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Well, next week, Australia will take up consideration of their combating anti-semitism, hate, and extremism bill in Parliament. This is one of the most draconian pieces of legislation to hit the English-speaking world. The Green Party has now come out posting their concerns, saying they will not support it in its current form and that that it may have some unintended consequences. You think they But it's funny, their their concerns seem to go the opposite. They don't think maybe it goes far enough. They think, "Hey, we should just why are we just covering like religious Jews, like against anti-semitism? Why shouldn't we also cover LGBTQ plus? Like, let's put everything we can into this hate speech bucket." Okay. Have they gone completely insane in Australia? Here to help us understand what is happening is Maria Z. Uh, welcome back to the show from Z Media. Great to have you here, keeping her eye on the pulse of everything what's happening there. Um, how close are we to seeing these things actually passed? Maria, great to see you.
>> Great to see you as well. Thank you for having me back. It's yet to be determined at this stage. It looks like the Greens do want some amendments made as you said. The opposition party, which is actually so the the party in power at the moment is Labor, which is kind of like the Democrats here. Uh, the opposition is the Liberal Party, which is actually more supposed to be more like Republicans. But Australia is very similar to the US in the sense that what you have most of the time is a uni party. So the opposition, the liberals aka like the Republicans are saying, "We're not really uh supporting this. We actually want to introduce our own version of this." Whichever way you turn, they're all saying seemingly that it doesn't go far enough or they want to amend it in some ways. No one's saying actually no, this should be abolished altogether. And it should be, Clayton, because there is no such thing as hate speech. Hate speech is simply speech that certain people don't like. And guess what? You're not God. You don't get to decide who is and isn't allowed to say what they want to say. And it's just insane to me. But what we do have is this lockstep approach across multiple countries. We have similar pushes here in the US for these types of hate speech laws. So people in America should be paying attention to what's happening over there because similar arguments are being made here. Now, if you want, I can take you through some of the most egregious points in this bill. It says that it criminalizes speech that merely causes fear, even if no harm occurs, and it results in 5 years imprisonment. This is very similar to previous uh laws that they've passed, which suggests that if you say anything quote unquote reckless, you could go to jail without trial. Um, it defines public space so broadly that it would include anything that you say on the internet. The law states that it's irrelevant whether hatred actually occurs or whe whether anyone truly felt fear. You are guilty.
>> Sorry, how are you going to measure that? Right. It's it's 5 years in prison because you caused fear. Someone had fear based on something you said on the internet. But then we don't really care if we can even measure your fear. So how right? even if no hatred actually occurred. It's basically the government saying we get to decide unilaterally what we do and don't like. That's what this bill is. Um they say that you're guilty of displaying a prohibited symbol unless you can prove a religious, academic or journalistic exemption. I do want to talk about the implications for Christianity in this bill as well, Clayton, because I think Australia is moving to criminalize Christianity and that seems to be clear in this bill. I'll get to that. Uh it says that the uh Australian federal police minister can declare quote unquote prohibited groups without any procedural fairness. Uh so they decide who is and isn't prohibited. Obviously this will have implications for any political parties that rise up or community action groups. Um you know people that form groups to push back on legislation for example they could suddenly declare they're prohibited or hostile to the government. And the powers can actually extend to actions that occurred outside Australia. So say you're a citizen that says I it's no longer safe to live in this country. I'm leaving. And on top of that, they can actually do it uh based on retroactive conduct. So no one knows how far back they want to go. Yes, they no one knows how far back they want to go, but that's included.
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>> How do you commit a crime? How do you commit a crime before something is law that it is just pure insanity? And mind you, it's similar to what they passed in Canada. Is it bill C93? Uh I think, forgive me if I'm wrong about that one, but there are very similar bills in Canada. And the similarity of this bill, Clayton, it's very interesting. So they say that there are religious protections that they've included in there. During a uh joint committee hearing, Sarah Chiji from the attorney general's department expressly stated that protections are there for religious groups such as Jews or Sikhs, but not for Catholics and definitely not for Christians more broadly. So, what I want to point out here is that all of these hate speech bills that keep passing in these western countries are at their very core anti-Christian bills. How do we know that? Well, we simply have to go to other examples like Canada and the UK to understand how they keep doing this. The example out of Canada, it's really egregious. Um, they actually used an example of a of an Islamic preacher who um who basically called for violence against Zionist aggressors. This this was his words. And then he claimed that his remarks were a prayer and therefore could not under the existing law be classed as hate speech. the prosecutor actually agreed that this was his religious uh prayer and he could not be um prosecuted. So what they did was they said we need hate speech laws but what they did was expressly carve out in their legislation uh exemptions for Islamic preachers but banned certain verses of the Bible. And that's what Australia is doing as well. They've carved out exemptions for Islamic preachers, but they're saying that Christians will not be protected. In the UK, just just today, I heard the report that a man uh there was a protest. People were uh saying, you know, God is great in Arabic, which is an Islamic uh statement. And a man responded, "God bless you." And he went he was arrested. Clayton, the man who said, "God bless you, was arrested." These western countries are coming after Christianity with these bills.
>> Remind me never to sneeze in the UK for crying out loud. Oh, this is insanity. So,
>> so criminalizing Christianity and I imagine symbols, maybe even like the the cross, would the cross rise to the level of being some sort of a problem for them based on these symbols? Unless you have some sort of academic as you pointed out uh reason for for studying it or is it just are they keeping it to the swastika?
