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And this is, I guess, where it counts. Is to me, that means that we go over things in great detail, but not just the incident itself. Ultimately, whether it's to you or to somebody else, because basically, it all began in Washington state. That is, that's where I was living, that's where I grew up as a kid, and that's where I grew up as a young man. And and those kinds of, uh, impulses and behaviors which ultimately led to the violent behavior, you know, occurred, if you will, in Washington state. That the kind of broad understanding that I'm looking for is, uh, going to come, you know, during those years I lived in Washington State. Uh, you know, unfortunately, I guess from your standpoint, it was Washington, basically Washington state where those first crimes, incidences, murders that took place.
Well, let's just do one here. I mean, we've got to start somewhere, and I think it might, we might, it's a long shot, it's a pretty long shot that you might be able to get something out of it, at least some of that so-called tangible, uh, evidence that might be of some value, not only to you but to others. And maybe a bit of information, even if you don't find anything else, it might be of some value to families. Okay, so we'll do. I understand that the es claw site, which I could describe to you, would describe to you if you want. They were three, uh, remains of three individuals found, two identified and one not because of the, the, uh, so few, the kinds of remains that were found were so few, unidentifiable.
Okay, what do you want? Where is this description of the site first? How do you get there? I mean, you just don't, you just don't make this up, right? Maybe half a mile, quarter mile down this, uh, little side road. If you turn, if you kept on flying all the way down, oh, well, Lord knows what, what the little creatures up there did, what the animals would have done. But I think, well, let's, let me start with one. Let me start this way. Um, the unidentified remains, um, this is where I'm a little bit. The presence of the officers down here is a little bit unnerving. Some of it, some of the stuff I don't mind talking about because they wouldn't know from Adam, but I, but name, I can write it down or I can whisper it to you or whatever. I just don't want the police getting any kind of names at this point.
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Well, if you can, can you hear that? I can hear it. Yeah. Okay. I just wrote, I just said that the Hawkins girl's head was severed and taken up the road about 25 to 50 yards and buried in a location about 10 yards west of the road on a rocky hillside. Did you hear that? Mhm. Yeah. But not anything you would have found, that I know of. If you'd, you would have found probably, you would have found damage to the head, the jaw in particular, probably broken. But if you'd found that, you would have known who it was. But anyway, I don't know. Reason you asked me that question. Uh, I was moving up the alley, uh, using a, uh, briefcase and some crutches, and the young woman walked down. I saw, saw her round the, the north end of the block into the alley and stopped for a moment, and then keep on walking down the alley toward me. And about halfway down the block, I encountered her and asked her to help me carry the briefcase, which she did. We walked back up the alley, across the street, turned right on the sidewalk in front of, I think, the, well, fraternity house on the corner there, uh, rounded the corner to the left, going north on 47th. Well, midway in the block, there used to be a, you know, one of those parking lots that he used to make out of burned down houses in that area. See, we were to the, to the car, to the car. All right.
Um, and basically, when I reached the car, what happened was I knocked her, knocked her unconscious with the crowbar. Where'd you have that? By the car. Outside. Outside and back of the car. Did you see it? No. And then, uh, there was some, there was some handcuffs there along with the crowbar, along with what? The crowbar and, uh, handcuffed her and put her in the driver's, I mean, the passenger side of the car and drove away. Oh, no, no. She was quite, not, she was unconscious, but she was very much alive. One of the things that makes it a little bit, among the things that makes it difficult, is that at this point, she was quite lucid, talking about things about some, it's funny, it's funny, but it's odd. The kinds of things people say under those circumstances. And she thought she said that she thought that she had a Spanish test the next day, and she thought that I had taken her to help tune me for a Spanish test. It's kind of odd, odd thing to say.
