Kissa Sins on Marrying Johnny Sins, Hooking Up with Adam, New B**bs & More

No jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today, I'm doing an interview with Kisses Sins. And, uh, as we were just discussing, the circumstances are kind of unfortunate. Yeah. Supposed to be secondary, right? Yeah. So, uh, we were supposed to be filming an episode of Plug Talk today. I know that my, my girl has been looking forward to working with you for a long time. She likes you a lot. I personally, I was excited to do the scene as well. Seeing you right now, you look better than the last time I've seen you too. So, you know, I feel like if anything, you're improving in value. But then my girl used some makeup cream. Is that what happened? Yes. And now her whole face has exploded. She looks like a, you know, I'm not even gonna say it, but she does not look like the prior ethnicity that she was. She kind of looks like the Elephant Man. I'm not gonna lie. It's pretty bad. So she's still cute though. She is so cute. Yeah, I'm gonna give her that for sure. But, and actually, to be fair, today her face is starting to look normal. She kind of looks like a human being again today. What are you doing tonight? Late night? I don't know. She might not be down anyway. Um, I'm excited to have you here. Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. And I'm glad that you wore like a thumbnail friendly shirt because I've watched some other interviews with you where you were wearing like a hoodie. Yeah. And I was just kind of thinking like, come on, like, do you, you want this to not get views or do you, you know, like wear a good shirt? A good shirt, it'll take you far when it comes to views. Yeah, clickbait, man. And but honestly though, if you wear like a, a crazy enough shirt, YouTube might not like, might not make any money off this. It's like a good compromise. I honestly think it's pretty solid. Nicolette Shay, I couldn't get that one monetized. Yeah, well, I could have actually. She's gotta want it. She's just people. She knows it. They're too big. Like the thumbnail. Like they just, they couldn't even fathom. Yeah, we have nice boobs too. So what are they calling? Moobs? They look good in that. Um, yeah, no, actually, it's my second Jesus shirt in two days. Like I had a package from some other company yesterday and I had like a Jesus shirt and so I wore it. And then I opened up another package today from Half Evil and boom, and another Jesus shirt. You seem really religious at all? Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. I was actually just thinking about how because there's like an older poker pro that I was thinking about interviewing and I was thinking maybe I would put makeup over the upside down cross on my face. Maybe I just think he would probably like, I think that that could ruin the interview if he were to see that. I think it's cool. I think it's my favorite tattoo of yours. Is it? Yeah. It's bad. Well, you haven't seen me naked. Or I guess you've probably heard. They have I sucked your dick before. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. To be fair, before it seems like too cool that I don't remember that. All right. That I did. Yeah. You're so. But it was like 40 seconds. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's true. It was like very brief. It doesn't count. Does it count? Oh, yeah. Because I remember thinking like, damn, because I was like brand new to, yeah, you know, I had been hanging out with some porn girls for a while, but I was like, really in it. And I'm like, wow, I just got like a quick kiss blow job in this apartment. That's crazy. I didn't even nut or anything. I don't know. It must have been painful driving home after that. All right, let's do a little bit of the early days. Where are you from? Tell me about your early life. Um, I'm from Pasadena, California. Oh, okay. I was born in, I was not until I was about 12. Um, well, that's what I said. It's like, I moved to Canada when I was young and lived there for until I was 12. And then I was a horrible child, so I got sent back to California to live with my dad. Okay. So it was like a divorce situation. Horrible. How? Like, I was just the worst. Like, I did acid and like got all my tattoos and I was like 13 and I was just a crazy [ __ ]. And well, there's a lot of abuse. Like, I don't know if you want to get into that sad part, but like, there's a lot of abuse as a childhood. So then once I was 13 and I found drugs, I was just like, [ __ ] this. I'm like, sick. Really? So I just did drugs. But so you discovered those in Canada or when you got back to California? As soon as I got sent to California, I did acid and all the things like my 13th year. And who was getting you into it? Just like your friends? Like, I always like to hang out with like the shitty people, you know, like the fun people, right? The bad guys. You were just interested in having a good time, basically. Is that how you characterize it? Yeah, like anything when you're doing something wrong, just feels like fun. And I like to have fun. I don't care what the consequences are. I had a lot of that in me as a kid too, for sure. And when I look at young people who are like focused on studying to get into a good college and they're doing sports and everything, and I'm just like, [ __ ] like, what is it in you that has made you just be so well-behaved and so focused when I couldn't bring myself to do anything when I was in high school besides like, exactly what I wanted. Yeah, well, that's great. It's [ __ ] great. Like, didn't we make it? We made it. Yeah, it worked out for us. But like most people, like my mom used to always tell me, she goes, Adam, you're going to end up in prison. Just snap into prison. No, but just based on my mentality, she was just like, this is like, this work. This is not how the world works. Like, you're going to have to do things you don't want to do. She was wrong. As a person who owns a business, yes, there are a lot of things you're going to do that you don't really want to do in the moment. That's true. I guess that's like a pure adult star. Yeah, there's less of that. Well, no, that's not true. Yeah, that's because you got to show up and do it. But still, no matter what, still [ __ ] the government. Big anarchy sign on my face. All right, so 13, you start getting crazy with drugs and everything. And then what? And then I was like, in and out of juvenile hall. Um, I got my nickname Coyote. You know, it's like my Instagram handle, all my stuff. When I was in juvie, right? They're just like, a little [ __ ]. Why they call you that? Were you running people back and forth from the border? That's what everyone thinks. But no, it was because I guess they like little Mexican gangsters in juvie named me that because I could either run with a pack and like blend in with a bunch of people and be really social, but I'm really actually an introvert. Like, and coyotes are like that. They're solitary animals, but then they're like pack animals too. I feel like that's a very intricate nickname to get in juvie. I feel like in juvie, it's more like you have a scar on your face, so they call you Scarface, or like you're short, so they call you Shorty. Yeah, that's a pretty deep nickname. Yeah, it's good. What is your ethnicity? Um, I'm Russian and Italian. I'm sorry. But did, were the Mexican kids like kind of claiming you as one of their own? Yeah, I hang with a lot of Mexicans like growing up and like I grew up in San Fernando Valley in California. Okay. Just like a lot of ex kids. And yeah, right. Okay. So what were you getting into juvie though for? Um, first for just running away and like stupid [ __ ]. And then like possession and GTA and stuff. You're stealing cars? Well, like your parents' cars or random. First car that I ever [ __ ] up on, it was a mistake. I bought, I bought a stolen car by mistake because I was fit. You know, when you're 15 and a half, you could get your driver's permit. And I was like, brand new and stupid on drugs. And I bought a Acura Integra, '91 Acura Integra. For how much? For like, I don't even remember. But I thought I didn't have any money. Uh, it was saved up. No, I wasn't that bad. Like, it was not that bad. But then I got pulled over and, um, it was stolen. And he had like, faked the pink slip or whatever you call it, right? But then I had like drugs on me. So then I went to jail for that. Yeah, that's a really good way to get ripped off. These days, even now, like if you, if some, someone will hit you up if you're selling your car online or whatever, and they'll come and they'll give you a cashier's check. And then the cashier's check is fake or some [ __ ] like that. Like people still get got like that constantly. Still. Oh, yeah. I'm not the only student. No, I watched the whole YouTube video about this guy. I know who got got like that. Like somebody came all the way to his house, acted like befriended him, all this [ __ ]. And then it was all [ __ ]. Yeah, just took the car. Well, imagine how happy that guy was. A 15-year-old idiot showed up. He was like, yes, this is. Yeah, like they're never gonna pick me up for what I'm doing here. Were you having boyfriends all through high school and stuff? What was your dating life like? Um, I had a long-term boyfriend from like 15 till 21. Oh, wow. So I actually wasn't a [ __ ] until I got into porn. And he was a great guy. What kind of guy? He was a cool dude. Well, I mean, he was a bad boy, but. And we got into a lot of trouble together, but we still talk like ever since. And he was, he really loved me. We loved each other. It was like our first. So you don't have a bad review of your boyfriend that you had when you were 15, which is usually, usually people's review of their 15-year-old boyfriend is pretty bad. No, I've actually had really good. I've only had one kind of shitty boyfriend, but he wasn't that shitty. He was just whatever. I've had a really good. I don't know. I, I seem to to find good people in my life despite all odds. I think part of it is because