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Tate became the most viral person on the internet. Uh, him and I were speaking when he got out of jail, and you know, they're now on house arrest. And we're having a conversation about when I was in jail, I focused on doing push-ups and reading the Quran. Some of the things that's going on, uh, he went from evolve from being a guy that was an atheist as a young guy coming up, okay? Then he started seeing what the Christian, you know, Christian denomination was doing and what they stood for. Said, these are interesting principles, kind of welcomed it. Then he partially lost respect in the Christian religion, the denomination that started compromising and saying, yeah, we'll accept this, we'll accept that, we'll accept this. What about this? And then he says, the only religion that seems to not break when it comes down to their values is Muslim. And then he went and became a Muslim, and that's what he supports now.
That may be extreme to you, but the part that when I talked to a lot of the youngins who are following him and following what he's saying, that argument is a good argument to say, if you are going to be conservative, if you are going to be a Christian, well, your church is starting to say, yeah, it's okay. Pope, it's okay. You can come in as long as you bring money, you can come in, and you can come in. Versus the Muslims saying, hey, you can't.
So, what, what do you say to the criticism the West is getting by a lot of people saying the West is no longer what it once was and it's past the tipping point, meaning there's no longer a saving of the West? What do you say?
The first part, you're probably right. I mean, we're in a complete terminal decline, and it's hard to disagree with that. A moral decline, economic decline, financial decline, fiscal decline. I don't think we're past the tipping point. To the Andrew Tate part, I think that's a bad reason to convert to Islam. I don't think that's a good reason to convert to Islam, but because there's plenty of uncompromising Christian churches. But generally, yes, it is true that a lot of Christian denominations are becoming more like the world than not following the word. Happy to talk more about that if you want. But that, that is the question is where is the West? And you kind of gotta have to take a pulse. There's plenty of reasons for optimism. I'm seeing a kind of renewed sense of patriotism in certain sects. I'm seeing what we're doing at Turning Point USA. I'm seeing parents get more involved in school boards. At the same time, we're living through Nietzsche predicted in the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s, where he did not proclaim it, but he stated God is dead. And the next, and again, that's it's misquoted because people think he was celebrating the death of God. He was not. What he, he was saying is that, hey, you in the West, if you are going to replace God with consumerism and the Industrial Revolution and hyper individualism, be careful what's going to take its place. And we're kind of living through the kind of mixture of synthetic worldviews that take its place when Christianity or a cogent Western morality, uh, deteriorates.
So, what do I say to the compromising Christians? Well, stop compromising. And then I, I wouldn't also necessarily say that Islam is attractive as a substitute of that, but I'm happy to explore that. It's not about, it's not about the substitute of that because they, uh, there's some stats we looked at a couple months ago on a podcast. We had this guy that was talking about how deep, you know, underpopulation is the problem, not overpopulation, how the world can handle. And, you know, and then we looked up the numbers on the podcast and we saw, I'm going to be wrong by a couple percentage points, but pretty close within a couple percent. Out of a hundred people that are born in the world, 33 were Christians, 31 were Muslims. But out of a hundred people that die in the world, 32 were Christians, only 10 were Muslims. Which means the young, you know, Muslims are having more kids and they're a lot younger, which means by 2035, the world will be led by Muslims, having more Muslims in the world than Christians.
And why do you think that message? Because a lot of times you see that message and all you think about is, well, the first thing we think about is a Muslim extremist. I mean, every Muslim is a Muslim extremist, which is not. It's a smaller sect of the majority. But if, if the messaging, what are they doing that they're messaging is more attractive? Were NBA players, football players, Hollywood? Some people are starting to say, well, I'm kind of going to lean towards this then Christianity today. I don't think we have to speculate. I don't know if you have Cassius Clay up there, which was his name before Muhammad Ali, yes? Or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar up there? Yeah. The idea of man, Dave Chappelle, by the way. Yeah. Dave Chappelle, is he? Is he? I believe so. Is that right? I didn't know that. Tyson? What? Tyson? Yeah. The idea, especially black men being drawn to the Muslim faith, is not new because it really does, it's unapologetic in the patriarchy, right? So in a hyper-feminist world, it seems attractive. And again, I mean, Malcolm X wrote extensively about this. I, I mean, I don't subscribe to a lot of the appeal of it because Islam is not true in my worldview, but that's, we could discuss that. I don't think it's actually useful of our time today. But you're, you're hitting on something really important, Patrick. In a world that has gone mad in chaos, people, you're in for order now. You could be too far in the order direction, which I think Islam goes too far. I do not want to live in a theocratic fascist country. I like how freedom of speech. I like having dialogue. I like private property rights. I like entrepreneurship. That's why I think the West is the best because you balance order with spontaneity and unpredictability. If you just want order, you can live in Saudi Arabia, but that's not a free society.