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People ask me, they they give me these symptoms. They say, "I have trouble breathing. My blood pressure is high." You know, they got these same symptoms. I'm like, "Okay, what is it? Is it mold? Is it a gas leak? It could be radon in the house. Obviously, it could be a diet problem."
For a lot of people, it's a diet problem, but there's this underlying mechanism of chronic illness that occurs. And back in the 1930s, it was called lactic acidosis. And now that term lactic acidosis has a different definition, but now we call it mitochondrial dysfunction. So the lactic acidosis as defined in the 1930s and mitochondrial dysfunction as defined now, these are two different mechanisms, and they occur at the same time. When these two mechanisms are occurring, that is chronic illness. Whether it's fatigue, POT syndrome, cancer, heart attack, plaquing in the arteries, high cholesterol, skin rash, you know, fibromyalgia, it doesn't matter. But chronic illness has an underlying common denominator, and it's this mechanism that we know now as mitochondrial dysfunction. But they knew it. If you can see behind my shoulder, I've got these old books. Those are from the '30s and '40s. And they talk about this lactic acidosis. It's the mechanism of chronic disease. So the point is, when I had the mold and when I had the gas leak, I had the same symptoms, but I had to find the cause and then I had to address the mechanism. So there's my story with that.
"Would metabolic syndrome be pretty much categorized as the same definition, more or less?"
100%. 100%. Yeah. I've got a book from Dr. Henry Harrower, the father of endocrinology. And in this book, he talks about lactic acidosis as related to each organ, glandular organs like, you know, thymus, thyroid, spleen, pancreas, liver, and he correlates lactic acidosis with diseases. So cancer, heart disease, diabetes. I mean, he says diabetes is lactic acidosis, and he says heart disease is lactic acidosis.
So the solution is several things. Number one, absolutely low-carb diet, okay? 100% low-carb diet. Number two, get rid of all the toxins in your body. Make sure you're not breathing in gas and mold. And then you've got to detox your body so that your blood is healthy and filled with oxygen and nutrients, and that your cells can dump their waste into the blood to get carried away. And number three, get rid of all the infections, parasites, mold, candida, virus, bacteria, Lyme disease. You've got to clean your body out of all the organisms, all the toxins, and eat a low-carb diet. That's what they said in the '30s, and that is still true today.
So in 2018, I made this graphic showing, and this is my career, right? I've, when you see, okay, the other thing about my practice, I don't take insurance. I haven't taken insurance since 2005. So people come to me, they've got chronic problems, and I'm like, "Okay, what do we have to do to fix this person?" If I don't get them well, they're not going to come back. Why would they see me anyways? Because they already have insurance. They already have a medical doctor, but they're coming to me because I have a new viewpoint. So, after I've seen tens of thousands of patients, I'm going to use the term pattern recognition. Studying these old books and seeing tens of thousands of people, it's like, "Okay, I see the pattern. I see patterns emerging." And then in 2018, I made what I call the seven-step blueprint to optimal health. So there are seven steps to get better from chronic illness, and we can get into that.
But so, 2018, I made this and I started using it, started teaching it. And then in January 2025, a blood test was released to the public called the MVX Plus. It stands for metabolic vulnerability index. And this test measures cellular health. And it's available nationwide at LabCorp. And the wholesale price is $20. So it's very cheap. And then you've got the upcharges. I charge $49 for it because I've got to pay my staff and all that. And guess what? It correlates with the seven-step blueprint to optimal health, like one for one. So this blood test validates everything I ever figured out and then codified with the seven steps.
Now, this MVX Plus test, it's been tested on over 300,000 people by the NIH and the UK Biobank. And what they did was they drew blood on groups of people. And then they held onto their blood for 8 to 10 years, depending on the group, depending on the researchers, and they just waited to see who died. And then they looked at their blood. And they looked to try to predict which blood markers would predict their death. And there are six. There are six blood markers that predict mortality better than anything else. And they predict mortality better than V2 max and whether or not you can do a push-up and your, your, um, do if you smoke or your weight or kidney disease, heart disease. These six factors measure cellular health and they predict longevity.
"And what are the six?"
The six are glyc, which we can get into details, but glyc is infection and/or inflammation. Small cell particle count, which is related to toxicity and liver function. Citrate, which is related to mitochondrial function. And then the last three are the branch-chain amino acids, valine, leucine, and isoleucine. And they're correlated with your diet and B1 status and whether or not you're eating enough protein, whether or not you're eating too many carbohydrates, whether or not you can digest protein. So all those three amino acids are all related to diet. The first one, valine, is the number one best predictor of heart disease. Better than LDL cholesterol, better than triglycerides, better than anything else. And we're talking after, we're talking, you know, three dozen blood markers that have been studied over years, valine is the best predictor of heart disease. So there's MVX Plus. So you look at these six factors, and they can all be improved with diet and supplements.
"And MVX Plus is the, the, the conglomerate of those six?"
Yeah. So MVX, okay, good question. So the metabolic vulnerability index is a number. It's a conglomerate of all six.
"Okay."
And so the MVX, okay, that index is a score, one to 100. And you want your score to be low. So that is the overall score. And so, as an example, I [clears throat] had the gas leak and I was suffering through 2024. Stopped the gas leak December 2024. And then here's another story, but I'm the one that got NDX Plus released to the public. That's a whole story. And so January 13th of 2025, I got my first blood draw for NVX Plus. I still had heart pain and lung pain from the gas leak. And my score was 55. And that gives me a 20% chance of dying in the next 5 years. One month later, I didn't change my supplements. I didn't change anything other than I stopped breathing in gas. So one month later, I got my blood drawn again, and my score dropped from 55 to 31. So now my chance of dying in the next 5 years is 3%. So I, so I dropped my chance of dying by 17% by not breathing in gas. So that's an, and that's what I do. That's what I've been doing my whole career. But now I can objectively measure that people are living longer and that they're healthier. And let's say their glyca is too high, then I know we have to go after organisms, you know, with herbs and, you know, that kind of stuff. I don't use drugs because I'm a chiropractor. And then we're talking long-term chronic, you know, health problems. So, somebody can have candida for 15 years, and the drugs don't work. So, we've got to do, you know, oregano and stuff like that. And then if it's, but if it's small particle count, let's say that's off, then we need to detoxify them.