they want to bang you. Well, maybe that's work for me. They want to bang you so bad that they become a better version of themselves. It'll work. I'll take it. Okay, so then what do you, what do you graduate high school? No, absolutely not. Okay. I only finished freshman year. Okay. And then what are you doing? You're just running around like in the streets. What were you doing then? I became a raver. I was a raver for a really long time and just went to festivals and had fun and just like what you were saying, like just doing exactly what the [ __ ] I wanted all the time. And it always worked out. I did always have a job. I'm a very good worker, you know. Um, just fight all the other stuff. What kind of work were you doing? Um, my first job, I was a manager at Togo's. Remember Togo's? The sandwich. Oh, yeah, yeah. I still see it, right? Yeah. It's like a Subway service. I've never been there or thought about going there, to be honest. Well, I don't, I'm not sponsored. That's a chain though that like, you move from the East Coast and you see it and you're just like, no. Yeah, I'm just never gonna find out what they have to offer. Yeah. And I was a manager at 16. So if that tells you anything. Wow. Um, okay, can we get the AC up a little bit soon? It's not. Honey, it is high. Um, okay, so when you were raving, what was the actual lifestyle like? Um, basically like Thursday, Friday, Saturdays, and then sometimes Sunday in San Diego. We would just go and do like lots of ecstasy, right? And just stay up all night. Just actually. Are you mixing with other drugs? Um, I used to cook ketamine. Oh, wow. No, no, you actually. I know a guy. Yeah, we used to cook it. Like, I don't know why we would. We'd go down to TJ and get these like vials of, um, the K we liked is called Anisket because you can just buy it from the farm. And then you'd go home and cook it and it would turn into this much ketamine. And then you could sell it for like $20 a bump at a rave. So we were just, it was fun. And it's like, how inexpensive is it in Mexico? $10 for a vial. And then those vials, so you could like, $100 or $200 extra money. Who knows? Yeah. And we didn't keep track of any of things we're all doing it as well. But we made a [ __ ] ton of money. Wow. Yeah, because whenever like, I was just in Tulum a couple, maybe a year or so ago, and I seen like testosterone, Valium, like all the pain pills, like all the pharmacies just list off everything they have. Yeah. I didn't see ketamine. Yeah, maybe they got that under control. I don't know. I don't know anywhere. So was there ever like an abrupt stop to the raving life or were you just walling out? I guess when I sort of, when I got into porn, I guess is when like I stopped because I couldn't be on drugs and then look good the next day. And I guess that's kind of that kind of got got it out of it. Porn was actually really good for me. That's interesting because so many people think like whenever I'm talking to random people, they think that porn is just like everybody getting [ __ ] up and filming. And I'm like, I'm sure there are girls who are [ __ ] up on set. But and I think I can think of like one or two times where I suspected that the girl might have been on something. Yeah. But for the most part, no, because when you're on drugs, you can kind of tell. Like if I'm not into it, if I'm watching a girl get [ __ ] off Xanax, a not good for the scene. And B, I'm 100% gonna know. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So that's just dangerous. Yeah, I think it is like a positive thing. Yeah, I can't even smoke weed before a scene. I don't know. I'm a stoner, but I can't like, I'll just be all giggly and [ __ ] weird. One of the only times that I had a hard time getting hard was because I [ __ ] faced a blunt with the girl right before the scene. You're like, you want to just like eat snacks? No, I just like my [ __ ] dick just didn't really seem like it was working. I got it done, but it wasn't, it wasn't easy. And normally it's really easy. So that was traumatizing. Um, okay, so are you getting into porn though? The tale goes that you just emailed Johnny or messaged Johnny Sims out of the middle of nowhere. How did this go? Okay, so I was with a long-term boyfriend at the time. I'm a long-term relationship person. And I had just gotten out of it. And I really wanted to bang someone. But I was like, he was my third boyfriend. So the third person I ever slept with. So, um, I just wanted to [ __ ] someone. But I wanted it to be like a good dick. Like I didn't want to waste it on like a little one or like, I don't know. I used to think that like dicks would like be stinky or something. Some are. You're all the time. I don't know what I thought. So I wanted to like have a good quality dick if I was gonna do it, you know? And I was on Instagram like back before DMs even like this is home. Because I heard it was in the comments. Yes, on an Instagram post that you guys were going back and forth. Yeah. So I was like, I remember that too. When you'd be trying to holler at a girl and like praying they don't see your phone number in the [ __ ] comment. Yeah, like everyone could see. Yeah, including your girlfriend. That was real. But so you, you just figured this is the guy. Which I actually think is really smart because a lot of girls don't know what it's like to get like really high quality dicks. Yeah, well, they get railed properly. And if you want a 100% guarantee, then you might want to dip into the porn industry because these are people who do this for a living. Yeah. And like, I didn't know. I didn't know people's names back then. But I recognized him as the bald browsers guy. Like I was like, I know that guy. Right. And so I hit him up and tried to have my first one-night stand. And I like slept over. Like inseparable ever since. We went to Mexico for six weeks, like a month later. So it's just immediately you guys hit it off like crazy. Yeah, because we're so opposite. You know, like if he was here, he'll be super shy. He's really quiet. He's like a nice guy. And I have not. Because a while back, I remember watching you guys on Logan Paul and I was so stoned. Okay. You were stoned. I had taken like, like no, not a thousand, maybe milligrams of edibles before because I didn't really want to go on that pocket. Sorry for saying that. Sorry, Logan. Sorry. I'm sure he's probably, I don't know. I just took a bunch of. I was just like, but you're one of the few porn stars that made it through before they stopped interviewing porn stars because they don't do it anymore. I heard. I don't know if I said anything. [Laughter] I remember watching it and like my interaction with you was like, hey, this like 40-second blow job. And then I remember seeing you at the, uh, the expo one time at the AVNs and you were like, super full of life and energy. So, so when I think about that time I saw you and the 40-second blow job, tons of energy, super like charismatic. I immediately was like, oh, I could totally tell why there was a big name in porn. Because a lot of times it's like, the looks is one thing, but the personality will really be what like possible. 100%. But then I watched that episode and I'm kind of like, hey, I'm not seeing that energy that I was talking about. And B, her and Johnny seem like a weird fit in this episode. Like, I'm baffled that this relationship works out. Did anyone else say anything? Yeah, everyone said something. Okay. All the comments were like, what is she on? And I'm just like, right. I mean, I had fun. But okay, like right when you meet him, like what, what would you say are the things that brought your personality together? Because my observation of him, he seems like an incredibly nice guy. Yeah, he seems like kind of a simple guy. Like he doesn't, he's not like voicing crazy opinions left and right. He seems really happy. Yeah, he seems very content. Yeah, he's very, very, very chill. Yeah, very chill. But and when we first met, like I thought that he was going to be, I guess I had a like a preconceived thing of porn stars, especially porn men, that he was going to be like arrogant. I don't know what I thought. I was wrong. But I was a total newbie. I didn't even know what webcamming was. Like, I was a prude. Johnny was the fifth person I ever had sex with. Wow. And then, yeah. And was it everything you hoped for in terms of? Yeah, yeah. A great hurting. I remember that my [ __ ] looked like a baseball at the end. Like I had gone to the bathroom and like the [ __ ] lips on the inside swelled swelled up so much that like there was no hole left. And the outside was like, it looked like a baseball. And I was like, yay, this is what I finally, I guess. Yeah, this size baseball in like the fatness? Or are you also talking about like the red stitching? Like, I don't know. You couldn't even see it. It looked like a [ __ ] monster. But was his dick that much bigger than all the other dicks you'd encounter in your life? Um, well, my first boyfriend, that other guy, he had a big dick too. But like, not only does Johnny have a big dick, but he'll like rock your ass out, you know? And I was like, a civilian girl. So I think that he really like was like extra trying because I know some girls have shot with him fairly recently. And I just saw that they uploaded the video to Twitter. And it's like, hour and 45 minutes scene of me and so-and-so and Johnny Sins. And I'm just like, I like, if me and Lennis shoot a scene with a girl and it takes 35 minutes, we think of that as a long time. That's a long time. Yeah, I mean, that's like a nice song. That's a good sexual experience. Hour and 45 minutes. I'm like, holy [ __ ], you're insatiable. Like, he, you know what it is? It's, I feel like certain porn guys, they really want to get, not their money's worth, but like their time is worth. Like, if I drove here and I showed up, we're just gonna get two hours of footage. Like, why would I drive all the way here to get a half hour footage when I get two hours of footage? Exactly. And I wonder sometimes, like, do