The Primus: Featuring I am Truth Hurts & The Smart Guy | Moderated By Dj Hamp #TMBR

In here. All right. And let the good brother uh pull up and all of that when he get his self together and Mhm. [clears throat] that cool [ __ ] man. Um we are live. Let me see. I'm just waiting on the IG to pull up. We got a super duper uh dope episode for you guys tonight, right?

So, let me let me make this crystal clear for everybody that's on here. First and foremost, that's DJ Hamp um aka Knuckles, aka New Haven but hey I mean my fault gun waving and Yo, man. Middletown, salute to New Haven, salute to Hartford. I love my [ __ ] Truth. He be wilding but y'all already know that. >> [laughter] >>

So, So, tonight, right? Um come over to my YouTube channel. Um tonight we got a great episode, right? Um and I'm actually racing against the clock because I told somebody I would pull up to their event. So, we going to do this, then we going to do that. Um but we definitely got a dope episode for y'all tonight. And what's so dope um about the episode and this may not be for everybody, right? We are not talking about relationship advice tonight. I don't mind um if it trickles into that, but I think that we are going to talk about something that is not talked about enough, right? We are going to talk about the street politics. We are going to talk about the prison politics. We are going to talk about 40-year-old, 50-year-old, you know, guys with street ties and gangbangers and and and and and aspiring rappers um and such and it's just one of those things where I don't think that it's highlighted enough or talked about is not enough. Um so, we got some super duper dope topics. Uh and yeah, I'm excited, man.

How you feeling today though, brother? I'm feeling good, man. This is a blessing, you know? I think this going to be the conversation they need for sure. You know? Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um

So, are you facilitating it? I I I remember you were saying something to me. Which which route you wanted? I think it would be dope, right? If I, you know, I give my two cents when necessary if I have something impactful to say. Otherwise, we got several questions that I think you and Smart are overqualified to answer, you know what I mean? Okay. And so, I think as opposed to me convoluting it too much, let y'all give y'all takes even if it's a civil discourse. I think it's going to be uberly important to the people. >> [snorts] >>

You're on mute, Truth. You muted yourself by accident. Man, these are some words that are being used. I'm loving it, man. I want everybody to make sure you guys hit the likes. I want make sure I want you to make sure you get everybody over here to hit the notifications. For everybody that's on the Instagram, come over to my YouTube channel right now, Nothing But the Truth podcast, man. Get over here. Like I said, we're going to have a super duper dope podcast tonight. I'm telling you right now. If you're midget-minded, please dip out on this one tonight. Like this is this is for intellectuals. This live tonight is for people who can think past go. Smash the like button. Like the super stickers are at the bottom of the screen. And just respect the platform, man. And if you guys have questions, thank you, Tanika. If you guys have questions, do not be afraid to chime in because rather you are man or woman, I'm not going to tell you that you don't know about the streets. I'm not going to be the one to tell you know, you're allowed to definitely chime in. I would like it more if you know, we do get the perspective from, you know, some women and you know, things of that nature.

For some reason, it's not letting me put my my goals up. I don't know why it's doing that. Yeah, it happens from time to time. Oh, does it? Yeah, it happens. It'll glitch up for the Hey, Truth, we got a little bit of an echo, too. Really? I'm not sure. I just checked my setting. I think I'm good. It could be me. How about now? Mic check. Mic check. Mic check. Mic check. Yep. Yep. Yep. >> Yo, boy. You there? Nah, it's good. Okay, cool. I had just probably probably came when I ended up logging on my and everybody on Instagram, make sure y'all come over to the YouTube channel. We are building so until he get here though. What's on y'all mind tonight? Where is everybody calling from tonight?

If you did not know, right? I want you guys to make sure you go grab my book. It just dropped. It's called true accountability. The link is in the bio. Make sure y'all go get that. This is one of those books where um Yeah, it's one of them. It's one of them. It's going to trigger you. It's going to teach you. I also will be live in Kansas City, Missouri. I'll be live in Chicago. I will be live in Nashville, Tennessee. And to all hat people, thank all for being respectful towards me. If you guys want to curse me out tonight, I'm open for all the smoke, all the drama, and all of that. You know, just put your money where your disrespect is and I'm all for it.

Let me tell them this truth. So, as Truth spoke about, I got the echo again, Truth. As Truth was speaking about, yeah, mic check. Check. I don't know why it came back. Check. Check. Check. It's going now. As Truth was speaking about, we got a limited time window today with with three brothers who are uberly important. We got a lot of things to do. So, I think at the very least the the we going to get a lot of questions, but the questions need to be at least $10 and up just because we have a an acute timeline, right? So, in order to make sure we kind of prioritize, $10 and up will do our best to make sure those questions get read as you listen through the conversation, all right? You know, salute. Thank you for all the support, but just in terms of the tight timeline, we got to build some parameters around it and that's all. But yeah, man, it's a hell of an opportunity. I think y'all going to enjoy this for sure. You got it, right, Truth?

Man, so I really don't know how to fix it. Mic check. >> Um Mic check. You You Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. So, it's going now. I don't be hearing it. Um I don't be hearing it, but >> It could be me, like I said. Um but if it's like that at any time I'm more than welcome uh to adjusting it, fixing it, or whatever. Um and yeah, we just waiting on a brother to land. I believe uh he's on his way. And um yeah, and I'm excited about tomorrow and I as well. Like let me not leave that out. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I'm actually bringing some talent up. I got some dope people. Make sure I hit the likes and everybody go He muted. Yeah, tomorrow Truth muted. There you go. He back. Going on around here. Tomorrow is lit. You already know. 8:00 p.m. Eastern, 7:00 p.m. Central, whatever that is Pacific. Uh Nothing but the Truth Podcast. If y'all missed last week as I did, I hope you guys are disappointed as I am. You heard the flu was kicking my ass last week. But y'all know we go up on Sundays, man. So, make sure you be there, be square. And tell a friend, man. Somebody who usually not on the internet, give them the link. See what they think. You know what I mean? You be surprised how many people get drawn into this [ __ ] though. You know what I mean? So, both hands wash the other, both wash the face. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I'm sending them the link. [ __ ] always talking about Merkiner.