So I had a patient who at the beginning of 2025, she's a new patient, and she says to me, "I have residual C. diff." So about 6 months earlier, she had terrible diarrhea, you know, and C. diff, Clostridium difficile, is an organism in the gut that causes diarrhea. She needed IV antibiotics for weeks, and it saved her life, which is great. And when she came to me, she goes, "I have residual C. diff." She's underweight. She looks terrible. Her hair is falling out. Her energy is down. She feels weak. I ran MVX on her. And if she had residual C. diff, you would expect her glyca to be high, 'cause that's infection and/or inflammation. Well, her glyca was normal. But what was off was the branch-chain amino acids, and they were too high. And, um, I told her, and her brother was in the room, and they're both in their like late 60s. So I told her, I was like, "It's not residual C. diff. Look at this number. Your problem is that you're malnourished." And her brother points at her, kind of angry, you know, brother-sister love, right? A little angry.
"Yeah, you eat sugar every day and you don't eat enough protein." Or he said, he goes, "You don't eat enough meat." So boom, it flipped in her mind. She knew exactly what to do. Two months later, she's like 90% better. She looks better. Her hair stops falling out. Her energy's up. You know, so that's from the MVX Plus test. It told us what to do. It told us what she needs.
"So, how does that um correlate throughout your seven-phase protocol? Like what, what are the seven phases and like what are you looking at throughout each of these phases as it relates to those blood markers?"
That's a good question. So, here are the seven steps real quick. Step one is diet. Step two is mitochondrial function. Primarily B1 is amazing for mitochondria. Step three is called drainage. So we've got the liver, kidneys, lymphatic system, colon. These are organs that naturally clean the body out. So drainage. Step four is cleaning out the gut. I've got supplements that clean out parasites like worms and also mucoid plaque, like old mucus. Step five is cleaning out organisms from head to toe. I've got herbal supplements that do an amazing job getting rid of organisms from head to toe. And then step, um, that's five. And then step six is detox heavy metals and chemicals. I've got supplements that when I put people on them, their breath, you know, they taste metals in their mouth. Their pee smells like a chemical factory. You know, we know that they're detoxing. We can run labs before and after to prove that they're detoxing. And then the last step, seven, is, um, cleaning out the inside of cells. So inside the cells, we have, um, Lyme disease, like Borrelia burgdorferi is a Lyme, which they discovered in 1981. Later, they found Babesia, Bartonella. So really, when I say the word Lyme disease, I'm talking about dozens of organisms in the cells and toxins too. So we're going to clean out the cells. Step seven, again, it's herbs that do that. And then I actually added on one more step, which is, oh, which is optimization. So that's where you add nutrients for organs, liver support, you know, that's where magnesium starts to work well, 'cause everybody talked about magnesium, how great it is. I've given people magnesium for years, and it doesn't do a great job if you have parasites in your gut, mercury in your body, you know, your liver is not working good, and you've got to do the seven steps. So you clean your body out first, and then you nourish it. So that's why I have step O at the very end, optimizing with nutrients, because toxicity, that's the main problem. If you want to live longer, clean your body out. You know, people talk about, "Here's my nutrient stack," or "Here's my, you know, my supplement stack." It's like, "Okay, like, did you get all the parasites out? Did you get all the Lyme out? Did you get the chemicals and metals out?" So, so it's a shift, this, it's a shift in our healthcare thinking, whether we're, you know, medically, um, uh, biased or herbally biased or diet. You see what I'm saying? There's Lyme specialists, there's toxin specialists, there's parasite, there's the keto specialist, like, you know, and it's all good. It's all good stuff. But the thing is, you've got to do all these things in the right order.
"And then you can track it with MVX Plus. So if MVX Plus shows high glyca, which is infection or inflammation, then that's steps four, five, and seven. If they have high, if their small particles are off, that means they're toxic, that's step six. If their branch-chain amino acids are off, that's steps one and two. And if, um, their mitochondria are off, that's a citrate. That's step two. So that's how they correlate. I have all these on graphs, you know, like I show these on videos and stuff on my YouTube channel."
"So are you, uh, recommending people get these lab markers first, kind of establish a baseline, and then just go through, would you, would you take them through the seven steps chronologically, or would you, like, pinpoint, hey, if this test is showing that it's step four that they're having an issue with, you just go straight there? You have to lay the groundwork first."
Yeah. Uh, depending on the person, um, and their lab report from MVX, we can jump to step seven if that's what they need.
"Okay."
Right.
"What, what are you seeing like as common denominators, pattern recognition, and the types of people that you're working with? Like, what is the most common stumbling block that they're all dealing with? Probably diet, I would assume. Like most people just..."
That's a good question. You've got great questions. So, some people have a really good diet for many years, but they're very toxic from their job. Or maybe they, I remember seeing a woman, she flew, this is, this is 20 years ago, and she had spent 20 years flying for her job, and her diet was really, really good, but she was just filled with chemicals. Other people, they're not toxic, and they change their diet, and they're magically better, you know. And some people, they have, I've got one guy in particular, um, he's got an Apple Watch. He wore it 24 hours a day, and during the middle of the night, it would, it would vibrate and wake him up, and it would say, "Do you want to call 911?" 'cause his heart was such a mess, like chest pain and high blood pressure. And for a living, since he was 13 years old, he, he laid carpet down. So what that means is he's pulling up old carpet, and all old carpet has cat pee and dog poop and, you know, it's got bacteria and parasites. So I had him taking parasite supplements, and he's like eliminating, you know, three-foot worms and stuff. And then he went on the carnivore diet, pure carnivore, and it really only took about, I mean, about 8 months or something. He got better really fast. So I'm just sharing that because he wasn't toxic with metals and chemicals, right? And his dietary change was, it was well-received by his body. He just had the two factors: he had parasites and he had a dietary change. And then, and then MVX came out, and his score was 17, which is amazingly good. So, and he's super happy. I see him every four months now. That's it.
"Yeah. Like some, like the parasites, for instance, a lot of people see there's a lot of hype around parasites right now. They want to do these cleanses and detoxes to see what comes out of them, which would be kind of scary, I would assume. But like, should I mean, what is the litmus test for? Should people even pursue that? I mean, I guess I could take that test, that blood marker test, and kind of like know. But like, if I feel great, for instance, I've been doing, you know, I feel like I've got my nutrition, I feel like I've got my environment, I feel like I've got everything dialed in. I feel pretty freaking awesome. Like, should I take this test to proactively see if there's anything else I can optimize for?"
Yeah, if you were to take the test, it would show that you've been successful with your, um, activities regarding your health, but it may expose something. Like, even if your scores are really, really good, they could be, like, out of relationship with each other. See, and when you look at the reference range on the report, just ignore that because that's LabCorp, right? They have to have certain parameters, and it's like, it doesn't make sense. The reference ranges don't make sense. So, if you ran, you can, you can send it to me, and I'll look at it. I can, I can tell you, you know, what needs to be improved and stuff depending on the numbers. But, let me get back to your, what's, I was, what's the litmus test for parasites?