the fans want two hours of footage? I don't really know. I don't know either. When I watch porn, I skip ahead like crazy. Like, I just basically, it's just like, whenever girls are talking about like their porn skits in front of my face, I want to laugh at them. I'm like, like the intro. Oh, oh, I can't do this. I want to laugh in their face because I'm like, I've, no, I've been watching for my whole life. I've never seen one who's watching those. I don't know. Like Brazzers, people love those [ __ ] intros. But you think their fans love it though, right? They do. Yeah, they do. Because they're so interactive in the comments on bro. Like, bra, the Brazzers fans really run. Like Brazzers really listens to the fans because they're really interactive. Yeah, see, I don't want to like be presumptuous because to me, when I hear girls talking about like the acting problem, I'm like, are you [ __ ] kidding me? But yeah, but I mean, clearly it's the same thing with me. Like, I, I don't know why anyone would want to watch incest porn. Yeah, but it's huge. I gotta accept it. Like, okay, it is what it is. It's big. I've never heard anyone else say that. I'm not against it or anything, but I just don't like, I don't really want to [ __ ] my mom that bad. No, if that had never been suggested to me, I never would have even thought of it. Like, why the [ __ ] would I want to say that my family are actually the last people on earth I would want to have sex with for every reason imaginable. So many reasons. Some of them are male. Yeah. Some of them are elderly. Yeah. Their head's all bad. Yeah. I don't get it either. Yeah, I don't get it. But so, okay, you're in the bathroom staring at your face after getting my vagina after this two hours [ __ ]. Yeah. What are you thinking? And I was so happy. Like, I want more. Yeah, I'm so [ __ ] happy about it. And then I like slept over and like, we're just, that was it. What's the biggest differences between you guys personality-wise though? Um, probably everything. Like, we agree on like most things that the important things in a relationship, but he's very shy and very, you know, like you say, he's not opinionated. He's just like a go with the flow kind of guy. And he's a really good person. Let me ask you, is he shy in everything besides sex? Yeah. And that's where he sort of comes alive. That's his only time that he can like connect with other people. He, he doesn't have many friends in a way that like, he's just not interested in that type of stuff. So I think the way that he has human connection is with sex. And it's the only time that he's not nervous because they killed him because he knows he's a [ __ ] bob. He's got a big old dick. He knows this is the thing that he's better than damn near everybody else. That's my thing. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that because sometimes that's how I feel. The podcast [ __ ]. Like I'm really good at this. But then I'm in the bar and like people want to talk to me and I feel like this is the same [ __ ] thing I do on camera, but I don't know what the [ __ ] to say to you. Really? Yeah. Yeah, that's all that's so cute. So Johnny Sins is like, I could [ __ ] the [ __ ] out of you for four hours. But but the small talk? Yeah, I don't know. So weird. He's like, hi, nice to meet you. Right? Then he's like, oh, crazy. Wow. Yeah. So, okay, that was how it went in first. Like, how does it start to seem like, oh, we're actually in a relationship? We're not just [ __ ] one time? Um, I guess it kind of felt like that for us both immediately. Like, we were really inseparable after that. Really? Yeah. And that was almost 10 years ago. Wow. Yeah. And he was living in Hawaii at the time. Um, no, he was living in Northridge at the time. And I was in Pasadena. All right. And so do you guys end up moving in soon after? Yeah, we went to Mexico and then we moved. Um, I moved to Vegas because he was, I was still like a, like a prude girl. I was running restaurants and stuff. I used to be like a wedding planner. And, um, and he was, I was working like 70, 80 hours a week. And he was like, oh, yeah, I guess I'm going to [ __ ] off to Mexico for a month or I'm going to take this day off. Like, he had such a chill schedule that I was like, I'll never do porn. Like, I'm not, I didn't judge porn, but I was like, I could never. But after a while, I was like, uh, I should probably do porn because you have such a better schedule. So I moved to Vegas together because I was a stripper. Okay. Which I was awful at. And you wanted to keep stripping regardless of the porn thing? Um, well, I hadn't, I guess, sorry, I explained that wrong. Like, first, we, I went to Vegas to become a stripper as like a, I'm not gonna do porn, but I'll do this, you know? And then, um, it, I was the worst stripper that's ever lived. Why? Uh, because I, I'm more of like a dude. Like, I would, I would get there. First of all, I got the job and I had never put makeup on ever. So I had to like put all those eyelashes on and all this stuff. And then what I would usually do at the strip club is sit down and like have a, like a conversation like we're having. And like, I would buy my own drinks and then just sit there all night. It made me feel gross to be. I don't like the feeling of that. I don't think that I could go to a [ __ ] room and just have to be nice to people that I don't actually [ __ ] with. Yeah. And they're mean to you. And they're like, I was trying to like, I just felt gross and taken advantage of, I guess. Yeah. So I lost a lot of money. Okay. Um, but all right, so from early on, is there any level of jealousy with you and Johnny? Like you're like knowing that he's just going and filming with other girls, is that bothering you? Well, on average, Johnny says that he can count on one hand how many times I was jealous out of like, I don't know, he [ __ ] 30 girls a month for 10 years. So it's usually not a problem. But in the beginning, was it more of a problem or less of a problem? Yeah, the first time he ever went to work, I was, I was, I cried and it was sad. But then I processed it and it was just like a job. And I get it. And you know what it is? It really is that Johnny makes it the easiest it could possibly be. Like his reputation in the industry is that he's the most respectful guy. He never tries to get at the girls. He like comes in, he works on his laptop, he's really quiet. And so I guess his reputation helped me, you know, cause he didn't, it didn't feel scummy or sleazy. It felt like he was going to work. And that was him and he loved it. It probably helped that he was already doing it for a while before you met him too. So it's kind of like, oh, this is, this is how I fell in love with you. Yeah, I can't just like walk in and be like, can you change everything? Right? And then, and then it became hot. And then I became getting, um, I got close to some of the girls. And then that really became fun. Then I used to, used to send like notes with that with him for some of my favorite girls, you know, like, I love you, like, like, I hope he makes you come today, right? So then it made it fun. And then we started having threesomes. And then I really just got turned on. Had you hooked up with girls before this though? Yeah, I did. I had a girlfriend when I was, uh, 18. Okay. So I've always like, I might be gay still, right? So yeah. But then did you get like really enthusiastic about hooking up with him? Another chase? Yeah, like I [ __ ] love having threesomes. Like I just like devour women. And I really love women. The most. But I need a big dick as well, you know? So the dynamic of it. And so then it just became like this fun thing. Did you guys ever have a conversation early on of like, I'm [ __ ] other girls, but you're not [ __ ] anybody else? Um, well, at first, I was only [ __ ] Johnny, right? She was my only dick for three years. But did he mention that or was that just how it was? Well, at first, I wanted it to be like that because I like to feel like if I could have one good dick and one million girls, that would be my ideal like situation, basically. Like, that's all I really care about. So I liked being like, I like to be a good girl. Like I like that I was like his special one. And like, you go do whatever you want and stuff like that. But then after three years, and that's three years of you shooting porn with him as well, right? Yeah, for Brazzers and everything. Like I would only use him. And then after a few years, I got bored. Like I wanted to, you know, explore. So that's when I signed a deal with Jules Jordan. Was that a conversation with Johnny? Or? Yeah, it was a decision we made together. And was, did he have a hard time with it at all? Yeah, he regretted it after. Really? Yeah, because he thought, like logically, he thought, like, I feel like jealousy when you look at it really logically, makes notes. Like you're like, no, I get it. Like, you're going to work, it's fine. Like, logically, I get this. I trust you. But then sometimes jealousy just happens anyway, you know? Like, yeah, of course she was jealous. Because, all right, so from my perspective, as a person who's on a lot of porn sets, there is a weird dynamic about it where let's say you're my girlfriend and you're going to work and you just like literally walk into the room, boom, you do the scene, and then you walk out. That's not actually how it is. The guy, a lot of the guys, not all the guys, but a lot of guys are walking in the room and they're grabbing your ass and they're making out with you and smelling your hair. Which to their credit, this is from their perspective, this is how they get warmed up for the scene. It's like, you know, instead of just going straight into doggy style, you're gonna, you know, feel each other out and try to get comfortable with each other. A lot of times the guys are doing that, maybe not even for themselves, but because they want to just get the girl comfortable and stuff like that. And that's the stuff that all the little extras that the, you know, sucking the