Investigating the Epstein File Cover-Up

Jeffrey Epstein. >> Jeffrey Epstein. >> Jeffrey Epstein. >> Jeffrey Epstein.

It's just very strange for a lot of people that the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public.

Yeah, it's it's very interesting, isn't it?

So, if you were able to you'll be >> Yeah, I'd certainly take a look at it. This is a Democrat hoax. Yeah, I'd be inclined to do the Epstein. I'd have no problem with it.

He is now calling it a Democratic hoax. The Epstein saga is not a hoax.

Evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either MSAD, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence.

But the bottom line is the records are getting out.

The president says then a politicized hoax. What the hell are they afraid of?

Two years ago, we talked about releasing the Epson files. Last night, I was shocked to hear you voted against releasing the Epson files. You got a lot of people that could be mentioned in those files that don't deserve to be.

And you're really calling the women who were in tears talking about in junior high a hoax. How demeaning. How insulting.

In junior high?

In junior high. Some 13, 14 years old. [Music] I wanted to look into the Epstein file cover up, but I didn't want to risk offending the president or doubting the FBI director's official narrative or making our politicians feel uncomfortable by asking too many questions. You know what? [ __ ] that. I'm not apologizing for anything. It's time to go gloves off. These people are lying to us. And I don't care whether it's Biden, Camala, Trump. If you are in charge of our country and you're hiding protecting a billionaire sex trafficking your ring, then we the people are coming after you and have every right to demand the answers. In fact, we pay each and every day with our paycheck to demand answers and accountability from you. And our president, Donald Trump, actually talked about the Epstein files. Here's what him and his administration said before they won the election.

Yeah, I'd be inclined to do the Epstein. I'd have no problem with it.

Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. That that is an important thing.

It's pretty sick what that man did. 200 victims, well over over 250 actually.

Who has Jeffrey Epstein's >> Blackbook?

Blackbook.

FBI as a former number two in the IC. They overclassify 50% of the stuff there to protect the deep state. Oh no, you can't see that. Nothing to see here. And now that these people are in power, here's what they are saying.

Look, the whole thing is a hoax. It's put out by the Democrats because we've had the most successful six months in the history of our country. This is a Democrat hoax that never ends.

20 years ago or whenever it was, 2006 78, Epste gets his sweetheart plea deal, right? I wasn't I wasn't in power there. I wasn't in place there. I, you know, nothing to do with it. But

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? I put out a poll on my YouTube channel and 115,000 of you replied and 96% of you said that the government is a bunch of filthy liars when it comes to the official narrative on the Epstein story. So me and my team boarded a plane and we flew to Washington DC to launch a fullscale investigation. In doing so, we talked to United States senators, guys like Chuck Schumer, Ron Johnson, and Ran Paul, as well as representatives like Nancy Mace, Hank Johnson, and the man that's leading the charge to push for transparency, Representative Ro Conor. Furthermore, we joined forces with one of the top conspiracy theory experts on the internet, Mr. Ian Carroll. And we also spoke with a guy by the name of Mike Yagley, a man who works with all of your favorite three-letter agencies and claims to have seen a version of the Epstein files himself. We get into this and much much more. [Music] We are here in Washington DC, the beating heart of where it all goes down. And today we're looking into what might be the biggest cover up in American history, the Epstein file list. the fact that the elites, the billionaires, the well-connected might be in a ring right before our eyes and they are lying to our face about it.

This is a Democrat hoax. They're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president.