"Right. Here's a litmus test. You go like this, put your fingers on your wrist, and see if you have a pulse. If you have a pulse, you probably have parasites."
[laughter]
"I guess. Good parasites and bad parasites?"
No, they're all bad.
"Overload of parasites."
They're all bad. So, but some people say, "Well, parasites are good because they absorb heavy metals and chemicals." And that's a true statement, but you want to get those out, too. You've got to get the heavy metals and chemicals out. So, here's how to really address parasites. There are parasite tests like a stool analysis. I don't run them anymore because they don't work. They don't find parasites. Bottom line. So, just take the supplements. And my favorite is Mimosa Pudica seed. And there are several companies that have that in their, uh, catalog. The first company that really started with the Mimosa Pudica seed is Cellcore. Cellcore Biosciences, just giving them a shout-out. So you take it, and then if nothing comes out, fine. You know, go to the bathroom, and your stools are always fine, normal, okay, good, then you're good. But just finish a bottle. And a lot of people see worms come out, or they have like mucus, you know, old mucoid plaque coming out.
"What, what is the mechanism in that supplement that drives that out? Like, how is that binding to the parasites or what, what's actually happening there?"
Yeah. So that the product, you know, it's in a capsule. Like, if you were to take that capsule, open it up, and put it in your mouth, it'll turn into like a very soft chewing gum. So then you swallow that. And so it's a little bit sticky. It's a little bit heavy. It grabs onto old stuff and it just weighs it down and pulls it out. So there are cases where somebody's getting rid of worms, and it's like the worms are obviously worms. They look like an earthworm, or they're segmented like a tapeworm, or they look like thread. So the threadworm. Um, I actually had a hookworm come out. It had the, you know, the mouth. And then other times, what comes out looks like the product. It looks like the Mimosa seed. And still, it doesn't mean, oh, it doesn't mean, you know, there's nothing there. It could still be killing off and wiping out microscopic organisms, you know. So you finish a bottle, see how you do. If you want to do two bottles, three bottles, fine. You know, just take it as long as you want to take it.
"But most people, most people have four to six months."
"And what is that supplement derived from? It's a seed."
"It's a plant. Yeah. The Mimosa plant has these leaves that when you touch it, they curl up. It's super interesting. So that's the plant, and you take the seed of that, and you, and the manufacturers process that, and they put it into a powder, and they put it into a capsule. So, if we've all got parasites, we've all got a pulse, which makes [clears throat] sense. Um, is it more so just a matter of like, they're not providing any benefit? So if you have an overload of those parasites, once they're competing for nutrition that you're consuming, that's obviously going to be a net negative. So you basically have to turn the tides in your favor, so to speak. Make sure you're getting more of what they're getting, [clears throat] right?"
They eat your food, and then they poop in you. They also release, um, ammonia, which is very alkaline. It's like 11.5 pH, and the alkaline chemicals will melt your tissue, sort of like it's a, it can be a burning sensation, but the mechanism is more of like a melting of your tissue. So then people end up with a lot of mucus, you know, like biofilm and stuff.
"A lot of organisms besides parasites make ammonia. So people end up with mucus and coughing and mucus in their gut. And I had, in 2017, I took a product called Par 3. Again, this is from Cellcore. I taught for Cellcore for three years. It's an amazing, it's an amazing company, and nobody pays me ever on podcast and YouTube videos. I have a thousand videos on my YouTube channel. Nobody's ever paid me to talk about their products. But with the Par 3, I had a lot of parasites coming out of me. I had three come out of my nose, and like a lot of mucus came out. And I had a lot because of that mold. I was in that moldy office for 13 years. So I had mold, I had parasites, I had metals and chemicals. And when I first got on YouTube in 2013, 2014, 2015, I looked terrible. And people had comments, really hateful, stupid comments about it. Looked like I got punched in both eyes, really dark circles under my eyes. And they're right, you know, and they're jerks at the same time, but they were right, you know."
"So, that's all cleaned up. It's taken me a few years to do it, you know, 'cause that was 10 years ago. But yeah, so."
"And I guess, like, you can have a freaking rock-solid immune system, and the parasites would be foreign to your body, but regardless of how good your immune system is, like, you're not going to be able to fight them off necessarily, right?"
Parasites mimic your DNA and they hide from your immune system, and they create mucus, and they live in the mucus. And a lot of, or bacteria, mold, candida, they all make mucus, and they live in it, so your immune system can't even get to it.
"And when [snorts] you were having these, you know, come from your nose, like, was that when you were taking the detox? Like, that was what was driving like..."
You're not going to just notice the, the worms or parasites unless you're taking some form of detox, I guess, right?
"Right. Yeah. Par 3 is what made that come out in my nose. But yeah, I've had a lot of people blow parasites out of the nose and big mucoid balls of, you know, one of my friends, he also used, we've taught before to doctors and, um, but one of his patients, she's probably, I don't know, probably 15 or 16 years old, she recorded herself pulling a worm out of her nose. It's like, you know, 3 inches. And I, I put that on my TikTok channel, you know, blocking out her eyes, right? You can't tell who she is. And that happened to her six times. She had six of these, and they look like earthworms, but they can live like in your. I had a guy, um, I had him take Par 3. [clears throat] There's more to the story, but I'll get right to the chase. He got rid of them. They look like flukes. They're about 2 inches or less, maybe an inch. And they were fat in the middle and skinny on the end. So they look like liver flukes or lung flukes. They came out of his nose. He said he got 10 to 20 out every day for about three to four weeks, just pulling parasites out of his nose with this Par 3. Now, again, Par 3 is step five of the seven steps. You can't just start taking this product without preparing for it. You have to prepare your body for this."
"All right, so this is maybe a tangent, but kind of relevant. So, I was at Meattostock this past weekend, and, uh, there was one booth there, and he was advocating for, uh, you know, raw carnivore, eating raw meat, and that's obviously grown in prevalence with the popularity of carnivore. Um, and like he had, you know, he had been raw carnivore for like 22 years. His six-year-old son had been raw carnivore since birth. Um, we all have parasites, but I would assume if you're eating raw meat, especially if you can't really account for where it was sourced or what the handling was like, like your, the likelihood of [snorts] contracting more parasites is probably elevated, right?"
Yeah. But I'm a fan of raw carnivore. I've had patients, I think I've seen raw meat reverse the worst cancers. Mhm.