Listen, we are going to talk about the streets tonight. Um and listen, let me say this, right? Like the brother said, make the questions count. Um the brother will be pulling up really soon. We're going to introduce him. We're going to respect this platform. If you're not familiar uh with who he is or what it is that he does, um I'mma let him introduce himself. And uh I'm excited. I'm excited. I want to know the mindset of my followers, male and female. I just really want to know, you know, how you guys feel about this street stuff. I want to know how you like we're going to really get into it because a lot of you may even be in relationships with men for the women on my on my page. A lot of you might be in relationships with dudes that are really really really not what they proclaim to be. And so tonight [clears throat] you are really going to hear it from grown men. Grown men, not men pretending to be men. These are men that have their own homes, own cars, own like people that really provide and protect. Like when they define the man on all these podcasts and things of that nature, we I can speak for us too. We we embody that, right? And um So with that being said, make sure y'all stay tuned. Hit the likes. I believe the brother is coming in Let me I sent the wrong freaking link. The link you sent me worked. Okay. Okay. No no problem. He might be there. Hold on. I just went over to my um Oh, and for everybody, like I said, book just dropped, true accountability. Um super I just saw the guy that looked like you um in Houston. He's just blocking him for the inconsistency. You saw the guy that looked like who? You. Oh, okay, cool. Chicago in the building. Y'all already know I'll be there. Oh, the Chicago show was almost sold. Um and I just want to say thank you to every single one of you dudes. I'm bringing Hamp on one of these panels. Whatever Here's the thing. So let me tell you about Hamp. Hamp is probably one of the most laid-back, non-starstruck people that I've ever met in life. And he actually had access to be on any panel that he chooses. He He got to do is say, "Bro, you put me on." It's like literally that easy. And the And the funny thing is people have to kill to be on the panel or whatever. And he just like I don't know whatever. I just knocked him >> [laughter] >> out. Hey, did y'all see Hamler fight? Did y'all see Hamler's fight? Who seen that? I don't think they seen my fight. Maybe they did. It got like 10,000 views, so they might have seen it. The last fight was uh >> [clears throat] >> The last fight was ridiculous. I'm glad that I actually got to see it um because I play around with Hamler a lot and I thought about actually some jabs at him, but I don't know about it. And so >> [laughter] [snorts] >>

Yo, check your mic. You got Hold on. Let me Let me adjust this. What mic you using? How How does that sound? Check, check. Say something. Yo. Yo. Yo. That's good. What mic is that? That's not my mic. That's just a computer at this point. Okay, you dumb close, so it sound pretty clear. Okay, well dumb close. Hey, [ __ ] it then if it work. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. We good. You good now cuz it was it was skipping a little bit. It's perfect. So, how y'all feel about the streets anyway? He said, "Why your big backs thinking they tens?" You got to come over to the YouTube channel, man. You got to come over to the YouTube You can't see who I is. Cut it out, man. Hey bro, are those hats for sale? Do you sell those? I could get you the link, my man. Yeah. Oh, you Okay. All right. Now, I only support Oh. So >> [laughter] >> So Now, it's man, listen. I I love black This is what I tell you. I love supporting black businesses. I don't like supporting um inward businesses. So, that's my thing. I love black people. I I putting my But I don't like when people be like, "Yo, support my black business as if black makes it better, right?" So, that's one of the things where you got to actually do good business. If you do good business, I'm I'm I'm all for it, man. Uh Yeah. Yeah, we just waiting on the good brother. Um I'm a little I'm a You know what? Say less, man. But he definitely on his way, and I apologize. Maybe maybe I was wrong for being on time, and I got to be mindful of that, right? Cuz that's one of those things where, you know, I'm always on time, and I'm punctual, and you know, sometimes that could be the difference on where on where you get in life. On some real [ __ ] though, like um and so, that's one of the things where my grandmother always taught me um that when you're you're you're late I mean, when you're when you're on time, you're late. Yeah. Um but so, that's that. Yeah, so that's one of the things where, you know, one thing about me, I am um extremely You all got to be on CP time more often. What is CP time? Colored people. >> people. Oh, yeah, so I This is the thing. I can't be on colored people time. It's just not in me. Like, I'm literally a person that's hell-bent um on being on time. Is your mic out? Y'all can't hear me? No, y'all can hear me. Y'all tripping. Y'all That was that's That was earlier. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yo, well, this is the thing. It's not even Okay, go ahead. My fault. You had something >> I was just going I was going to expound on that. You know, colored people time, we make a joke out of everything serious, and then we wonder why most people don't take us seriously. You know? Cuz everything funny to us, right? You know, and then we wonder why we get dis- dis- disregarded, dismissed, right? Joked about. All of us are people that they see on music videos and rap videos, cuz we don't take nothing seriously, including being on time. Talk about it. That's a fact. Well, my fault. What you about to say? No, I'm listening, bro. I'm just I'm just taking everything in. Yeah. Um um pause. I'm I'm just listening. Uh uh just just just Yeah, man, we got to second that, man. We got to get better with time. We got to get better with appreciating people's time as well, because that's a major issue uh that I see a lot, especially with our people. And there's some people where you will really miss out on a dope opportunity because you want to be tardy. There's some people who feel like if you're a minute late, you're done. Especially when we talking about money, when we talking about uh valuable people. And I'm not saying that there are invaluable people, but I'm talking about some people whose time may be just a pinch more valuable than theirs yours, because like I said, at the end of the day, people got kids, people got businesses, people got uh uh uh all types of other things, right? That they could be dedicating their time to or sleeping. One of my favorite things I tell people, my time is blocked. So, I decide to let you into my block, like a lot of time, I I I like you. You know what I'm saying? I I deal with you. Word. 100% man. That that that is Yo, even when I go into a restaurant and all that, truth, often times when the person is black standing from, you know, across from me, like the the um hostess, Yeah. >> you know, they get a little bit casual, right? But I always lead with ma'am and sir. Cuz I think we a little bit too casual with each other, too. You know what I mean? Like we don't know one another. Sir, ma'am, etc., you know? So. I agree. No, I I feel like a lot of customer service or like the art or the skill of it has been lost, right? >> Oh, Um you walk into stores, people don't even speak to you anymore. Or they look at you like, "What you here for?" as if you're not supposed to not be aggressive, so to speak, but you should definitely show interest, cuz I'm about to spend my money with you. This store does not exist without me, you know what I mean? So, yeah, so that's one of the things that I'm I'm big on. As I I can walk into a store and absolutely want something and if the customer service is not to my liking, I would rather walk out either go without it or go spend my money with somebody else. 100% 100% I mean you you see it, right? And it's funny how the the low-end stuff it it is it they they treat you with such, right? But you go shopping at Bloomingdale's or Neiman, right? They walk up to you, got your own special Well, we we in the building, man. Uh what's the deal, brother? How you feeling? I'm good. Trying to get this [ __ ] camera together. Take your time, bro. There's there's there's no rush at all. Take your time, man. This is this is the angle? Pause. Is it good like this? Yeah, yeah. You crazy straight, for sure. That's cool. Yeah. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Holy yeah. No help, just hustle. Okay. >> Yeah, you good. Put that up. Put that up, smart, if you can. Can you put that up? What's that thing? It's got like a light. Yeah, you kind of got like a light that's that's that might be better. It's clear. I I don't know I don't I don't know what it look like on your end, but it's crystal clear on our joint. Yeah. I'm good. Yeah. >> Crazy straight. Crazy straight. Um well, first and foremost, bro, thank you for pulling up to the platform. Um if there's anybody who does not know who you are, can you let people know who you are, where you from, and what it is that you do, brother? They know who I am, man. Oh, okay. >> am. Okay. So you >> Everybody know who I am. >> [laughter] >> No introduction. Well, say less then, man. Well, we can get straight into it like I said. I'm from Holmes. Yeah. Okay. >> [laughter] >> Okay, cool. Cool. Cool, for sure. For sure. I can appreciate that, man. So, like I said, we're going to have a dope episode tonight. I'm excited to have you here, man. I've caught up on some of your content. So, I'd like to say that you're you seem as though you're an intellectual brother, man, by far. So, I'm definitely excited to pick your brain, man. And just to see what your what your views are, man, on a couple of things because I feel like there's this real um I feel like our people are stuck. I feel like our people are trapped to a certain mindset. And so, I feel like a lot of people don't even qualify to even have an opinion or feet like in the race or even in the conversation. And so, I just want to start this off, right? And my first question to you would be, why do you believe that prison is glorified?

