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Now yesterday we uh gave you a primer on Eugene Carol, and this is a terrible story, and this drives President Trump's thinking on a lot of other matters. So on June 21st, coming up 2019, seven years ago, Miss Carol accused Donald Trump of rape and sexual assault. Okay. She said that Mr. Trump committed these crimes at a Bergdorf Goodman department store in either late 1995 or early 1996. Eugene Carol did not know, could not recall when she was raped. That might be a signal flag. Didn't report it to the police. Didn't report it to any burged official. Didn't do anything. Sat on it for what? More than 20 years.
Then presto, now this was the case where George Stephanopoulos from ABC called Trump a racist, and then ABC had to pony up $15 million for defamation to Mr. Trump's library, I believe, that he's using the money for. Now, in depositions, this is a civil case, not a criminal case. Again, Miss Carol did not report this to any authority. There were depositions. And Miss Carol said in a deposition, which is sworn document, nobody else is involved with this but me. Nobody's funding it. Nobody pushed me to do it. I'm just outraged, and I thought I had to do something. That's under oath.
Now, it turns out that a group called American Future Republic, run by a guy named um Reed Hoffman, okay, gave Miss Carol's lawyers $7 million to use in his lawsuit. Uh, he admits it. He admits it, and now the Justice Department is investigating Eugene Carol. They have to. They have to on possible charges of conspiracy, perjury, on and on and on and on. So Hoffman admits that he gave the money, and then the lawyer for Carol said, uh, her recollection is refreshed. Oh, I see. She doesn't remember when she was allegedly raped. She didn't report it to anybody. She told the court under oath, nobody helped her or her lawyers gave her any money at all. But now suddenly her recollection is refreshed. Okay.
Now, I am all for this investigation. The progressive left hates this. Oh, it's Trump going after his. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Now, Eugene Carol is entitled to due process. That means the FBI investigates her. It goes to a grand jury. If the grand jury finds that Miss Carol likely committed a crime, she'll be indicted. I hope she is. This is outrageous. And I'll remind you, here's what Donald Trump said about the case. Go.
"I know nothing about this nut job. She's accusing me of rape. Of raping her. The worst thing you can do, the worst charge. And and you know it's you know it's not true, too. You're a political operative also. You're disa you're a disgrace."
He's talking to her lawyer in a deposition, Mr. Trump. All right. Joining us now, uh, from Newark, New Jersey, is attorney Ronald Coleman, who's filing this case. You know, I wonder whether most uh counselors, most lawyers give a hoot about this because it goes right to the heart of our justice system, even though it's a civil case that you can make up anything about anybody, and I certainly do not believe eg Carol. I'm going to be upfront about that, okay? And then try to ruin them, and Carol won. A jury awarded her $5 million, and then a judge gave her another $80 million because Trump allegedly defamed her. I would think that every lawyer in the country would be interested in this. Am I wrong?
You're wrong. And and you're wrong for the same reason that most of so many of us were wrong about how quiet lawyers, especially the criminal defense bar, have been over the last 10 years with respect to everything involving Donald Trump. The the rape. If there's any rape that's involved Donald Trump, it was the rape of the attorney-client privilege. Uh, the Michael Cohen business, all the things that have that have been done to to Donald Trump that the ACLU and the extremely well-spoken criminal defense bar have had so little to say, save perhaps Alan Dersowitz. Don't be surprised at all. This is negotiable virtue that they have and pretty much not much else. But I don't care because Trump got hammered. Um, but Stephanopoulos paid a price for what he did. However, there's silence, uh, across the country about this story. I guess it's well, it's gone away. Trump isn't going to uh suffer for it.
But the case is going to come before the Supreme Court. Correct?
It is distinctly possible. And it it it's it's a real shame because it should have been dealt with. It's bad enough that this went through the New York district court, but that the second circuit was so ready to rubber stamp the decisions of the district court is really disturbing. So many problems with so many legal problems, so many procedural problems, so many constitutional problems. Now, these kind of things happen in lots of cases, and circuit courts ignore them lots of times. The only reason anyone's even hearing about this is because it involves the president of the United States.