>> I at the moment they've criminalized symbols like the swastika but I think the reason why they keep adding the terms prohibited symbols into all of these bills is because of a future attempt to uh or a future plan to criminalize Christianity. As we keep seeing and I'll say it again, these countries bring in these hate speech bills. They are of course about controlling the population and making sure people don't say what they want don't want them to say and more broadly it feeds into that digital ID ecosystem that we spoke about last time where all of your words that you express or even think will be form part of your digital dossier and eventually be used against you in a social credit system. But what end what ends up what keeps ending up as the case is that Christians get arrested for praying outside of an abortion clinic for example or Bible verses get banned. It always ends up protecting all religions and Christians being uh treated as criminals in every single case. I was going through like the Green Party's, you know, um, uh, problems with this bill and going through their statements on this and I, unless I missed it cuz they were complaining about that it would, you know, it would it would just prevent anti-semitisms, but they and they tal they said we need to include, you know, Islamophobia, LGBTQ plus. I didn't see any carve out in there or mention in the Greens messaging about Christianity. Did you or did I miss it?
>> No. No, and they never do. From what I understand, the Greens are currently trying to cut a deal with the Labor Party, the party in power, uh, but are concerned that the the bill will curb pro Palestinian protest, which they support, people's right to protest. And they're concerned that it will curb people's ability to criticize Israel. So, um, like anyone with common sense, I think you should have the ability to criticize any nation. Uh so the Greens have some common sense there but then they plan to push amendments to include LGBT people, disabled Australians and other minority groups as well. So in some ways they feel it doesn't go far enough. I mean, it's it's really insane,
>> right? I just always come back to the idea of I mean hate speech, you know, legislation is ridiculous on its face anyway. If you kill somebody that's hateful. We already have laws in place to deal with someone who murders somebody or who robs somebody or who um you know or or who beats someone up. We already have laws in place to deal with that. Then you have to add in this like virtue signaling layer on top of it which I mean how do you even enforce it? I just I'm so frustrated by this and I'm so sad to see it's coming to Australia. But you're right. It's I mean further coming to the United States. Of course we've already seen these things pushing through Congress, these anti-semitism laws and so forth. You have the Department of Justice under Pam Bondi talking about this. So these carveouts for for anti-semitism. Uh I guess I'll get you out of here on this, Maria. What are the Australian people saying? I mean, they're going to have their social media feeds scrubbed going back years if someone was critical of COVID or, you know, the draconian laws or moves that the the Australian government was was pushing on them back then, which Australia was one of the worst in the world, as you know.
>> So,
>> yes, I was there.
>> I mean, this could create fear, right? The fear that you're talking about, this could create problems for people. And so there's going to be a lot of people that I think are just going to be very trepidacious in Australia. But what are the Australian people saying? What do you in polls and otherwise?
>> Australia has, as in the Australian population has historically been very passive on these issues. I'm starting to see that change a little bit. I'm hoping that the Australian people gain courage from what just happened in the UK. Karmama had to back down on compulsory digital ID for the right to work. they're still going to bring it in on a voluntary basis which unfortunately will always lead to compulsory but at least for now because of the public push back they they've caused a dent in the government's plans. I really hope to see that when it comes to Australia. We've seen a number of senators say this goes too far. Unfortunately um none of them are actually focusing on the problem that um you know we have this these immigrants running around uh we're bringing them to the country. They're chasing people around with machetes. I'm not even joking. There are like home invasions and people chasing people down the street with machetes and the Australian government is more worried about the fact that the native people of the country can't can't speak about these things. They want to silence them and I don't think enough politicians have the courage to talk about what this is really about. And certainly I haven't seen any of them raising this issue around Christianity. It is uh clear that western governments at large are waging war on their populations and Christianity and the people need to really gain the courage and speak while they still have the right because the problem with all of these bills is that if you don't speak up now if you're scared to speak up now well how much worse will it be after something like this is in place and the government can jail you like they do in the UK you know 30 people a day for saying things that they don't like. It's it's getting to that sticking point and I really hope that Australians use their voices while they still can.
>> Well, I'd be pretty fearful of somebody walking down the street with a knife trying to attack me. That would rise to the level of fear, but we don't care about that.
>> No. No. Do you know what they did with that actually, Clayton? They the government uh invested in machete bins and they put them in public places so that the machete criminals could return them in the bins. Cuz once you see the bin, you have a change of conscience, right? That's that's what they did with that. Oh. Maria, we are living truly in a clown world. I got an idea how we stop all of these, you know, these rapists with knives. We'll just set up like little bins so that when they're walking down, they're thinking about rape.
>> They're thinking about breaking into people's homes. They'll just stop and they'll say, "Yeah, change of conscience. I'll just drop this in this in the bin and I'll I'll go to McDonald's."
>> Yeah. News flash, it didn't work.
>> I mean,
>> have they put up signs? Maybe have they thought about maybe putting up signs suggesting people not do that? I mean, that's right there. If I see a sign, I immediately immediately know what we know you were thinking about raping this afternoon, but uh you might want to double. By the way, if you if you have a change of mind, there's a bin down the street. Here's follow the yellow arrow.
>> PS, if anyone dares to voice their concerns with you raping and chasing people with machetes, you can report them to the hate speech line over here.
>> Right. And if you But if but if your comments online rise to the level of causing fear in somebody, you could be arrested,
>> right? I mean,
>> sometimes I just want to unplug from whatever matrix we're stuck in right now. Maria, great to see you. Thank you so much for your insights on this. We'll be watching next week and uh we'd love to have you back as always. Thanks, Maria.
>> Absolutely. Thank you. Appreciate it.