Okay. Well, the prison um Well, I have some notes, too. Hold on. Okay. >> uh I got you right now. Hold on. Um well, I think I think prison is glorified because it's a Somebody's My fan Somebody Somebody got the Might be a fan in the background. No. Just in case. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what the [ __ ] going on. Okay, so um I think prison prison Prison is almost like a um self-destructive a self-destructive right of passage, right? Created by created by the white man, our oppressors, to to to to tap into that natural transition from boy to man, right? So, prison for us becomes a right of passage, and we have to be you you know, we have to be careful because it's in our nature to want to have situations or scenarios to help us go from boy to man, right? So, we have to we have to create a new right of passage, a constructive, productive, purposeful right of passage such as leaving a home, getting your own apartment, going to college, achieving financial independence, starting a business, and acquiring skills, trades, and high levels of domestication. So smart, you're saying like prison is similar to us like how the rite of passage was to the Spartans. You remember in 300 where they had to go out, hunt, come back as a man? How did we get that in our head just because the white man created it? No, because we because we're in a system, right? So >> Okay. whether we want to acknowledge it or not, Mhm. we still deal with white supremacy. We still deal with the aftereffects of slavery. Right? There's no fathers There's no fathers in the home. Nobody If If you ask If we did a survey and we we went around the ghetto and asked a bunch of young Somebody's I don't know somebody somebody's somebody's might It is is You hear something now? No, it's good. Good. Uh I think I think it's you I think it's you Truth Truth Truth first. I think it was your mic. Um Okay, what um so there's no What does it mean to become a man? Right? What does it mean to become a man? A lot of fathers are not in the homes. A lot of fathers are are strategically moved out of the homes. So we don't we don't we don't get any type of a educational on what it's like to be a man. I see what you're saying. Mhm. You still hear the noise? You're good? Uh a little bit, but it's not as bad. Yeah, I'm We're going to work through it, though. So let me let me let me I just want to be crystal clear. So you think that a lot of a bulk of the reason why I guess black men are looking at prison as like a rite of passage is because of the lack of fathers in the home? No, I mean that that plays a part of it. That's one of the That's one of the things, but we're searching, you know, we You know, when you go to prison, you have to you have to you got to man up, right? I've been to prison, right? You go to Rikers Island, you go to group homes, you go to they used to call it animal lessons, right? Rikers Island C74. And that became our right of passage. When you when you go to jail and you come out, people think that you're tougher, they think you're stronger. It becomes It becomes a It becomes a a I don't know what that mic is bothering me. I I I'm not even going to lie. I don't know why the why it's doing that. That's like it's blowing me. Personally, let me see. Is that Is that better? Is that Do you hear anything now? All right, that's good. That's good. All right, cool. I've never had this trouble, but go ahead though, brother. I apologize, but No, no, it's all good. It's all good. So, we don't have Okay, so the first the first most important thing is understanding that we deal with white supremacy. We're dealing with white supremacy. We're not with It's It's the same We're dealing with the same issues that the slaves dealt with on the plantation. It's just been elevated and revised, okay? So, when you go to prison, um J- J- Just Just when I respond, just try to mute your mic. Go ahead. Um Yo Yo Yo DJ Chem, ask the question again. Yeah, no, I was asking you what How did that become our right of passage, something that they created? And you were saying how we still dealing with the same white supremacy that we were from the plantation to now. You're saying it's just a little bit more covert now. Yeah, because because it's culture, it becomes conditioned, right? Like, you know, you you It's the same thing with the word [ __ ] right? Like, how did How did the word [ __ ] become a term of endearment? How did we take something that meant evil and try to make it seem like it was something that's positive? Prison Prison We don't have anything to represent a right of passage. There's no specific thing that young black men, little black boys can point to to say if I do this, I'm a man. Okay. >> So, we were in search we were in search of things to prove our masculinity, to prove our toughness, and prison became one of those things. Okay. Okay, understood. And do you draw a correlation from what you're saying from slavery from the 13th Amendment, right? Cuz you know the 13th Amendment reads, you are free unless you are captive, and then I can put you back in chains. You think that's purposely done? No, I mean what slavery never was abolished. Mhm. Right? >> Yeah. So, so I want to go back to that thing with with with the prison. I don't want to jump, right? So, prison prison is glorified because it's a it's our perverted, self-destructive version of a rite of passage. This is what This is what you need to do to become a man. And every rite of passage that we go through a lot of those rites of passages are negative, uh you know, illegal by nature, right? So, you got to go you got to you got to go sell drugs, you got to go bust your gun, you got to kill somebody, you got to shoot somebody, you got to cut somebody, you got to rob somebody, right? All these things because we didn't have a clear um definitive image of what black masculinity was. What it What does What does it mean to be a black man? What does it mean to be a man? We wasn't taught. We were robbed of our our masculinity. We were robbed of our authority in media, in the homes, in the government, in the system. So, we didn't have any We didn't have anybody to look to to say, "Okay, this is what being a man is like." Other than the people that we saw outside, which were criminals, drug dealers, hustlers, etc., etc. Okay. Okay, that makes sense.