"Raw liver, raw red meat, reversing literally reversing metastatic pancreatic cancer and metastatic, um, and, um, animal cancer with cacia, raw meat, raw liver, raw eggs, raw butter, raw dairy, super, super healthy. What would be the benefit from a cancer cell growth standpoint in raw versus strict carnivore? Like, if you're eating the same thing but cooked, like, is there something in an implication from how it reacts with cancer?"
"So, I don't have a good answer for you on that, other than it's probably easier to digest."
"Okay, makes sense. Makes sense."
"Probably more nutrients. I don't know if the point of heating meat is originally is to kill off parasites because, you know, you put meat over the flame, and the parasites start crawling out, you know, and then you eat it, right? That's what our ancestors used to do once they got a, got control of fire."
"Or cooked at least. I mean, I'd rather eat a cooked dead parasite, uh, 'cause then it's not anything to me, you know."
"But, you know, but all these traditional cultures also had their antiparasitic herbs, you know, wasabi in Japan, and the chili peppers in Mexico, and wormwood, um, kills parasites. These are all herbs that our ancestors, you know, used to take. But it's been taken out of our culture. So, I was at a, this is 20 years ago, I was at a health, um, health fair as a vendor, and this woman came up to me, and she said, when, and she was in her 70s, and she said, when, so now we're talking 90 years ago, right, that she had her babies, and she lived out in the rural area, not too far from me. And she said, 'Yeah, the local farmer came to my house and was visiting, and he said, "Did you deworm your children yet?"' And she's like, 'What?' He goes, 'Yeah, once a year, you have to deworm your children, and your pigs, and the horses, and the dogs, and the cats.' Like, that's like everybody should be doing that, regardless of what your favorite social media influencer says."
"You've got to deworm regularly. And if you're walking, you know, barefoot or touching soil or touching animals or eating food, you probably have parasites. If you're drinking water, you probably have parasites. So, yeah."
"Yeah. I'm always barefoot. I'm always, I mean, we're raising our own livestock. I've got four pigs out in the field right now. Like, yeah, I'm probably chalk full of parasites, man."
"Yeah. Yeah."
"Interesting. All right. So, let's, let's dive, let's flesh out these seven phases a little bit more in depth here. So, the first one's diet, nutrition. Um, I'm assuming that most people that come to you have probably done a little bit of digging on their own. They're probably somewhat well-versed in what you would recommend, are probably already following low carb to some extent. Um, what, what is your take on just nutrition, broad brushstrokes? Like, you mentioned, you know, low carb is definitely the way to go, keto, carnivore. Um, is there any argument for not reducing those carbohydrates?"
No. No, I don't think so. So, you know, there's a, there's different theories. I just saw a short-form video where this guy's talking about eating potatoes for two weeks, and he lost 19 pounds. And he goes, "There's no butter, no sour cream, just potatoes." I'm like, "Okay, okay, fine. You lost 19 lbs. Good job. Now what? You can eat potatoes like that every day for the rest of your life? No, that'll kill you, right? So you can do like a high-carb temporary diet as a, as a trick, but then when you're done, you've got to get back to eating meat." And I think I'm a big fan of the pro-high diet. So dietdoctor.com, you know what I'm talking about.
"Mhm."
"Brett Sher and Andreas Eenfeldt."
"And Ted Niemann."
"Ted Niemann. Yeah. So the idea there is high protein, low carb, and low fat. And when you eat a lot of protein, your body's very satisfied. You end up eating less calories. And if I was like in charge, if I was like RFK Jr. and I had to demand a diet, it would be the high satiety diet. And he's kind of doing that. He's saying just eat real food, and he flipped the pyramid, the food pyramid upside down. So then at the same time, some people need ketosis, especially to clean out fat of their liver. And some people prefer the carnivore diet. So I'm still like catering to what that person needs, right? But never have I ever said eat a bunch of sugar, do a futarian diet, you know, like eat ultra-processed food. It's, you know, got to do a low-carb diet. And I want to say one more thing about this. You know, Dr. Craft, you know that?"
"Right."
"So, when he did his work, he saw that 92% of American children 18 and under have insulin problems. And it makes sense because their diet is worse than, than the adults. It's like 72% of their diet is ultra-processed food. So you can't like measure the glucose of an 18-year-old and say, 'Oh, look, you know, it's normal. Your glucose is 80.' No, their insulin is where that's at. You know, you've got to test their insulin pattern after they eat."
"There's my take on the diet. Low carb. Absolutely."
"Yeah. I am, um, it's funny, man. Like, I, I'm in multiple different nutritional circles, and I just see all this stuff play out over time. I've been in the space long enough to see all these trends and ups and flows, and it's like, I don't want to be dogmatic about nutrition, but I can't really justify any good argument for having a ton of carbohydrates in the diet. I mean, carbohydrates in isolation isn't the reason we are, you know, facing an obesity epidemic necessarily, and like, there are certainly people that can tolerate more carbs than others, but like, it's not necessary, it's not required, it's not mandatory, and if you look at society as a whole, it's not doing us any favors. So I'm in complete agreement with you there."
"Yeah, let me add this. So I think that I say plants are medicine, meat is food, and drugs are poison. So let's look at plants as medicine. There are people that just eat pure carnivore, they don't eat any plants, but other people need plants. They feel better on plants. So, the, the carbs there would be medicine or the fiber 'cause they get constipated on a carnivore diet. So I see that as medicine."
"So, yeah, some people need plants, and I've put people on the carnivore diet, and they did terribly on it."
"So, okay, add in the salad, add salads back in."
"Speaking on the fiber component, um, so yeah, when you look at a lot of the studies, they're obviously going to paint, you know, fiber in a positive light, um, for multiple different reasons, but when you're looking at it, when you're looking at through your seven steps here, how, how much significance or importance do you put in on fiber? Like, if someone's doing zero fiber and they're not constipated, they've got the right amount of bile production, they're taking enough dietary fat to keep things running, like, if they're not having GI distress in the complete absence of fiber, do you feel like there's any inherent benefit to fiber from like a detox standpoint?"
No, I don't think from a detox standpoint. Um, as long as their bowel movements are fine, then they're fine, I think.
"Okay."
"Yeah. And I think the studies where they show that you need more fiber in the population is based on people eating the standard American diet."
"Which is the worst diet. So, yeah, add more fiber, add more meat."
"Like that benefit you get away from the ultra-processed food."
"But like, yeah, I don't think it's necessary. Yeah, I think all the positive benefits that come from fiber, like one's needs and requirements of fiber are directly correlated to how much carbohydrates you're consuming in general. If you're taking in more junk, then you need more fiber to clear it out. But if you're not, then you don't, you know."
