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Hello everyone and welcome to my podcast Earth to Eternity. My name is Dean Hayek and I'm your host. On this podcast, we talk to people who have clinically died and have entered into eternity and have come back to share a very, very special word for you.
Today, our guest is Robert Stark. Robert died in a motorcycle accident and he is a walking miracle. Every doctor said he should not be alive today. Robert, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you, Dean. Thank you, Robert. It's great to have you here today. And if you would please share with us um go back to that moment right before your near-death experience and share with us where were you at in life, what were you doing? If you want to tell us where you grew up as well, please do share.
Sure. Um well, uh I was doing very well in life. Um, and I was heading home, uh, and at a high rate of speed, I hit a herd of deer at about 100 to 120 miles an hour, uh, on a motorcycle and I broke all of my right ribs, I punctured my right lung, broke my neck, uh, shattered my skull, broke both my eye sockets, uh, cracked my skull completely in half, and broke my crocia, the hardest bone in the human body, twice, and I'm now death in my right ear. Um and then I died um and I died multiple times uh three times total in 3 days from internal bleeding in the brain.
So wow, that is absolutely incredible. You really are a walking miracle.
So when when you your head hit the ground were you unconscious immediately and went to heaven right then and there or what happened?
It was pretty close to that. Uh, I had actually my head had hit the ground uh and while I'm and I slid down. I had horrible uh asphalt uh burn on my shoulders and my knees and my hand and my face uh and slid down the roadway. Um and I don't know if it was at that exact point. I know I died in that um essentially alongside the road, but I also died two times after that and then was in a coma for a period of time. And it was after I woke up from the coma and I believe at least to my understanding it was the second time we'll say uh that I died that I died and saw heaven. and I died and I saw heaven. Um, like no one, well, there's a very small number of people that had truly seen what I've seen. And when I say I died and saw heaven, I died and saw the real heaven, like the heaven that we go to.
Wow. I mean, Robert, so you died three times. And can you just tell us before you died, uh, what was your religious faith?
I was a Christian my entire life. Uh my first memory uh growing up as a child is in the church. Uh I had um given my life. I had just been rebaptized uh in a church that my family helped build in 1867 and then I died the next day. So that part is pretty astounding. Like I was in the purest form a human could be. Like I was just reborn of the water. uh was walking sinfree in this world. I'd been praying for God to make me more like Jesus and I got I got rebaptized uh reborn of the water and then I died the next day. And I mean I died the next day. Like that was that part uh is incredible. Like if there was ever any credit, no I shouldn't say uh if there was ever credit to be given to God, uh there's a lot of credit to give to God, but like that right there is a true testimony in and upon itself. Like just that part of being rebaptized, dying the next day, and then I died and saw heaven. And I died and saw heaven like Yeah.
So, Robert, tell us when you died the first time, what is the very very first thing that you remember? Do you remember your soul exiting your body, looking at your physical body? Take us from there step by step.
Oh, I definitely I So, um I can remember being outside of my body, seeing my body stand up, uh and having two people, uh who apparently came to my rescue try to hold me down. And I can remember watching those two people hold my body down cuz I was trying to get up apparently after this accident. And I can remember being outside of my body, seeing myself from the back, seeing two people on on either side of me, and them basically trying to force me back down to the ground uh for the ambulance to come cuz I I had uh damage from head to toe like Yeah. Like I needed I didn't need to be getting up and trying to walk. Uh that's for sure.
I see. And so what was your first uh afterlife encounter when you realized you entered into eternity?
Well, I can tell you this much. I remember um I remember my soul uh leaving this vessel as it says in the New Testament. Uh like Jesus told us uh this uh this body is nothing but a vessel that keeps our soul like literally like a streak of light. Uh and I mean a streak of light. I traveled some far distance. How far? I can't really tell you. But I was It was at night when I got in the accident and I remember getting brighter, brighter, brighter, and like I was being transported, taking upward uh somewhere else in like a streak going from black to white to uh really bright. And the next thing I know, I'm standing on essentially like a sheet of glass in the clouds. And when I say sheet of glass, like it was like walking on the clouds, um, but like a smooth, uh, cloud platform, uh, essentially like that went on for a very far distance, miles. And like I was walking on a sheet of glass and all of a sudden I'm standing on this sheet of glass in the clouds or on a cloud floor and I see God standing in front of me, Jesus Christ to the right of him, seven archangels to the right of Jesus, and then to God's left uh was Mary the mother of Jesus Christ, Joseph, the man that raised Jesus Christ, and John the Baptist. And they're all standing in a line shouldertosh shoulder essentially uh in front of me kind of ve a little bit uh back back and behind them are hundreds of angels and when I say hundreds of ang I mean hundreds of angels and there's this beautiful light that is shining in from the right to the left and like a prism of light and there's a there was a river of glass essentially that was behind all of them uh behind God and Jesus and the angels of he or well not the angels of heaven but God and Jesus and Mary Joseph the archangels and um in front of the angels was this river of glass uh that kind of went in between them uh two at the same time and it almost looked like it kind of poured down from a hill in the clouds and there was just literally hundreds of angels and this is this is what to me makes heaven paradise. The feeling that you have inside of you is amazing. Like God's love radiates through you. And and I mean it radiates through your soul. It's the best feeling a human well, we're not human at that point. We're a soul uh or a spirit or an angel or becoming an angel um in heaven. And the feeling was just amazing.