guy's dick for 20 minutes to get him hard because he's having a hard time. All that stuff is what I think, and he being in the industry, he knows all about that [ __ ]. There's no hiding it. He knows exactly how it is. Is that like some of the stuff that started to probably? Yeah, I think so. Interesting. And like, just coming home and just like destroyed because I'm also, Johnny's also like a very, like, nice, vanilla performer, you know? And I'm just not. Like, I'm a [ __ ] crazy [ __ ]. So I'd come home with like [ __ ] in my eyes and like, like I would take a shower and everything. I was respectful, but like, yeah, it was a lot. So like, oh, hi, honey. Like, it's interesting because I feel like if you're gonna be a porn boyfriend, you have to either be good at like compartmentalizing it and just putting it out of your head and not thinking about it, or you have to like it. Yeah. Yeah. Super into it. Right. There's some guys out there who if you come home and your [ __ ] vagina is leaking [ __ ], they're gonna be turned on by that. I wouldn't like that. Not a huge percentage of guys, I'm guessing, but there are guys who like that [ __ ]. Yeah, but you're totally right. Like, if if they're into it, then that's like the only safe time, you know? Like, they'll be jealousy unless you're like a cook. Yeah, you know? But I wouldn't want someone to want that. But were you guys like that in your private life too? Would you ever [ __ ] dudes together? Not that he would be [ __ ] dude. No, I've never even had a threesome with a guy with him. Really? He won't do. He's done one DP in his life, I think. And he won't even do like orgy scenes if there's another guy there unless he gets a girl and they get their girl. Like boy, boy, girl, girl, where like, imagine me and you, and then they were [ __ ], but we don't switch. Please, please leave me out of it. Laura's like, I've been doing this [ __ ] for all these years. I'm finally gonna put me in this scene with Josh. Okay. Okay. She's like, what do I do to you? She's like, I've been helping you for all these years and you're gonna make me [ __ ] Josh. Okay. On this topic, right? Yeah. Yeah. But okay, what do you think it is? You think he's just like very like gay phobic? Or is he just? That's 100% not his thing. It's not his thing. And I don't, he's not, he's definitely not gay phobic because he's, we've talked about it a lot where he almost wishes that he could be gay, you know? Like he's like, it's just so freeing. Like, you know, girls are so [ __ ] difficult to bang them. You have to court them and the whole thing. But like gay dudes have a lot of gay friends and they'll be on Grindr and it'll say like, oh, a guy wants to suck your dick 15 feet away. And they're just like looking. And then they go to the bathroom and they bang. So Johnny's really like jealous of that aspect. And when you think about that, monkey box makes perfect sense. No, but all right, I remember I, I one time I was with a girl, we're at the movies, we're in Long Beach. And we're, we're looking for like a bar though we can go get some drinks at afterwards, right? This is 10 plus years ago. And we, we see that there's a bar. We kind of like realize on the way that it's a gay bar. But it's like, whatever, I'm, I'm with you. We'll just go in and get some drinks or whatever. And we go in there and it's like almost closing time at a gay bar in downtown Long Beach. And these [ __ ] are in, I've seen orgy. I seen five hairy ass fat dudes in a conga line just dancing with it. I was like, what the [ __ ]? And just something about the energy. And it's like, I'm, I'm picking up on the energy as a person who's not trying to [ __ ] a dude. But I'm picking up on it. Like, I've never been in a room like this where there's so much mutual wanting to [ __ ] each other going on. Because my whole life, I've been going to bars and [ __ ] and it's like, you know, to to get a girl to give you her number is difficult. To get a girl that kiss you is like [ __ ] extremely difficult. All things concerned, never mind sex. You walk in the gay boy, these dudes are dying to [ __ ] each other. Yeah, it's a very different thing. And if all you care about is making money from porn, then of course you would want to be gay because there's just more work you could do. Yeah. [ __ ] yeah, yeah. They should have like a mental, like a brain surgery that turns you bisexual. That's a good idea. Johnny would sign up for that immediately. He would die though. He'd for sure. What if it [ __ ] up some other [ __ ] in your brain too? Like all of a sudden you don't like frosting anymore? I think he'd take it. Or like, it's a good deal. Yeah. [ __ ] frosting. Frosting. That's the thing you thought. I mean, just, just anything. Like, what if it just like crossed some other wires as well? I don't know. Um, okay, but so once, once you start shooting with other guys as well, um, were you like, like how many different experiences did you have with that? And like, I don't know, like, just what was different about shooting with these guys who don't really like know you or have a reason to treat you a certain way that it's like, you're kind of strangers in comparison? Yeah, it was really, it was really weird. My first couple scenes, like I signed with Jules, I signed a really big contract with Jules, so I got to pick everybody. And I knew a lot of the guys. But it was, it was really fun because it was a way to explore my sexuality and like, like be a crazy [ __ ]. But I also felt safe, you know, with the testing and there's other people in the room, so it's not quite awkward, you know? Like, I love when there's a camera when you bang, you know, because I feel like it's more comfortable. Like the pressure. I don't know. Do you mean like it's less? You like the camera? I like the camera. I don't think I would even know what the [ __ ] to do if there wasn't a camera at this point. Yeah, I haven't had an off-camera threesome in so long. And like, we might as well fill that. Like, like, yeah, because I feel kind of guilty when like the girl's sucking my dick and I see that the cameraman's like pointing the camera away, he's like changing a setting or something. And she's still sucking my dick. And I'm kind of like, all right, like if we're not doing this on camera, this is not right. I'm in a relationship. Oh, you're so cute. Yeah, I mean, you're such a good person. Just it just feels a little weird because I had to shoot one episode of Playtalk without Atlanta one time. Oh, how was that? I mean, it was fine. But are you only work with? Yeah, yeah. Which, which I really, you know, obviously being single, I'm sure is fine and dandy. But I don't know, like, I just feel like it's, it simplifies the whole thing. Yeah, it's funny, you know, like she's like my partner in it. I've never had to shoot without her besides that one time. And it just, I don't know, it was fine. It just felt, I don't know, I felt like I was cheating. It felt kind of weird. Like I enjoyed it, but knowing she didn't want to hear about it after. Oh, she didn't ask about it. Just kind of acted like it didn't happen. She's since had like conversations about it where she again acknowledges that she just kind of tried not to think about it. Oh, well, since, what I mean, it's like, she logically knows. Like, she logically knows, but jealousy just still creeps in. It doesn't matter. It's just such an internal, like, human, yeah, feeling. It's like tribal. Not tribal, because my girl used to get drunk when we have threesomes and then like, you know, some, something would set her off a little bit. She'd be yelling at the girl or something. No, not yelling at other girls, yelling at me, for sure. Yelling, just getting in her feels. That's, that's hard. Well, especially like, you think I'm gonna get drunk and that will make me comfortable. And then it's actually like, no, you get drunk and then you get like weird and more jealous about random things. You're crying and another thing. Yeah, you got a little bit of that. But then at a certain point, it's like, you know, just sort of like, I think it's like being like an assassin. Yeah, it's like, you get into the game, you kill your first person, it's probably tough. You killed 20 people, I mean, [ __ ], it's like, what's one more [ __ ]? It is. Yeah, that's why when people are like, oh, don't you feel bad about shooting with 19-year-old girls? I'm like, not if they shot with 20 [ __ ] dudes before me. I mean, it's like, she got gang banged. Yes. What's worse is gonna happen? Yeah, for sure. Um, okay, but so you kind of discover that you like doing all this other types of stuff. Did you ever have any regrets about going off and doing content with other guys when it did impact your relationship? Um, I mean, yeah, I guess to an extent, but like, Johnny even says that since he's met me, that I'm the most sexual person he's ever [ __ ], which is like a big compliment coming from him. So I think that I was destined to do porn, you know, and explore. And I felt bad, I guess, a little bit. But I, I put up with a lot. And yeah, it's, we're all good now. So I think it was worth it. Has the relationship been consistent this whole time? You guys ever take breaks? We took a break. Um, I moved, uh, two years. But we were still like talking all the time. It was mainly because I quit. Well, I didn't quit, but I took a break. And I went and traveled the world alone by myself because I was gonna do that right before I met Johnny. And then the one-night stand thing failed. So then I never went to do my world travel. So then once me and, once I was working with other guys, like I was living in Hollywood, he was living in Vegas. That's when we took a break. I traveled the world for a year. Um, came back. The pandemic. We were separated, but only because I was living in LA and then he was in Hawaii. He was in Vegas. Oh, okay. So you just didn't realize we listened to the toy twice. Once, um, a couple years ago, five years ago. And then we're back now. Maui. I bought a house, right? I mean, what is

