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And now from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mara podcast. Here's Jeff.
>> My guest is Eric Nanssteel, lifelong experiencer, who is here to talk about his decades of encounters with nonhuman entities, which he wrote about in his memoir, Angst in the Shadows, a true story of alien abductions. Eric, thanks for joining us today and welcome.
>> Jeeoff, I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Uh, it's a pleasure to be here.
>> Well, it's our pleasure to have you. And let's start from the beginning because you started getting contact when you were a baby, right?
>> Yes, I did. Um, however, my story doesn't necessarily start with me. It starts with my mother in the 1950s. when she was nine years old in 1953. Uh it started uh in on a summer night. She uh her brothers Dick and Don uh they live in the suburbs lived in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And uh my mother was in the kitchen one night with with her mother, my grandmother. And uh her brothers Dick and Don uh were outside looking up at the night sky and they ran in. And they were all excited and they said, "Hey, Mom. Hey, Betty. We just saw a UFO flying over the valley." And it was flying laterally and kind of stopped over the They're at the top of a hill overlooking a valley uh with the train yard below and the UFO stopped overhead and then zoomed off. Um so everybody ran outside to see if they could still see something, but it it had gone. But then that night at 2:30 in the morning, my mother woke up in a sweat and she felt anxious and she felt like compelled to go downstairs into the coal cellar to check on something. Now, the coal cellar, it was just a dirty floor down there. It it, you know, uh they used to heat the house with coal. I mean, it's just a dirty dirty pit that, you know, back then and uh not a place for a 9-year-old girl in the middle of the night. But she walked down there and she turned the light on at the top of the stairs, opened the door and and uh started to go down and then a couple of shadows came um a couple of a a couple of uh things came out of the shadows up up the stairs. And it turns out they were they were uh German shepherds and uh angry snarling ger German shepherds coming up the stairs at her and she was uh paralyzed. She couldn't move and she was just mortified, like scared. And the German Shepherds lunged at her and then she blacked out. And then next thing she knows, she's back in her room and she has no idea what happened between the time when she was at the top of the stairs and and ended up back in her room. So, she was willing to dismiss it as a dream, and she did for most of her life. Uh it wasn't until the 2020s when I was telling her about my experiences that have been happening between 2020 and 2024 that she that she remembered this thing. and and we'll get into screen memories and what those are about, but uh uh it it would seem to me that the German Shepherds that she saw were a screen memory for uh for Grays, you know, the the aliens that that uh that have been bothering me my whole life. um you know they they have a way of of giving you some kind of a post- hypnotic suggestion that you're seeing something that you're not something familiar uh and or or it'll make you think you're in a familiar place even though you you might be in one of their facilities. Um, so I was telling my mom about screen memories, how during some of my encounters, I would think I was talking to a man, but then later on when I'm uh, you know, back home and awake, uh, I remember, no, that that was not a man, that was a gray cuz I the visual memory of it was actually what I saw. Um, so yeah, so that that was 1953. So she she had this experience with the dogs. And then in 1970, I started to see as a baby in my crib, I started to see these white orbs of plasma come through my closet door, sometimes through the wall, sometimes through the window or the ceiling, but usually through the closet door, and it would cross the room and touch my forehead, and I would lose consciousness. I would black out. And that happened for four years straight every month. And that's why I remember being a a 15 16-month old kid. That was probably one of the first times it happened. It happened so often it just kind of burned in my memory. I remember the whole layout of my bedroom at that age. I don't have any other memories from 1970. You know, I was born in 1969. I have no memories from 1969. My mom said I watched the moon landing in July. I don't remember that. I was too young. But in 1970, I do have those memories of of the the white balls of plasma. And uh and and they happened for for four years. But then in 1974, my mom started to have uh recurring nightmares about white orbs chasing her and my father and me through our neighborhood as we're trying to get back home. They're chasing us and we're trying to hide behind trees and sheds and things like that, but the orbs would always catch up to us and shine a beam of light down on us. And my mom said that the dream would always end with me being taken. And so here I am in my waking life seeing orbs entering my room as a young child and she's having nightmares about orbs taking me which tells me that she's she's got some recessed memories that she can't access that only her subconscious mind is bringing up in in dreams is recalling in dreams. I so I'm I believe that she was being abducted even in the 1970s, but I believe that the incident with the dogs in 1953, those were screen memories and uh but not ones that we impose on ourselves like Sigman Freud discussed screen memories, you know, where a a a traumatized child will remember something the wrong way to protect themselves from the memory. I think that the grays have a way of using their telepathy to make you think you're seeing something else. You know, it's just a post-apotic suggestion. Um because they they have a very invasive form of telepathy that that can uh modulate your your nervous system in some way that kind of numbs you from from uh feeling much of anything and even numbs your your uh your fear response. um is is is what I noticed. But but that was the 1970s. So in the 70s I I was seeing these these white orbs of plasma. Uh and and it was such a regular occurrence. For years I dismissed it as like spiritual. They're angels or something like that. And my mother said, "They're probably just angels. You're special. You're a special kid." I'm like, "Oh, I'm special." I like it that was that was a good enough explanation for me. But then um in 1994 something happened.
>> Before you go there, I want to ask you a couple questions.
>> Yeah.
>> I want to get what your take is on what is an orb? Because we talk about them all the time and there are different opinions. Do you think it's an ET's consciousness within some kind of energy bubble or something else?
>> Right. I think there's two kinds of orbs. I think I think you have these uh silver metallic orbs that are able to fly. They're like drones. Um and sometimes they they have such a strong field around them that they they create this white plasma around them. But uh the orbs that I were seeing might have been cloaked grays because these these grays have technology on them. They're able to pass through walls. And I think when you control gravity, you can um completely squatchch your mass from interacting with the outside world and you're essentially invisible. But what's left over is uh an energy signature that that's causing plasma to show. So they can phase through walls or doors or whatever they want when they're in this cloaked state. And then um and then they can unccloak themselves and I think they may be cloaked grays like the the little short ones, the little skinny bobs. Those are the ones I saw most often.