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The Justice Department is keeping very quiet about this. In fact, there's contradictory statements being made. The case is now in Illinois, the US Attorney's Office, but we can't get any definition on what they're doing, if anything. Do you know?
Well, I I certainly don't know. Uh, I even even if I were a member of the Trump legal team, I wouldn't know. I haven't been for a couple of for a couple of years, but it is a um not not particularly surprising that those who do know aren't going to say whether they're on the Trump side or the Carol side or the government side because it's still an investigation. And as you point out, Bill, the government has denied that there is an investigation with respect to Carol herself. They are looking at the Reed Hoffman business, and to the extent that his activities involve her, then she's she and this case would be part of the investigation.
All right. So Hoffman and his crew, the focus on whether they broke certain laws, uh, in their pursuit of trying to convict Donald Trump in civil court. Do I have that correct?
Well, not convict, but to find him liable. I mean, they they're not all that interested in either the $5 million or the $83 million. They're they were what the entire purpose of that lawsuit was was to destroy Donald Trump's political reputation, to make him unelectable.
So why isn't there more exposition on this? Because it seems to me that's a very high crime to take out a legitimate contender for the presidency with a false accusation. And I'm not even going to get into what he said, she said about it. But if the person Eugene Carol says under oath, "Nobody helped me." And then $7 million rolled into her attorneys, that's pretty serious, it looks to me. Is it not?
It is pretty serious. And you know, Bill, from from a technical point of view, from what I understand, the Carol team is taking the position that well, she was always, and and and apparently this second circuit passed on this as well, she was always walled off from the mechanics of it. But that means when asked the question, you don't answer no. You answer, I've been walled off from the mechanics of it. Moreover, when the lawyer says six months later, you know, I've been thinking about this case, kind of just going through the files, and I just remembered about that $7 million check. $7 million is a lot of money for most lawyers.
Just remember.
And I don't buy the Eugene Carol thing at all because she had to walk into an lawyer's office or be guided in. All right. She had to make a deal, whether it's a contingency deal or hourly deal. She she had to be involved in it. Had to be.
Of course.
So, it looks to me like.
Yeah. That's how they're going to portray her as this daughtering person. But if she's so daughtering, how can you believe anything she says about the actual case?
Well, if it involves Donald Trump, the rule always is you believe it. Especially, you know, if you actually go so far as to name the source for the claim against Donald Trump, that's a home run. I mean, you you can you can say anything about Donald Trump, and it's repeated breathlessly and immediately by the corporate media.
Yeah. None of the media has challenged this Eene Carol as far as we can tell. Uh, I'm bringing it up because I just think it's not only dangerous for Mr. Trump, but it's dangerous for every single American.
Every single be more.
Every single American. And and and and one of the things that Bill that is the most concerning about this is again the point that you brought up at the beginning where where's the legal profession? Where's the judiciary on this? The judiciary is supposed to be the neutral arbiter. Supposed to be the last best opportunity an aggrieved citizen has or an accused citizen has to get justice. And they have so failed. I mean, every court in New York, whether federal or state, failed so miserably, uh, with respect to the lawfare brought against Donald Trump. It's a gigantic problem. And it really presents a a political and institutional problem for the Supreme Court as well.
And a jury participated in this whole charade as well. They found him guilty. Well, juries in.
Without a reasonable doubt, lady. If you don't know when it happened, that's reasonable doubt to me.
You would think that. And you would think that even if even if the jury didn't find that that there was reasonable doubt, you know, there are many opportunities for judges and reviewing courts to say there is insufficient evidence. It is very hard, Bill, to appeal from a jury verdict. Uh, and you sue people in certain jurisdictions because you know what kind of juries you're going to get in these political cases. And they guessed right just about every time.
All right, counselor. Thanks very much for your expertise. Let us know if anything breaks and you hear about it.