Life like out there, I [ __ ] love it. I love it. So it's like a very good introvert life. Yeah, if I didn't have to constantly be dealing with people like on camera and [ __ ], I would love to [ __ ] live out there. Yeah, it's really fun. I would love to retire out there. If everyone I knew died, then I would definitely move out there. But as long as I have like connections with people, I feel like I just, I can't just go be alone out there. I don't know. It is hard. It is hard. It does get, it's kind of, well, I don't get lonely, but I, I import a lot of people, you know? You fly people out to film with. Yeah, or not even film with, but I really like it because like, I'll be alone for like a week or two, and then some of my friends like from all over the world, you know, from my travels will come for two weeks. So then I have, it's all chaotic and hectic and fun. And then they [ __ ] off and I get my alone time and then people come. So it's perfect, right? And I grow on my own food and I'm like one of those people. I grow mushrooms and like, oh, all my vegetables are a loser, right?

Does that bring you a lot of happiness though, at this point? Yeah, like all I want to do is cook and garden. Really? That gives you the most pleasure? Yeah, I cook all day. Have you made like a stupid amount of money with porn, so you feel comfortable just gardening? Okay. Yeah, kind of. Kind of do nothing, really. That's the danger of pornography. You might have [ __ ] enough at some point that it's kind of like, maybe I don't have to do this anymore. Yeah, and all the residuals and I'm totally enabled by that. But yeah, interesting.

Yeah, cause I watched a video that this guy made about uh, Johnny and you, and he's basically putting out this narrative that Johnny gave you your entire career, and that then you [ __ ] basically like betrayed him by shooting with other guys. And he even talks about being at a, an awards thing, and you walk in with Marcus Dupree, he's got his arm around you, and he's basically like using your relationship as a cautionary tale to explain why women, I mean, yeah, like basically like showing how if you're a man and you, and you give a woman too long of a leash, she's gonna [ __ ] you over, et cetera. Do you agree with that narrative? No, not at all. Like, first of all, I helped Johnny a lot. Like, Johnny did all his work himself, but I'm an SEO person and I'm really into marketing. And I started a blog when we first got together that had like a million viewers a month. The blog was doing that good. Yeah, I killed it. Forgotten era, because people just like forget how important blogs were at that time. Yeah, and it was hard. And like, I really painted Johnny in a different light that made people like, we created something together. And it, it's not that he wasn't popular, I'm not trying to take credit for it, but I helped the whole thing and we grew and blossomed together into this thing. And then we decided that I was gonna shoot with other guys. Like, come on. Also, at the same time, it's like he wanted me to make the money, right? Because what do I do after a while, you know? So I made all kinds of [ __ ] money and we grew together. I never betrayed him. People have this weird narrative. I like cheated on him. Even he's been like 10,000 girls since I've known him, but I know. Yeah, like, what the [ __ ]? But okay, people are so mean to me. When we took our break, they were bullying the [ __ ] out of me.

So the break was public? The break was public. People knew that you guys were taking time apart, but you never have to officially, life's online, but did you say we are broken up or do you say we're taking, we're taking a break? Okay, because we were always taking a break. It was never like, I think we always knew we were gonna get back together. Like, we texted every single day. We were just kind of doing it. I kind of feel like when you're with someone for 10 years and you take a break like that, but you still talk, it's like he's just giving me the freedom to go travel and like, let's do our thing, you know? We never lost touch with each other and I never cheated on him.

It seems like such a mature thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. To be able to say, listen, you do your thing for however long you need to do it, and then we'll reconvene and get back to our relationship. I mean, I feel like 99% of relationships aren't strong enough to be able to withhold, withstand that. Yeah, and yeah, and I think that that, that really made us stronger, you know? And it was fun because we both kind of wanted to do our own thing and go [ __ ] other people. And like, but we always were afraid that we'd lose each other. So then once we had that agreement, like, okay, you do your thing, I'll do my thing, but you're not mad, right? And we're like, no. But are you mad? Like, no. Like, okay, cool. So then it became, it's like, was really perfect to go travel and just do whatever, you know, and not worry. So yeah. But yeah, there was a horrible narrative about me, right? It was sad. Yeah.

So let me ask you this, when you guys are having that break, if he sees you on your Instagram story with that guy that he knows well, yeah, someone he's actually friends with, yeah, is that way different than him just seeing you with some random guy that you're shooting with? Um, probably. But I always, I don't really have like a big like amount of guys that I hang out with. I do [ __ ] male porn stars for like content, right? When I say hang out, I mean [ __ ] for content. Oh, yeah. No, he doesn't. I mean, unless he doesn't say anything. He's also very quiet and nice. So maybe he bottles some things up.