Wow. Wow. Do you remember what you were wearing? If you were wearing a garment, were you barefoot? Did you touch your hand? See if it's like see-through.
Well, I remember looking at my chest and I was still wearing essentially the same clothes that I had on uh to to my memory, but everyone else and not every quite everyone else, but all of the angels all had a white garment on that with a gold band uh that went around their neck. And all of the angels were all the same. We'll just say, yeah, just the same color. Like in our soul, we are all the same color. Like we're all the same. Like that's the most important thing it for anyone to know is that we are all the same. Like in our soul, like when our soul leaves this body and we go to heaven, we're all the same. Like there is no race of none of that. Like all of that is a world of the flesh thing in the in the in the spirit of heaven. Like we are all the same. Everyone had the same eye color, hair color, skin color, and they all had all the angels had on white robes that had no wrinkles. Their skin has no wrinkles cuz you don't have skin. Like in heaven, you don't have skin. You just have a soul uh that projects um essentially what we would call skin. Um but it's a it it's a soul. So a soul doesn't have doesn't have skin. And everyone had perfect, so it looked like all perfect skin, perfect hair color. Everyone looked to be about 33 years old. And someone had told me, you know, that's the age Jesus Christ died. And I'm like, that really makes a lot of sense. We all look 33 years old. And at the same time, one of the reasons we always feel young in our in our heart or in our soul, uh, even though our body ages is because our soul always stays the same age. Like we always feel 33 years old, the age Jesus died.
right? Forever young. That's beautiful.
Absolutely.
And and Robert, now were you standing in the throne room of God? Do you know what the name of that room was or place?
It was It wasn't a soul throne room. Uh for me, it was just a an outdoor area, like a complete outdoor area. I mean, with a glass floor look looks kind of like clouds on a glass floor uh with it like an outdoor area. Like I hadn't made it that hadn't made it that far. Uh I guess would be the best way to put it. I didn't get to see that much of uh the threshold of heaven. Um because I literally like I walked up to God after I died and God looked me dead in the eye and he says to me, "Hello, my son." And I said, "Hello, father." And I looked Jesus dead in the eye. And Jesus said to me, "Hello, my brother." And I said, "Hello, brother." And then I went to walk around John the Baptist. So like I'm standing here in front of God. There's Mary, Joseph, John the Baptist. They're all kind of beaded a little bit. And I go to walk around like 7 10 steps and get ready to take a step over the threshold of heaven, like the threshold of no return essentially. And I remember to this second picking up my right foot and getting ready to to put it down on the other side and God's head turns. Um like his his shoulder did turn, just his head turned. Uh and says, "Not yet, my son." And I turn around, I walk back to him. He said told me to share this story with as many people as possible. Uh to well the and the last thing that he said to me was uh save as many souls as possible. Like that's literally verbatim what God told me. Um and he had said some other things like you're going to be okay. You're going to heal. And uh for those that don't know uh like I had paralyzed the entire right side of my face. Uh I had all kinds of medical issues. Uh essentially we'll call it. Um and I had fully essentially fully healed beyond the expectations of anyone like and praise God for that. Like praise the Lord that he told me that I would heal and not to be not to be concerned, not to have any fear. Um and uh a number of other things that he told me too at the same time. But that's kind of the condensed version of the whole thing. in the last
that God told me was to save as many souls as possible.
And you know what? That's that's the great commission, isn't it? When Jesus told his disciples to go and share the good news with all the four corners of the earth. So,
Oh, absolutely.
Amazing. Amazing. And you know what's amazing to me is that Jesus said to you, "Hello, brother." Right. A lot of times we think of Jesus, you know, as Lord and and Father God, but even the Bible says we're co-inheritors uh with Christ. Now, before we move forward, um do you want to tell us more in detail uh what Jesus told you or would you like to go into when you died a second time and a third time?
Well, uh I mean, we can we can go into a little bit further. I want to go into detail like about what uh God and the angels well and the archangels and Jesus and Mary all kind of looked like. Um at least when I got there uh God had the same kind of white garment on uh with no wrinkles in it. Skins perfect. Uh he had long longer hair kind of down to his shoulders. Uh well yeah down to his shoulders. had a gold band that went around his neck. And of course, his skin was perfect. His entire garment was perfect. And the same with Jesus. Jesus kind of had longer hair, uh had a had a beard, uh that came down both sides. And he, and I think this is why, uh Jesus and Mary and Joseph and John all kind of looked a little different is so I knew who they were when I walked up to them. Well, I mean, it's kind of hard not to know Jesus, but Jesus had a white garment on uh or kind of like a white gown, I guess, would be a better way to describe it. Uh, but he had a brown uh garment over the top of that. And I guess that's kind of at least in my mind, uh, in a lot of people's minds, probably the way they'd picture Jesus, wearing something brown with longer hair, um, and a longer beard. Um, and Jesus was about 6' tall and God was about 5 foot 10, we'll say, something like that. And then Mary, she had on a blue gown with a white gown underneath it. Um, and I have and a covering over the top of her head. And like I've seen uh depicted in a lot of pictures. And then the archangels that I do want to touch on as well, they were like 7 feet tall. like they made Jesus look tiny. They had wings that came out of their back with like pearl hardened uh feathers. They kind of were uh kind of had a like it almost they they almost looked a metallic pearl uh with a kind of hued feather on them. And I remember looking uh to my left uh and to the right of Jesus. And that's what you know they say that Jesus is going to be on the the right right hand of God. Uh and the angels archangels are going to be beneath him or well you know I should say beneath but be next to him on his ride. And they were like it like they absolutely were and it was St. Michael, uh, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, and then the other three archangels. And I don't I didn't know their names. And I didn't know Uriel's name until I went to heaven. Like, didn't know it. Just absolutely didn't know it. But, um, I had done some research about that uh, just be just to learn more. Uh, and that's exactly what, uh, the scripture says. So, like what I really saw is really what our eternity is going to look like. And it's amazing. It is. It's beautiful.