A long and short of it, I mean, I'm going to maybe try to make this, get there by degrees. Long and short of it was that, that I again knocked her unconscious and strangled her and dragged her into about 10 yards into the small grove of trees that was there. Cord, an old, an old piece of an old piece of rope. Yeah, something was in the car then. I, uh, packed the car up. By this time, it was almost dawn. It's just about dawn, sun was coming up. And I went through my usual, I say usual routine. I went through this routine where I was just absolutely, I would go through this. But on this particular morning, I, I was just absolutely again, just shocked, kind of scared to death, shot, horrified about. And I went down the road, threw everything that I had had. The briefcase out the window, throwing the briefcase, the, the crutches, the rope, the clothes, just tossing out the window. This was just, I was in a sheer state of panic, of just absolute horror. You know, it's like, at that point in time, consciousness of what has really happened, it's like you break out of a fever or something. I would, that is. And so I would, I drove north on 90, northeast on 90, some point throwing articles out the window as I went, articles of clothing, shoes, etc.
Remains? What? Well, after we got out of the car, initially, okay. Well, I skipped over some stuff there and we'll have to get back to it sometime, but I don't feel, I just, it's just too hard for me to talk about right now. Oh, sure. Yeah. I threw away the briefcase and the crutches and all that stuff, and the crowbar, everything, the handcuffs, everything. I, I get mad at myself a few weeks later because I'd have to go out and buy another pair. I mean, it's not comical, but that's what would happen. Well, I think Spanish does good. Ask me, that's what she said, unless she was hallucinating. She said her, everybody called her George. George, that's what she said. Or how about that? She used a safety pin because apparently blue slacks were a bit too big. Or that's about all I know. I mean, I mean, I suppose there's, there's, you know, I'm sure there're bits and pieces that'll come back to me, but there wasn't a lot, you know, obviously there wasn't a lot of conversation. But talk about details coming back. I couldn't find one of the shoes, so I thought it was there, but it wasn't. So I went back. This was, this was the next day. Got on my bicycle, rode back to that little parking lot. I knew there were police all over the place by that time, but I was kind of nervous because, and I'll tell you why in a minute, because I had left, and my car had been parked there. Somebody may have seen it. Now, something was found there that might connect me. So I went back to that parking lot and I found both pierced ear, the, the pierced earrings and the shoe laying in the parking lot at about 5:00 in the afternoon. So I surreptitiously gathered them up and rode off. After police, well, you can tell me, I'd seen them. I'd seen whole streams of them driving around all over the place, but they were concentrating on places like, uh, the park, uh, nearby park. I don't know if, I don't, I'll bet you they couldn't have looked in that parking lot and missed the, the patent leather, white patent leather clog and the two white pierced earrings, hoops.
More than two weeks before that, I'd been doing using the same motorcycle, Randy, in the same neighborhood, in this, and in front of, in front now of the same sorority house George Hawkins disappeared from. I encountered a girl going out the door and asked her to help me. Walked her all the way to that lot, 11:00 on a Friday night. And I was, I was drunk. I was drunk and I was just babbling on. And I told her I worked in Olympia but I lived in a rooming house. I mean, I was just, I was horrified later on. But, uh, yes, more or less, but yes, that was basically part of the MO at that time. You, but I reached the, got all the way to the car and it's happened, would happen sometimes, and just said, no, I don't want to do it. I said, thank you, see you later. She walked away. But after, after the Hawkins thing, I was, you know, just paranoid as hell that this girl would say, you know, something weird happened to me. Couple weeks ago, this guy came along with crutches and asked me to help him. He took me to a Volkswagen, said he worked in Olympia and lived here in the University District. How many people could that apply to? So there you are. But of course, after, you know, in June, after a week, it's, you know, what with all the local, the wildlife, but there's not much left.
Were you going back? Well, that's, I don't want to talk about that right now. We will talk about it someday, but I don't have, I, we don't, not I don't really have enough to give you the background on that. I want us to work into that. Did you ever bury anybody? Oh, yes. Yeah. I mean, in my, yeah, in my, uh, you might say my more, uh, coherent, not coherent, that's when I was really going all out to, and took my time. Yeah, I did. And I mean, it's, it's quite clear. I mean, there's no question about almost without question, those who have been found were not, and those who haven't been found were buried.