What about you though? You get, you see him with a hot new chick every day. Yeah. Did I ever get to you? Like, is it never really? Especially not now, right? Like 10 years, I'm like, oh, like [ __ ]. What if he was [ __ ] some super ugly chick? I'd get more. That would push you off. Like, Johnny, like you could do better than that, like for [ __ ] sake. Okay, but what if he's [ __ ] the hottest girl you've ever seen in your life, and in the back of your head, you're like, I could never measure up to her. She's so beautiful. Like, is that gonna, does that emotion potentially arise? Yeah, at the beginning, I used to have stuff like that because I would be like, at home and feel like he just came from this set with this perfect person. And and then as I got into porn and started shooting more, I realized that none of these girls are perfect. Like, like even the most perfect looking girl in line, you meet him, and they all have this, we all have our [ __ ] things, you know? Or I mean, it is like a girl, she might be a great person, she might be the hottest girl on earth, but if you don't get along, you don't get along. Yeah, you know? Like, and that's a huge factor. Like me and my girl have shot with girls where physically I thought they were smoking hot, like unbelievably hot. But then when we're talking about them later, my girl has zero percent jealousy because she knows that personality wise, I probably never want to talk to that girl again. Or at least like, you know, we're cool, but I'm not gonna [ __ ] call her or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And Johnny's really like that too. Like, Johnny always says he'd rather bang a five that's fun than a hundred that's, uh, like, oh, I'm too. Everything has to be perfect. And they're not. Not into the sex. So there's a lot of things that can make sex good or bad that I think are really underrated. Like, like the actual, like, the feel of the vagina is huge. Is it? Some girls don't just don't know how to move. Like, some girl, not even that they don't know how to move, but they don't have the right chemistry. It's like, you ever dance with somebody that you have a really bad, like chemistry with? Yeah. I've had sex like that plenty of times where it's like, you just can't figure out a flow. You're just trying to like, yeah, make it work. Like, I've had ones where like, all right, let's just say isolate porn down to just doggy style. Yeah. It's kind of like, if you're filming dolly style, either the guy needs to be pretty much still and the girl's backing it up onto it, or the girl is relatively still and the guy is [ __ ] her. And I've had girls in porn where it's like, they just so clearly did not get that at all. And I'm moving and they're moving and it's like, we're bumping into each other in the hall and it's just like, you can't get that rhythm. No. Yeah. And I'm like, this is the kind of thing that I'm standing here banging her for 10 minutes thinking about. And like, I, I just, I don't think most people have really like thought about sex to such an extent. But, you know, when you sleep with somebody, that sometimes it just isn't, it's not right. It's just not for you. It's like, and sometimes you sleep with somebody and it's like, wow, I could do, I could do that for 10 years. Yeah. Forever. Although you probably don't know at that time, but you could do it for 10 years. Yeah. Maybe not. But I don't know. I, you, we've never actually had sex, but when I have sex, I don't actually perform. I just have like this nerve problem thing that makes me just lose my mind, you know? So sometimes I am hard. Like, what you're saying, you're trying to like, if you were [ __ ] me and you had a good rhythm, I, and I get really into it, I'm still like, like I die, I'm dick, you know? But then it's fun because then I still have rhythm and we can like get at it together, you know? Then that's when you have real chemistry to me. Yeah. You're both moving around, you're just like so into it. Yeah. I know because you're right, what you're describing that works too, is like, and that's the other thing too, is like, a lot of times you'll be going in and out, and then she's kind of moving side to side or there, because there's things that happen in porn that don't really happen in the outside world. Like [ __ ] a girl and then she's going out of her way to shake her ass. Yeah, that's like, that's like rap music video [ __ ] like it's just, it's not something someone would really do. They're not. But it's, it's clearly so focused, you know? It's like, when you look at Instagram and you see the girls who make videos just shaking their boobs the whole time, and that that would not exist if it wasn't for the fact that that does good on Instagram. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's just kind of amazing. Like, look at, look at what we've allowed these social media companies to do to us. I know. Yeah.

Um, speaking of boobs, yeah, yours have got a lot bigger. Yeah. Do you like them? Yes, I do. Um, when do you do that? Um, I got my first boob job right before I, I went world traveling. And then I just got them bigger again because I had to wait because I'm really small this way, so I couldn't stay, I couldn't take the biggest implant I wanted. Okay. So these are 550s now. And you love it? Oh, sorry. I'm on YouTube. That's fine. They're my favorite things ever. I'll be having a bad day and I'll look in the mirror, I'm like, goddamn. I masturbate to them. I could see that. Yeah, I like that. That's really funny. You ever think about how weird it is that like we as human beings are that easily fooled by something that's been embedded into your body by a surgeon? Yeah, sometimes. Like, I think about weird [ __ ] like that and I go in town to like a weird rabbit hole. Like, what are even noses and like, why are there some nice looking noses? Like, what the [ __ ] does that mean? Why is that? I don't care. Somebody told me get a no nose job in the comments the other day and I was like, I've never even considered the fact that now you're gonna do that. Like, I'm not gonna do that, but wow, you just gave me something to think about because I've never even looked at another dude's nose and thought like, oh, he's got a nice nose. Yeah, it's like weird. Yeah. But yeah, but I love them. Yeah, they're my favorite. But then that trips me out too, is that there's some girls I'll look at who have like, you know, fake tits that are like this big, and it just looks stupid to me. And I could never imagine thinking of it as like a hot thing. Yeah. And then meanwhile, I look at yours and I'm like, oh, those are hot, even though it's exactly the same thing. It's just a reasonable size. Yeah, they're reasonable. And they're also squishy. And like, I had big tits to begin with. That was a big C at first. Oh, okay. I don't know what size I am anymore, really. Because I was a double D, but then I don't know where I go.

But are your fans pissed at all? No. I thought that they like get married to your original look and they don't want to change it up. I feel like guys are always like, no, don't do it. And then you do it and they're like, oh, sit. Like, they don't, they don't know what it's gonna look like. And also, in their defense, I think that maybe 10% of boob jobs look good. Like, I think that sometimes they're just weird. It wasn't the right shape. It was a bad doctor. So I think that a lot of times fans don't want you to [ __ ] things up if you already have nice tits because why are you like, don't touch them, you know? Yeah. But I waited until I waited. So I was 30.

It's, I'm sure the amount of attention you get just walking around is way different. Um, yeah, but I don't. Johnny always tells me this, I really don't notice. You don't notice? I don't know. Where you're just, your head's in the clouds. You're not. Yeah. I think that everyone's being nice to me. I think I don't know. Somebody's like, hi to everybody. So if they look at my tits, that you know, right? So I don't know. Interesting.

Would you ever go the BBL route like people talk about, or you're too small? My ass is like my money maker, you know? So I'm afraid. You're scared to toy with it? Yeah. And I can control the size of my ass. Like, I fluctuate a lot. If I just gain weight and work out, I have a big old donk. So right. Or I can be thin and whatever. So yeah. Interesting.

So are you still stoked on shooting for mainstream companies, or you transition to doing a lot of OnlyFans? Um, I really haven't shot in the last couple of years. Um, I'm here, I'm going to shoot for, I shoot like off and on for browsers, not really, not really. I don't really like it that much anymore doing the mainstream stuff. But I've always really loved porn. Like, I'm a porn fan as far as, like, I really enjoy it. I have fun on set. I really like the people. So I have nothing negative to say about porn after nine years in it, right?

What is it that makes you not like it so much then? I guess I'm just like, live in Hawaii now, you know? And you just get comfortable. And like, I have all my animals over there. And I just, it's just long days. OnlyFans are so fun. So you just show up, you bang your friends, you go home. It's like, it's a, it's a chiller experience. Yeah. And you get paid so much [ __ ] more. Like, I can't imagine how much money I've made these companies over the years, you know? But I'm not, not stoked about it because it's a promotion, right? Yeah. It's good promotion. That's what I, yeah. Like, you know, Brazil's contract girl, at least I'm like out there. And then my OnlyFans, I had to tell a girl that the other day because she told me how much she was getting offered by a mainstream company to shoot from. And I was just like, listen, I know it ain't that much, but I, I listed like a few different girls. Like, Emily Willis, yeah, she's huge. Yeah. I mean, she didn't get huge by accident. And I'm not denying that she probably would be pretty [ __ ] big on her own if she had never [ __ ] with a porn company. Yeah. But like, the porn companies blew the [ __ ] up hella fast by using their huge social platform to promote her. Yeah. That's the whole point, you know? Like, that [ __ ] thousand bucks they're paying you, I know it doesn't seem like much compared to your OnlyFans money. Yeah, but if they're even just gonna post you on Instagram and Twitter a couple of times, never mind the people who pay to see their content. I mean, it's like, it's a marketing plan. Biggest promotional opportunity you could get. Yeah. You would pay for that marketing. Yeah. And you're gonna get paid. All you gotta do is get [ __ ]. Yeah. One time. What are we talking about? Yeah.