>> One other thing real quick. Your mother had these dreams of being chased by orbs. And you're talking about screen memories. Do you think it's possible that they could also manipulate our dreams?
>> Well, they they have telepathy. They can manipulate our dreams. But I I think that my mom has seen orbs herself. But you know, if she'd seen them in her waking life, she didn't remember it. And and to this day, she says she doesn't remember seeing orbs while she was awake. I do, but she doesn't. Um she just had dreams of orbs coming to take me, you know, away from her custody. And uh and I I consider that significant uh especially considering her brother saw the UFO in 1953 and then that same night she she's like called down into the cellar and then sees those dogs. It reminds me very much of Whitley Strieber's screen memories where he recalled looking out his kitchen window and seeing a barn owl with the big eyes, you know, close to the window. And then he'd ask his wife Anne, "Did you see that barn owl?" And but then under hypnosis, that barn owl became a gray alien in his actual memory. And um that's that that's pretty pretty powerful uh ability that they have to to impose these screen memories that mask their presence in your life. Um, but in the 2020s I had so many visitations every four to six weeks for four years straight. Their screen memory stopped working on me after a while. And then I had no no question about what I was looking at each time or or I'd be looking at it and they would have me convinced like, "Oh, I'm talking to my brother Ron, but why does he look like a gray alien?" That like the visual part of the screen memory stopped working on me. So, so they could like hammer in the back of my mind, you're you're seeing something else. You're seeing something else. But um then when I'm back at home and I wake up, you know, the following morning, uh no, I remember exactly what I saw. And and um all of those memories that I had during these brief waking periods during my encounters became my book. None of what's in the book was accessed via uh regressive hypnosis. I tried regressive hypnosis because there's I'm sure there's a lot of memories that I'd really like to get at and I tried it twice and it didn't work. I I went to see Barbara Lamb down in San Diego, California and she couldn't help me. She couldn't get me under uh which a shame because it was kind of quite expensive to go out there to see her. And then um and then another hypnotist in the Chicago area where I live and he couldn't help me either. Um, it's very frustrating. I was I was hoping to have some really re revvelatory moments like Whitley Strieber has had with with his hypnosis, but I just can't, you know, people can't seem to hypnotize me, but the Grays have no problem doing that.
>> Hey, beautiful family. Quick interruption here. We need your help. If you like this video, be sure to subscribe, like, and share so we can reach more people and continue doing this amazing work. Do you think the gray's mental capacity is far superior to ours?
>> Oh yeah. In fact, I think their telepathy is so strong it it overwhelms our brains uh sensory processing integration. Now, one thing I learned from having a child with autism is that she has a sensory processing disorder. So, she can take in sight, she can take in sound, but she has trouble integrating them in real time. and processing them at the same time in order to handle social situations or or just taking in data. Um, so what she'll do if she wants to focus on something she's seeing, she'll cover her ears so as not to be distracted so she could focus and and the same thing if she if she's trying to like hear what you're saying, she'll kind of like look down so she's not looking at your face and trying to interpret that data. she can only focus on a limited narrow bandwidth of of of data at at one time. So I think that their telepathy is so strong they can overwhelm your brain's uh uh bandwidth of of what it can process at one time. So it's like they can they can push data in so much and the data that they're pushing in could be post- hypnotic suggestions and while your brain is trying to handle that suddenly you're unaware of your of your your physical sensations in your body and you're you're essentially paralyzed. So they can it it's it's almost like uh you know poaching a deer with a flashlight in the middle of the night and and I think that they can do that with us cognitively.
>> All right, let's move fast forward to 1994 when you first met the Grays.
>> Uh the first time I remember seeing them. Um uh this was August 20th, 1994. It was the third Saturday of the month. I don't know why I remember that, but uh I had plans that day and and I can't even remember what the plans were at this point. It was so long ago, but uh I it was it was uh just early early dawn when when the sun was just starting to, you know, put light in the sky. And I uh I started to wake up, but I couldn't open my eyes. And and I was thinking, well, I'm awake now. I want to like wake up and start my day because I have things to do. And I couldn't move. And then I started to like get nervous and then my ears started to come back online and then I could hear my floor fan running on the floor. I use it for white noise sometimes when I when I have trouble sleeping. Um but then I also heard things rustling up against the side of my bed on both sides and I just got the sense that I wasn't alone. And then just as soon as I had that thought, um, uh, some dream imagery popped into my vision and it was a maple leaf, a green maple leaf, and I was I was underneath it and the sun was shining down through it. I could see its veins and its cellular structure. And I was looking at it and and I was rotating beneath it and there was some music box music playing. It was really eerie. I felt like it was meant to distract me. It was meant to dazzle me and I I was really um frightened by this for some reason. I I'm just like, "No, this is wrong. This is It wasn't coming from my imagination." And I knew it. It wasn't coming from an area of my brain cuz when I dream, I can feel like the part of like my brain that's being active at that moment. I know that sounds weird, but I when I when I'm having imagination, I feel it like here. And it wasn't. it it was like a different area in processing that that imagery and I knew it wasn't mine. And so I uh I really started to panic and I started to shake it in bed. And what happened was I I woke up uh opened my eyes, popped open my eyes, sat up in bed really fast, and as fast as I could turn my head to the left, I saw four short grays. Whoosh! Whoosh! Whoosh! Whoosh! right through my bedroom door like it wasn't even material like like it was like it was open but it was closed and um it was it was like a blur but I I was able to catch enough detail. They had these these big white uh grayish ashen heads and uh big black eyes, but more in front. Not not like this big wraparounds like the tall grays have, but more in front. And um I I couldn't I couldn't see facial details, but I saw the eyes. And they had uh dark coveralls on that that were uh from their neck down to their feet was very tight form fitting, but they were moving so fast, as fast as you could turn your head. They they were faster than their little legs. They were only about three and a half ft tall. Faster than their little legs could possibly propel them. So they were being propelled by technology, you know, like like gravidic propulsion or whatever they use to to move or levitate that that was propelling them out of the room. They they weren't walking. They were they were just whooshing. It it was the the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life. And uh so I uh I was freaked out. I called my dad within minutes. First, I did a walking tour of my apartment. I you know, my roommate wasn't around, so I couldn't ask him if he saw anything, but uh you know, they weren't in the rest of the apartment, so I called my dad and I told him about it. And he remembers having this conversation with me. And I said, "Dad, I saw these little they're like little gray people and they were just they whooed out of my room." And and he's like, "Whoa." you know, and then that started my interest in researching gay aliens and that's how I read about uh Betty and Barney Hill. Um, I had already read about Whitley Strieber because in 1988 89 whenever his uh paperback came out of Communion, I saw it on an endcap in a grocery store and I read it because I was just struck by the the front cover, the the gray alien on the front cover. It felt emotionally familiar to me in the late '80s and I'm like, I have to have this book. I couldn't even understand why. And I read the book cover to cover, but I still wasn't like it it wasn't like triggering memories or anything, which which I find odd, but um cuz my only memories were of these orbs in the '70s. Um, but uh but when I saw those grays, I started to really do research and that's how I learned about Bob Lazar. I was I was renting videos on UFOs at the video store about Bob Lazar and things like that and uh learning everything I could but nothing happened again for 26 years.
