife the chills." You doing all kind of—it's like somebody throwing a marble and hiding it in a hand or something like that. It's like you had—all that's disrespectful. I actually had this conversation—we had this conversation. And this is all—to the point where can be like, "I don't listen to this [ __ ] no more. This [ __ ]—I can—" Like he [ __ ] and like we ain't never really like—we—we never really had that conversation at all. I never [ __ ] him, right? No. But what about—order? Did you ever DM her? Did you ever—you know I'm saying, everything else around it, you know, because it ain't about just the actual act of it, you know—the act, the anticipation of something is the—is what we live in now is the shortest moment of our life now, the now that was just there is just gone now. You know what I'm saying? So you could be sitting there like—Diddy? Did he not—that's worse than if you—I would rather you did, and I just actually just need to deal with the finality, because my mind—I'm like a Xerox printer. I—you know, I'm Christian, but I'll tell you something. I talked to a healer that said I'm dealing with resentment from multiple lives of disloyalty, of the way I felt, you know, with Virgil going to Louie and just things—jealousy. So it actually was a problem, because that's what we've heard. Absolutely. I was jealous. What do you mean? I'm a human being. And people try to tell you what to say in press and what to feel like you don't feel that. If you was in my situation and you ride—no, no. This is the other thing: Sickle Mode. They would play it at the kid's party. So I'd have to bring my kids to a party with this man threatening my life on a song—"Welcome to Calabasas"—and then they wonder why you end up, you know, in the hospital. There's—it has to be some type of respect, a male perspective, a God perspective, and some type of community leadership, and I'm the leader. And that's what I told Lauryn Hill. Yeah, I told Lauryn—if I told everybody I'm the leader, let's look at it, let's open up this Bible. You know your grandmother's about—you need Jesus, that's what you need, man. By the way, because all praise God, because all of this that we're doing, it ain't adding up to nothing now. God is pointing at me and said, "This man worth nine billion dollars, this man—this man—" and that—and that's pretty good for a Black man, since that was all the Black—first of all, I said that before. We got to take the Black version off of it, because I'm running—I'm running circles around, you know, all the other um—uh, you know what we're going to do? Yeah. No, that Black or white, but what are we going to do to the world? I'm going to make some noise for that, like a lot. You got [ __ ]. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, like look at Moses. In order—in order for Moses to be Moses, he had the ability to be able to take down anybody else. That's my thing. If I'm a rap on a song, if I'm gonna do a beat, if we talk about money, whatever we're talking about, I'm gonna be the Moses of the situation, because that's what God anointed me—that skill set to be able to do that. You know what I'm saying? It's like I can—you know I'm saying, you wouldn't have Drake write a verse—you want—no, you wouldn't have Virgil do a song for you, but you wouldn't have Drake pick out a purse for you. You know what I'm saying? But I—I would compete with both of them at the same caliber, you know, competing with Virgil at Louis Vuitton with my little brown sweatshirts. Somehow this man been anointed with different skills. So that's why I said I put them on a group text, and it wasn't about the magic archeterics or Kid Cudi dress. It's like, you know how it is if you texting a girl, or a girl texts you back, they might just—a game, some position, text you back slow, different things. I don't—let me tell you, as the leader, I don't operate like that. Don't be on my phone, touch them, chase me back. So if I—and you demand an immediate—that don't work with—like I told you, I'm a Xerox printer, meaning I could—I could see a dinosaur bone and build a dinosaur out of it mentally. So if I hear a verse, I'm gonna build a dinosaur—I'm gonna hear dinosaur born out of a line, too. Because people could look and be like, "Oh, he never did this," but that don't mean that line hasn't built an entire dinosaur bone. And this is a perfect time for me to come back, because you got to understand I was Yay, and then they started making more Yays. Watch this: Yay. It's like this encompassing thing of fashion, bars, beats, production, videos, this—and then what happened is you get Rocky dressing better than me, Tyler making better videos, Drake more records, Virgil higher position in fashion, and J. Cole more backpack or Kendrick better bars and stuff. So I literally had to go like Thanos. And I don't want to have to be the villain, but when I went and did the Donda thing, Yay returned. Yeah, and everybody had to sit back and watch the real leader. They could talk about goats and this and that. It's like—because I affect people 20 years older than me, I affect people 20 years younger than me, and that's what it factually is. And you got to know who you is, and you got to tell people who you are. Man, I got this money guy—as I'm up here disappointed because actually, I got to stop screaming at white people—um, but I got this money guy that said, "Yo, you got 80 accounts open," which is what I said—it's the hit—it's a way to kill me. And he was just dismissive. He was like, "Man, I just saw what Trump did with this back, and you can—you can do this." I said, "Man, when I do it, we're going to get up to Elon and Bezos and Arnold territory," uh, and he just says to me very nonchalantly, "Well, I'm not going to say it's going to be all that." Three minutes later a conversation, he's talking to me about—"You got 80 accounts to open, and this is ridiculous." He said it at the beginning. You know, I said, "I already heard that." I started raising my voice. Then he checked me—"Who you screaming at? Who you screaming at?" But it's like, boy, when you said—when you dismiss me, and when I try to stand up and you push my shoulder like that, that's a part of the programming in schools today. I see my son do his homework at Sierra Canyon—that because I could—because Daddy got his own school, you know, called Donda, named after my mom, the first Black female English chair of Chicago's uh, English department, Chicago State. So he's doing his homework, and it's—it's math, and it's got three eggs and two eggs and says, "Three plus two equals what?" And he says, "Five." And the next one has three eggs plus two eggs, and it says, "Two plus one equals what?" And he says, "Five." And see, the—the picture was wrong with the number. He starts getting frustrated, he starts crying, he doesn't understand. And I was there, you know, thinking he was too young for me to explain to you. I was like, "No, this is getting you prepped to be pulled over for no reason and think it's okay. This is getting prepped for you to be the person that deserved a job, and someone else get the job—they hire Virgil over you, and you think it's okay. You can't say nothing because you're a sellout to Black people if you say you got to go get a hug. You know I'm saying? They—they're getting you prepped. It's prep school, right, baby? Yeah. It's preparation for your limitation." That's deep. That's deep. We in these schools right now, baby. Oh, you thought I wasn't gonna get killed by the end of this interview? I'm gonna try my best. No, though—though you give it the shoulder—gotten worse. You're giving it to us. You know what I'm saying? But it's a part of the overall slave ship and the same mentality. When I cut—when I cut my hair like this—did you cut it yourself? While Barbara did that—let me tell you, I should have cut my hair myself, because I was in Europe. So you paid a [ __ ] to do that? No, no—tell me exactly. Yeah, it's funny that you say that, because I asked—he kept on like cutting it, because you guys are—Barbara, if you ever cut a plug and somebody had your shop, might shut down. I cut hair for a living back, you know, 14, 15. I used to do that. They buy clothes and also to buy uh, music equipment. Okay, I got a story. We gonna get into the real rap [ __ ]. We had to like—yeah. [Applause] I had to just give you some, you know, all the TMZ existence, right? Yay thing at the beginning. So um—uh—Dan, what was that trainer—thought we're talking about the barber. Okay. If—if you cut a plug in somebody's hair, you could lose your job. You can—I remember I used to cut hair, and I—I had like one day I had like six clients, since I had the most money, I might have had like 120, I don't know. And um, the next day these barbers—they was real good in town—they said, "Your boy was on a mission, you know, yesterday." I was feeling all proud of like, "Yeah," well—

I was getting it, and then um, he said people was walking in like this and walking out like this. [Laughter] So um, uh, yeah, so he cuts my hair, and I'm going through it; it's taking an hour. I'm like, I'll take a little bit more here, do this here, blah blah. And after this, it took all the life out of this man, as a black barber, as a uh, African-American, as a blood of Christ, as a Hebrew, as a—see, I'm telling y'all what it is, right? So um, and he was so disappointed that he he he didn't even charge me; he just walked away like, "Man, I did this to Kanye West." It's something that you asked for, too. Yeah, yeah.

And then a few days later, I cut my hair. Now, mind you, I thought it was lit, and only God, the universe, the video game that my hair cut—you posted it on the ground—was that yeah? But the fact that my hair cut and my name came at the same time, yeah, it had to be something. Because to do that, this was harder than wearing a Trump hat, because every time is my my image. You know, I'm I'm I'm fly, so it's just everything is like, you get your hair cut, it's Friday night, I'm finna go to the club, or I gotta go to a wedding, or I gotta go to a graduation, or I'm going to my job, yo. As a man, as a black man, your lining your haircut means so much.