"All right, remind me what the second step was."
"That's, um, mitochondrial enhancement or mitochondrial energy production."
"Okay. What's the litmus test there?"
"Um, so let's start with vitamin B1. B1 is in charge of five different biochemical reactions in the mitochondria, including step one, which is bringing pyruvate into the mitochondria and converting it to acetyl-CoA. If you don't have enough B1, that step doesn't happen. You end up tired. And I, okay, I told the story about the gas leak. I took B1 within an hour, I was breathing easier. So I'm like, 'What is this? What's B1?' I never learned about this ever in my 20-plus year career. So since then, I've put hundreds of people on it. It has been the absolute best supplement I've ever used in my whole career. People, and it helps with psych issues, GI problems, cardiovascular problems, neurological problems, uh, peripheral neuropathy, and even cachexia, like the end-of-life syndromes. People die from a B1 deficiency. And I had a woman last fall. She's 92 years old. She lost 25 lbs in 3 months, and she's not trying. She just lost her appetite. And I talked to her about every 3 weeks or 3 months. So her daughter is telling me, like, 'Yeah, she's down 25 lbs. We don't know why.' I was like, 'That's cachexia.' I put her on B1. We talked three months later, and her weight stopped dropping. She's staying at 125. And then I just talked to her yesterday. She's still at 125. Her appetite's still good. So I saved her life with B1."
"Nice. Where, where are people getting B1 currently if they're not supplementing?"
"B1 is like in a lot of foods. And if you want to get a high therapeutic dose of B1, then you have to eat about 12 pounds of pork a day. So it's just better to get the fat-soluble vitamins like, uh, benfotiamine or TTFD. 12 pounds of pork would be a [clears throat] little, little rough for most people."
"Really rough. Yeah. So, this, this is one of the major, whoever made these human bodies, there's a couple of mistakes that I would have corrected. Number one, the windpipe and the food pipe are too close to each other in the throat. So some people choke on their food, right? They can't breathe, and they, that's a mistake that the human body should not have [laughter] that. And then the other major mistake about our human bodies is that we only store 30 milligrams of B1, and it's easily lost with stress, parasites, mold, alcohol, tea, coffee, of course, sugar. So we just lose B1 so easily. And I said it's in a lot of foods, but it's not very high in a lot of foods. So thankfully, for the first time in human history, since the 1960s, we have benfotiamine, which was invented in Japan. So yeah, man, people, I, I've saved, you know, I had a guy with swollen ankles, and he's been with me 20 years. He's always been a little overweight. He's big-boned. He came to me last summer. He's like, 'Yeah, I got my, look at my ankles are swollen. What do I do?' And I'm thinking to myself, 'Oh my gosh, he's got congestive heart failure. It's not going to be good.' I put him on high-dose B1. Six weeks later, totally fine."
"And low blood pressure. Huh?"
"Is there like, um, like an upper threshold to that? Like, can you over-supplement it?"
"Yeah, you can. So [clears throat and coughs] most people need a high dose only for about 6 months, and then here's the interesting thing about B1 is when you take it initially, symptoms will go away. Sometimes people feel worse first for a few days, and then they feel better. But when you take too much of it later, like six months later, those same symptoms come back. So that's your body saying, 'Okay, no more B1.' So that's a super interesting fact about B1."
"Interesting. Okay. Um, and, and most people as a population are pretty deficient via testing, right? Like, they're, like, if they were to get a test, they would be showing deficient in B1."
"Yeah. Yeah. As a matter of fact, [clears throat] in the, in the ICU units at the hospitals, uh, it's about 70% of people there are deficient in B1. Most diabetics are deficient in B1. Um, there's records of, like, deer population out west is deficient in B1. Salmon in the Pacific Ocean are deficient in B1. They've tested these things. And why are they deficient? Because of the pollution. So toxicity needs, you need ATP for your cells to work. And one thing that the cells do is detoxify. So if you're, if they're overwhelmed with toxins, you're deficient in B1, you can be deficient in glutathione, you can be deficient in vitamin C. So you just lose nutrients, you know, as your body is trying to clean itself out. Yeah. But most..."
"Toxicity is the next step, right?"
"Um, next step is step three. That's drainage of the organs, like..."
"Okay. Flush that one out for me."
"Okay, cool. So, here are the organs of, of, of drainage. The main ones are colon, obviously, liver, kidneys. And kidneys are a little bit weak compared to the liver. So, um, the other organs of excretion include sinuses, lungs, skin. I feel, oh, and then the lymphatic system. That's the sewer system of the body from head to toe. So I do muscle testing. You know what that is?"
"Like a, like spasm testing or or what?"
"The biofeedback procedure where the patient holds her arm out. I push on the arm. That's muscle test. It's a biofeedback. Some people use computers to do this biofeedback testing. But I use the strength of a muscle. Anyways, I use this biofeedback procedure to test these different organs. I put people on supplements to make sure that those organs are working well. Then when they're working well, they're not constipated, they don't have any swollen lymph nodes, their kidneys are working well. Then we go to the next step, which is cleaning out the gut."
"Before we move to the gut, when you're looking at the, you know, drainage, are you, like, are people coming to you and saying, 'Hey, I'm, I'm constipated. I've got a lot of phlegm,' or like, what, what is the, what's the litmus test for there being an issue with the drainage systems?"
"Yeah, constipation, kidneys ache, uh, like the right upper quadrant hurts where the gallbladder or liver are. If they have asthma, lung, you know, lung issues, they're blowing the nose a lot for sinuses. I forgot to mention sinuses or do drainage. So, these drainage organs will give you symptoms if they're not working very well."
"There was a, a trend that was really hot for a while, like coffee enemas. Uh, is there any benefit to that or was that just the hype?"
"No, there's benefit to that. Um, I just use supplements. So, if people want to use coffee enemas, they're, that's fine. It's good. I mean, it was well used in the '50s and '40s."
"Yeah."
"It's not necessary. Like, not mandatory, though."
"No, not mandatory. Not with the knowledge I have about supplements."
"Okay. All right. The next thing was the, uh, the stomach. Got microbiome."
"Yeah. Cleaning out the gut. So, that's where the Mimosa Pudica comes in. That's where ropeworms come out. Yeah. Parasites. Yeah."
"And then what's after the parasites?"