Robert, now did the archangels uh communicate with you? Did Joseph talk to you or Mary?
No. No. Uh God did all the primarily all the all the talking. Uh like
And And was the talking audible like you and I are talking right now or was it telepathic?
No, it was audible. Yeah, at least at that point in time, I would I don't know once you cross that threshold if God's able to just communicate with uh with his thoughts uh with whatever our however our spirits uh communicate once we become angels cuz once you cross that threshold, you become an angel in heaven. Uh like
and other than Jesus saying, "Hello, brother." Uh did he say anything else to you?
No, Jesus did not say anything else to me uh other than that part. And God, yeah, like I said, God did all the the speaking after that. And something else that I should point out in the book of Revelations, uh, it kind of describes a little bit what I saw. And I I've had this, uh, constant Jesus is going to return um, kind of thought in my head. And I'm kind of wondering if what I saw was really like a message like Jesus is going to return because that's kind of what it's described about. Um, and I had even seen or I believe you had seen a photo of using an AI program that of trying to trying to make a little bit of what what I had seen. And it it's it's astounding. It has forever changed me since then. I've written five short books uh and had a sixth one uh completed that I hadn't published yet uh about the Old Testament. And I've read the Bible eight times. Well, probably nine times now since then, like I have uh poured through the scripture uh continuously. Uh since then, it's changed my life to the point where all I want to do is work for God and Jesus.
Amen.
Amen. A lot of people probably want to know how Jesus looked like. Uh are you familiar with the Aana painting?
No, sir. Um I'm sorry I'm not. Yeah.
No, no, that's okay. Iana was a young lady, a young painter and she drew the face of Jesus. Uh she called the painting Prince of Peace. Um but how how would you describe his facial features for those who are interested in the audience?
Well, he was Aramaic. Um and his cheeks were very smooth and kind of wide um with a strong cheekbone to it. Um and I mean kind of like kind of like a normalish uh forehead. I mean, forehead line. Um, but his cheeks were really wide, smooth, um, and had really strong cheekbones. I remember that part. And then his jawline, uh, came down and was tapered, uh, and kind of had a little bit more of a point to it. Um, yeah.
Long hair that, you know, or kind of short. How How would you
brown hair? Uh, brown beard. Uh, it was down to about his shoulders. Um, yeah. about, yeah, about the top of his shoulders, maybe a little bit lower. Uh, and the same with his beard was down. Uh, you know, kind of like God's God's hair and beard. Like they kind of looked well, I should say. Yeah, they they kind of they kind of they looked like father and son.
Yeah, you could definitely tell. So,
that's great. And was there anything in Jesus's eyes that were unusual or reflected deep love for you?
Um, not that I can recall. I I know I was so astounded by the feeling of God's love. Like God's love just radiates through your body, through your soul.
Um, like it's
it it it's the most amazing thing ever. Like absolutely ever.
Well, Jesus and the father are one. So if you're feeling that love, it's coming from Jesus as well.
Amen. And so when you saw the the father, no doubt when you were in his presence, you must have felt that amazing deep love that he has for you.
Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. There's there's definitely no feelings of uh concern, pain, fear, self-doubt, uh any of those feelings that we have in the flesh uh that are negative. Like God only wants us to feel his love. And in heaven we only feel his love like in it is uh you know there's no feelings of uh depression, anxiety, uh fear, none like none of that uh takes place. There's no concern about the future like like for all the viewers at home like just know like heaven is an ultimate paradise that we all must achieve uh try to achieve oneness with Jesus uh so we can get there.
Amen. Amen. And now let's go a little bit deeper into heaven. Were you able to see any animals in heaven? Any white horses like in Revelation or any of the creatures?
I didn't see uh any animals. uh like and I've been asked that uh several times and I'm a little disappointed like I didn't see I didn't but at the same time like I I was there for a period of time and not a long period of time and when you get there like you're I was so astonished and amazed like you don't really have like all of that time to take in those thoughts like and and like should I look for animals? Should I look for this? Like I was just I was astounded uh where I was like I was beyond astounded. Beyond.
Yeah. And and when you said you saw that glassy type river, is that the river of life in your opinion or
absolutely it is. It is 100% the river of life. It is. Yeah.
Can you stand I mean can you stand on it or you get in it? Is it wet? What?