So then I'm sitting in the mirror at the hotel, and I grab and I remember, "Oh snap, I have a barber skill set and an art skill set," and I started cutting because one of my home girls like, "I think it needs a lining because it just looks really good," and I was like, "I ain't finna get no lining; I got nine billion dollars; I don't need no line." So so then I um, I cut it a different way, and the name of our basketball team is the Doves, the Donda Doves. So I like um, I started to cut it like a dove. So this is actually three doves cutting my hair, and what I like is one patch will grow back, and it starts to make these layers. And I said, "You know, I'm an artist, like a process artist, and I'd like to let people in on a process, like what we did with the rollout." So when you see the hair, it's like you see the process of the haircut; you also see the process; it's like a representation of my thoughts developing because of how close it is to my you know, to my to my head. And then the whole thing is, it it gotta look hot, you know, at the end of the day; like it's it's it's girls that hit me like, "Yo, I like that mask," because when I yeah, because when I wore the mask, yeah, text us and told us, "Don't tell—make sure you don't walk in with that white mask." I got I got I got the mask on me actually. Where's it at? Where's it at? I was I was actually about to start giving out haircuts because apparently this is about to be a thing. Yeah, somebody's going—a lot of people gonna bite your [ __ ]. Yeah, and my hair—my barber's name is Edward Niggerhans. I like him already, and I like the fact you holding the smoke champs. If you want to light it up, you can light it up. If you want to light it up, yeah, you can light it up. This is okay. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. You're thinking about it. All right, come on, you're my Joe Rogan. Let's go. [Applause]

This is kind of a serious question, right? Because um, I remember when Nas um, named his company Ill Will, right? Yeah. And I believe that he had to change the name of his company because it's easy to say like [ __ ] it will, but L Will is an actual person; Elroy was his actual best friend. Yeah. So did—this was it ever a time where you said that about naming your album that? Because let's suppose somebody don't like this album, and somebody could say [ __ ] Donda; they're not saying [ __ ] your mother, but they're saying [ __ ] the actual material. Did you ever feel any concern about that name in it after—after her? Not at all. But I have seen them do these things when when everybody said they liked Donda way better than uh, CLB; they had this thing when they had these football players coming up saying, "What you like better, CLB or Donda?" And then they was like, "CLB," and then one of them was like, "Yeah, [ __ ] Donda." I was like, "Bro, that's my mama." Yeah, yeah. So oh. [Applause] No, but um, so so you did feel that a certain way, like it was a football player saying [ __ ]? Yeah, but he was saying [ __ ] the album. Okay, so moving on. Who was it that you said you wanted to work with—the Baby—and you couldn't work with them?

Oh yeah, it's like people in my camp was trying to protect me from working with DaBaby. It's so funny. I—Baby—a little Baby—I forgot which one was it. Well, you know, it was really hard for me to get in contact with both of them in all actuality. I had to tweet to really get a red hat on at the time, though. No, no, this is after I had a red tide, but I still got a red hat on today. I'll let y'all know that—I might not got it on—I'll let y'all know where I stand. That was one of the um, the the thing was your first listening session was in the Mercedes-Benz Stadium in uh, Atlanta, and that was one of the the standout things—for one, getting to hear you and Jay back together. Yeah. Didn't hear Jay say that this might be the return of the Throne, but he did say, "I told him put that red—back—see that red red hat all along." Yeah, that was funny, bro. I literally got on some like Michael from Goodfellas, like going crazy, like, "It ain't like that; you can't tell me what happened." I don't have gangs to try to take my hat when I was little. It was like—and then but I did get him though because I heard that he was watching on the the third listening session. Okay, so we start off with Jail this song, and then it's like he's not on it; then it's the Baby—Baby—he's not on there. Yeah, we watched that too. Yeah. And he had to be like—but the Baby versus—hard to make, you know, it's another thing; it's so funny. Okay, uh, I was sitting in the studio with uh—I'm sitting backstage at Soldier Field with Roddy Ricch and the Baby, and I was like, "Yo, God really got a new level of shooters around right now; they they in another algorithm." It's the whole thing—the way the Baby be, right? He'd go into that beat and out of that beat; around that beat, he'll give you the melody. That man was the number one streaming artist for a reason. This is like Terminator 3, you know I'm saying? I understand people like a slow flow here and then blah blah, but that's the thing—that's the moment when uh, obviously like Nas made Ether, and that's gonna be forever, you know? I made Takeover. No, no, I never knew that. Yeah, I made Takeover. No, I never knew that. And my girlfriend, Sumiki Rainey from Chicago, is the one that gave me the sample. She gave me the sample for the Truth, and she gave me a sample for Takeover. She's like, "Eyes is one that kind of sounds like the Truth; you might like it." Takeover. Come on. Don't don't don't take it. Oh, you know, let's Kanye. Yeah, we have a game on our show. Yeah. What'd you finish? Are you—oh yeah, I wanted to say about some—about related to Takeover. Oh, okay. The algorithm. Okay. Is that your [ __ ]? That was the moment when Jay-Z went like this, and Nas was like this because Nas couldn't—we go in Chicago; we call it sniping. Nas is my favorite rapper. I said that, man. Yeah, many times I said, "This is my favorite rapper." But the moment when it shifted was the um [Music] when Nas couldn't rap that style, and Jay-Z could. And I think the moment—I need you to clarify what you mean. I'm sorry. Then is that your [ __ ]? And y'all on this ride when you're holding this like—how we got from Chicago. Okay, okay, okay. How we call the sniper—how how Bone Thugs—like Double Dragon—would you say double-time twist? And yeah, we call it sniping, right? So but Nas, he could—he on snipe, you know, something like that. And then the thing that I feel uh, affected Jay was actually death of Auto-Tune, because Auto-Tune didn't die, right? Actually, it's like the most—I think the most influential artist actually of the past 10 years is Future. Oh, most important—most influential to our sound today. And then you you throw in, you know, Chief Keef. You ever took—you got to see what Future—no, no. And then also one thing is like with Soulja Boy is top five most influential, and I'm not going to argue with you [ __ ] about this at all as far as to what we are today. Yeah, you know that's it's like, "Take them off your album." You hear that verse? No, but I tell you what though, I'm so sorry, I wasn't ready. I tell you what though, Soulja Boy is the future, though. Future—the future is a couple people, you know? I got some things—even when my style is like—I never like touched the sky and Gold Digger—that style; I only liked Can't Tell Me Nothing to say you will, and that's why I'm still here today because everything is moving around us, you know, saying it's like my wife changed the the the thought of the idea of beauty. Yeah, I'm saying it was it was white girls at her school that used to talk down on her for having an ass, and now it's white girls that go and get ass, you know? So Can't Tell Me Nothing—my thoughts behind—I I did Can't Tell Me—I'm for Jeezy, and it was his record; it was for him. Okay, and I got DJ Toomp to do the drums because I love what you know about that. Oh, let me tell you about when Atlanta took over rap; it was Bone Crusher; it was the moment it changed—that's when Atlanta took over. Yes, that was—yeah, because also you gotta understand, I'm like Kobe, LeBron, or Michael Jordan, or Phil Jackson of rap; I study; I understand the game. Also, I'm I'm not only a client; I'm the player president; I'm not—I'm going to play on my customers. But when you say "take over" from the perspective of what? Because Goodie Mob and and and uh, OutKast and what they was doing was was changing it; it wasn't true; it wasn't—now I'm not gonna say that uh, Goodie Mob, OutKast—it wasn't as street as T.I.; it didn't have all the [ __ ] like T.I.—Father God, excuse me for saying [ __ ]—but the orphanage that I'm creating called Donda—I named that to my mom because my mom saved my life. My mom was like, "I'm keeping Kanye." Um, this orphanage is gonna provide—first of all, the way God is—we already got—what do we call them—bed nurses?