Truth. Yes, sir. >> ahead. If you don't mind, I would like to hear your answer on that as well. Why is prison glorified? Yes, sir. Oh, man. Um, so this is what you have to understand, right? And I'm not even going to go back to, you know, slavery or any of that, but we can just deal in the current time. Okay. For some reason, we like to celebrate things that don't take a lot of effort, right? Like you get a lot of people who say things like, um, "I'm standing on business." But in actuality, actuality, you're standing on brokenness, right? So, you have to understand, if if, you know, violence is celebrated in the hood. Like the brother said, masculine, the the false masculinity, anyway, the anger, the aggression, "I could beat you up. I could stomp you out. I can end your life." These are things that are celebrated in the hood, right? So, a lot of us felt like going to prison was like going to college. And like Lil Durk said, I believe, catching a body was like getting a Grammy in the hood. Like this These are things that we applauded, right? The bad things. You know, we're actually picked on in the hood for being smarter, or being educated, or being somebody that's willing to talk through a problem. Why is prison educated? Because you got more of our people going to prison than going to Harvard, or ending up famous, or ending up rich. And so, it's one of those things where I think our people are normalizing things that just aren't normal. It's easy to go to prison, right? And I want to just switch gears, cuz like I I I like the glorified topic. Yeah. that I really wanted to talk to Smart Guy, cuz he's a guy that's that has been incarcerated like me. Mhm. I've been seeing these posts. And and and they really grind my gears, because I was I was a kid, 18, charged for a double homicide. You know what I'm saying? So, um, it's one of those things where I feel like everybody talks this prison stuff. We're about to get into prison politics. Everybody talks this old prison [ __ ] this this PC, this Like everybody's stumping the yard like they were in the mix when they were in these prisons. And they're lying, and they're capping. One thing that we know for the most part, right? I've never been to Rikers Island, but one thing that we know for the most part, you kind of stay out of sight, you could kind of breeze through, right? But then for the most part though, there are there's a lot of jail politics in prison that people don't talk about, right? And one of the things that's respected in prison is money, and the other thing is violence. And so we if you've been there, um you know that if you have enough money and this buys influence and protect and if jokers know that you'll bust their head they're also extremely selective with the way that they carry you, rather you're a rat, whatever it is that they want to classify you as. So I think that I just wanted to kind of switch gears because we we I feel like we also you got a lot of dudes acting as if they're glorifying prison, but a lot of dudes don't talk about how they only glory and there we go, I apologize brothers. They only glorify prison because prison is the best life for a lot of these men. Prison is the first time you have five sneakers lined up under your bed. Prison is the first time you're actually eating three meals a day. Prison is actually saving a lot of these dudes versus dudes like me, where prison held me hostage. I was winning out here out in the real world. I was out here having my way in the real world. So I think that people glorify it just like they glorify being street [ __ ] because it's easy to do. It's hard to get out here and actually figure it out and excel past the streets. I apologize for being long-winded too. Go ahead.