You know, no, no one was standing on it. Uh they were standing either before it, after it, uh one of the two. Um but I would have to believe that you should be able to walk on it. But once you cross that threshold in heaven, I don't know. Uh like I never stepped over like literally I if I would have stepped over that threshold, there was no me coming back to life. Like there wasn't like there absolutely and I know that like
so if you if you took a drink from it right you would maybe stay there maybe right
could I mean in theory yes well and I will I will say this much in heaven like our in heaven we there's no food uh there's no water like there's none of those things cuz our soul doesn't eat doesn't drink doesn't sleep uh things like that like it we get all our nourishment from the father so like everything that we need is provided for us. Uh you know his house has uh an abundance of rooms in it and uh we all get to live there for eternity and that's the other part of what makes it a paradise. Like you don't have to pay rent, you don't have to or mortgage or utilities like none of that takes place in heaven.
Like it's it is uh those are all things that man created. So like
I agree. I mean I agree with you in the sense that we don't need food, we don't need water. I mean, but there is a a marriage supper of the lamb. Um other people who have gone to heaven have mentioned you know something about food or water but
you know everyone's experience might be a little bit different from from what you've seen.
Um, but take now take us to just back to earth for a moment. Um, at what point you realized, okay, I'm here in the hospital cuz you said you died three times. So, I guess I'm trying to figure out the timeline of everything. Uh, when you died the first time, was it in an ambulance?
And then second time, was it in a host and then you were in a coma? So, can you kind of take us back to Earth a little bit?
Sure. Well, uh, to let me put together the timeline like I died, uh, on the side of the road. ambulance brought me back to life. Uh then uh I woke up uh in the hospital uh briefly, just long enough to look over and see my mother and she said, "Robbie, you died last night." And then I don't remember anything. And then apparently I died again. Um, and then on August 4th, I believe it was, I woke up uh for a brief second and saw my mother again and she goes, "Robbie, you died again last night." And then going back through the paperwork, I died a total of three times. Um, but each time, well, I shouldn't say each time, but uh, two of the times I woke up, my mother was there and she's like, "Robbie, you died. You died again." Like, I'll never forget those words. Uh, like never. Uh, forget those words. Um, but I will also say once I once God told me uh the last thing he told me was save as many souls as possible, I turned around and walked away from God in like a streak of light. I mean, it went from being really bright, uh, being in heaven to a streak of light and like like traveling almost in a cylinder is what it felt like a little bit uh because it was a rounded view uh around me and I it went from uh bright light uh and got darker darker darker and then was black and then and then that was uh excuse me I don't know if that I don't know if that was the first time that I died or the second time, but I do know what life was like um when I died a time after that. Um like I God showed me something else. Um when I died either the second or the third time, we'll say um because I after I had my heaven experience and then I died again. Uh, I died and I saw what would either be um, purgatory or would be hell. Could be. It's debatable either way. Like I've done a lot of research, had a lot of conversations with a lot of people. Uh, and I it was either heaven or hell. And it essentially uh, kind of like being on earth uh, like being a ghost on earth. If you could imagine that in your head, like a ghostrunner TV show goes and looks for uh, you know, ghosts. like those are either people that are in purgatory or in hell. Either or. Um, and I know that I was in that purgatory like state that God showed me that uh to show me that, you know, here I'm going to show you heaven. I'm going to show you some sort of other place.
And I don't believe he showed me hell because what I saw didn't hurt. It didn't feel anything like it was kind of like being in the dark in pitch black uh and not being able to see anything. Um, like at all like just complete pitch pitch black and I would have to believe uh cuz I've watched ghost hunter shows and things like that. That's essentially the souls those people are trying to make contact with are either demonic spirits uh or those that haven't achieved heaven. And that heaven I know how amazing it felt. I do not want to know how horrible hell can feel. Like I don't even like saying the word. Like I absolutely don't even like saying the word because I don't want to know what that place feels like cuz I know how amazing heaven feels. Hell has to be the absolute most painful experience uh that it can be. Yeah. Absolutely.
Wow. And when you were in this black space of now, we don't know if it's purgatory and again the Bible is not very clear on that.
No.
Um and I know it's very very debatable. Um, but was that a place that God showed you where people do actually exist in that realm? Did you see people in that realm?
I I do not recall seeing any other souls, but I don't really believe, at least from what I saw, I would conclude that souls that are in that space cannot make contact with other souls that are in that space. I mean, like I didn't see anything else. Didn't see anybody else. Uh like I'm searching my memory uh trying to to find that. But I believe that was when I was in the hospital. uh you know probably the third time that I died that I had that experience uh but
there and I think that's kind of like a punishment too at the same time like for for myself uh and to share with other people is look you can achieve heaven you can achieve this place or you can achieve um hell and no one wants to achieve hell I can tell you that like after seeing heaven I don't want to see I don't I don't even like talking about it. I don't It gives me uh a very uncomfortable feeling just uh contemplating and discussing uh the options of souls going to something that painful and dark and horrendous. Like repent for the kingdom of heaven is near. Like like Jesus Jesus meant those words. Like everyone needs to repent and try to achieve oneness with Jesus. uh search your soul uh for any sins that you need to repent for uh to fully repent and uh live a life as as Jesus does.
Yeah.
No, certainly nobody would want to go to hell. I've heard people tell me, I mean, oh, I want to go to hell cuz it's going to be one big party and you know, ridiculous. It's just a lie from the devil.
Yes. And those who I have talked to who have experienced hell, they still think about it to this day. I mean, it's like PTSD, you know, they it doesn't go away. The images don't go away. And it's very, very real. Very real. And speaking of real, Robert, can you tell us how real was this experience in heaven and meeting Jesus and God the Father and the angels? Would you say it's more real than you and I talking right now?