Um, all right, so this is like when you go and get your ultrasound, they tell you if your baby's gonna come out okay. In hospitals today, they would tell a black mother that the baby's not gonna come out okay because we are inside us as 12 tribes of Judah, as a member of the Hebrew people; we are still inside of our genocide. 50% of all black deaths a year is abortion, and black deaths a year is abortion, and Plan B was created by Margaret Sanger with the KKK for black population control. Uh, you're getting deep right now. Yeah. This is what I cried about during the election—that those tears is gonna be gospel someday. And what am I doing? I know the guy from Texas got a lot of backlash for changing the laws; I'm not in a position—that's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing is providing a plan, a opportunity where you can bring your children if you feel like you can't take care of them; you ain't got a place to take them; you don't have a support system; we got a place that's gonna have—I'm like, "You thought I wasn't gonna try to get killed in this interview?" Dr. Sebi's diet, right? Based off Dr. Sebi's diet—saving not only black children but all God's children—given the opportunity of a utopia. Because the reason why we ain't get our 40 acres and a mule is we have 40 acres; we have more people; we have more people, and we have leadership with the leaders not strategically taken out of the community in the 80s, and the drugs and guns put into it, and then the algorithm, you know I'm saying? The 808—the 808 exists in the lowest chakra of your body; the majority of content that's related to the 808 is killer or sexual content. The original 808 was even off-pitch, so that meant it's an actual sound in the track that you don't realize is there that is [ __ ] up your entire frequency. And now today, every time I hear a car come out, it's 808. But if you think about African music and hip hop and when he's breaking—to break dance to it—was light, the percussion; it was upbeat; it was the drums. Now it's like—and all of this is a bigger—and it's like, man, you know, at this point it's like they should have killed me when I said, "George Bush doesn't care about black people." I ain't got nothing to say, you know? They—SNL—making my wife say I divorced them on TV because they just wanted to get that bar off, and I ain't never even seen the papers; we're not even divorced. Uh, so how we—because they ain't no joke to me; my kids want their parents to stay together; I want their parents—I want us to be together. But if you try to be together too—if you look at the media, that's not what they promoting; that's not what they want; they want it to be a new wedding, a new episode, a new TV show. And then they have people all around, and my wife here, you know, say, "This is publicist," that's next to her. I don't [ __ ] with her. That was as clear as you could say. Yeah. Oh, you thought I wasn't gonna try to get killed? This center—all right, so this is a game you play with all our guests. [Music] Let's get into some games; it's called Quick Time with Slime, right? Yeah. I do not want over our house, and I don't [ __ ] with some of them nannies, either. All right. What's the game? Okay. All right, it's called Quick Time for Slime. You can pick one or the other; you either pick one or the other, or you pick one and uh [ __ ]—you pick [ __ ] both of them. Either you pick—oh, they're the same, and they both here right now; both of them. So you taking the shot? I said—but I said same; I said they're the same, and they both here right now; both are neither. There's a shotgun—a shot of this. Yeah, you can do this. Follow my brother—my brother. All right, well, I get that; I gotta have the luxury—the celebrity version, guys. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. I know you know. Okay, so this this one I don't know where you're gonna go with this one—Common. Oh, definitely Common. Are you—man, that's sure—oh, no, no, it ain't Showtime. Okay, hey, shut down—Common is a thousand times better rapping than Q-Tip. What you talking about? No, I gotta disagree with you. I'm taking a shot just because—you know, you can take a shot, but no—you ask me my opinion. Okay, your opinion. That's true. Yeah, that's true. My opinion is like—everybody know that Common is a thousand—the only thing I don't like about Common is he like works for the Democrats to be saying all kind of like whatever they tell them to do. This is a light-skinned [ __ ] be doing John Legend; it's just different; it's different. This one—this one I think it's gonna be a little hard. No, but also Q-Tip be getting up and like, "Come back home—home, where [ __ ]"—you know what I'm saying? When I wear—when I got a different opinion—a Trump hat, it's like [ __ ]—Carly—you you single-handedly kept baseball caps in business; you the last [ __ ] with this type of hat on trying to tell me where to—where to come home to, you know what I'm saying? And just turn up. And then when he was on here, he didn't tell you the story about when me and 88-Keys picked him up from his house, drove to Marina del Rey, and had um, breakfast together and vibed out. He didn't tell you that. I feel that the Black Star album is the hardest album since Dark Fantasy. This is the best album since Dark Fantasy. Up here talking about, you know, it's an agenda; it's all controlled, man; it's like, you know, crabs in a barrel. Jay-Z got this—my favorite line—you say, "But why would crabs be—crabs shouldn't be in a barrel." So how you gonna tell me how crabs are act if they had a barrel? Of course, they put it in a barrel; what you talking about? But yeah, man, it's like that's my issue, man. Man, and all these like backhand—oh yeah, you know uh, Ye, you know, he's he's he's a billionaire, but [ __ ] him being a billionaire—they need to be more billionaires. He he doing—he he and thin air, but he not like Dave Chappelle; he's not like down with the people; he not that man. You can't tell me what I'm going through in my life and whether I'm with the people and adjustment of how I should be like you. If I be like you, Crowley, I'll be where you at now. If you take the average 99% of people, say, "Do you want to be Q-Tip or do you want to be Ye?" More people gonna want to be Ye. [Applause] So like you told that man, "Don't give me no advice; go open up a book; read yourself to death, man," you know what I'm saying? That's another thing—people be so like—people will be so, you know, "Oh, I'm well-read; I'm well-read." I can't read that well, bro; I can't I can't count that way; that's not my that's not my skill set. But tribally, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if that's a real word; I'm sure it's not. Quality—so tribally, you know, if we if we was uh, back you know, in African times—you got to understand Shakespeare created 30% of our language; we speaking the language; it's not our own; we speak the drums; that's why it's so hard—that's why it's so hard for it to be a black billionaire, and it's so hard to get a Post Malone, you know what I mean? Like a white—black dude or something, you know? You get—it's so—it's very few and far between that somebody can figure out because the game and society—America—has been made for us to not figure it out. So all these books—when we go to college and we discriminate again against each other—we got this degree that ain't gonna add up to [ __ ] to us getting a job for another white person. And I gotta say that, you know why? Because my—I was separated from my dad, and I just now understand what happened. My mom was an actress, but she also had a B plan of being an English professor um, and she went for a gig, and she didn't get it, and she went to be a professor. Now, her and my dad is separated, but they uh—but I was still in town. She got a job offer in Chicago from this white organization—Chicago State University—and it separated me from my best friend, so I had to grow up around people who didn't understand me, who didn't love me. People was looking at me as an opportunity since I was 14 because I was a prodigy, you know? I've been had industry friends—so to say, "Oh, we're gonna go over here, and we're gonna get some beats out this [ __ ]; we're gonna go this this type of—" because my mom uh, separated me for the opportunity of more money. Society is set set up to have people go away to college, go away here, and in between your dorm room and your college, or in between your hometown and where you got to go to school, it's going to be a bunch of liquor stores; it's going to be a bunch of strip clubs; there's going—

To be a bunch of malls, it's going to be a bunch of things that people we do that when we don't have that love. Like a kibbutz. We need Christian kibbutz. We can have communities be as close, but kibbutz-like. Jewish people have this type of circular community, like a community center. No, it's like where they live and where we need to live, where the grandparents can take care of the kids. It's better to have a grandparent taking care of kids than a nanny. Take kids hired love, right? Right. You get up saying that we move as a community, and as a community, we will not fail. There's communities that didn't go into slavery, like I think it's Masada. Okay, hold on a slide. I don't want to go there. Let me do a shot, dude.

And I said all that to say that we got our opinion with quality. I love quality. I never really liked the way he rapped; um, he was trying to get away with this. We could never mention and quality in the same breath. Keep it going. Okay. Oh [ __ ] holy [ __ ]. All right, hurry man, push up on Big Sean. Oh, I love this. Let me tell you that when I die, on my tombstone, it's gonna say, "I deserve to be here because I signed Big Sean." So I'm not quite sure of your pick. Yeah, you're not quite sure. Um, big shot, he's saying, you know, Big Sean over Pusha T. No, I'm saying that the worst thing I've ever done was sign Big Sean. That's that's a beautiful thing. Oh, that's a beautiful thing, man. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, worries. I think you said the best. Okay, hold on. No, man, look, they let that man, I know this man's mama, bro. You know what I'm saying? I've changed this man's family, and both John Legend and Big Sean, when I ran for office, got used quick. Body Democrats to come at a boy that actually changed their life, and that's some sellout [ __ ], and I don't rock with neither of them, and they and I need I need my apologies. I ain't saying they don't change, but [ __ ] are scared.