Now, there's also the question of overexposing yourself. There are some girls on OnlyFans who do really, really good. And you head on over to PornHub and you search the name and you can't find [ __ ]. Which to me, as a porn consumer, I feel like I'm pretty logical. Like, I'm, I don't bootleg stuff. I just never got into that. I know some people do that. But if a girl has like, really great quality, professional [ __ ] for free on the tube sites, that makes me a little less likely to want to cop the OnlyFans. Yeah. Well, yeah, of course, that makes sense. But so that, that's an interesting like concept. It's like, is a girl better off flooding PornHub with her content so that she just gets more viewers, or is she smarter to keep her content that's on there? It's kind of limited. Yeah. But you make, I make a lot of money on PornHub. Yeah, that's true too. Once you've built up a catalog. Yeah. Until that whole drama, I don't know what's happening with that. Oh, well, you pulled out. No, with the PornHub drama and what, in terms of them having all that, you're not talking about, but are you, you're referring to like them having all this stuff with minors on the site? Yeah. Yeah. That whole, that small thing. No, yeah, that's a big thing. But when we signed up for it with PlugTalk, I'm pretty sure it was really easy to sign up before. And I'm pretty sure it's really [ __ ] hard now. Yeah, because it's, what to be in the model program? Yeah, because like, I think that you guys would be fine. No, we got it. But it just took us a while because I feel like they make you upload a shitload of documents. Which, to be fair, listen, if you run a [ __ ] porn site where people are allowed to upload whatever, I mean, no, that's how it's been, right? Yeah. And that just seems insane to me. Of course, there's gonna be [ __ ] children on there. Of course, people are gonna do this. Yeah. I know. How could you not have thought about that? And I know that like, because accepting any kind of liability for the content is on there, that is kind of sets up the snowball of you eventually being held liable in court. But to me, it's like, if I own a [ __ ] porn site, the number one thing that we got to do is make sure that we have an age verification process and that there's nobody getting raped or that there's not revenge porn. You know? But like, it's like, porn, like YouTube is the same way though. Like, remember the Adpocalypse on on YouTube when Nike was like running like running ads on like some awful like hate crime or something, and then everyone pulled out. It's the same thing. Like, how, I don't understand. And I'm not saying I agree with PornHub. I just, having a conversation, like, how could they ever vet like, how could they ever go through like, how many videos are really uploaded to PornHub or to YouTube? But that's the thing with OnlyFans is like, you have to tag every single person that's in every single video. Yeah. Which to me, that kind of, that solves the problem, right? Yeah. If you can have an account and all that, mostly solves the problem. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, even the Adpocalypse was [ __ ] [ __ ] because they had one song that had like the N-word in the title that was had like an Adidas ad on it or Nike ad or some [ __ ]. And like, these journalists were able to present this as if this was a huge problem. And I know for me personally, it like took my income down by like 90% of that. Oh, yeah. Oh, I got it tanked. Because you, you were on YouTube at the time as well. Yeah. And I, we're on YouTube at the same time, but we never were monetized. But I'm just a huge, I love YouTube. And like, that whole thing, like I remember when PewDiePie got in trouble for that whole [ __ ] that whole thing. That that hurt the Adpocalypse too, I feel like. But is it back? Or you make like, is it back? That's good. Yeah, it's, it's solid again for sure. There was a few years there was really rough. But I, I mean, I always just count myself as being super lucky because like, I've interviewed YouTubers who basically make like approximately the same content that we do, who have terrible luck with monetization. So I [ __ ] thank God. Yeah. Good for you. I don't believe in God, but that's good. Thank whoever you think. You don't really say in my Jesus shirt and the devil is, I think on the shirt as well. So that's pretty cool.

Um, all right, so in terms of like, where you're at in your life, I mean, you're somebody who, you've embraced the social media side of things and everything. Like, where do you see your career going? And what are you excited about in terms of the whole adult world, or outside of it? Um, I want to start, well, besides adult stuff, I want to start a cooking show. And then me and Johnny are working on a really, really, really exciting NFT project. Really? Like a suit? I don't know if that's, if you're to that or anything. But yeah, it's kind of gonna be like a Bored Ape style PFP project, but with Johnny. And I have a, um, I'm the project manager and I have a DC Marvel like a famous artist doing all the art. It's really sick. So it's just gonna be him. It's a Johnny. Yeah, it's like a giant. We're gonna call them Johnny's. It's so it's like, you know, Bored Ape? Yeah. Yeah. So it's gonna be like that, but with Johnny as the character instead. And you know, because you know how he's this like, Johnny's [ __ ] huge on the internet. Johnny still ranks higher on Google Trends on Google Analytics for, um, he ranks higher than Bored Ape Yacht Club. Like, kills them. So. And the whole industry, the whole NFT community is really excited about the project. So it should [ __ ] kill him. So is it gonna be like, one of the NFTs is like his face is tie-dye and it's melting off? Yeah, but we're going like more of a route because, you know, his big meme is that he's, um, a doctor, lawyer. Yeah. So, um, a lot of the outfits and a lot of the traits, they call them, are different like professions. And then there's different funny ones. And then there's tips to like, uh, you know, NFT community stuff. But it's really well done. It's real. We're really excited about it. We actually had it ready, but then the [ __ ] market took a crash, right? So, but it's coming back up and it will be, we're gonna do it.