>> Earlier you mentioned Skinny Bob. Did these little grays look like Skinny Bob? And if so,
>> absolutely identical to Skinny Bob. That's what they look like. That's how they move. So when I saw the Skinny Bob video, I'm like, "Yeah, that's real." But I understand that uh the video was doctorred in a in a way probably for plausible deniability. So whoever leaked it put some after effects of fake film grain on there, maybe a a fake uh soundtrack of of the ch, you know, the film projector playing. Uh they put a fake uh uh Soviet logo page from the KGB on the front, you know. Uh, so they doctorred it up, but the footage itself, yeah, I'm absolutely 100% that's real. Um, because I've seen them. I've inter I've held their hands uh in in in later encounters. And so these these Yeah. the skinny bobs that there the short little worker bees that work for the taller ones.
>> Some people think these little grays are like biological robots. Did you get that sense or do you feel like they are sentient beings?
>> They're sentient beings. They they have they they're they're meek. They're friendly. Um they have personalities. They have humor. Um but they are absolutely scared to death to disobey their duties. Um they, you know, the tall grays would think nothing of killing small grays if if they become too much of a problem, if they break protocol too often. And uh and I I was shown imagery of a of a small scout craft being being like blasted apart by a like a a larger craft. Uh and and I think it was a like a disciplinary measure or something like that. I don't know if it was a literal imagery, but but it it was a sense of like, hey, if we don't obey, like we we could be severely punished kind of a thing. Um, but the the little ones I have I have no doubt they're engineered. I think I think they have human DNA in them. Uh, I think they were engineered to operate in our biosphere comfortably because the tall grays their physiology is such that uh they're the they're evolved they're adapted to underground habitation on their own planet. They they my theory is that they lost their magnetic field eons ago and they had to adapt underground to avoid the solar and cosmic radiation bathing the surface of their planet and and the surface is is nearly dead like they're you know most of the the the biological diversity on their planet was lost and so uh so they they were living underground so they come here uh and I have a theory for why they come here but mostly because of our magnetic field. And so I think they want to live here and they're adapting themselves to live here by uh hybridizing themselves with humans. But I think that the short grays are are partially human in order to adapt them to working in the biosphere so they can be comfortable. Uh you know, they're the ones that do the home invasions, the short ones. The tall ones almost never come to the surface. They live underground or or you'll you you might see them in a in a a vehicle like a large ship or something like that, but they they're you know, you'll never see them in the daylight because the they're allergic to daylight. They would just burn horribly. Uh you know, they they have very thin skin. It's porous. They they feed through their dermal layer. uh they they it's a liquid diet uh made of different blood components. Boine blood serum mixed with human type O blood. I I've done a lot of research. Uh and and so they they uh they bathe in like they step into these cylinders and it fills up and they bathe they bathe in that. Um so uh I can't prove that but but uh so there they have a dense capillary bed under their very thin skin and uh it's very porous. So they they also excrete waste through their skin. You know there was something that uh Whitley Striber talks about in the fourth mind and also in communion that he's he's witnessed them wiping their their waste their excrement right off their skin. It's kind of like a frog. A lot of frogs excrete waste through their skin.
>> A number of my experience or guests when they're with the small grays, they're also with mantis or mantatoid beings that appear to be in charge. Do you think it's possible that people are misinterpreting these manttoid beings as tall grays? I've never recalled seeing a mantid. I have a picture of one that I think is a genuine photograph. um kind of freaky look and I'll share it with you if you want. I I found it on the internet and it looked real to me. But uh I think that the manted the mantids are possibly working with the tall grays. I I don't know if they're in charge. I think the tall grays are in charge. That's that's my belief. That's my theory. You know, I do a lot of theory crafting because I'm trying to understand what's happened to me. What's happening to everybody that's ever been abducted? I'm I'm really trying to understand it. So, uh you know, I've been doing a lot of research and which is the the result of was two books that I've written. Um but yeah, I've I've interacted with tall grays that are as tall as 8t tall. Um some of the tall grays I've interacted with were shorter, but I think it's the younger ones that are shorter. And and another clue that they're younger is they have a more even uh grayish skin tone. And the older they get, uh the paler their skin gets cuz their skin gets thinner. And then you could see the capillary bed under their skin. And um anytime they bump into something, they bruise easily and they show their bruises. And the older they get, the more bruised they look. So you've got this really modeled appearance. uh you know like these bluish patches throughout their their gray pale gray skin. Uh so that the but the tall grays you're not you're never going to see them in the daylight. You're you're almost never going to see them on the surface except at night. Um but the the tall grays or the short grays can tolerate a little bit of sunlight. They have some subcutaneous fat, but the the tall grays have no subcutaneous fat. I know cuz I've I've touched them.