Yes, absolutely I would. Um because since that experience that I had and seeing heaven like this this being here on earth doesn't make sense. Like it just doesn't like I don't understand people. I it's almost like I'm autistic. I'm like why why are people acting this? Like it had a I was a very loving empathetic person. uh like I very much uh tried to keep in my soul uh the spirit of Jesus. So like a lot of this world didn't make sense to me before, but afterwards like having conversations with people that aren't true believers is really kind of difficult for me. Like all I want to do is talk about God, Jesus Christ. Uh like I volunteer for a prayer line. Like I pray for people. uh like I've uh dedicated my life trying to find an avenue and to to make a gainful uh to make an impact but in this world of the flesh we still have to have uh revenue coming in uh to be able to actually um you know afford this world of the flesh and finding the right avenues in which to do that has been the most difficult part um and still working for God and Jesus Christ because being uh well at that time I was 44 years old now I'm 46 years old uh at this age it's kind of like, hm, what am I supposed to do? You know, like how how do I make a complete career change and not I mean start at the bottom somehow um but be able to have uh gainful employment uh at the same time to at least be able to have a decent standard of living. So
absolutely the hard part.
Absolutely. Now, Robert, did God show you anything pertaining the last days, um, the coming, you know, of of the rapture or anything about the eminence of the world right now? Did he convey a sense of urgency to you?
I mean, he told me uh to save as many souls as possible in the way everyone was lined up in the way they were there was angels behind them. like it was almost like an army of 144 or 140,000 like and I've thought about that like I've read through the book of Revelations a number of times and I'm like really what I saw reminds me in a lot of ways and the conclusion could be drawn that what I saw was like uh you know the like the the army uh in heaven essentially uh and God telling me like save as many souls as possible and there's been a lot of people over the last year, year and a half that I've seen that have discussed you know Jesus is coming Jesus like it is a constant theme like and I'm not going to be the only person that's going to have that point of view uh when the angels of heaven essentially they come to earth and they do the work of God essentially and they try to influence our lives in positive ways uh and they give us great and amazing things great amazing gifts um and there's a spiritual battle uh that is going on like there's uh demons, fallen angels uh and um those souls uh that are children of Satan. Like do you have children of God and you have children of Satan that are born into this world of the flesh and like there's a constant battle in both ways and there's a battle going on that we can't see. Like Jesus spoke about that.
Yes. And now you haven't seen any demonic uh entities, right? You didn't see any of that.
No. But I will tell you this much. I've had a a house cleansed. uh because of I had six people tell me there's something demonic in the basement. Like they didn't feel comfortable being in the house. They all told me independently. Like I've had a lot of really hyper religious experiences uh that the average person doesn't ever have. like I had a religious experience at age three in a church which is why uh the first that's my first memory uh uh basically of seeing angels in church more or less and telling people about it like and I've always I've always had uh like I knew right from wrong at a young age you know just kind of like Jesus did in Isaiah 7:14 uh you know like talking about Emanuel being born of a virgin and I've always had this I wouldn't call it an obsession but this deep-seated feeling of uh being a child of God. Like, and a lot of amazing things have happened to me. I I should be dead a lot more than what I should have been. And like somehow I always came out of things completely unscathed. I mean, completely unscathed. I' I've been in uh two motor vehicle accidents that anyone would have died in. Like anyone flattened vehicles of you know of
Yeah. uh tell us what the doctors actually said about the about your reports. I mean, what what were they all telling and describe what counties they're from and so forth.
Well, uh all the doctors at Slooh um and um well, yeah, Slooh Hospital, which is the level one trauma center, um that I basically spent uh 6 months more or less in. Um that's the easiest way in which to describe it. And then I went out to Newport Beach to Orange County uh to Hogue Hospital uh to talk to them about getting a cranial implant because the right side of my face uh wouldn't work properly. And I'm not kidding you, when I got there. Uh the the day before my appointment, the right side of my face starts working. Like all of a sudden, God's like, "No, I got this." Like have have faith in the Lord. Uh and all the glory goes to God because, you know, it's not it's not me, it's God. Uh so like all of those doctors and the doctors even at Hog like the first thing they always said to me was after they looked through my MRIs uh in my first uh 12 days in the hospital, they're like how are you alive? Every one of them like they're how are you alive? And my response was cuz I had this full-on heaven experience uh and saw God. I'm like, God. And I I would have given God the credit beforehand, but having the experience I had, I'm like, I know it's God. Uh just like you and I sitting here on the phone together, I told you uh a few days ago, uh you're like, "Okay, uh let's uh do an interview." And I already knew that was going to happen. So, uh there was a certain timeline uh that that was that things like that were supposed to happen. And like when I say I work for a prayer line, like I have so many people that call in and tell me that their prayers got answered after I prayed for them. I'm like I there's that part um is amazing. And I've had a lot of my own prayers answered. And I've walked into uh blessings from the Lord uh since my accident uh that can only be described as blessings from the Lord. Like God giving me things that I didn't know I needed. I'm like, what do I need this for? Um, you know, and all of a sudden, God's giving me, you know, this gift of feeding me with the mana from heaven, you know,
sounds like you have the gift of knowledge and which leads me to my next question to you. After this experience, do you feel that you have received these supernatural uh giftings where you can see more in the spirit, if you will?