No, no, you good. You good. I think I think so so I think it's it's a it's a third thing it's a third thing too that's that's important as well, which is um you you know, you got money, you have violence, but you also have charisma. People respect charisma in prison as well, right? Um I think I don't want to go like all these things all these things are connected, right? Because we're dealing with we're dealing with dealing with white supremacy. Okay? Okay. >> So, we're dealing with white supremacy. And because we're dealing with white supremacy, there's different weapons and different strategies that that white people that the white man uses to get rid of us, right? So, when we when we talk about we talk about prison, right? We weren't allowed sympathy, empathy. There was no global sympathy for what for for we did, right? Um what we went through. We still we're still a Yo yo yo yo yo Mike, I don't know what yo I don't know yo I don't know if I I I I >> That ain't me. I'm muted. It can't it ain't it ain't me. I'm muted. Super muted. Yeah. All right, [ __ ] it. We All right, we're going to have to just thug it out. Everybody watching this, I'm I'm the the the the the feedback is [ __ ] with me, but I'm I'mma work through it. Listen. So, we're we're not allowed sympathy, empathy. We don't we never had global sympathy. We're still affected by slavery and we still deal with white supremacy, right? So, the so-called Jews still talk about the I still talk about the Holocaust, right? Hitler Hitler been dead gone, right? But we're still dealing with we're still dealing with we're still dealing with a thousand we're still dealing with we're still dealing with we're still dealing with a thousand Hitlers. And and and and as soon as you talk about as soon as you talk about the white man, something wrong with you. We are still affected by slavery, okay? So, when you go to prison, it's just a a a a part of white supremacy. So, you could be you on the street, you still Listen. White supremacy, you deal with it in prison, you deal with it on the street, etc. etc. Okay? Now, um a lot of people like to sensationalize their time in prison. Okay? Prison is prison is prison. Prison is I mean, you can you can find yourself into some trouble. You can avoid trouble. You can you you can get murdered or you can just, you know, do your time and get the [ __ ] up out of it. Yeah. White white supremacy um hm So even in damn. So in 2026, do you think that we are still feeling the effects of slavery even in in today's present time? Check it out. Yeah, this is why this is why so important this is why so important to keep your foot and your finger pointing at the white man. See, the Jew the Jews never let nobody forget what Hitler did to them even when it was over, right? When you look at the current Trump administration, when you look at the executive orders that are being passed, these things are affecting only black people. They're not when when when you think about how the Ku Klux Klan used to ride around on horses in black neighborhoods, right? Police do it now. You don't see police riding around in white neighborhoods, Chinese neighborhoods, Indian neighborhoods just hopping out killing people, shooting people. We deal with and it's it's not just a aggressive racism, it's the dependency on the government. So what nobody wants to talk about you you you you got to mute your mic, bro. Just mute your mic. Cuz it feel like it feel like I got to yell over over over speaker, son. But but you you might got to reboot your joint cuz we don't never had this issue. So I don't know what what's going cuz that nobody's saying they having any issues but you's. Maybe you should come out and come pause. Come out and come back in. Pause. Uh Yeah. Um cuz I want to bring him up cuz I actually want to talk about that. Um, because I have strong views on still blaming white people in 2026. Um, and so hopefully you can get back uh that to that view that we are we really still blaming the blame on the white man in 2026. Yeah, that's a good and so there's a question truth that we always come across on the panels is they would call this a victim mentality. So, I want to get y'all both y'all thoughts on that. They would call what Smart is saying a victim mentality as it pertains to 2026. So, I want to get y'all thoughts on on what you know, what his thoughts are, what your thoughts are on that. Um >> [snorts] >> yeah, cuz you was muted and I was muted truth and it was sounding nobody could hear anything. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's never issue. Hopefully he can click that link um and and and and get back in here. Because I would really really really really like to talk about that. Um, I'm sending you the link too. It's only 23 minutes away from me. Um >> Okay. or whatever. Yeah, but I really cuz we out soon as we um Yeah, for sure. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I'm just trying to send this joint to you. Yeah, I I wish he could come anyway. So, I don't know where the brother went at. Um, but as far as you Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Yeah, cuz I don't think that Yeah, as far as like giving to say no, I got to wait. I got to wait because I just want him to be here. Yeah. >> I don't even want it to Yeah, yeah, come on yeah, come back. Come back. Yeah, 100% that's what I'm saying. I don't even want to do too much talking now while he not here, you know what I mean? We want the thoughts >> be heard. Yeah, so we can get it. Ask me another question, brother. That way we can keep this show rolling and and then we'll pick up where we left off. Where we >> 100%. There's a question I did want to ask y'all, you know, even though he didn't let his origin story be known. What make y'all two qualified to talk about the street [ __ ] gangster [ __ ] Who's unqualified to do so? I'm cracking up. Wow. So this is what I told you, right? >> [laughter] >> So you know what the the gag is this bro, and I'm just going to be as realistic as I can possibly be. Like always. >> I um I don't I don't talk about the street stuff Mhm. only because if I was to speak about it, um for one I don't glorify, for one I was able to evolve um past it, right? Yeah. But the reason why I don't talk about the street [ __ ] is because realistically the streets is a [ __ ] joke. The streets is the only world that is harder to to to pass than anything else in the world, right? So I am big on not speaking about the street stuff, but what I I will say is this, right? Uh gangster, cuz that's the word that you used, right? Remember earlier when I was talking about how uh people love to be street guys because it's easy to be broke, it's easy to be dumb, it's easy to be violent, it's easy to be aggressive, it's easy to run away from your problems, it's easy to um um hold on, let's see if the bro Can you hear us clear, bro? I can hear you. I can hear you. You you hear it back? Yeah. Huh? Is there any uh interference on the mic? No, it's good. Let's [ __ ] go. Let's damn. I was getting ready to [ __ ] cook, too. Uh uh damn. Um we were talking about white supremacy though. Let's get Let's definitely get So I was saying >> no no No but I remember hold on, let me let me let me say this last thing, right? So the effects So you was asking me are we still affected, right? Like you do we still deal with these things, right? So we deal with a dependency. Like we're dependent on the government. So that's one of the biggest things that one of the biggest things that we have to deal with in in terms of in terms of slavery. Even E, can you hear me clear? Yeah, Smart. Are you talking through your car audio? Is talking directly through the phone, right? No, make the audio go only through the phone. >> to talk through your phone, big homie. Not through the car. Turn off the car Bluetooth and go directly from the phone mic and speaker. All right, hold on. Yeah. Yep, hit the gear shift and you should be able to select the phone audio or something like that. >> [snorts] >> Yeah, it's some I'm like cuz that [ __ ] that [ __ ] sounded crazy. Yeah, he's fighting with his Bluetooth. we get off of that and damn, I'm like [ __ ] it. That's cool. Yeah, as soon as he get off >> [laughter] >> your your folks funny as [ __ ] in the comments. What they say? They just saying turn off the Bluetooth. Yep. We'll be able to cleaning up and all that. Take out these spots, so you good. >> Yeah, for sure, for sure. For sure, for sure. Cuz I definitely want to I want to get into this conversation. For sure. Um >> Yeah. Yeah, we going to we going to we For sure, for sure. This [ __ ] is [ __ ] cool, though. Like Yeah, it's definitely through his car, so Yeah, Smart, just you hit just hit turn the Bluetooth off all together. That will that should fix it. Yeah, I'm trying to Yeah, I'm trying to Yeah. Grab the top right-hand corner, slide down. You should be able to hit the Bluetooth off. No, I did. Okay. Okay. But it did >> [snorts] >> CarPlay CarPlay should be like Yeah, the CarPlay should >> [snorts] >> Oh, but while we waiting on him, so I'll keep going. So, um yeah, so you asked me about the street stuff and and who qualifies. Well, first and foremost, right? When we hear the word gangster, right? Cuz that a lot of people get away from what that is and what that means, right? Um a lot of people think because they are stuck in poverty that that means that they're Can you hear me? Yes. A lot of people have the false belief because they're stuck in poverty that they're gangster. Um and that's not what a gangster is. A lot of people think because they're aggressive or that they have a pistol or a take a life. Um and that is not what a gangster is. So, when you were asking me about the qualifications of what a gangster is, a gangster got money. Respectfully, a gangster family is put up. Respectfully, a gangster is is eating good. A gangster is not even somebody real, you know, for the most part that you're even that's even accessible if if that would make sense, right? And so, I think that over the years, uh our people actually have moved the goalpost with uh with what exactly being a gangster is so that everybody could feel as though, you know, they were involved in what's actually going on. Um but where I'm from, if you ain't got no money, we not trying to hear nothing you talking about. Straight like that. And that violence [ __ ] only is applicable if I'm accessible. And one thing about money, money makes you not accessible. You get enough money, you can put yourself up in the hills. You get enough money, you are in communities where you could even come with the nonsense. But nine times out of 10 that the those police come quick in the white neighborhoods, respectfully. Uh and so with that being said, there will be a lot of people who will really get upset with this, but all of that broken gangster don't go together. All that broken not being properly taken care of, haircuts, dress game top Oh my I think we back Is we back? >> [clears throat] >> I think we're back. You say something smart? Mhm, it's it's chopping a little bit. Talk a little bit more. Okay, there we go. There we go. Can you hear us? Yeah, I can hear y'all. Okay, yeah, we good. We good to go. Yes, Small, you got the floor. You remember what you were saying? Oh, no, okay, so okay, so let me take it back from the top, right? We deal with we're dealing with white supremacy, right? So we talked about um let me just just do a quick little quick little uh uh uh recap. We don't have no The black man was The black man was moved from his position of authority. So we didn't have anybody to set out clear definitive examples of what what what what it is a man what it takes to be a man, right? And a lot of us didn't see um our fathers in the home. We didn't have the fathers in the home, right? And when we talk about still being affected by slavery, one of the biggest uh effects that we deal with um is dependency, right? We're still dependent on our oppressors' government. We're still dependent on their hospitals, their their their banking systems, their legal their their legal systems, right? Um and their their interpretation their interpretation of um, of of religion. Right? Their holidays, like we don't we don't control anything. We don't produce anything in America. We don't own farms. We don't have our own military. We don't have our own import export businesses. We don't have our own planes. Right? We don't have [ __ ] And that's directly because of slavery. Now, we built we built over thousands of cities in America. People they but they like to highlight Black Wall Street. But there were thousands and thousands of cities um, and we had our own banks. We had our own railroad systems. We had our own um, own boats. And we were trying to get into, you know, planes and stuff like that, right? Um, but all those cities were blown up and destroyed by the government. Okay? So, with you know, and because we don't have any leaders or a lot of our leaders are cowards or or traitors or don't have race loyalty, they're not loyal to our race, they don't they they accept the handicap and they don't talk about slavery. They don't they they don't blame the white man for not giving us reparations. They don't blame the white man for for the legal system. They don't blame the white man for nothing. If you mention the white man, you're talking about some boogeyman and something wrong with you. But the Jews were able to constantly remind their next generation about Hitler, about the Holocaust, so they so they say never again. Never again. Right? So, if you don't if you don't study or remember the past, you're doomed to repeat it. So, this is why we're still we're still repeating some of the disadvantages um, that happened back then now. Okay. Truth.