"Then step five, that's cleaning out organisms from head to toe. So that's where oregano comes in and Artemisia. These are herbs that, you know, grapefruit seed extract, they can kill off organisms from head to toe. So let me give you an example. So [clears throat] I have a woman, she's from Ethiopia, and so she has arthritis in her hands. It's very painful. So, she's been with me a couple of years. I got rid of her arthritis using supplements and diet. And this winter, she went to Ethiopia for a month, went to visit her family, and came back, and now her arthritis is back in her hands, eight out of 10, and she can't sleep. And, you know, but she doesn't want to take any drugs. And I was able to help her before. Now I have to help her again. So again, I'm doing this biofeedback procedure, and I find organisms in her tonsils, right here, under her jaw. And I gave her grapefruit seed extract. Now, this is like the third visit since she's been back from Ethiopia, and I missed the issue the first two times, but the third time I found this. And then I talked to her this week. It was Wednesday or Tuesday this week, yesterday or Tuesday. And now she's 80% better since I last saw her two weeks earlier. So I just..."
"And it was an organism that she contracted in Ethiopia."
"Yeah. Some organism in Ethiopia. It's hiding out here under her jaw, and it's causing arthritis in her hands. I see this all the time. The organism could be in the liver, hiding out, or maybe it's in the gut, and it's causing pain somewhere else. Cause pain in the back, cause pain in the hands, cause neck pain. So just because an organism, you know, is in one location doesn't mean that the symptoms are in the same location. They can be, the symptoms can be somewhere else. These are..."
"And how do you locate the organism? Like, what, uh, what is the organism and how do you locate the organism?"
"Well, I locate the organism using this biofeedback technique called muscle testing. Right? This is a culture. This is chiropractors do this. Naturopaths do this. This muscle testing biofeedback procedure. It's not well known."
"Okay."
"Right? And I don't say, I don't find the name of the organism. I'm not going to say, 'Oh, you have strep.' Because number one, it doesn't really matter. Number two, what matters is we get rid of it. Number three, it's not legal for me to find and treat strep. That's only medical doctors can cure a bacterial infection. See what I'm saying? I'm a chiropractor."
"So, what I do is I find out, oh, your immune system is stressed out in this location. What supplements can I give you to help that out? And they can always go, you know, go see an MD to go get an antibiotic. You know, some people get antibiotics multiple times a year, and then they get fed up with that, and they're like, 'Okay, let's actually fix the problem. What am I missing? What, what do I need to do to clear out the mucus, clear out the toxins, clear out the organisms?'"
"Makes total sense. So, um, like in her situation, for instance, how did the muscle testing, like, how, how did that go down to localize the organism in her throat? Like, how does that play out?"
"Okay, so here's how the muscle testing procedure works. So she, she holds her arm out in the air. She's holding, and I'm using her deltoid. I push on her arm, and her deltoid muscle keeps her arm up. Okay. Then I push on her tonsils like this, pushing up. And then as I do that, I use my other hand and I push on her arm, and it goes down. So here's the principle behind this. So, let's say you're holding your arm up, and I push on your arm, and it's strong. And then I take my foot and I, I stomp your toes. Now, your brain has its attention on your toes because they hurt. Your brain is no longer paying attention to the deltoid muscle. Therefore, your arm drops when I push on it. That's the principle behind it. So, as I push on her tonsils, it should, her arm should be strong, but there's some problem at her tonsils. Something's wrong. So as I push on it, it's creating a little bit excess stress, and her brain, her attention goes to her tonsils instead of her deltoid muscle. That's..."
"She's totally, this is all subconscious to her, I guess, right? Like, she, it's not like she's just distracted by that. Like, it's just totally subconscious."
"Yeah, it's subconscious, right? It's the nervous system that I'm testing her nervous system."
"Gotcha."
"Uh, you treated that with the grapefruit seed extract, you said?"
Yeah. Yeah. In that case, that's what she tested for. I tried. I tested other products, too. I had her hold on to the grapefruit seed extract. Just holding it made her arm strong. Just holding it.
Now, we're talking about testing fields, energetic fields. Talk about the energetic fields because I've heard about this. Um, [snorts] this is kind of a shade of gray for me for sure. So, like flesh that out and enlighten me.
Man. We're going deep. This is good. All right. So, energetic fields. All right. So, the liver has a field around it and the spleen and the pancreas, and they've all been measured. They all have different wavelengths.
So, they have independent fields.
This is definitely Eastern medicine, not Western medicine here. Oh, this is measured with Western tools. This, this the philosophy is definitely Eastern.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Right. And the science is both Eastern and Western.
Gotcha.
But the Western doctors, they just, they just ignore this. Okay. So, what else about the fields? Okay. So, now I hold on. Now, here's a supplement. I just have this on my desk. So, I have her hold the supplement, right? The supplement has a field, and her body picks up on this field. Okay. Okay. So now I go back to pushing up on the tonsils, and her arms stay strong while she's holding that supplement. So, so there's how that works. It's a, it's a reading of fields.
I need to have somebody do all this to me so I can just experience it firsthand. I'm a see-to-believe type of guy.
Yeah, it sounds good.
I don't doubt it, but like, I, I've heard this from multiple, multiple people now. So, like, I don't doubt that there's absolutely something to it. I just haven't, like, I haven't background, so it's foreign to me until I experience it, I guess.
Right. Yeah. So, I've been doing this with every patient since 1998, every visit.
Quite some time.
Tens of thousands of times, muscle testing. And again, we're, I think that traditional healers, like, you know, in China, Native Americans, I think they all did some kind of form of muscle testing. I could be totally wrong. I don't know. I, or, you know, I don't know.
Well, I mean, I really argue that they were way more in tune with the human body.
That's my point.
Yeah. So, I mean, like, I, I can't take that for granted by any means.
Um, very interesting. All right. So, that, that was step five. If I
So, what is six again?
Six is detox. Protective detox, cleaning out metals and chemicals. So, I have a, a urine sample, a urine test called Total Tox Burden that I use. And again, it could be picked up on MVX Plus, right, for that low price. And then my Total Tox Burden urine test is $715. So, it's kind of expensive. And we'll do that like before and after. So, the before and after time span would be like 12 months.
Mhm.
Right. And then we just see like on the first sample, they can have 30 or 40 toxins, and then a year later, now they have 20 or 15. So, we know we have another year to go.
Does, that you said it's a urine test?
Yeah, it's a urine, urine test. Yeah.
And that level of hydration is not going to skew those results?
No, because they, they uh, control for that. You'll see that on the test. Yeah.
Gotcha. Gotcha. Um, what about things like, um, you know, sauna use and things like that for detoxing?
Yeah, it's all good.