I feel you. They, you know what I'm saying? Anybody ain't got 100 talents, they they got him under pressure. You still got him signed to your contract? Is he still on, man? Good. When we sign, we just we're just working for the white labels. We ain't signing nobody. This ain't independent. Ye's the only 100% independent, you know, uh, Black owned or whatever. I don't know, be owned after this uh, after this interview, but uh, but you can, I'm saying like when we sign, said we don't sign somebody, we're signing someone to the bigger Vivindi slave ship, to the bigger Universal station. Cause y'all saying, oh, all these tweets is crazy. You know why Prince gave me the song "Jail"? Because he liked what I did, and he's like, "I like what you did with him contracts." He said Prince gave him to you, right, man? He definitely. Guess who's going to jail trying to get away from corporations with the slave on a slave on this chick. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Michael Jackson, bro. This man, okay, we gotta get through quick. Thomas, all right, go ahead, go ahead. It's not gonna be quick, man. I like, if you want yourself today, if you want your flowers, it's like, man, okay, if you took Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson, Prince, the existence of Kanye West. Oh, he's so crazy. He's like, okay, well, if I'm crazy and it's up, then it's up, then it's up, then let me move on to the next question. Um, Biggie or Big Pun? Well, Biggie for me, but equal level, they equal geniuses, though. I love that. Okay, let's move on. Um, I gotta take a shot. Yeah, this is just on the CEO level. This is not artist, this is not just just CEO. One second. You know, Puff is my GOAT and twin. GOAT and twins, are you not letting that? Okay, so um, but uh, with Sean and John, you know, Pusha voted Democrat, uh, voted for Kamala. We ain't seen her since the election, either, and the I said you saw Whole Foods, they got 94% of the Black female vote. You would have thought Drake was running. [Applause] Push it in, come out and outright diss me to the public, right? You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, he know he like, man, I'm not going to do that, like I didn't diss Virgil when he took the Louis. You know what I'm saying? These people came out, and then John Legend, he sounds so white. He was like, the rapper, the rapper, it's just like, man, it's like, where's God in this conversation? Yeah, I'm saying where who do you work for? Because if you don't work for God, then you're working for the devil. So who are you working for at this point? I'm a man of God. God got me covered, and as long as I'm alive, God's not finished. God damn it. All right, let's make some noise for that. This is just okay, okay, okay. You're getting lit. Okay. This is just on the CEO level. Jay, ordained just CEO, absolutely, thousand percent. Dame Dash? Oh, really? Okay. There's a dangerous explanation for this. Damn, that's the visionary. Okay, he's the original Black hipster. I'm the devil's worst nightmare. I'm Dame Dash with money. I don't know how to take that. Woman and and I'm also Jay and Dame combined. Yeah, I'm saying that's why I'm still here. Yeah, I'm saying Dame had to has the vision, you see it, and this man, I remember um, what's his name? What's Steve Rifkind, the song? Yeah, he said he said he said, "Oh, damn, is in Ye's pocket." Hey, white white boy, don't ever speak on me, and uh, and Dame don't ever speak on our situation of me taking care of the man to put me on. Right? Beautiful, beautiful [ __ ], like, you know what I'm saying? Because that's what all you think I'm a man. Not everybody that now you might gonna make the money, you know I'm saying? If you got a community, you're gonna have people who can figure out how to earn. I said I said I was one of Jay's DJs, best earner anytime he needed that beat, boom. You know what I'm saying? So Dave never had to work again, period. You know what I'm saying? Anything ever need, I'm I'm here. The more and more money I got, this is my family. I'm never gonna let nobody speak on our relationship or the game. Hmm, no Beanie, because even though I talk about, so you went Ravini? Yeah, no shots. Okay. Yeah, because of, you know, I always envy, you know, I was jealous of like Busta Rhymes, how perfect he rapped. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's about busting the verses. What do you say? Would you battle Busta in the verses? Uh, man, I'll battle anybody. Don't your man have someone say like that's it? Absolutely. Battle anybody. I don't care. You tell me, I yourself. Okay, so okay, Beanie, just because I'm like I'm in that I'm in that like sophisticated kind of like, if I hooked, I would hoop like D-Rose or Curry or Kobe or something like I'm real like slick, like you just look at my color palette and my whole I'm like on some like Puff Daddy, you know, like real, and Beanie, you know, all the Roc-A-Fella rappers really had, you know, Freeway was like the closest to like the Ol' Dirty Bastard, but I I I used to say when I wanted to rap, I was like, man, I cut one of my fingers off to have Busta Rhymes' voice and his his skill set. Yeah, when I wanted to be a rapper back in Chicago. So Beanie is that man, like we were just listening that what you do is wrong, wrong, the way he was on every and by the way, here's another thing I oh, I still owe Beanie money, and I've been trying to give him this money for a minute. He's going to get the money. He's going to get the money. I think the member will get all right, cause he made up the name Ye. He used to call me Ye. Biggs just texted me that. Yeah, yeah. Wait, wait. So he made up the name Ye. He used to call me Ye. This is the thing, people who took a like it to me in volatile situations would always give me a nickname, so it seemed like I was like cool like them. So my boy Molly, they used to sell guns, he he's completely legal, he he called me K-Roc, you know, when when I would be like on 79th for this and stuff like, you know, so that's like that was being his name for me when I was at baseline. Geez, like on some no, that's Jeezy, like making one of us. He let me wear a State Property chain, like he really just embraced me because it was like, yo, most of the money that was real, that's some real [ __ ] right there. Yeah. How are you gonna lie? Okay. And I've been trying to give it to I was like, man, this man made up then it's like, you know, the the lady who made the Nike swoosh, Phil Knight went back and made sure she was straight, or the lady that made the fidget spinner. I don't know if she's straight yet, but she's a [ __ ] that made the thong because he needed money too, but when it's Cisco [Laughter] All right, you ready? Yeah. Kiss, so fast. Take a shot. You can take a shot. No, I'mma the thing is, you know, I'mma have to say Kiss, um, you know, because what I want to cut my finger off for that voice, that voice, and then man, he's still it's so funny, man. It's just like people when I was uh, come like back in like early in my career, rappers used to like stop rapping, and now it's like [ __ ] really have something to say and have a great perspective, like when I work with architects, the architect I work with that's designed in the Donda orphanage and various things, this architect is 80 years old. He just turned 80 in September. Look at like Pusha T, like look at me. I'm actually 44 years old, and I'm competing at the highest level at 44. It's like LeBron or like seven-ring Brady, you know, competing at that level, and that's how Jada that Jadis and obviously Fab, both of them got bars. I just always loved uh, also another thing, it's like they was in the game before me, so me and Manop used to ride around Chicago. Monopoly? Yeah, John Monopoly. We should just ride around and marvel at, you know, the new Swiss Beats with them on and just and then Mase, Murder, and DMX, and this is like our man, like I mean, I'mma always look at people that way, you know, the way that I always see him as gods as, you know, so this one should be easy for you. Nas or Jay Electronica? Was nice because that's who um, because I because now is my favorite rapper because it's Nas. What do you mean? It's not it's not it's not he's like ordained in our video game to be the best rapper and considered to be the best. Yeah, it's nice. His name is synonymous with greatest, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. At the end of except one time I caught him with um um Vans on. I didn't like it, right? I I played basketball against him, and that's what I knew hip-hop was dead. Yeah, you know, he can't pull a ball for [ __ ], he can't fall off and [ __ ]. Oh, I'm