You're on mute. Yeah. No, no, you you Truth, cuz you um, remember you had a a response to that, but then Smart had had dropped off to fix his uh, microphone. But you on mute though. Okay, so everything good? We we good? We crystal clear?

Um so for me and I and I can speak about me. I can't speak for every black man. I I wouldn't try. Uh I'm from Philadelphia, West Philadelphia to be exact. Um and I'mma be honest, anything that I've ever went through um these were choices. These were choices that I made, right? Like even down to selling drugs, right? I may have not liked my upbringing. I may have not liked the fact that we were going without things. But it was a conscious decision that I made cuz I'm not going to lie. I did have drug dealers on my corner, right? But I did have uncles who were also handymen. I also had uncles who got up and worked for the bus company, which is SEPTA, right? Like I seen different, but I made a conscious decision to go to the path that was more um enticing, so to speak. And like I said, I I can speak for me as far as being suppressed by the white man or having effects of slavery. I can't say that I've experienced that only because I um like I said, the life of crime that I chose I did it. Now, do I think that a lot of the laws are just and do I think that they're in our favor? Absolutely not, but these were decisions that I actually made.

And then my thing is I feel like we have a lot of choices to make cuz I didn't grow up with a father neither. Um I I didn't. My father was non-existent and and I'm not going to lie, when I did go to prison what I was able to do was learn the mannerisms of I was able to take mannerisms from every man that I kind of looked at and kind of idolized and said, you know what? This is how a man is supposed to be, right? A man is supposed to be uh uh loyal. A man is supposed to be brave. A man is supposed to be, which is most important, an individual thinker, right? Um and mean, mean, like I said, to get off topic, but I don't believe that our people and I don't want to say our, that's too many people. I think a lot of people use slavery as a crutch. I think that a lot of people are looking for a way to have something to complain about instead of putting the work in. I think that >> That's true. True. True. True. True.

What you What I want you to understand, right? What I want you to understand, right, is you have to before you you you you you you're you're But I don't know you, right? But just hearing how you're you're you're saying or you're reacting to it, you may not be aware of certain things, right? So, when we go to school, a child's learning curve is the shortest between the ages of 0 to 7. When you go to school, when you went to school, who was in charge of that school? Who runs the board of education? Okay? So, what what the white man was able to do, one of the greatest tricks the white man did was convince is you know that he he doesn't exist, right? He made He made He made He made racism the boogeyman. He made He made He made racism He made racism invisible. He made it to where it's like it don't even exist. Look, you Look look, you would like to believe that you chose you chose to do that. But when you But when you was in third grade, what was the curriculum? You don't You mentioned the justice system. You don't pass laws. A black man doesn't A black man doesn't hire. A black man doesn't fire. We don't pass laws. We don't have no power, no authority, no nothing. And nobody teaches us Nobody teaches us what it means to be black. Nobody teaches us what it means to deal with racism. When you The last time you bought groceries, did you Did you buy it from Did you get it from your farm? Did you grow your food? When you get sick, where do you go? Right? So, we talk about dependency. And then when you talking about there's a the So, there's a reason why and and and and I understand your response, but I want to give you more information. It's something called cognitive behavioral therapy. Thoughts, feelings, behaviors. And then there's also uh uh uh uh a psychological um effect that chemicals have on the mind when it's digested through the food. So, what the white man was able to do was he put race-specific biochemical um you know, chemicals and ingredients in the food that that leads to dementia, diabetes, autism, homosexuality, hypoaggression. He put He put synthetic versions of crystal meth, crack, cocaine, um steroids in the marijuana. Okay? He puts the same thing in alco- alcohol that makes that made a lot of brothers um uh uh uh uh fer- uh uh what's what's that word? Sterile. So, they couldn't have babies, right? So, we don't even we don't even understand what racism is and what white supremacy is. So, now we've been so desensitized and and I'mma pass to Mike, but I want to I want to just touch on cuz it's a lot. It's not like you could just It's not It's not as simple as it may seem like get up and do it yourself. We suffer from generational self-hate. It's an intense, persistent, destructive dislike of oneself, disregarding care, neglecting personal well-being, refusing self-compassion or empathy. We are conditioned We are conditioned to hate ourselves. We are conditioned to say, "Oh, well, it's just your fault. Nobody's trying to kill you. You have all the opportunity in the world." In reality, you don't. You're not going to have all the opportunity in the world without resistance because you're black. Um so, Go ahead.