>> Well, let's fast forward to 2020 when you started having more contact and you even started running your own experiment.
>> Well, my experiment was a sign I put on my wall. But, uh, in January through March of 2020, I started to notice things changing in my bedroom between when I'd go to bed at night and when I'd wake up in the morning, something had changed in my bedroom. Uh, one example is my bedding had been completely removed from the bed and put on 90 degrees the wrong way. So, stripes that should have been going across my legs were now running vertically along my body. Uh, another time I found that my earplugs had been removed from my head and uh, I thought that maybe they fell out, so I was looking for them, but I found them neatly stacked on my nightstand next to the bed, very daintily, very politely on their ends. And I know I didn't do that because anytime I ever remove them in the middle of the night, if I do remove them, I usually remember removing them, but I I take them out and I toss them because it's dark and I'm like I can't like if I try to like neatly place them, it it doesn't work. So, um I woke up and I saw the the earplugs just sitting there. I'm like, you know, that was just weird. And um so little clues like that in my bedroom were happening. So I couldn't figure out what's going on. Is somebody coming into my room at night? Like well it's not my daughter. She's locked in her bedroom. She's autistic and I I can't trust her not to elope from the house. So her bedroom is like she's not unable to leave her room until I come get her. That's just for her safety. So I know she's not coming into my room doing things to my bed or me. So, um, but that was back then. So, I decided, well, what if it was those things I saw 26 years earlier in 1994? What if it was those little things, those grays that I saw? So, I'm like, well, I don't know how to communicate with them if if they come back. So, I decided I'm I'm going to just take a a 8 and 1 half by 11 sheet of paper and and I'm a graphic designer. So, I went on there and I found a picture of a gray alien. And I put it on there and and big black letter type and I said, "Uh, let me remember you. I want to remember your visit. I will not harm." And uh and I I put that on my wall hoping to God that nobody would come into my bedroom. And like the babysitter, like if the babysitter's chasing Miranda through the house, if she goes into my room, the babysitter sees that, she's going to think I'm some kind of a weird nut. And then, you know, uh you know, so I didn't I was hoping nobody would see it. Um so the first week, nothing nothing every night. I I'd go to bed and nothing happened. And then uh after two weeks, finally something did happen. And I woke up in my garage. I wasn't standing. I was levitating. I was off my feet. And I was leaning forward at a 25 or 30° angle. Uh looking down about 8 6 to 8 ft away from me was this short little gray looking up at me. Just one one short little gray. And uh to my left I couldn't I could turn my head. I couldn't move my body. I was paralyzed otherwise. But to my left was my my 2002 Chevy Trailblazer that I had at the time. And then it was very dark in the garage, but there was light streaming in the side window illuminating the short gray on one side on his left side. And um so so he was kind of very dark on the one half and very light on the other half, but I could see him clearly both eyes. And he spoke to me words in my mind, telepathy. And he said, "We can't allow you to remember our visit or else my superiors would know about it." And that was obviously a response to my sign I had on the wall. Let me remember you. And before I could formulate a response, I mean, I was just so shocked looking at this thing. I was very awake, very paralyzed, very numbed. like my my nervous system was dialed down to almost nothing. I I I just I just couldn't process what I was seeing. Like this can't be real. This this is like terrifying. Um but he was kind of cute, but still terrifying, you know. But Chucky's kind of cute, but you wouldn't want to see him talking to you.
>> What's fascinating is he was willing to risk getting in trouble.
>> That's my thought. communicate with you.
>> I think he was breaking protocol, but I only think he did it because they were startled by the sign because in their minds they may have made no mistakes. Like in their minds, I may have been asleep that entire time, never woke up, never opened my eyes anytime they came to do whatever they were doing to me. There there there was no reason for me to know what they looked like to put it on a sign. And they were probably like bamboozled by that. So, so it may have been part investigation on their part to find out what they did wrong. Excuse me. So, but but he was probably just politely like, "Okay, well, he obviously has some ability to know that we're here." So, they just were politely communicating. We can't let you remember. But Whitley Streamer found that humorous because he's like, "That sounds just like them." because they'll tell you one thing and do another thing. He's like, that's just so the grays, you know, that's so he was he was amused by that antidote. Um, but then exactly one week later, one of one of his uh superiors that he alluded to showed up and uh it was a Saturday. I woke up in my bed because there was a light in my face. And I woke up and right in my face was a a a gray's face, but it was a different kind of gray. Not the short little skinny bobs, but you know, a a a bigger head, bigger eyes that wrapped more around the sides than than the skinny bobs. And uh and he wasn't clothed. He didn't wear like a skin type bodysuit like the little ones do. Um and and and darker complexion like more gray like elephant gray kind of like this gray. Um and he was on top of me and I was extremely intimidated. He was trying to get me to look him straight in the eyes and I didn't want to do it. I was I was terrified but at the same time my heart was calm, my senses were calm. It it's a very strange feeling to to be intimidated without like your body going into overload like you know like if imagine you wake up and you have a tarantula on your chest. What would you do Jeff? What would you do? You know, you'd probably ah and
>> yeah, you you'd grab it, you'd throw it. Like I would have grabbed this thing by the neck. I mean, it couldn't have been more than 70 pounds, you know? I don't know how how heavy this thing might have been. I didn't feel his weight. It was like he was barely touching me, but his chest was only this far from my chest, you know, and but I was intimidated. I didn't want to look him in the eye. So, I was looking at his shoulder and I was noticing the texture of the skin and stuff. I wanted to touch him and somehow it knew I wanted to touch him. So suddenly I was I I had feeling in my left hand and my arm. I'm like I could move my hand. So I just like moved my hand between the space between our chests and I put my hand on its shoulder. I was rubbing the back of its shoulder and then my my thumb was on its uh collar bone. It had a collar bone like we do. Just like we do. and and I was feeling it and then I calmed down and then I was able to look him in the eyes and as soon as I looked him in the eyes he touched his forehead to mine and then I was unconscious instantly and as soon as that happened I was suddenly in this dream environment. So it was it was he put me into REM sleep and then the imagery of where we were at he was still there in the dream. Um he he appeared in the dream