sorry, I love you, but I do not let him win his frisbee, letting him win, so he thought he was good, but I I'd let him know. Not not the y'all y'all I got [Laughter] Okay, for real or Timbaland beat-wise only? I'mma roll with Timbaland because of um the sample style and the fact that he when he came through Virginia, and Virginia is a very or else from Virginia as well, just in case you don't know. Here for a [Laughter] Yeah, our show was about giving people flowers. We really want to get your flowers. We want to give you a praise. You're really one of the most inspirational people in hip-hop. I have never seen anybody like when Jesus when the sneakers drop, I see people outside the doors, and it makes me be so proud that I could call you a friend. I can call you uh a person that I communicate with, and I really really are proud of you, and I and we [ __ ] love you. All this [ __ ]. [Applause] Let's do it. So all right, cool. We're moving on. Moving on. Holy moly guacamole, this is good. Oh, no, I gotta give at least one short explanation about Timbaland. The reason why I say 10 mL because he's from Virginia. That's the reason. No, instead is that kind of Fred Hampton, um, DeVante, Jodeci, that cord that church thing, that Detroit depot, Chicago deep house, those church courts, that's it. Timbaland was one of the and the main thing that we do at Sunday Service is that we want to do Fred Hammond. We want to get Joe. Yeah, so that's so even when I did this album, Emmanuel's or Christmas Town, our notes, you would think it's like some Catholic choir, but the notes have the updated operating system. It has those type of um that those type of chord progressions. Now, mind you, like for real, where I'll get them the chords, though, because you know why? I feel like Pharrell is actually you Pharrell is actually lost members of Native Tongue. Yeah, did I can I get that accurate? Yeah, because like you guys weren't tough guys to quote-unquote, but you guys were hip-hop. Is that accurate, or I'm a little happy got me? Yeah. Okay, okay. All right, MPC 3000 or MPC 2000 XL? Yeah, the 2000. I use the 2000. So I got to go with the 2000. I don't know. I don't know, using it? Yeah, I still use that. That's what I still use, the ASR and the 2000. Yeah. Okay. Analog or digital? I just say analog right off the back. I like shoot stuff for 16 millimeter, but we use Pro Tools. Okay. So Fat Joe or Guru? Damn, well, Fat Joe, cause I grew up saying, "I gotta flow Joe, how to flow." Okay. Puff Daddy or Dr. Dre? Well, Puff Daddy because we twins. I like that. That's enough. Very good, man. Also, he got that. Yeah, I mean, it's just like uh, that's like what Consequence is like. It's that that's that bop like that, you know, it's just like Puff's bop. That's closer to like Dre's got his bop is like the West Coast bop, but I really was like also trying to put the shakers and, you know, trying to be all the Hitman in one. So Swiss Beats or Just Blaze? Well, Swiss Beats definitely because Just Blaze is a copycat, you know, he get credit for the Blueprint, and I did the first half of the Blueprint, and he just copied my half and got dude. I mean, look, look, why I'm out today in the greenhouse today, so let's let's just show you. No, what do you mean? I'll be here, my and then it'd be all over the radio. I have my girlfriend from Chicago, we'll be in Hot 97 and stuff, listen to the radio, it'd be another Just Blaze song, another Just Blaze song. [Laughter] All right. Oh, no, I like I like the originators, man. I don't mind like, you know, the copycats too, and by the way, you just gotta say it like it is, you know what I'm saying? I said if somebody copy me, I'm like, "You copy me," you know, I tell try like, "Yo, you copy me, boy," and it's like, but I but I love I love you, but just know what it is. You know what I'm saying? We ain't got to be no, but hey, man, it's our community, man. We could like we just be I this this other thing when I had the record when I'm saying Virgil and Drake, just cause I say somebody's name don't mean it's a beef record. This is not beef. I ain't saying nothing. I just said I put these two uh men on the same text. I said, "Stop it with the funny mess," like, "Don't man, we ain't operating." Yeah, put the two on the same text. Yeah, with the funny message. That's what's the ball. Yeah, that's on the that's on the song. I'm naming I'm I'm saying names because I don't like subliminals. I don't like subs subs sub sub-bait, you know, 808s. I don't like nothing. Why I can't see is that just be straightforward, you know, whatever it is, I honor that, you know, I respect that. You know what I'm saying? I gotta hey, this is how I feel, this is how you feel, and let's talk on that way. Let's not talk through no managers, let's not talk through no assistants, no bodyguards, no no nobody using you. [Laughter] Cool. Okay. Busta or Missy? [Music] They both from Virginia. Now? Yeah, just playing. I'm just playing. Nah, but I I look at them as different genres, though, a bit, but you talk about like on if it's videos artists, yeah, hmm, or whatever in your mind. Yeah, whatever you're buying criteria that you create that's same, actually, then same. Take a shot, then god damn it. Come on, baby. We outside. We need to come back. Please, please don't confuse your cup with that [ __ ] representative. Hey, I'm sorry, you know, I love you, mama, not so much. Okay, yo, this is let me tell you, I want to make clear why I have a major problem. It's a publicist because she promotes fear, and if my wife can be scared, who the main person she gonna be scared of, and then after that, who my kids gonna be scared of? If you promote the idea of fear and reading every single comment and be in her ear all the time giving these mid-level suggestions, not one suggestion I would ever take from this person, but all the suggestions I gave my wife, now she on the cover of Vogue, now she a multi-billionaire, but now my relationship is and then whenever something about our press or what the kids' names is, she part of putting that information out, but then she over my house and I and I told her on the phone a week ago, I said, "I'm being nice. Y'all want to keep playing with me. If it's up, then it's up, cause at the end of the day, I got to protect my children at all costs, and if they're using their version, I'm using my version, because guess what? I could get Nori's number. That's right. And what's my and what's my daughter's name? Nori. By the way, one of my best compliments I ever had in my whole life, um, he was going to um to see you perform, yeah, to watch you perform. This is the first time I think you did the circle where you was in the circle, and you grabbed your wife. I was with my wife. You grabbed your wife and you grab that you pull the over to me, and the cameras is right in my face. I turn red. I even know I'm brown, I'm turning red. I'm like, yeah, I just want to say hi to you, and you said, "This is who we named our daughter after," and that's just the biggest compliment I ever got. It's two of the biggest columnists. I love is when you did that and when Court Megan said, "You you learning on the job and you win it," and I don't know how to think. I don't I don't know. Do I get a free beat or let's move on? Let's move something. Let's move on because this is Drake's so great. Okay. OutKast or Wu-Tang Clan? Oh, I gotta stay for this. Yeah, OutKast for me. Okay. Okay, that was pretty cool. Scarface, uh, Ice Cube. That's another one. I just talked to Scarface yesterday. It's so crazy, and then you know, I I'll be hanging with Cube. Oh [ __ ]. For me, it's a shot. I'm trying to see who influenced me more. I I I like Cube better personally for like if I play his listener, but Scarface is more influential to me as a rapper and to everyone as a rapper. He's another important part because when Scarface switched his style when he started turning his words like around, like Mary Mary, every man, I got this love for him in my life and indeed another form of life. Jay will add that Scarface flow to this flow. I'm talking about people who added to the flow. Um, you can't say it's not a specific thing where people could even wrap like Ice Cube because rap Ice Cube until he like really did the yeah, and like added a style to it. His style was kind of similar to mine where it's like it was sort of you couldn't pinpoint it, you couldn't imitate it, you couldn't it was just like Cube. Me and Cube are both Geminis. You're both saying the same thing from Virginia, uh, Gemini. Yeah, yeah. Geminis got the most uh goats and rap, though. Okay, so basically you're saying Biggie's are just saying no. You're saying are you?