So, I hear that, right? And so, let me let me let me >> Philly So, Philly So, you mentioned being in Philly, right? Yes, sir. >> Do you know Do you know that they target the ghetto? They target predominantly black communities with aggression, police brutality, with drugs, with lack of employment. Why is Philly so violent? It's not in our nature It's not in our nature to kill each other. It's not in our nature you know, how much How much opportunity How much opportunity is really in the ghetto? How much How much job opportunity? How many brothers are prepared mentally to even you know, enter the the the job the the job force. But go ahead.

Okay, so let let let's get into it. I like this. I like this. Um and and and like you said, I'll I'll let you land your plane. Let me let me get a full thought off if you don't mind, right? >> you. Um let me just say this, right? So once again, I know that I'm different. I don't expect for people to to to be as accomplished as me, um as financially stable as me, um to be like I talked about being an individual thinker, right? Me as a black man in America being from West Philadelphia, what I can tell you is that are the opportunities plentiful? No, but they are there. Another thing that I can say is like we talked about this earlier. I feel like a lot of our people we want to take the easy route. Plumbing is a booming industry, right? Before they oversaturated CDLs, booming industry. HVAC, the opportunities are absolutely there, but people are choosing to be stuck and be prisoners of comfortability. Now, what I will I say So me I I like The first man's ever robbed me was a black man. The first man's ever stole from me >> I'll give you a second. Let me shift gears. Let me shift gears cuz because I got you. I got you cuz it seems like It seems like It seems like It seems like we going on a on a debate. I thought we were, you know, Well, it's a it's a it's a conversation and it goes both ways, though. No, shift gears. Now, I got you. Go ahead. For the small For the small, I think because we got 400 people in the building, we just got to let him finish that thought because it is a bill. Yeah, no, for sure. But but but but but but I don't want to feel like if I feel like Listen, a debate is a debate is fine, right? It was I'm thinking you know, first of all, I thought I thought this was an interview. So, it it's not an So, anyway, so we appreciate the brother for coming up. I I appreciate his energy. Uh I love his energy. Um I got to run my movie the way I run my movie. Um and I'm just trying to have an intellectual uh conversation. Um and I apologize for everybody's time. Um Yeah, I Yeah, I said like I apologize for everybody. Let me finish the Could you ask the rest of the questions? Let's Let's give the people uh what they came for, please. Okay. Yeah, well, finish Finish that thought.

So, you were simply saying that you a first the first words that happened to you were by a black man. >> And and I and I know for a fact that it's because of proximity, right? I know for a fact it's because I was around nothing but, you know, my people, right? So, now what we'll do, right, is we'll go a little bit further into And thank you so much, brother, for coming up. It's all love. I wish you the best with everything you got going on. Let me say that. Let me say that crystal clear, but I never wanted to be an argument or a debate. Now, that is no different, right, if I would have woke Pardon me, if I was in proximity with all white people, right? I'm pretty sure I would have been I would have fought a white man, right? I'm pretty sure things would have happened because all I did was grow up around white men, right? Let me be crystal clear about this. Um I will not give our people a safe space to use slavery. I will not give people our people a safe space to still use slavery in 2026, right, where we have things like social media. Do you know how many black millionaires social media has created? Do you know how many black uh millionaires there are in the world? Do you know how many black entrepreneurs there are in the world? There are a whole bunch of them. You are a black entrepreneur. I am a black entrepreneur. So, for me to say that slavery or the white supremacy is something that's holding me back, I could it could not be further away from the truth for me and the people that I've seen. Like I said, and I take full accountability. You have to understand, I'm a 40-year-old man. Anything that I've done, it was a conscious decision by me. It was a conscious decision by me to do it. I didn't sell drugs uh because of white supremacy. I sold drugs cuz I said, "You know what? I want some money and I want some easy money, and I don't want any accountability. I don't want no schedule. I don't want any structure." So, of course there would have been easy ways to get it, but I wanted it fast and I wanted it in a hurry, for sure.

Okay. Truth, would you say that you are special? You're an outlier? Yes, I I would like to Let me say I would like to believe that I'm special. Yes, I would like to believe that. Okay. Yeah, so I think that you have a unique set of traits, especially like charisma as an example, right? You could talk your way into just about anything, right? And so, if people don't have these same blessings bestowed upon them, what are they more likely to get caught up in though? See, you could get yourself out of a jam, are most men in those dire situations built like you? And if so, what do they get subject to?

So, this is what I'll say, right? Um I learned very early in life what my strengths were and what my flaws were, right? And when I tell you I learned very early in life what my strengths were and my flaws were, I actually um it was literally one of those things where even though my gift of gab was a gift, I was it's duality there, right? Cuz I can talk myself out of a gang of [ __ ] but I've also talked myself in to a gang of [ __ ] as well, right? And so I think that people, instead of running away from what their strengths are or for what their weaknesses are, I think that people really really need to look in the mirror and tell themselves, "This is what I I'm good at. This is who I am. This is the capacity." A lot of people are afraid of growth. Me, I was not afraid of going outside, right? And really really experimenting. I think that an experimental phase is is is something that needs to be implemented, for sure.

Okay. Okay. Okay, 100%. Yeah, cuz I just thinking about What do you think about things are being systematically and structurally done to black people to this day? Do you just disagree with that?

So this this is what I'll tell you, brother. I'm not that I'm not in that world, right? I'm I'm not in the world of politics. I am not in the So I'm I'm once again, I'm an entrepreneur, bro. It Do what I say Do I think that the white man is in charge of taxes and and and all LLCs and all of that? Absolutely. Um do I think that they got their hand in our pocket? Absolutely. What I will say is that I don't believe that they're into the systematic corruption that people are claiming, like it's just systematically set up for us to fail. I don't I don't believe Not in today's society. I don't believe that.

Okay. Okay. So you think largely we making decisions and choices to put ourself in negative situations. Why do we act as if there's not broke-ass poverty-stricken white people? Why do we act like it's not broke-ass poverty-stricken Mexican Mexican people? Why are we acting like all uh all uh all white people are rich? Why are we acting like all white people are great? Why are we acting like all white people drive Benzes? They don't. Why are we acting like we are the only race that is systematically just a target on us to just shoot us down and hurt us and kill us? If that's not That's not realistic. There are all walks of life. All walks of life life is really what you make it to a certain extent. We are making it seem as though the white man just has our his hand on our heads. If that's the case, if it was such a systematic thing or if these people were just out to destruct us, why not just kill us before we ever born? Why not just kill us before we ever born? If they're in control of the hospitals, right? They're in control of the medicines. You know, when you have a baby to give you the K shot and all of that, why shouldn't they just knock us cuz who could do something? If they're in control and which they are to a certain extent, right? But if these people hate our existence in America, why let us be here? Why let us have any jobs? [clears throat] Why let us have anything of power? Why are there white homeless people, right? We talk You talked about crystal meth. I don't know any black people that smoke crystal meth. But go ahead though, my fault, brother. >> [laughter] >> No, Kensington look crazy though, that's for sure. That's heroin. That's heroin. Is it Is it heroin only? That's heroin, brother. I I'm That's North Philadelphia. That's heroin, good brother. >> Okay. Okay, so you like So Okay. So, let me ask you just a straight question, right? Cuz it's kind of spin off of what was said. Do you think racism exist still?