state but we were standing on a cobblestone street in a Bavarian style village. So there were buildings around us that had the halftimbered architecture with the crisscrossing brown beams with the stucco between the beams. Beautiful town. It looked like uh downtown historic Nuremberg or some place like that. And there was a full moon in the sky which actually corresponded with that night actually had a full moon uh in uh it was late April I think of uh 2020. So it uh it started to speak to me and it allowed me to ask him questions and and I asked him what's your name? and he said, "Sizzle." Now, the the three other uh there's three little skinny bobs that were in the room with him next to the bed to my right, and I saw them in my peripheral vision. They appeared in that dream state as three identical little girls, blue-eyed, blondhaired, wearing little blue dresses. And you can see graphics for this. I reconstructed it on my website, angststontheshadows.com, um in the in the gallery section. But uh so every time I would ask him a question, I would bend down and tell the little girl because I didn't realize that they're telepathic also. So I I was having telepathy with the tall gray named Sizzle. And then I was I would bend down and tell the little girl. He says his name is Sizzle. And then uh and then I asked him questions of where he's from. I I like cuz I heard about Zeta 2 Reticuli from the Betty and Barney Hill case. Remember I told you when I did the research after I saw those grays that one time and I asked him are you from Zeta 2 reticuli and he said yes and I said are you from the fourth planet and he said yes. I'm like and do you call that planet Serpo which I read about in those Reagan briefing papers from 1981. I read about those in the mid '90s. So I I heard about Serpo and uh then he says no we don't call it that. So maybe it's like our military, what they call it. But I don't even know if those Reagan briefing papers are genuine or not. And and I don't think there's any like real hard consensus on that either. Um, but uh so I was asking these questions. He was answering them, but I think he was there to find out how I knew that they were coming for me. So um so I finally bent down. I told the little girl everything he told me, the one in the middle. And then she looked up at me and she said, "You know, you're nice." We were told that you would be mean. And and I was confused. I'm like, "Why? Why would they think I'm mean? Why would they think I'm mean?" But before I could even ask that question, I was unconscious. Not dreaming REM sleep or anything. Just black sleep. After the conversation ended, it was just black sleep. And I woke up sometime after that. And uh and so that was my second encounter. And then after that it would it it became routine. Every four to six weeks I get some kind of encounter and usually they were uh for uh collecting fluid. Um but on occasion I suspect that they were collecting uh bone marrow as well.
>> Did they ever take you aboard their craft?
>> Yes. Uh but I don't know if I was on a craft or if I was in some underground facility. Uh because most of the time if if I woke up and I found I wasn't in my room, I'd be surrounded by gray walls and I would be laying on a gray metal table. And that happened several times. Now, whenever I wake up and I'm on a gray metal table, it's not for fluid because they can do that with the home visits. They could just come, they got this little black triangular pyramidal cone uh that's on on open on the one end. It's it's shaped like a an athletic cup and they can just stick that over your yours down there and it's just instant extraction. They don't have to take you out of your house to do that. Um so I think whenever they had me in one of those rooms with the gray walls, I was there for fancier stuff like like I said bone marrow and other things.
>> I've had guests talk about how the ETs would take them out of their houses to their crafts and I guess they use the same technologies they used to beam themselves into your room. Do you have any information on that?
>> They they don't beam, they they phase, right? Matter through matter. When you control gravity, you can completely squaltch the apparent mass of an object and you can move it right through the wall. You know, if you remove the gravity from an object, you can move it right through the wall like it doesn't even exist. Uh so there's a lot of space between atoms and and when you move remove like the graviton emissions or whatever is causing the gravity then then matter can just move through each other and so I think they're just phasing like right through the wall. And um I never was awake during such a transition. whenever they would move my body somewhere. I was never awake for that. So, I don't remember like watching a portal open up or or being like moved. I would I would wake up in a strange place and then I'd be put back to sleep again. Uh it was, you know, very stunted every time. And I would only have like between 12 seconds of consciousness up to two minutes of consciousness that depended on the encounter. if they needed my cooperation with something, I'd be awake for longer periods of time and allowed to like stand up and walk and things like that.
>> Do you think you have any hybrid children? And if so, have you seen?
>> I do. I do. And I met one of them. Well, sort of met one of them. Uh I was in the same room with one of them. Uh so before I get to the one that that I met, before I tell you about that, I'll tell you about uh a visit I had where I woke up in a standing position and um I was shown a a gray wall that became like like a gray Peter metal wall. It just became a view screen. And then I was shown every every time they show you something on a screen, it's always monochromatic, you know, grayscale. There there's no colors in their facilities. It's always gray, black or white. There there's there's nothing with shades of red or green or blue or orange or yellow, nothing like that. So I think that they can only see uh in black and white and and in the infrared. Uh, and I think that's probably an adaptation to living underground is not being able to see color. So, they showed me they showed me a uh three rows of portraits and they said, "These are your children, your offspring." And uh, and they was just the head and shoulders and and they were all varying ages. So, there's like three rows of portraits. I don't know if it was nine across or or 10 across. I don't know if I was looking at 27 or or 30. I don't know how many uh you know portraits I was shown, but there's just the head and shoulders of all these offspring of various ages from infancy through adulthood. And they said uh these are your children. And and I asked them, well, do they have names? And they said, well, would you like to give them names? And I said, okay. But I was confused and I was out of it. So, I was being a little bit flippant with uh with the process of naming them. So, I was just grabbing names that were just easily accessible off the top of my head. So, I was using names from pop culture. So, I was choosing Star Trek names. Kirk, Spock, McCoy, you know, uh Peard and and just and now I'm kind of embarrassed by that when I think about it, but they seemed now these were just two tall grays that were standing next to me. I didn't see any short grays in this one, just the two tall grays, like seven, eight feet tall. And uh and then I went unconscious after after I gave like maybe six or seven names. Um and then that was the end of that visit.