Oh, absolutely. And I can see how angels are trying to influence others um in a positive way. Well, angels only influence others in positive ways. That needs to be clarified. Um, but uh I see how angels are trying to influence others, trying to help others, trying to get others to come uh to the to the life and the love of God uh and Jesus and and to really give the credit to God because that's really what God wants. Like God's not a an egotistical narcissist like like but he created all this. He wants us all to come to heaven. There's certain things that we have to do. We have a predestined uh life that God wants us to live. And God tries to use the angels of heaven to get us kind of like hurting like I I trained horses for a long time. kind of like hurting horses, you know, like trying to get them to go a certain way and do things and like, hey, like, no, don't do this. Like, come on, let's go this way. Like, like, uh, that it's it's literally God treats us the same way with the angels of heaven. Uh, essentially kind of the angels of heaven are our herders. Uh, they hurt us to try to get us to where God really wants us at or where we're going to make the most impact for him because God wants all of us to come to heaven. He wants all of his family in heaven. and we were created in his image. Uh the reason we have consciousness is because of him. Like I know things about about God, heaven, and mankind. uh that I didn't know uh you know when this all started like I can literally I could sit up here for two hours and you can keep asking me questions and I through through God and the angels of heaven and I can answer most of those questions and I feel like I'm kind of an authority on heaven and an authority on angels and an authority on the New Testament because that's like God's the same in the Old Testament and the New Testament. God does great and amazing things just like he does in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, Jesus tells us how to get to heaven. And it's following uh the teachings of Jesus that a lot of Christians fall short. Like they're like, "Oh yeah, I I believe in God. Uh I believe in Jesus, but I'm going to go lie, manipulate, cheat, and steal. Uh you know, and you can't do those things and then expect to actually achieve heaven because lies uh counteract what God truly wants us to do. God wants us all to tell the truth because the angels are kind of trying to influence our words. And when we don't tell the truth or we don't do we don't love thy neighbor as we love thyself or we don't stop and help somebody on the side of the road. Like I was notorious for changing strangers tires for a long time. I loved stopping on the side of the road. Like I just did it. Like I just see I see a woman uh broke down on the side of the road. I'm stopping. Like like I'm not driving past that. Like God wants me to help that person. So uh and it's kind of like doing those things. Uh like God, that's how God wants us to all really live is in the love that God has for us all and he wants his love to be seen through us and for us to love the world. Just like Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as you love thyself." Like people don't quite understand that. They don't grasp that. Now, is every day going to be beautiful? No. Are there going to be some difficult times? Yes. But the difficult times are only either correction from God or uh us not following the path that God really wants us on.
Well, Robert, let's talk about this real quick. There's that once saved, always saved, uh, you know, type thing that's preached out there, and I've heard so many different, you know, um, arguments regarding this matter. I know that there are Christians who love the Lord Jesus, but they struggle with maybe lust, uh maybe drinking, smoking, etc. Are they going to hell? You know, I think that's a topic that a lot of Christians want to kind of know about. And I know at the same time, we need to repent and be right with the Lord Jesus. So,
yes.
Can can you share that with us? What's the enemy's number one attack um on believers and non-believers alike that you can share with us that you see?
The number one attack uh that I see is the sin against uh the self and others. Uh like Moses gave us the ten commandments uh that Jesus didn't come to break like as he he he came to uphold the law but then he also told us more. You know, there's uh lust, greed, malice, gluttony, um and well, lying, which is a big one. Uh like God wants I know the Lord wants me to say that like lying is a big one. Uh and manipulation uh hurting others uh through gossip. Like there's so many things that judging others. Like I I I talk to people at times and I'm like and I and sometimes I tell them, sometimes I don't. I probably should always tell them, but I'm like, you know, you're sinning, right? Like people that judge others or that are gossiping uh you know or looking down upon others uh because of something uh that's going on like God, they have to truly repent from all of those things. And true repentance is moving away from it and never sinning again in that way. And once you become conscious of that sin uh and then you sin again in that manner, God can make your life worse. And then people are like, why am I going on this uh like this whole difficult uh thing? Well, sin and God doesn't want you to sin anymore. And that's why things just keep kind of keep getting more and more difficult. You need I shouldn't say because there's a lot of variables that go into anything that's going on in anyone's life. But I would start with sin like in looking at sin. Uh but the enemy, Satan, uh and I rebuke Satan in the name of God, Jesus Christ. Amen. But the enemy, the dark one, uh and him and his dominions tried to get us uh to uh to sin, whatever that sin is. Uh like it for being men. Uh you know, lust. Look looking at a pretty girl. Uh you know, is it lust just to look and say, "Oh, that that that girl's pretty." or is it lust to look at that girl uh and have other thoughts? Uh, and I can't tell you which it is, but I can tell you this much, like I don't even like looking at a a pretty woman and acknowledging that they're pretty because I'm afraid that's a sin and I'm repenting for that. You know, I'm just like that's how uh like how repentant I am. Like I try to do everything as uh sinfree as humanly possible. like if it's a sin or it looks like it could be a sin um or anything. I'm like, "Well, I'm repenting uh just for having that thought." Like, is it the thought, you know, just just to have a thought? Uh is that a sin? I'm like, I'm going to repent either way. Uh you know, and ask Jesus to forgive us through uh God our father, you know, like he he is the creator of us all.