I just use the supplements. I think that the supplements are way more effective, to be honest. And when I was detoxing from mold, I took one particular supplement for seven years, to be honest. And I was using, I have a personal sauna from, um, like a canvas sauna. I did that three times a a week for a year, and then once a week for another year. But when I look back on it, I really think that the supplement helped me 95%, and the sauna helped me 5%. But I'm not downplaying sauna. If you may have a better quality sauna.
Yeah.
You know, so, like, yeah, go for it. But this, I think the supplements are still even better than that.
When you look at the things in our current day and age and environment that are contributing to the most toxin toxic load that people are, I mean, obviously it's going to be somewhat individualized based off their career path and things of that nature, but like, what is the low-hanging fruit that people are probably taking for granted that they could just remove or swap out or just avoid entirely to minimize the toxic load that we're being inundated with?
Okay. So, to, so there's lifestyle choices and then there's the toxins in the body that need to come out. So, obviously, get rid of all the plastic out of your kitchen. Don't use saran wrap, plastic bags, plastic forks.
Microwaving any plastic?
Right. Yeah. And then even if it's microwave, even if it's microwave-safe plastic, don't use it because it's not. Then the other thing is, um, the chemicals that we use to clean our homes, insecticides and pesticides, and then water. The best way to have healthy water is to have a water distiller. So, a, like a carbon block filter or even like a reverse osmosis, not as good as a distiller. So, you have completely 100% clean water. Then you just add some minerals, like, like this would be like, you know, like a liquid mineral, like a squirt per gallon, you know, like that.
You have a stance on structured water?
Yeah, I do. You might not want to hear it.
I, I'm not married to it one way or the other. So, I'm just curious.
I don't, I don't think it's that important.
Not that important?
And again, I don't want to offend anybody. I could be wrong, but in my 20 whatever years, I just don't think it's that important. I just think really, really clean water is very important.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Makes sense to me. I mean, I'm, I'm like I said, I'm not married to the the concept of structured water. I've only recently had a device that structures my water. So, I can't vouch for whether or not I've noticed any benefit from it or not.
Yeah.
Okay. So, that was six. What is seven?
Seven is cleaning out the inside of the cells. And so that would be clean, cleaning out toxins and organisms. And again, it's herbs. Herbs do a wonderful job. And the products that I use are multi-herbal combinations. So, some of them have nine herbs, some have like 13 herbs. And you just take them. They're liquids. I have one uh No. Yeah, it's step seven. The ones I have are all liquids. And so, the thing about these, I'm going to call again, I'm going to call them Lyme organisms or co-infections. They don't like to be in the blood. So, they like to hang out in the brain and the joints where there's not much of a white blood cell presence. So, when people have chronic hip pain and brain fog and stuff like these herbs do a fantastic job of reversing those symptoms and, you know, yeah, and you again, you can test for this. You can do. I use a test called tick-borne illness from Vibrant America. And, um, you know, the first sample would be, you could have like 20 or 25 organisms that they find. Then a year later, there's going to be five left or something like that. You can actually do tests for these. Now, the tests I run, they're not standard medical tests. You won't find them at a hospital or a medical clinic. These are state-of-the-art, you know, cutting edge. They're absolutely fantastic, but yet they're not old enough to be accepted by the medical society. See what I'm saying?
So, that's their disadvantage. The medical profession, they need to catch up with their medical testing, with their blood, you know, and their urine testing because it's the outside free market, you know, the entrepreneurs and quote unquote alternative health. They are kicking ass when it comes to testing. And as I watch them evolve over, you know, year by year, they're coming out with amazing, you know, newer products, newer labs. It just blows me away. So,
Do you feel like Western medicine is motivated and incentivized to catch up or do you feel like
No way. No way. There, the free market is where, um, innovation occurs. But it doesn't occur in a socialist society. Medicine is so socialized, right? They got their their federal grants and they got their insurance payments that come out of your paycheck every week. There's nothing you do about it. They're taking your money every week and they're comfortable. Why would they innovate? They're comfortable. They're happy.
It's the alternative doctors, man. And I hang out with them. Like,
Okay, being a chiropractor, I've been in the nutrition field my whole career. I'm not. The last time I took a new chiropractic patient was like 15 years ago. So, it's all nutrition, chronic illness. And then I've been attending these seminars given by this group called the International College of Integrative Medicine. And these are MDs, holistic MDs. They are amazing people and they innovate and they keep studying new stuff and they're doing the peptides and the stem cells and the, um, DNA testing and they're looking for, you know, root canals that are infected that are causing heart disease and cancer, you know, so you pull a bad tooth out to start the the repair of like cancer and heart disease and stuff like that. So, the, the world of alternative medicine is is so fascinating. It's they're just brilliant people. 100% agree with you there.
Given your exposure to that audience, that demographic, what, what is your stance on the peptide space right now, the GLP ones through threes, like what's the downstream effect of then?
Um, in [clears throat] general, I'm a fan of peptides and I see them as almost supplements. So, I have supplements that are glandulars. I got dried thyroid, dried adrenal, dried liver, and those are long-chain amino acids. Peptides are short-chain amino acids. That's the difference. The length of the amino acid chain, that's the difference between a supplement and a peptide. So, you can take a high dose of short-chain amino acids, known as peptides, and have a great effect. And it could be bad, it could be good. Just like the supplements, you can take too much bovine thyroid, desiccated or dried. You can take too much adrenal as a supplement, and I've done it myself and I've had patients experience it too. So, yeah, GLPs and all the MC and all that stuff, BPC-157, it can cause some problems. But when you have a smart doctor doing it, and you know, some of these doctors that I hang out with, they've been doing it 10 years and they know the dose should be lower and they know that you can do it maybe twice a week instead of every day, right? You got to do it intelligently. And when the pharma people, when they recommend these drugs, it's a high dose every single day and it can destroy you. I got a guy that I know, he's a mechanic. He's not a patient. And he went on a GLP, whatever which one it was, he lost 56 pounds really fast. He goes, he's depressed. He's got anxiety. He goes, I can't pick up a transmission anymore. He's lost all of his muscle. And I, so I put him on B1. Like I know he's B1 deficient because of his symptoms, but his doctor destroyed him, you know, but oh, look at his labs. He's better. He lost weight. His cholesterol is down. He, he, they destroyed him.
Right.
So, yeah, like it's got to be done by the right doctors. You can't just go to a weight loss doctor and say, "Hey, need a Zempic. Okay, here's the normal dose." No.
Yeah. I think any, there's absolutely a use case for it for sure, but I think anything in which it just simplifies the ability for people to push the easy button and have such a shortsighted, you know, view towards it is probably detrimental long term for them. I mean, in that guy's case specifically, it's like,
He's [clears throat] from a lab standpoint, like all of his markers have improved, probably improved blood pressure, all that good stuff, but like he can't even perform in his career path now, which is obviously not a net win.