>> Did they look humanoid, these children?
>> I can't remember the faces. That's such a fuzzy detail and it bothers me. So, I tried to recover that memory with regressive hypnosis to see if I could remember what those faces looked like. They kind of looked like holographs. Holograms. Uh, you know, like almost like line art, you know, with dimensionality to it. Um, but, uh, you know, but there was depth in the portraits. So, it was almost like they were looking through the window, but it wasn't like it wasn't like I'm looking at you. shaded and colored in and stuff like it wasn't like that. It was it was very monochromatic. Uh so it was more like a hologram. Uh but I can't remember the faces. So I I can't remember I couldn't tell you if they had big eyes or not. I just mostly I I remember more clearly the the portraits themselves, you know, the the outlines of the portraits and and close to how many they were like 27 or 30 or something like that.
>> Did you feel any emotional connection with them
>> with portraits? No, not at no, not at that time. Uh, but backing up a little bit in in uh early 2022, I started dating a woman, a physician, and we uh accidentally got pregnant and she because of her religious beliefs did not want to get an abortion. She she's in her 40s. It's a little risky, but she was willing to do it. So, I'm like, "Okay, well, I guess I'm on board then." And and I was 53 at the time. And I'm like, "Okay, gosh, a new father." I And and she said, "It'll be born on or around your birthday in January of 2023." And I'm like, "Okay, wow. So, I'll be I'll be 54 and I'll be a new father." That's freaky. That was freaking me out. But she miscarried within, you know, like within 6 weeks or something like that. And uh and so I we were relieved. But she uh she passed these tissues when when she miscarried and she inspected the tissues and what was missing from the tissues was the fluid fil sack with the fetus, the embryo. It was gone. So, she went to her obstitrician and he checked her out and uh there was nothing left in the uterus and she's healthy and and but he did in fact concur that she was pregnant. He he says, "I could definitely tell you you were pregnant, but there's nothing left inside you, so you must have gotten all of it." But it was just a little medical mystery. Okay. Missing fetus. Maybe it was just a a bad pregnancy. just nothing developed so it just got flushed. That's how we handled it. Okay. But this was this was in uh you know I don't know April, May, I don't know of 2022 and then um so it was supposed to be born in January of 23. Well, she and I ended up breaking up in January of 23. But then in June of 23, I wake up in a standing position during an encounter and I'm in a strange room. It's a a round room this time, not a square room. And uh it's circumferenced by these vertically narrow windows that are very long, long windows, horizontal windows all the way around. And I'd say that the room was 60 ft in diameter. It's a large room. And
It's an empty room. Metal floor, like gray metal floor, metal ceiling, and uh the room only had a uh metal table in the middle of it with a naked baby crawling on it. And I was in there uh dressed only in my boxer briefs like I go to bed with. And there was a very tall man there. Uh, I saw him as a man, but I I uh at the time I believed he was a man. I thought I was in an air traffic control tower. Uh, and I thought I was talking to a very tall air traffic controller. But later on when I recall the memory after waking up back at home, yeah, that was a tall gray cuz that there's no way that the way he looked that that was a man.
Um, so anyway, I'm looking at this baby on the table and I hear this voice enter my head and he says, "He's yours, but he has a genetic problem and you're here to provide the tissues. We need to correct it." And I could see it was a boy, but I couldn't see his face cuz he was turned away from me the way he was twisting on the table. Um, but I I wasn't allowed to approach him. I wasn't allowed to pick him up or or or hold my son. And um but I was confused in the moment when it was happening. I I was I It's like being drunk, Jeff, but without the buzzy feeling, that uncomfortable buzzy feeling when you're if you have ever been drunk. Um, it it's I I hate the feeling of being drunk, but it's the same level of being numb as being drunk, but without that weird buzzy feeling, without the ringing in the ears. Um, is is what it feels like. And so you you you're often confused. You're very awake, but you're very confused. Uh, I mean, imagine being woken up in the middle of the night and you're suddenly conscious, you know, and you're trying to like take all this in except instead of like an onslaught of of sensory data like, you know, giving you a headache, like you're trying to like you don't like bright lights cuz you just woke up. You're comfortable with the bright light, but everything else is numb. And that's what it's like when they have you in this entranced state.
Um anyway, I went unconscious shortly after he told me that I'm here to provide the tissues I need to correct his problem. But then when I woke up back at home, I sat up in bed and I'm like, that baby was six or seven months old. That was the first thing that occurred to me. He's six or seven months old. The the the size that he was, he was kind of chubby, a little chubby. And uh he looked like a normal human baby to me, but I couldn't see his face. Maybe his eyes were bigger. I don't know, but I couldn't see that. Um it could have been it could have been the child that I would have had with my girlfriend. What if they had taken him from her womb because it was mine? That I I can't prove that. I have no evidence for that other than the timing, but I thought it was significant enough to mention it. That's why I brought my ex-girlfriend into the book. Um, you know, she's she's since read the book, so she knows about this now.
>> How does she feel about it?
Uh, she was always like supportive whenever I tell her about my encounters, but she was like cautiously supportive because she was she's, you know, she believed my sincerity, but she's kind of like taken like a wait and see kind of attitude about whether this stuff's real or if I'm a little bit out of my mind. Um, but now she's accepting because she and I still talk. So, she's accepting of it and uh she accepts that there's a possibility that um that that this could have been an incident involving her because she's had some weird recurring dreams that I won't share the details of. She's asked me not to. But uh she's had recurring dreams, nightmares that of of a of a young son >> uh that that uh she couldn't be with that was taken from her. And so to me that is just so thematically consistent with with my encounter and my experience that that um I'm willing to believe that the child I was shown on that metal table might have been both of ours. Um, but again, that's not something I can say with any confidence, but but intriguing enough that that I I felt it should be in the book.
>> If we step back and take a look at the big picture, why do you think they're coming here?