You're not scared of like, when you see somebody like Lana Rhoades who got crazy? Yeah, yeah. But, ah, she doesn't want to [ __ ] on other girls. No, she's never really. That that was cool and it made the whole industry, it made the whole community look really, really bad. The bat, the worst part about it is that she didn't seem like she was smart enough to understand what she had done. Yeah. For God's sake. And I don't mean that to like, be mean or anything, but it's like, when she was describing it, I was like, yeah, yeah, that's what they're mad about. That's what they're mad about. You pulled all the money out and you kept it because you wanted it and you screwed over your fans. That's the whole thing. Yeah. And the explanation was, oh, I, um, people were mean to me, so I quit. I'm, I'm not doing it anymore. But I took, I think she made 100, 1.2 million on them just on the mint itself. Yeah. And people were really sad. And it's really sad. Like, in the Discord, you could go and see everyone was like, just come back. Like, just give us anything. We just want to support you. You know? Like, you couldn't, she didn't even have to offer any utility. But there was all this utility about how you could like meet up with her and all this stuff. Like, why give that utility? You know, why could just be a cool trading card? All these things that, you know, that nobody's ever gonna do. That's one thing that pisses me off. It's like, we're gonna let you in exclusive clubs and parties, okay, in the metaverse. Like, okay, five years. Like, I mean, yeah. And I try to be like, open-minded to these things. But okay. But that's, that's an interesting thing to talk about. So she, you know, famously came into the industry, made a huge splash, everybody loved her. She's like, one of the hottest girls to get into porn in years. Yeah. And then she kind of like exits the game and she's got a lot of, you know, bad memories about a bunch of stuff that she felt like was not 100 on the up and up. Like the biggest example being the whole thing where she had it proposed to her on set, do you want to drink this piss? Like the guy pissed in a [ __ ] bowl and like, she just agreed to it and then later on was basically like, I didn't know I could say no. That kind of thing, which I could definitely empathize with the position that she was in where she might not have been confident enough to say no. But then at the same time, I've never been on a porn set like that. On porn sites, I go on, it feels like nobody wants anyone to do anything that they're not comfortable with. Yeah. But that, that set is kind of like that. And, um, well, I, I kind of have a controversial opinion about consent. I don't actually think it's controversial, but I feel like if, because I'm a very rough performer, and so I'm very scared that if, if people aren't going to tell me before, during, or after that I'm doing something that's offending you, like, I really don't know how to know that. Like, I'm trying my best. But like, I think that we need to, and everyone, and I understand she was scared at first, and I don't, I, I'm on her side for that. But I think that we need to be more forward. Like, if you don't want to drink someone's piss, like, just, you should say that. Like, next time, you know? Like, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to victim blame her or anything, but definitely consent is a big deal. If, if you're shooting for him with somebody, should everything already be laid out on the table? You know, because we always do the thing before we shoot where we say, do you have anything on your note list? Like, what do you not like? And like, the girls always say stuff that's basically unnecessary to say, like, don't stab me, or don't stick your finger in my ass. Like, obviously, we would, if this was an anal scene, we would have talked about that beforehand. Or if, uh, or they'll, they'll say, you know, the obvious stuff, like, you know, don't, don't pull my [ __ ] wig out or whatever. Like, you know, little stuff like that. But I, I think that that is probably the precedent that porn should have in general, is that if there's, I think so, for the most part, yeah. But if there's anything outside of like, regular sex, that is gonna be happening, it should probably be discussed beforehand. Yeah. And if, and even if I think even if you change your mind halfway through and you want to take one of those things off the table, like cut and say it, or even if after, if you felt pressured, like let me know. I just don't know. Like, I need to know when. Yeah. But that, because that is kind of thing. Like, I mean, porn is the hottest when it feels real and it feels like you're actually just doing something that you want to be doing. The best thing that I ever filmed, I think was New Year's Eve like four years ago. And I came back from the club with me and my girl and Riley Reed and Gina Valentina. And we [ __ ] all just banged the [ __ ] out of each other on the floor in the kitchen. And the other day, I went and looked it up online. I actually searched my own name, like New Year's three, summer, some [ __ ] on Google. Found it. I should not be telling people how to do that. Go to my girl's OnlyFans if you want to see it. But I'm like, because it really was real. Like, we really got, yes, we really like to my own dick. We really went to the club and got [ __ ] up and then went back to the house and filmed it. That was the real [ __ ]. But also, it's like, that's, you know, if that wasn't like already planned out, it would be totally inappropriate. Yeah. Because you just, you know, and even in retrospect, I would totally think twice before posting that. Yeah. You know, the alcohol. Yeah. Just, you don't want people to. I had a girl drinking a Truly on an episode of PlugTalk and we're all talk, like, should we blur it out? Yeah. Even though it's like, it's such a microscopic amount of alcohol, but still, you never know. Who knows how many other Truly [ __ ]?

Um, okay, so kiss the sins. Yeah. How many sins would you say you commit an average week? Probably all of them. Adultery? I don't even know most of the sins. I don't either. I know that overeating is one, and I definitely do that. Throw it away? Really? You want to kill someone? Yeah. No, but I wouldn't mind. Really? Yeah. But only if they were like a bad guy. Like, if someone is trying to rape you, like, I kind of do want the experience once in my life to like, [ __ ] murder them. Having, getting a body that you feel 100% justified in. Like, he's going to kill you, he's on time raping. What about a guy breaking your house? It's not even that forward. He's just standing in your living room. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. But there's the question. I'm not gonna ask you about a gun because that's secret. But you wake up in the middle of the night, there's a guy standing in your [ __ ] living room, like a stranger. You have a gun in your hand, he doesn't have a gun. Do you shoot him in the head because you know that you can get away with it legally? Or do you, what, like, point it at him and like, walk him out and call the cops? I think I'm just going for the body. I probably will regret saying that if this ever happens, but yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna be like, no, you're done. You came in my house, it's over. We're not talking anything. No. If they're in the [ __ ] house, I can't. I think as a woman, it's, it, you can't walk someone out. He's gonna do a fast one and overpower me. And that's probably not karate. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not doing all that. Maybe I'll shoot him in the st, the leg. I'm probably just blasting because I have a shotgun. So I would just spray it once and I would, I think that the shotgun is really cool because it's just like the warning sound, you know, when they're outside the door. But yeah, I'll blast them if they're in my [ __ ] house. Shoot this off. They'll make a movie about you. Yeah, porn, because it's so simple. Like, there should have been a lot of movies called that. I mean, there might be one from like, back in the day, but I like that. Let's shoot it. That's a good idea. We're gonna get arrested. No, but I think you should shoot the dick of like, your lover off. Whoa. Not that I actually want you to shoot Johnny's dick. But for a movie? No, no, no. But for a movie? Yeah. Why isn't that a movie? Well, I'm just saying like, if you shoot some random guy's dick off, for the [ __ ] cares, right? But if you shoot your lover's because he cheated on you, something like that. What was that lady's name? Before Bobbitt? I was just talking about this with the game. Oh, really? Yeah. Which didn't she throw it out the window too, into like a cornfield? Yeah. And then they found it and they set it back on. Yeah. What do you think it looks like? There was a whole documentary about this that I didn't watch. What do I think his dick looked like? Like, no, what do you think it looks like now? Like that thing? Because imagine really attaching. He did porn after that. Oh, so we can see what it looks like. They offered him a bag and he did it. I feel like I've talked about this on here enough that I need to actually watch it. We should watch it. You should shoot with him. We should. We should. Atlanta, I got this guy I want you to shoot here. This dick might have a bunch of scars on it, but I feel like it's like yellow or like discolored. Oh, this took a turn. You ever break a guy's dick? Uh, no, but I've gotten close. Really? I'm always scared. I rock on it. It's when it's not hard that it's dangerous. When you push a rope and you're like, yeah, just put it in, just trust me. I'm like, no. Yeah. The other day I was like filming something where the girl's like riding me, but facing away from me. And yeah, it was like, she just could not figure out what angle she was gonna have to go to in order for this to work. And I'm just thinking like, you, like I feel like you're gonna break my dick. If it's like, and that's why like a lot of times it looks better to just let the girl ride your dick. But then like, I'll get that feeling and I'm like, no, I have to like hold on to her ass to make sure that she doesn't do any weird movements, you know? But as a porn star, you don't really want to be like covering her ass with your hands. No, but you can make it look like you're just so into it. Because there's guys in our industry that have broken their dicks. Yeah, I've heard all about it. Yeah, it's [ __ ] scary. I had a homie back in the day and he sent me a picture of his, his whole ball sack was like purple. He said that to you? Yeah. And honestly, I didn't really know him that well, so I was a little surprised at the time. But really, those are [ __ ] purple outfalls. Yeah. He broke his dick and then his whole ball sack, somehow all the blood like just rushed to his balls. That would be the worst couple of months off that I ever had. Ever break it. Don't do it. God. I feel like I'm jinxing myself. If you guys see me take like a three-month hiatus, you'll know something. From Hawaii. Yeah. Never talk to anybody. It's never happened to Johnny. No. Sometimes we'll get caught, you know, in a really rough, but not in general, right? Okay. We've got to protect the, the crown jewels. That's right. For sure.

How long you in town? Uh, two weeks. Oh, we're totally gonna bang. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I would like that. Oh, okay. Then we have plenty of time. We can just schedule it for, uh, once I get back from this New York trip tomorrow. Okay. Okay. That would be really fun. So that's something for the, the people out there to keep an eye out for. OnlyPlugTalk.com. Yeah. And not Google. What's your OnlyFans? Since I know that you want people. dot com slash kisses. Okay. I like how you were momentarily unsure how to spell your own last name. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Um, I appreciate your time. Thank you very much for having me. For sure. Thank you so much. Kisses. Sins. No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, Instagram, etc. Like, comment, subscribe. NoJumper.com if you want to support. Appreciate y'all. Thank you.