Absolutely. Absolutely. And this is the thing, right? People have to act like people have to not forget that people fear things that they don't understand, right? We naturally gravitate to people that look like us. Rather you're white and I'm white or you're black and I'm black, right? Because when I see you, I see a little bit of me in you, right? And then you have to understand the thing about racism, not only do people tend to be afraid of things that they don't understand, racism is is also a programming thing, right? Because you got lily-white people that love and worship everything that black people do. This is what I'll tell you what what tricks me and I don't even like to get onto the racism stuff. This is what I like to tell you, right? This This is crazy. This is going to blow y'all minds, right? Talk your [ __ ] People always talk about this so-called hatred for the white man and blah blah blah and what they did and ba boop ba boop and what and this that and the third, right? Mhm. I've never heard a white man say, "We bringing him to the cookout." I've never heard a white man say, "We bringing him to the clan meeting." Our people are the most acceptance of white people and their antics and dancing like us and singing Do you know that that you can make a hit rap record right now while loading the gun, while playing a with a violin with your toes, and your own people, man, that [ __ ] ain't even like that. A white boy could come sing off tune, not even do it good, but have a slicked-back and imitate the culture, he'll go platinum, he's loved in the hood, he's on every couch in the hood. Our people are the blame for the way that we're living and the way that we treat each other, unfortunately. Yeah, I I hate that [ __ ] That [ __ ] scuffs my Tims more than anything, right? You remember You know what's a great depiction of it? White Men Can't Jump. Remember? He made a two-handed dunk, and everybody went wild while [ __ ] was windmilling some more [ __ ] Ain't that some [ __ ] >> Right? We Yeah, we That's that That's that um Stockholm syndrome, right? You want the praise of the people who had you downtrodden at the very least at one point, you know?

>> But it it it it's literally just one of those things where it is a crab in a bucket mentality. Um even when we talk about drug dealing, right? Like so we can say that the white man put the drugs in the neighborhood, which I'm not I don't I don't I don't I'm not in disbelief with that, right? Mhm. Who made other black men start robbing robbing other black men? Like the the white man come and say, "Hey, you know, your brother over there getting too much money. Go rob him." [ __ ] no. Like people forget that we have a brain, and it's an individual brain. Nobody's in your head, right? Who said, "Go tie his mom, his dad up and and kill him for that drug money." Your people, our people. No one No one walks you to a liquor store, respectfully, cuz I don't drink nor smoke. No one walks you to a liquor store, right? And says, "Yo, you better drink this this this" I've never seen a white man walk a black man to the liquor store and say, "Drink this white man poison." Have you seen that? No. These are conscious decisions that people are making. And I am a person, right? Statistically, I am supposed to be dead or in jail, ham. I grew up to a crack-addicted mother, ham. I watched my mom get front shot in front of me when I was six. I watched drugs. I've been abandoned. I've been shot. I've been stabbed. I have over 18 years inside of the prison system. If anybody's supposed to fail, ham, it's supposed to be me. But once I woke up and I realized, bro, I'm doing this [ __ ] to me. No one is doing this [ __ ] to me, bro. And everything that I've ever done in life, except for getting shot multiple I did that to me, bro. I inflicted that pain on me, bro. Do you know how many of us can get ahead, right? Because a gang of us can get ahead. But the the gag is we have so much influence as black people that if if if you told a black man, "Hey, look, I do not I do not want you to wear any designer. I do not want you to have any European cars. I do not want you to to get your hair cut for a year." It's the brokest people that have the least amount of discipline. You're living in a poverty-stricken neighborhood where crack sales is going and this that and the third and be like, "I ain't got ish, but my babies got" the ghetto fabulous [ __ ] that the N-word stuff that we like to talk about. You're ghetto fabulous and you're stuck in poverty because you want to be. Let's talk about the advantages of welfare, right? Cuz you got all of these people that are on Section 8 with a dollar rent and you can't get ahead? The white people be mad. That's why the Africans don't even respect the American African. The Jamaicans don't respect the American African. Why? They look at us like less of men because they feel like we lazy as [ __ ] and I agree. They Who They said that? [ __ ] right. The Africans look at us like we lazy, bro. Well, you That's the thing, right? They They They say that. They say that from Jamaica and all that. Have you seen their countries? You know what? >> [ __ ] flowing down the street, impoverished as hell, broke as [ __ ] So, it's often, you know, it's a lot of pot kettle type [ __ ] Especially, you know, cuz I've been I've been, you know, a few different places. So, often times they come through talking that [ __ ] but when you look at their downtrodden countries, it ain't it ain't nothing to write home about. This is what I said. >> But I catch your drift though. Do you feel like their opportunities over there are like over here? No, I don't think that they have the same opportunities. However, Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I said However, what they've been handed, they've done [ __ ] and piss with it. Is all I say, right? You know, so just you know, but I But But never Nevertheless, the message isn't lost, right? That we have opportunity that we need to build upon, right? I think that's the overarching point that you was making. So, I accept that. You know?

>> We got to go on Yeah, we got to go. >> [laughter] >> longer than I thought it was and maybe we can revisit this. Yeah. And And like I said, one thing about me, I'm not a corny dude. I'm not like a backstabbing dude. So, let me make this crystal clear. Um a lot of people think they're like, you know, about removing bro. Thank you for coming up. If he's watching, he's somewhere here watching. I appreciate your time, brother. Um we just got a certain way that we run our movie. Um and And we run our platforms with big respect and if we can't have a open conversation, then it's just, you know, it just can't be. I got to respect this panel and his followers. I got to respect my panel and of followers. We will be here Sunday. Ham, I'm on my way, bro. Or we out. >> Let's get it, man. Salute, man. Y'all be safe. We'll see y'all tomorrow.