>> I think that the grays, the tall grays are going extinct. Uh, they cannot reproduce sexually. They reproduced by uh genetic means cloning. Um I believe that their magnetic field on their planet died and I believe that they were having difficulty getting their clones to become conscious uh once they're brought to life. uh once once they're they're matured and and and uh ready to to animate uh you know these clones they they weren't becoming conscious because I think what happens is when a person dies the electrical activity and their nervous system is what was anchoring their soul to their body and I believe that the soul needs an electromagnetic environment to thrive. So where could a soul go between incarnations, between lifetimes for it to thrive? I think it it is very very likely the magnetic field of the planet. Our magnetic field, Earth's magnetic field may be a living bioplasma, a sphere of bioplasma where where our consciousness goes uh between our the lifetimes that we live in human bodies. So I think if they lost their magnetic field, their souls may have migrated here and and living human lives and they don't and and they see how how self-destructive we are as a species and it makes them nervous. Like Bob Lazar read in these briefings at Area S4 that he claims to have read. He said that the grays considered us to be self-destructive and that they didn't want us damaging their the containers. We are containers to them, nothing more. So, uh, not to damage the containers. I think they're talking about containers of souls. So maybe the souls that we have, maybe we our souls might have some of them, at least a portion of our population may have originated on their planet and and they migrated over here so they could thrive. And so I think the grays just followed their souls to this planet and now the grays have to adapt to living here. Right now they're living underground here, but they're adapting themselves genetically by hybridizing with us. And so this new species of man, I call it homoexogenous because they're using exoplanet genetics, you know, so these extraterrestrial genetics. So I call them homoexogenous. That's what I call them. So I I want a quarter every time somebody uses that term. I'm kidding.
>> Well, do you think that you are one of these spirits that came from another planet and that's how they found you?
>> I have no idea, you know. I I mean I can speculate. It's fun to speculate.
>> Overall, do you get a sense that they are benevolent, malevolent, or kind of indifferent?
>> I think they're desperate. I think that they're here to save themselves, but I think that they believe we're going to destroy ourselves. Once we started lighting off nuclear bombs in the 1940s, the UFO flap started. They they developed a a more intense interest in us. They started messing with our our nuclear silos. They started messing with our jet fighter planes. Uh you know, they're very interested in keeping us alive. But I think it's for their own means, for their own for their own purpose. And I think that they intend to phase out homo sapiens sapiens with their homoexogenus. That's not an official term, but I can't even prove that that species exists. But I've I've met one, maybe a few. I I don't remember.
>> Have you seen the new Disclosure Day movie?
>> Yeah, it was terrible.
>> Some people feel that the movie was propaganda for the Grays. Did Does that resonate for you?
>> Nothing about that movie resonated with me. The grays didn't even weren't even realistic looking. I mean, you know, Close Encounters of the Third Kind got closer to what grays looked like than than this one did. Um, even even though they were just cheesy masks that they put on children in bodysuits, but but the uh the Yeah. Uh, I I wish I wish I could have been a consultant on that movie because I would have talked to Steven Spielberg's, you know, you know, his his uh Stan Winston or whoever team that he works with. I I would have told them to make the short grays look like skinny bobs, and I would have told them to make the tall grays look like they actually look. And uh and it it didn't look any they don't look anything like what was in that plastic enclosure that they wheeled into the newsroom at the end of the movie. Uh I was just like Spielberg was phoning it in. That that is the worst screenplay. That is the worst direction that he's ever done. Um you know I was very disappointed. I you know you should have thrown that whole screenplay in the trash. It it was just a bad story. Um, not at all realistic. Uh, I think he should have made the bad guys, you know, US military again like he did in in Close Encounters. Um, there's so much better he he could have done with that movie. I I think he's he's even lost his his storytelling edge. You know, it he didn't even stick to his own formula that works. So, I didn't I didn't like that movie at all. I was very disappointed.
How do you feel about the government releases of files lately?
>> I think it's a good start, but I think they're keeping the juicy stuff to themselves. I think that uh well, I think it would be irresponsible for them to say, "Hey, we have captured spacecraft that we've managed to backineer and we now have a fleet of these TR3Bs or whatever other designation that they have for like their own domestic fleet." you know, we have our own secret space force. I think it would be irresponsible because it would spark a new technological uh race like space race like we had against the Soviets you know in the in the 40s ' 50s60s and 70s and 80s you know I I think it would be very stupid to to uh you know it would be like swatting a hornets's nest to to admit that they have all of this technology. I think it's safer to do what they've been doing, which is to take the safer technologies that they could leak, give them to certain corporations and work them into consumer products like Myar foil and things like that. Myar supposedly came from the the the crash at Roswell. Uh Velcro supposedly came from the crash at Roswell and it was like, you know, given to 3M and 3M developed it into a consumer product. Um, so I I I I think they have to be very careful with with what they release to the public, but if if we ever get a a disclosure speech from, let's say, Donald Trump, and and we know with his ego, he would love to be the guy that says, "My fellow Americans, we are not alone. Aliens are real, and we have some of them. We have some of their technology." Uh if we ever get a speech like that, it's going to come with a big ask for a lot of money from Congress. And if if that was the case, I'd be worried because the only reason why they would have to tell Congress about it is to get a lot of money from Congress because they uh perceive some imminent threat to our way of life, to our species, and we would have to meet that threat on its own level. And the only way to do that is if we have $3 trillion to develop foreign technology. So if if you get a speech like that from Trump, you should be afraid. You should be worried. But don't go buying up all the milk and all of the toilet paper. You know, don't do that.
>> Do you think the public could handle the truth now that you've had some experience?
Well, I lost my religious beliefs as a result of my encounters and the and the research I did into ancient astronaut theory. Uh it completely changed everything I believe about uh Judeo, Christianity, Islam, everything, you know, Hinduism, you know, all the world religions going back to the third millennium BCE. Uh it changed everything I believe. So, uh I but I I didn't panic, you know. I I didn't uh become a survivalist off-rid Montana somewhere. It I I handled it. It was fine. It was okay. And I think most people could handle it because look look what has been happening since the 1950s. We we've been seeing UFOs, shoot them up sci-fi films for decades and decades and decades. And and I think we're we're conditioned to the idea of extraterrestrials coming down. And but 5,000 years ago, humans didn't have science fiction. Humans only had like something, you know, that looked akin to magic. Technology akin to magic would would would be misunderstood and considered to be divine. you know, anything coming down out of the sky with lights and smoke and all this other stuff, they they would confuse for divinity. And so, uh, you know, so they're, oh, these these must be gods. We have to obey the gods. We have to give the gods what they want. And, uh, you know, so I I I take all the major world religions in that context.