It's definitely definitely challenging, isn't it? Um living in this world. uh but we're not of this world but just living in this world it's definitely very very challenging and many many Christians I'm
Sure, uh, feel discouraged, right? I mean, I'm not perfect, right? And at times, I, you know, when I've sinned, I've gone before the Lord to repent. But I know that, um, if, if I continue to live in sin, just like you said, the Lord is not going to make my life an easy pathway.
No, he chastises, uh, uh, those whom he loves. Um, and, and I'm sure with your experience, you know, where your faith turned into sight and, and being in God's holy presence, and it felt more real than this conversation, than this very earth, than this very ground we're standing on. That must have transformed you, which is what I want to get into next. Is how would you say this experience has changed your life going forward?
It's changed my life in every aspect of my life. Uh, there isn't a single part of me, uh, that is the, well, I mean, I was trying, and I'll be honest, like I was trying to be as sin-free as possible beforehand, like right up to when I died. And now I, I try my best, and we do fall short at times. Um, but at times, you also have to remember that sin, uh, that whatever, like that's a, that's a demonic presence that's trying to get you to sin.
Uh, it is, I mean, children don't sin. Like it says, you have to have the innocence of a child to actually achieve heaven. And the reason is, is, you know, a six-year-old child doesn't sin like normally. Like they don't sin. They don't, they don't lie, cheat, steal. They don't have greed. Uh, you know, they honor their mother and father and things like that, like typically. Um, uh, and it's having that innocence of a child, uh, living sin-free. Like I got taken advantage of because, uh, a couple times financially, uh, after my accident, uh, because I was trying to live sin-free. But I also have to remember I'm living in the world of the flesh. So here I am getting attacked by, and I didn't know I was getting attacked, but I'm like, oh, like we still have to be ever-present in this world of the flesh and do the work of God and do the, do work that we don't want to do, uh, when we're being, uh, we're being attacked, uh, essentially. Like, don't ever think that just because, uh, a person believes in Jesus and repents and does all this stuff, like you're still going to face trials and tribulations. And it's not going to be really from God. It's going to be from the darkness that got rebuked out of heaven.
Uh, you know, like that, that's, uh, the number one obstacle, uh, is God only wants souls that have a softened heart, a pure heart, a heart of forgiveness, a heart of love, and a mind and a soul of that. And when the heart becomes ill, uh, so does the mind and so does the soul. So you have, we have to have, um, a true heart of love, but at the same time, not be taken advantage of.
Because, like, and that does happen, like it does. There's people that will take advantage of, of true Christians all the time. Like, yes.
And Robert, um, as we conclude our show here, um, is there anything else regarding your afterlife experience that you want to share with our viewers today?
The main point that I would want to share is heaven is real. The Bible's real. Uh, Jesus is real. It's all real. Please read the New Testament at least. Read the teachings. Get a, get a Bible or the Bible app. Read everything in red, at least everything that Jesus said. You may not want, you, I mean, it does help to read everything else, uh, but read what Jesus said and listen to what he said and try to live a life that as he instructs us and teaches us to, because he taught us the correct way, or the correct way to live and how to achieve heaven. Because there's a lot of people that don't realize that until either later in life, or they don't realize that and then they pass on. And I don't want to see anybody go to hell, as God told me, save as many souls as possible. So that's, that's my advice to anyone that hears this. Follow the teachings of Jesus. Take it seriously.
Do you have any favorite passage of scripture that you'd like to share with everyone? I know there's many, but.
Oh, yeah. There's, there's a lot. I kind of go into a little bit of a sabotage mode there. I'm like, "Ooh, I'm like, wow, there's a lot." Um, my single favorite scripture is, uh, one Corinthians 13:13 that Paul wrote. Paul wrote the majority of Corinthians when he was in jail. Uh, but one Corinthians 13:13, "But these three remain. Faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love."
And that is, that's, that's God right there. Faith, hope, and love.
Amen.
Amen. Well, Robert, what I'd like you to do is give an invitation to somebody listening. There's got to be somebody who's watching. They're saying, "Well, I want to go to heaven, but I don't know what to do. I've never gone to church. I don't even know if I really believe in that stuff. But if I do die, because we're all going to die one day, I want to be able to go where Robert went." Robert, can you share with that person, with our viewers, how you get to heaven and give them an invitation and say a prayer for them?
Absolutely. Uh, let me answer the first part of that. As Jesus got baptized by John the Baptist, spent 40 days and 40 nights in the desert, the first thing that he said after he spent 40 days and 40 nights in the desert was, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." If there was anything that was in, and you need to understand the word repent, but if there was anything that was more important, that would have been the first thing Jesus said. And that's, uh, that's the absolute truth because Jesus walks out of the desert, spends 40 days being attacked by Satan, defeats Satan through scripture. Uh, and it says he only used three pieces of scripture. I'm sure he used more than that. They just weren't able to kind of put it all together. Like if everything that Jesus did was written down, the books wouldn't fill this room, or would fill this room. Uh, like, really would. Uh, but, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." Like, it is all really real. I tell you that God sent me back with that message to save your soul. It is real.
And when you say repent, can you explain to our viewers what does repent really mean?