Saying I'm saying tastes uh, like my, you know, music is, I love both of them, but I'm gonna say Cube. But I'm saying Scarface was more influential as a rap because he added, like, you gotta look at rap like it's the NBA, and there's certain people. Remember Kobe's shoot up like this, or like AI, or you know, people have added things to the overall game, you know, the half of the NBA is like number 23; it's, you know, people, and Scarface added something to it that people don't pinpoint enough, and that's specifically when he did that.

I would like to get into the science of rapping and science and music. Um, Travis Scott or Kid Cudi? Kid Cudi, because Travis is a mix of me, Cudi, and Rocky Jesus. Okay, Lil Baby or The Baby? Man, what I was saying is like, hmm, no, because they they both are equally adding something new to rap itself. Like, it's mad people that rap like people just rap like Lil Baby's like, listen, so many people just rap like little [ __ ]. You could pick, pick, Wolf, won't pick one. Okay, you can pick one and take a shot if you big both. You sound like you said both. I'm gonna go with Lil Baby. Okay, opportunity because I did say Lil Baby is my favorite, right? Because the thing is, and I just hear his raps, you know, he was on, it was a concert plan, and it just, it just put me into a mode. It's like he hit something, and you know that's what like rap it gotta, and that's the thing, if [ __ ] is that's what like rappers I feel like lose that ability to really put people in that mode where they want to like do better, business, work out, create whatever they want to do. It's like if you lose jokes because it ain't nothing, it's it's nothing I said in this interview that's not what I would say.