Right. So, the other thing is, if you're going to take peptides or even stem cells, or there's a lot of things that come after you get all the parasites out, all the chemicals, all the metals, all the organs are functioning well. That's when the peptides work really well. That's when the stem cells will work. You got to clean your body out. The seven steps and MVX Plus come before anything else. That's my stance.
Gotcha. And again, you can get that, that uh, is MVX Plus, you said?
Metabolic Vulnerability Index.
Okay. And that's available at LabCorp, uh, Quest as well?
No, just LabCorp. You got to get a prescription or, you know, a requisition for that.
Okay.
Which, I have on the front page of my website, upper right corner, click on MVX test. So, anybody can order from my, my website.
And then by law, I have to reach out and say, "Hey, do you want some help with this?" Like, we have to reach out to you.
What, uh, what's got you excited in the field of nutrition, health, uh, integrated medicine? Like, what, what's got you psyched about the future tomorrow?
The future. Um, I mean, MVX Plus without a doubt, 'cause that's it's going to change everything. Um, at Duke University, they tested MVX Plus and they had people exercise. It was a 6 months of exercise and they had a control group and mild exercise, moderate and heavy, and it didn't change MVX Plus. MVX did not improve their cellular function and longevity, which I know that already to be a true statement because number one, my grandmother died at 98 and she never exercised, and number two, it's not in my seven steps. If you're really gonna change your cellular physiology, you have to clean. You got to detox. Okay. That's interesting, right? So, the other thing at Duke is that they gave people statin drugs and they tested it with MVX Plus and it did not improve their longevity or their scores on MVX Plus. And again, I could have predicted that because statin drugs are not in the seven steps. So, that study would never, that'll never be published. But I know one of the researchers that was involved in that, and she told me, she goes, "Yeah, they'll never publish that one."
Uh, just, what with regard to the exercise, where would that fit in the whole protocol? That'd be more towards the optimization component.
No, not even that. Exercising. I got a bike. I go to the gym twice a week. I love to. I used to hate running, but now I love running. I love exercise. So, having said that, exercise is a way to feel better, and exercise is a way to express yourself in space. [laughter] You know what I mean? Like, it, it gets you out of the house and it can make you, you know, more flexible. And but with that study at Duke with the people exercising, they became more insulin sensitive and their glucose went down, and maybe even their blood pressure came down. But again, it didn't change their MVX because it's not deep enough. Because if you have parasites and heavy metals and chemicals in your body, and you're constipated, and your liver is not working, and your gallbladder's congested, exercise doesn't matter. You have to fix the body.
So, I see people that are so sick they can't exercise. If they do, they're in bed for a day or three days. I've seen that. So, exercise is not going to help them. So, you got to heal their body first, and then they can exercise, and then they feel better. So, that's one thing about Peter. He kept saying, "Exercise, you have to be able to perform feats like six pull-ups and 20 push-ups and you'll live longer." Absolutely not. That's not correct at all. You, and, and he, it's like, I, I see people who are so sick, they just can't exercise. So, then I get them better with diet and supplements alone. Now they can exercise, and it can take a year, and now they can start to exercise. See what I'm saying?
I guess, yeah, from a very high level, metabolic syndrome is basically inflammation. Like, that's the common denominator. And if you are so inflamed that adding acute inflammation in the form of exercise, like, that's, that's probably going to be counterproductive until you fix the underlying issues.
For sure.
Yeah. That's the, that's a way to, that's a good way to say it. Yeah. Makes total sense. Awesome, man. Well, I, I've learned a ton. I feel like we could probably go another two hours on this podcast, but, uh, let's just do a follow-up round, too. Where do people go to find out more about you in the meantime, man?
Well, for patients, my website is thenhca.com, which stands for the Nutritional Healing Center Ann Arbor. And then for doctors, I got nvxtraining.com. So, you can learn how to use MVX Plus and how to improve people's health. And then you can verify that you're actually that what you're doing is actually working, and then it helps guide you down the right path. And then the patients are also held accountable, and MVX Plus will show that their diet's bad or, you know, like, so, yeah, nvxtraining.com for doctors.
And you've also got a ton of resources on your YouTube channel. What is the, the channel name?
Um, my YouTube channel.
Mhm.
Yeah. It's my name, Darren Schmidt DC, or it's, um, RealFoodCures is my major social media handle. Real Food Cures.
Just out of curiosity, is kind of another side tangent here, but with you putting out content online, the whole YouTube algorithm, however that works, like, do you find people, like, is your exposure trending upward? Like, do you feel like more people are seeking out this information, or do you feel like they're moving elsewhere? Like, just a pulse on the society as a whole via your YouTube channel. Like, what are you seeing there?
With my content?
Mhm.
Um, it, my YouTube channel is stagnant. It was really flourishing up until June 4th of 2019, when they implemented the algorithm that is anti-anti-health. It's called the EAT algorithm. Have you heard about that?
No.
So, EAT stands for Expertise, Authoritativeness, and Trustworthiness. So, what that means is once they implemented it, all the medical doctors got elevated, and anybody that talks about health, you know, real healthcare, alternative healthcare, health improvement, they got squashed. So, the algorithm has been reimplemented multiple times since 2019. So, 2022, and then, uh, fall of 2025. So, I think that's been harming. It's definitely harmed my pract, my, not my practice, but my, uh, YouTube channel. So, having said that, it depends on the platform also. So, I've been doing short-form videos, and they've taken off on my Facebook page. So, my Facebook went from 15,000 followers to 95,000 followers in about 7 months. But then my TikTok channel got permanently banned. Same content, same videos. This is about five weeks ago. My, I had 77 thou, 77,000 followers on TikTok, and that's permanently gone now. So, you know, it depends on the audience, right? Depends on
That's why you got to have an email list, right? You got to have an email list because you got to communicate people outside of the the big conglomerates that can deplatform you, right? And change the algorithms and
Yeah.
That's crazy, man.
It's odd.
Well, keep doing what you're doing. Keep fighting the good fight for sure. I'm, like I said, I'm, I'm going to be diving into your YouTube content for sure.
Check out the blood marker test on LabCorp. Uh, 'cause I'm curious. I don't know that I want to see what parasites come out of me, but I probably, I'm, I'm a curious type, so I probably will just the same. But yeah, man. I, I do appreciate what you're doing and all the information you're putting out there for sure.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you. Until next time, take care. I'll see you at Meatstock next year, hopefully.
Yeah, sounds good.