>> What other advice do you have for experiencers out there?
>> Talk about it. Don't be afraid. Uh now, you don't you don't have to like write books and and and go on podcasts if you don't want to, but talk about it. Talk about with your family, with your friends, you know, don't don't be afraid because I found it to be cathartic. I found I found it to be therapeutic because, you know, meeting children that you you can't be a part of their life was very disturbing for me. Um, just having these revelations of of these creatures that treat me like a lab rat has me worried. You know, if I was alone with these thoughts of all these things that have happened to me over the la, you know, since the last six years when I became aware of them, I it would drive be driving me nuts. But what I did was I reported my case to MUON and MUON investigated my case and then suddenly they're telling me this is the best case out of 8,000 that we've had in 2025 and would you mind if we present this case at our symposium in July of last year? And I'm like no I I don't mind. It's okay. And and so they did. And uh and my investigator became friends with me like now we're we're chums now. And uh and so then I started to go to muon events like meetings and stuff the chapter meetings for the state of Illinois and I started becoming friends with people. I met uh airman John Burroughs from the Rendlessham Forest incident at you know uh that happened in England and uh he lives in Illinois. He goes to the muon meetings. Cool guy. He's super tall. Really tall guy. He's like 6'4 or something like that. And uh I bought his book. He signed it for me. It was really nice. Um, but yeah, my advice would be report to MUON. Uh, because we're trying to get an understanding of the scale of this. So, if we can create like a a data map of of abductions all over the, you know, the at least the United States, that could be useful data to understand the scale of this thing. But there it's happening to millions of people all around the world and and and we have to talk about this. So I was willing to write my book and use my real name and and trash my reputation. It's probably why I'm having trouble finding work right now because people can go on Google and they they check out my name. It's like, "Oh, he's a UFO now. Don't hire this guy." That's what I'm afraid. I I just kind of painted myself into that corner. But um I I certainly didn't do it for the money. You know, the the book sales are not like enough to risk trashing your name. They really aren't. Uh so when when people say, "Oh, there's always a book." Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, the the people that that talk about it that really document their experiences, it's best to write a book because then your encounters when you write a book can live beyond you. So, I can keep telling my story long after I'm dead because I wrote this book and um I I want these things to be documented and that's why I wrote it. Uh you know, so yeah, please buy it. You're never you're not going to make me rich. I promise. You know, people seem to like think, "Oh, you're dishonest. You know, you wrote this book uh which must make you dishonest because you're going to get rich." I'm like, trust me, only 1% of authors become bestsellers. I'm not going to get rich off this book. Not a chance. Um, I hope to, you know, with with the science fiction that I started writing. I hope I could become successful with that. But I I don't care if my book sells millions of copies. I had to get it on paper. I had to get it down. I had to process these feelings. And while I was writing the book, I was processing these feelings. While I was illustrating my encounters, as I remember them, I was processing these feelings and now I've got a handle on it. I can talk about it without getting too emotional. Sometimes I get emotional.
>> Where can people go to find out more about your book?
>> Well, my book's available on Amazon and Barnes & Noble. You can find them on there. It's called Angst in the Shadows, a true story of alien abductions. And uh so this is a depiction of my uh second encounter uh the week after the garage encounter where I woke up and that that the tall gray that was on top of me uh he called himself Sizzle. Um that's what this is depicting. Um so yeah so that's that's available. And then my second book is called the blood covenant and that uh that talks about my theory regarding ancient astronaut theory. But if you go to my author website, you can find my blog, you can find my books, um and anything you need. It's called ericnastilauthor.com.
>> Do you have a contact form there in case people would like to ask you questions?
Yes, if they have any direct questions for me or if they want to share their own encounters, uh I'm willing to to have those discussions. Um, you know, uh there's so there's a contact form at eric nanillauthor.com.
>> Eric, before we finish up, can you leave us with a last positive message?
>> The Grays believe in what they're doing, even though I disagree with it. I I think I think there's a real beauty to humanity despite our self-destructive nature, our art, our music, our architecture, our poetry, everything that that is best about us. Uh the the dark side to that coin is our self-destructive nature. It's important that we emphasize uh the the beauty of our cultures, all of our cultures. I think Homo sapiens is worth saving, is worth preserving. Uh and if if the tall grays want to introduce homoexogenous to the planet Earth, they're they're already here. They're underground. But if they were to colonize the surface, I think it's worth trying to live together. And and it it wouldn't bother me. They would be different from us. They would be smarter than us. They would be wiser than us. They wouldn't speak. They would be telepathic. Would we be able to have telepathy with them in mass? I don't I think I could. I don't know about everybody, but um I I have telepathy with the tall grays and the short grays. I I don't know if I would have telepathy with the with the hybrids or not, but um I think we could live in harmony with them or at least give them their own continent um you know to you. But I we would have to figure out how to live peacefully. But I think it's worth it because I think the beauty of humanity is worth preserving and and I would hate to see us phased out like Neanderthalss were phased out by us. I would hate to be phased out by them. I I think we could live side by side and I would like to see that. So that's that's as positive as I can get about this.
>> Eric, thank you for your message and thank you for being my guest.
>> I was very happy to come here, Jeeoff. So I I very much appreciate it and uh you know I uh I hope your your guests uh en enjoy our discussion. Thanks for watching the Jeff Mara podcast. I really appreciate you. Another way to show support is through YouTube memberships. And if you do, there are loyalty badges and other perks depending on your level of membership. All you need to do is click the join button underneath the video to find out more. Thank you for your support.