It's interesting. Yeah, yeah. Not that I wouldn't feel, and I think it's interesting that it comes off as shocking in any way because I'm not really saying nothing shocking. It's like, you know, you know John Legend gonna always show up and just do whatever them folks tell them to do, man. You know that's not a shocking thing, man. Okay, Wu-Tang, Wu-Tango, NWA. Um, definitely Wu-Tang. Would you have me stumped if you said Wu-Tango? Mob Deep. All right, damn, I'ma skip this one. I'm gonna go Ray or Ghost. Sheesh, it's a shame. Well, Ghost. Okay, because I'm a little bit more on the spectrum. I'm a little bit more on the crazier side of things, so I have a tendency to have been emotional in the past and to do things in an emotional way. And the funny thing is, people say out there interview that, oh yeah, you made it harder for yourself. I said, no, I made it easier for myself. Don't text me [ __ ]. Don't, I don't want the cap if you don't like, period. I don't like caps. I made it, I want to simplify my my amount of friends, you know, my amount of people that I go but they crib or till they spot and stuff. So yeah, go ahead though. Okay, I wasn't ready for none of this.

Um, front flexor kick uh, or Kick-a-Free? Oh snap. DJ Wise, obviously? Yeah, Funk Flex, because it was a part of, you know, have people have hoop dreams, you have rap dreams. Funk Flex voice or play? I still be like, we gotta, we play Otis. There is no Otis without Funk Flex. There's no, there's no 5V on the album without Funk Flex. I heard him do the freestyle on Funk's Flex and got him a jet fighter. Yeah, yeah, to Atlanta. That I was hoping. Yeah, I was like, yo, I want to be flued out. Yeah, I [ __ ] with you. I like that term. Yeah, so it's funny because Chris Rock, we had the song, me and Jay had a song, Ham, and I was very into that tempo to 60 or 120, 50, that tempo, that [ __ ] of Paris eventually ended up being and put people there now. Like, I remember Boo called me like, is that show? He texted, that's your first single. Yeah, was it Ham? Now, mind you, Ham was the first time we ever saw the Givenchy dogs because we had Givenchy, Ricardo Tisci, head designer, that did the gold cover that was doing all the Rockwilders did that cover. The first time he ever actually saw the dog was on me and Jay-Z for single-hand. So we, I remember uh, LeBron was uh, losing in a championship and it actually said, who's watching the throne, and I took a track off of what was going to be my album follow-up to Dark Fantasy that I heard when we all was at dinner, and it it it was the oldest sample and I chopped it up, and I was going to go to Milan to do something in fashion, and I was about to be late for the flight. I had a Don C snapback on and a tank top and a Mercer just chopping up uh, Otis. Oh, because I was like, yo, we not gonna lose this game. We're not gonna lose this game, no matter what. I'm gonna give you all this. We're gonna, I took a new day off on my next album. I took Otis on my next album, and we got into this big argument because he had this song called Holy Grail that he had Justin Timberlake, and I was like, we need to put this on this album, and then he's like, nah, and that's why everybody knows Jay is very selfish, and we had a very like, damn, I didn't know this. Go ahead, come on. It's Jay-Z, man. I love him. We we all love him, but you know he's very selfish, and that was a, he'll say he's like, man, I'm selfish. I'm selfish. Okay, so um, he wouldn't give that song. I'm like, man, how I'm giving off what you're saying is Holy Grail was originally supposed to be on Watch the, no, it was supposed to be on his album. Okay, but he and I said we need this because we don't need to be losing like, hal LeBron and him and just lost in this championship. He wanted to make that even better. I wanted to make the I'm better. He wanted to say to him it's something that I heard that that's when y'all fell out because like, no, we fell out many times as my brother. Okay, so whenever you do some J [ __ ] and I do some Yay [ __ ], we don't say [ __ ]. [Laughter] That's some real [ __ ]. So um, when I um, get lifted, I don't know why John Legend voice just came. [Laughter] All right, so um, so anyway, um, what we talked about Holy Grail. No, no, Holy Grail, we got mad about that. I was like, I'm giving all this and you ain't giving the equal amount, and I find that in life, period. I I I I find that, you know, I love Jay so much. It's like I love the city of Chicago so much, and it was always like the same thing with Jay or Chicago. They always wanted to be somebody more gangster. They didn't want it to be Yay. That was if it would Kim, maybe she wanted to be a ball player or something. You know, it was like nobody wanted to be Yay or, you know, uh, with the LVMH group, but differently, they wanted to be somebody who's more controllable. They didn't want it to be, you know, uh, they didn't want it to be Yay, and it's always like this uphill battle. I still, I, you know, so far I just could never erase the way Tata would look at me sometimes when I go to the to the studio, and I always felt like it was an error that like, no matter how big you get, [ __ ] [ __ ], you you know me like that kind of thing, and that's how I always, that's how he always makes me feel. So whenever I like get mad at Jay, I get mad at Tata at the same time. Always like I gotta pull him into the same thing because, you know, you'll never forget that, you know what I'm saying? Like, [ __ ], what's wrong with my Polo type? You know, like you ain't gonna look me into a uh, throwback. Holy, holy god, I'm gonna keep my Polo on actually, but they wrote people all the Rockefeller Awards throwbacks because of me though, real talk. Okay, because I would go down to Atlanta and they had the Michelin stand in the middle of the Linux mall, and I'd take my little producer money and I was I'm I'm a garmento at the end of the day. My family made the first bootleg Louis Vuitton jogger suits because they would like um, when they would confiscate the drugs inside the Louis Vuitton bath, they cut up the bags. My family went and would take the patches and put them on the clothes. So that means like when they had Howard Hughes died, they called it the Aviator. My film gonna be called Garmento because I am the biggest person, like I said in every interview I've ever been in, the biggest person I ever existed in fashion. You could Google it for the past three years. Yeezy has been the number one most Google brand, most valuable brand on the planet. Don't hit the horns, don't hit no claps. I'm still okay. I'm still in the midst of something. Okay, go go go go back. But somehow we drifted to uh, the Snickers in fashion. Let's just stick over there. No, no, it was something in the train of thought that I wanted to say before I got to the thing about my family. He was talking about the throwbacks. Yeah, so I would come back to baseline and I have like the Astros all or something, and then Jay will be like, you know where you get that from? I was like, Atlanta. Then I come with another one. He's like, oh, I come with the third one and say, what you living in Lana? So also, Don C always been like on like that, you know, hypebeast kind of like selling clothes online since day one, back on the back when the letters was green on the computer screen, and he would be buying stuff for cheaper, and Fab would go on by his throwbacks from Dawn, and it's before Don became my manager, right? But by the time when me and Don came together, we really, that's what Jim Jones would tell you, that's where we revolutionized it because we used to sit there and be like, when we get money, [ __ ] ain't gonna be able to see us. When we get this money, it was me and Donna's just be sitting there like, yo, we get this, and when I got it, went to the Louis store, got all these Louie bags, started doing the shoes with that. I even bought like the Louis suede, it kind of looked like this jacket and stuff. Is this one shoot where I got the glasses, the jacket, the Louis bags, and he's like, what are you doing all that? That that Louis luggage and stuff? I don't know, it made me feel regal or something like some Coming to America type uh, type vibes. So now Don got a store, right now I'm in the process of, you know, I've asked nicely to get my own Balenciaga store because I like my pool. You know, sometimes people say they go to Balenciaga store and be like, man, I don't look like how, yeah, and can be looking and this and that, like, and I'm like, your pull means your pick, right? You are the clothes that I picked. That's the official affiliation with Balenciaga because I, a lot of people got mad at Gucci, yeah, when Gucci came out with this, yeah, this lips where they was mocking black people. A lot of people thought that, but Balenciaga and Gucci is is are they related? Yeah, it's the same group. It's uh, Francois Pinault, one of my favorite, I like, no, this is my, these are my um, what do you call um, not counterparts, but like when y'all work in the same field, your peers? Yeah, these are my peers. You know, Bernard Arnault is my peer, Pinault is my peer, so Renzo Rosso is my peer, Elon is my peer. Did you actually, this Bezos is my peer, Jack Ma is my peer, Jesus. I just want y'all to understand who my peers are. Jesus, as it appears, all the rest is dead. Holy [ __ ]. Okay, okay. Those are your peers. Steve Jobs, Disney, Hughes. Okay, okay. Now, yes, this is the same company, but man, how about we start owning some stock or some land? What we own? Braids? You can't have braids. Well, we own the N-word. You can't say [ __ ], but you can't buy your house. You telling somebody what they can't do. The person they on the block is saying what the [ __ ] they want to say, and we talking about this our block. You don't own the block. And you know how you own the block? First of all, it's saving what you're financially doing. It it's it's the way you taking care of the block. But who, that's easy for me to say, right? I had both my parents. I'm amazingly attractive and talented. [Laughter] You know, but we are put like we say, crabs in a barrel. We are in a barrel. We not, we now put the 40 acres in the mule and the more and more we look at like the numbers on YouTube, but this uh, you know, the, you know, busted. I don't even gotta, I don't gotta watch right now. Pastor gave me a a Timex that I wore. I had the one where I had like this uh, 200. Yeah, I actually bought it that day and I gave it away that day. What was I? [Laughter] You missed that giveaway because no, it's this pastor and he had no idea what that watch was. When I was taping, I was at a church called Grace Farms that's uh, designed by these architects that I love named Sanna out of Japan. This is where I went, boom. So that [ __ ] at the bottom of the screen, boom boom boom. So the pastor was talking to me. He said something. He's like, man, you know why racism? Because he's a white pastor, so he wouldn't just instantly talk to me at racism. He said, Ray Simpson isn't wrong, it's because, you know, God don't make junk. And I'm thinking like, don't say it like that, man. Don't worry, it's like, no, that's not your explanation for racism. But this man, I'm talking to him about, man, I I want to uh, I want to pull my family back together. I'm assuming this interview is not that helpful to that, but the it is. I don't think it is good. Yeah, I think so because I got to get the people about the life that shouldn't be in the life. That's my wife at the end of the day. So it's like I'm using it because, by the way, I can't do nothing illegal, but this is legal, ain't it? So I'm I'm the priest of my home. So if I need the nanny to get about there and the publicist to get out there, that's what. Yeah, that's your family, huh? That's my, that's my family, right? That's real [ __ ]. That's my family. That's my family, Hulu. That's my family, Hulu. That's my family, Hulu. Real [ __ ]. Y'all saying y'all should have killed me at George Bush. Don't care about black people's up now. Yeah, it's up. Oh, there it is. And this and this my family also. That's that's why. Let me ask you one of the one of the beautifulest things I said, man, do not make your first song be called Ass. I always want to make a song now if I'm going through the airport and people sing my song. It's my theme music when you go through the airport. Everybody screams out, Ass, ass, ass. Gotta make you laugh. So one of the beautiful things I think you do is at the DMX pass, give me my tombstone. Go ahead. After DMX pass, you not only um, you know, did design the shirt that I got on right now, but you also attended the the funeral. Room. That that's a good circle. The head of Balenciaga designed that shirt. Okay, they had it, and that's when we started building a relationship because he did a Halloween costume for. First of all, he worked at Yeezy Season One. So we were all a minute. Wait, the head of Balenciaga worked at Yeezy? Yes. Holy [ __ ]. So we're in the we're in the um, in the apartment where my wife got robbed and friends. Yes. Okay, so this is before then, and inside of this we got Kim Trub, the head of SKIMS. She used to be creative director Yeezy. I brought over the SKIMS. They had these weird black uh, wire bras and stuff like that, and I was like, I'ma give you my creative director because the people that you're in business with, they just trying to use your name. They don't really care about the product, and usually that's how these numbers guys are, and then they start seeing people love the product. They always say we care about the product. Okay, we had in the apartment, you had Jerry Lorenzo, you have Virgil Abloh, yeah, Kim Schrab, you have me, yeah, a few others that I have Lucette, who's a head shoe designer at Yeezy now. We have Mark Miner who got from Nike's. They had easy Adisa Adidas, and you have Demna, the head of Balenciaga. That's what I'm saying. I'm a community builder. I'mma put together the right people at all times. But the people that have in the past been in a position of power gonna try to separate Jay and Dame, separate my mom and my dad, separate me and Virgil. You see the pattern that makes it impossible for Black Wall Street, but Wall Street, you know, forever begins simply because I thought about it the way comments said. I thought of our community growing, but we don't when we not force to make the ch the choice of whether or not we can afford to have a child. We're not forced to say I'm gonna have to, you know, I'm gonna have to kill this [ __ ] because he said this and this that, you know, you never hear about Jewish on Jewish crime. You know, they kill each other in business in a different kind of way, but not actually physically taking a life. So when me and Q went into business on a big three, what I said, I said to him, I said, what we have to do to honor God is we're going to be noble. We're not killing each other on business. Business always be like 30-page contracts and us doing or getting some. I don't negotiate. I don't do a contract that's more than one page. It's very hard to get me to sign something at all. Why I need to sign something? I pay cash. I don't even pay monthly. I just pay, I pay half and half. Somebody like, I want, you know, 300 a year, 200 or whatever. I'm like, give me your account number and then get that 150, and in six months if you did a good job, you get another 150. If you run off after six months, then we just ain't gonna be working again until you apologize because I'm the most uh, forgiving person because I still believe in you even when you being less than you are. I got to realize when people take advantage of me that's something that's them, their lives being taken advantage of something, you know, because I'm a walking vic, I'm a target. I just say yes to anything. I just can't say no. I'm here to only say yes. That's the key to life. You get I'm saying? Just carry in the movie, Yes Man. Yeah, Yes Man. I'm the Yes Man. Anybody, someone you want my, I when me and my dad bonded, my dad used to have to just say, I'm working on this water purification center. I found this new spot. It's going to cost us a million about a land, and he, my dad is pitching to me. My dad ain't had to do one thing for me. He only had to do one thing, nut. He ain't gonna do nothing. That's all my dad ever had to do was nut. He ain't gonna ask me for nothing, nothing else. He made me. I told my dad that day, I said, look, call Andre, who's my cousin, who's uh, he used to work at Ernest Young. I'm always screaming at him. Um, he does accounting right now. I said, call Andre, anything in my account is available to you, and if you spin it all up, I'm just going to make more money. And that's a multi-billion dollar situation. That means every dream that the real Steve Jobs, my dad had, my dad, the real Steve Jobs, but he didn't make Gold Digger, he didn't get the Yeezy, he didn't have that opportunity, but guess what? He made an earner like Hoop Dreams, like when somebody's son make it to the league, I made it to the league. My dad is a Christian counselor. My dad sleeps in homeless shelters and counsels people. My dad has a water purification center in the Dominican Republic. I'm just my