Uh, soften your heart. Follow the teachings of Jesus. Soften your heart. Love thy neighbor as you love thyself. Move away from lust, greed, malice, gluttony. Uh, no one sin is worse than the other. Like, if you break, uh, one of the ten commandments and you're a glutton person that just does nothing but lay in bed and doesn't do any, and I'm not saying you really have to do anything, but doesn't do anything, uh, get up, exercise. God intended us to go outside, move around, uh, like not to fall into our sin. And to truly repent, uh, for a person that's glutton would be to get outside and just walk, exercise, eat healthy, uh, eat the food that God gave us. Uh, you know, meats, vegetables, fruits, like eat what God gave us. Uh, because not eating what God gives us, uh, sure is a lot like sin. Like, and I mean, like I eat my fair share of ice cream, and God didn't give us ice cream. But I'm just saying, uh, but being a gluttonous person, uh, you know, that's just one example, uh, of how to truly repent for sin, um, is to, to be an active person, have joy, uh, have a heart of forgiveness. Check in with your family members. Love your family members. God gave you that family for a reason, uh, to love them, like love every unification of family is one of the biggest things that I've talked about since I've gone to heaven and came back. God wants us all. God didn't, didn't intend for all of us to just not live more or less under the same roof. I mean, that's kind of how God really intended it all to be. Uh, now, I'm not saying you got to move in, uh, with your family members, but be there for your family members at their time of need. Like, be there for them. That is, uh, beyond important.
Yes. So repenting is turning away completely from the sin that you are committing, uh, right now, knowing in your heart that it's wrong. We are all with conscience. And the word conscience literally means with knowledge, right? Con, with science, is the other part of conscience, means we all, um, have that knowledge. We know intuitively the difference between right and wrong. So what Robert is saying, you know, when you're doing wrong, turn away completely. Now, Robert, uh, what I'd like you to, to do next is to tell people, um, you know, how to accept Jesus Christ in their heart. And if you could lead us in a prayer, please.
Absolutely. Uh, to accept Jesus in your heart is to truly, uh, love, love people. Let go of the hardness, the hardening of the heart, uh, and just to love others. Love them as you would love yourself. That is, the Jesus gave us a number of commandments about love, uh, that people really don't take to heart. And God wants you to take that to heart and to love, just to love. And in this world of the flesh, like loving is like weakness. No, it is not weakness. Loving is strength. It takes a strong person to love. It takes a weak person, uh, to not love.
Amen.
Amen. And then, uh, if I'll go ahead and lead us a prayer, if you like.
Yes, please do, Robert.
Dear God, our Father, dear Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Father, we come to you in the name of Jesus Christ at our time of need and prayer. Father, please lift up anyone that hears and sees this. Uh, lift them up in your everlasting love and your everlasting light. Father, put the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit, uh, Jesus and the angels of heaven in them and all around them. Put them in the heart of hearts, their souls, souls, their minds, minds. Put them in their hearts, their minds, their souls, and their bodies. Father, let them know that they are loved. Let them know that they are healed. Let them know that there's healing for a broken heart in Jesus. Uh, that Jesus came truly, uh, to love us all, uh, and to show us the miracles that God can truly do in everyone's life each and every day if they accept Jesus and, and allow the Lord to move in their life. And do it while you're young. Do it while you have time, and so you can live an abundant life. In the name of God and Jesus Christ, we pray, we give thanks, and we know this to be true. Amen.
Father, Amen.
Amen. Amen. Amen.
Amen. Robert, thank you so much for sharing your testimony, your experience, uh, with our viewers and our audience today. I'm sure, um, that somebody out there listening is aching for Christ, aching to get into heaven. And we're just so grateful because what we want to tell our viewers is that you're not here by accident. God drew you to watch this podcast because God is chasing you. He is after you. He loves you so much. He came down from heaven and he died on that cross for you. You just have to simply say, "Lord Jesus, come into my heart. Be my savior. Be my Lord. Help me, Lord, to turn away from all my sins." And if you really and truly mean that with all your heart, the Bible says you become a new creation. You've passed from death unto life. And it happens just like that. So thank you for listening. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in today. If Robert, anybody wants to, uh, reach you or if they want to donate to your ministry, is there an email address that you can share with our audience today?
Uh, yes. Uh, that email address would be Robert R stock, S, the number 8, at iCloud.com. Easiest way to get a hold of me. And I would love to talk to anyone, or you can, uh, find me on Facebook. Uh, that's also another good way. I check my messages and things like that. And I've gotten in contact with a lot of people, hundreds of people. I mean, the Lord's put so many people in my life. It's, it's been amazing. Uh, people from other countries, uh, Pakistan, India, um, Africa. I, I talk to so many different people. It's astounding. And God has just, uh, shown me how blessed we are here in the United States too, at the same time. So just know we are so blessed. It's amazing.
Indeed. Well, thank you again, Robert. Once again, audience, it's Robert stock, the number 8, at iCloud.com. If anything, just shoot him a message. Uh, request a prayer. He's a prayer warrior. Um, or just say thank you for your ministry. That will go a long, long way. And if you wish to support him, um, I'm sure that you can send him to that account as well. But thank you all once again for tuning in. If you've really enjoyed this podcast and you want to see many, many more podcasts like this, I'd encourage you to hit the like button and subscribe to our channel. Thank you all so much. Once again, I'm Dean Hayek. God bless you all, and we'll see you again on our next podcast. God bless you.
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