Dad, everything I do that has any kind of nobility in that place is of my dad. Anything I do that’s an entertainment is of my mom. And my mom and education, because my mom is, you know, educator. So what I’m saying is, but I would be the type of person that’s making my dad give me a PDF, you my dad. I know, I know I bought your girlfriend a city. Listen, where did we go? But moving forward, I know, I know what you used some of that money on, but I’m moving forward, right? Because we spoke on the phone; it was a great conversation. This is not things that a man of God should do or say. And one of the things that you said to me was, “You’re out of depth, Jam,” and I felt like you were lately being out of depth, Jam, and changing your name in like the same category. And what’s what’s the question on that? Because I’m so—my question is why, like after all these years, what what are you doing moving forward? You’re going to be independent, like is your next album going to be on Yay? It’s gonna be on your label, or I I’m gonna work—I’m gonna go public.

My thought that I’m that I have right now that I’m gonna say out to put it into fruition so other people could figure out how to make it is: my—I have the biggest brand on the planet, uh, with Yeezy, with Donda. You know, the richest man on the planet is Bernard—I know his last two employees used to work for me, Jesus. So we have the biggest brand; we moved the Gap stock by two billion dollars in like an hour when you put my name uh next to it. And um, so I’m gonna go—I’m gonna take myself public and create a universal basic income and go public for a T—publicly. Do we all know what a T is? No. A trillion. Yeah. But publicly traded—public, yes, right? And make a universal—not even universal basic income, but universal wealth. Because if everybody has a hundred thousand a year, some people can spend it wrong, right? Right. But it changes what we value right now. They pump in so many logos and so many, you know, all the the wrong kind of concepts, but it’s inside of us. We collectively are God. We as a collection—God is in us. So collectively we are God. As we move—like when they move around Mecca, when you see that, you see God inside of that, the way those people are moving. Once we move and we realize that we just all have to be on one accord, like to do what Quincy Jones did in the studio, but do that to our life—that we all in one accord. When I go and say something just about Drake, about John Legend, I’m just tuning the note so that we could play a symphony. Okay, this is the last one [ __ ] it, because I got more for this. Oh no, I got two more. That’s it. Yeah. Mob Deep or MLP? Well, Mob D, but with Mob Deep—my favorite um group. So bringing up Queensbridge right now. Keep going. Yeah, yeah. My Mob Deep is my favorite group. Get out of here. Yeah, that’s beautiful. And then it’s collective; it’s like a tie between Wu-Tang and Tribe, but it’s Mob Deep. Isn’t Quiet Storm—it’s like, you know, man, I just feel very—like, just even the way I present myself now, what I’m doing, the the leather, this side, just feels very Mob Deep. Had this like slickness—tool. I know you know it’s like Belly—to begin—beginning of Belly, when I was here, didn’t I think about Quiet Storm? Price Storm looks like the beginning of Belly, and that’s what I love.

One, I had the most Hype Williams videos out of any artists of all time. And you spend that money. Yeah, I went—me and Hype are good friends. People used to say, “Y’all ain’t gonna get along; y’all both [ __ ] about this.” My best best best best friend is Hype Williams. And um, what I like—this man, he made Ja Rule look like eight feet tall. He knew how to—he knew how to—and by the way, Ja Rule is 10 feet tall inside you. I’m saying we kings at the end of the day. So I’m not saying this because I would never say nothing to ever disrespect Irv Gotti or Ja Rule. I’ve rocked with them; I I love them. Irv is my man. Uh, if I say something that I said—well, I said with John or Big Sean or Trav—whatever—these are the things I honestly just—how I honestly feel as far as like—your Bugatti. I love Irv Gotti, bro. This is like just—I I just can’t even just express the amount of love. So I don’t even want that to even be taken as—we got like—no, up family, too. But so he, you know, he showed us as kings. You know what, man? It’s like, you know, we do these cameras—if you take the camera, we can—some of the things I would do is like put a camera this way that goes this direction, because you’re gonna look like a god. He—you took that camera a little bit lower, and when you sit—my dad was a photographer also, so he explained that to me, and you look a certain kind of way. The press—the way they paint us, you know, will make us feel like that’s all we could be, and that it makes our ceiling like that. But Hype went in and painted us a certain kind of way, and when you saw Belly, they made sure it wasn’t one—after that, I did them two listening sessions, right? Then three listening sessions. This [ __ ] was the craziest [ __ ] ever. Tomorrow in the city of Chicago. Okay, I brought my mama home to show that mountain master out there with Marilyn Manson, like we just—it’s up, right? Right. Was it—was it some listening sessions after that? Did—oh, could Live Nation figure out a listening session? Oh, oh, we got to open the next spring. Hype Williams, we’re going to take all that making people look like who they are [ __ ] up out of here. Let me get that on up out of here better. Well, I gotta say Elon, you know, because we need to—that’s another thing—we’ll be two—like in the past, bro. Great tests, look great, but you know, Elon making my cars now, Elon making my rockets now, inline making me smoke weed with my Joe Rogan with Nor—where Nori over here like, “Wait, that that mind”—with R. I’m saying it’s like—it’s like Black History Month cancel, right? Put this—put this on Black Twitter right now. Yay says, “Cancel Black History Month.” Why? I need Black Future Month. I need Black Possibility Month. I’m tired of seeing us getting hosed down. I’m tired to talk about slavery and how we should only be so lucky to vote for a woman we ain’t seen since the election. I mean, we should—Jesus, can’t go there. Okay. Large female—large professor or Primo? I’m trying to get off gratefulness. Y’all thought I wasn’t gonna get killed by the end of this interview. I’m doing everything I can, bro. No, we can’t—no more Black kids. This is here to remind you of who they want us to be and not who we really are, bro. The over—and you know, when I say “they,” who there’s over laughing—they—let’s college—we talk about—they don’t want you to eat the sandwich. Yeah, yeah. Cause they don’t love you; they will put up with you, but they do not love us in that way, and they are afraid of what is inevitable. You ever seen the kid in Tiananmen Square in front of the tank? Yeah, absolutely. Yo, they—I I got a gun pulled out on me like about three weeks ago. I was out in um in uh Belgium because I had the full mask on, so it was a white mask—no, a full black full mask on, so the cop came, but when he came, he had the gun out at the beginning, and I was like, “Well, I guess this is it.” [Laughter] You said that out loud? No, that’s just what I thought. I was like, “Well, because if he gonna pull [ __ ] [Music] [ __ ] don’t play with me. I want to see my mama. You know, say, “God use—God use people like this,” you know. I could come right here and let y’all know—y’all entrapped—ain’t made it nowhere. Y’all aiming at the wrong people. I love Drake. I love Drake—Vivendi. How you like that one? I love Drake—Disney. How you like that one? Once y’all collaborate and listen—come get me—what y’all going through? Y’all meet to me—y’all come up with some type of scam—y’all gonna come up with some and try to take me? No. God had me for a reason, because if I was at Nike, you think I have been able to wear a red hat? You think I’ve been able to have an opinion? Do you think I’d be able to show you—we can have an opinion—that’s all you needed to see. We are not immune from who we influenced by. Right here, I’m here to like light it up, then I’m gone. But after interview like this, I did my job. But if I hadn’t come to you and said this and kept it to myself, then then God couldn’t have used me, you know what I’m saying? I only fear God, as I said, and I’m not always obedient. You know, it’s a lot going on; it’s a lot going on out here, you know I’m saying? I fall short. They say Moses killed the man and all that, you know, before God called on him. Man, our freedom is—first of all, let’s do everything we can to keep our children—there’s a foundation that has been started—actually bumped into the gentleman whose dad started a foundation in Israel that gives money to women who are thinking about not having a baby. And that’s the exact time that I’m on—that’s what we own—that’s what we own. We own God time now. Somehow I made it this far, man, you know, to be able to give y’all this information. Beautiful. Thank you, by the way. Yeah, praise God, bro. And that’s—I’m telling you—I know it’s also kind of funny when I’m talking about John and Big Sean and you know what it is—it’d be funny—it’s like people—it hurt—it hurt those people who love me—like Charlemagne loves me, but he had to, you know, put biting on the thing. And then think about this—happen when Biden—when uh—remember he said, “Charlemagne, if you didn’t vote for me, then you’re not Black.” Black. Well, yeah, I showed you that—showed you how comfortable he was and how much they talked before that, and you know what must have happened afterwards? They got in the room like, “Y’all [ __ ] are [ __ ] up; ain’t supposed to be showing that—y’all like that. Yeah, that—y’all like that. Did y’all like that?” John Legend, Sean—this is some 1984, bro. This mind control—this population control—rise up, man. Look inside of you, man. So we going with Lars—Pro or Primo? Primo. Remo. All right, this is the last one: MJ or Prince? We could drink for that. Yeah, you know that’s gonna be equal. See? Okay. Would you like a Hibiki? Yeah, I’ll do that. You know, to do that—you help them out. You know, I put my own drinks. All right, that’s cool. Yeah. Michael Jackson—you met Michael Jackson? Yes, I did. So you met Prince, too? Because I think [ __ ] Yeah, he said Prince. So this—so both of them were fighting a fight similar to what I’m fighting, but they were fighting it for the for for there to be more Michael Jacksons—for that to be Yay—for there to be Drake—is what they fought for. So now what I’m fighting for is the ability for there to be Elons of us—for that to be Bernard Arnaults of us. Because until we at the level of our know—we’re going to be clapping for just getting a job for Arnold. Until we get to the level, you know I’m saying, when LeBron wins the championship, he looks at this white lady that owns the team and says, “I told you I was going to win for you.” That’s the part I don’t like—that’s the part. Because if you king, then let’s be kings. That’s why we start up our own league. And I’m here at battling for us—for our freedom to be able to build our communities and not be in a position where we have to kill half of ourselves every year. Okay. Now they hit a third rail—that was the third one. Did we take a shot? I don’t know. Let’s take a shot. Salute.