And I want you to suspend your tribalism for a moment. I don't care if you're Democrat, Republican, or somewhere in between. Uh this is about the truth. This isn't about one party or the other. I actually think they're probably both complicit in this. We're going to get to the bottom of this because I think this is very important. So, join me as we question and we do one of the most American things there is, which is to question authority, demand the truth, and get the knowledge out to the people. We the people who fund all of this. Let's begin. [Music] My name is Ian Carroll and I'm an independent journalist, researcher, content creator and my slogan is follow the money, seek the truth. Jeffrey Epstein was an unqualified math teacher for the wealthiest of the wealthy that then got recruited to be an unqualified banker that then kind of failed out of banking during a scandal and somewhere in there he got hooked up with human traffickers and black mailers and started what appears to be the world's largest known sexual blackmail trafficking ring. One of the guys leading the charges of encouraging the government to release the files is representative Ro Kana from California. Roana, a Democratic congressman representing San Francisco, is co-leading the charge with Kentucky Republican Thomas Massie to force a release of the Epstein files. Seen on popular podcasts like Theo and Flagrren, he is a politician who is determined to be transparent. He's coming to the Airbnb. Hey, good to meet you. How are you? Thank you for coming through. Nice to meet you. And he had this whole scheme where if you were rich and if you were powerful, you basically got away with assaulting girls. And then these rich and powerful men said, "What are you going to do about it?" Proceed to blackmail most of the most powerful people all around the world, which now is the story that's broken all over everyone's newspapers and Twitter feeds. and he took that blackmail ring straight into the White House and visited Bill Clinton 17 times in the White House with the likes of Robert Maxwell and Ahood Barack directly linked to the Israeli government. And Leslie Wexner bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein. And that's not just a matter of speech. He signed over power of attorney to Jeffrey Epstein. So Jeffrey Epstein could have sold Victoria's Secret on behalf of Lesie Wexner. [Music] I got to say, I don't wear a suit often anymore, but I feel at least 10 IQ points higher right now. Feel good. I feel quite patriotic today. Getting the chance to talk to our elected officials and demand accountability to me is uh something that makes me very proud to be an American. [Music] I was I was inviting [Music] So, we're here with Representative Nancy Mace, one of the people that is leading the charge to expose the Epstein files. Let's just start with the basics. Do you think Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?

Uh, well, we don't have the camera evidence. We don't I mean, isn't Wasn't the angle of the camera wasn't there?

I have no reason to believe that he didn't. You don't think that there are suspicious details surrounding his death that security cameras magically given off? The security guards falling asleep, being on suicide watch, but still having access to super material.

Yeah, I I think there's suspicion and I think we've got to keep getting the files out, but that may be something we never are able to figure out.

This is Mike Yagley. He's an independent contractor, data analyst, and security specialist who provides critical intelligence support to elite military units and to the three-letter agencies that everyone watching this is familiar with. In other words, Mike's skill set is that in real time, he can track the location of nearly anyone in the world using specialized methods. And three-letter agencies hire him for this reason. He says in his possession is a version of the Epstein files, and he speaks on his theories based on the information he's reviewed. school teacher without a degree that magically got worth hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars.

It's kind of like congressmen that come to Washington with a net worth of 100,000 bucks and 3 years later they've got $8.4 million net worth. How did that happen?

Who is Gain Maxwell?

She was the madam. She was the one female that could talk to a talk to an impressionable 15-year-old girl who wanted to be a model for the limited. basically grooming these young girls and bringing them to Epstein. She was there recruiting more junior high and high school students for Epstein. She was part of the abuse and for her to now get pardoned is a slap in the face of every survivor. Do you think there it's possible that's going to happen?

This president is capable of anything. I also thought it was a slam dunk would release the Epstein file. Something is there that's forcing him not to release it.

Gain Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell.

Her dad was an interesting character. There's no doubt about that. Now, Glain Maxwell was Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime that made this business work. And she has a very interesting background. She's pictured here with her father, Robert Maxwell, who happened to be a media mogul, a textbook publisher, a known asset of MSAD, and he died under very suspicious circumstances. He is very well known to have worked for Israel and MSAD through most of his life. Robert Maxwell was in publishing. He was a publisher, a power publisher, and his operation very much seems to be an influence operation focused around information and publishing largely textbooks, the educational stuff that we all grew up reading. So, it's possible that the the social studies book that I read in class in fifth grade that Robert Maxwell, Chellain Maxwell's dad, Jeffrey Epstein's father-in-law, in a way,

in a way. Yeah.

Had a hand in.

Oh, absolutely.

Yes, you heard that right. Robert Maxwell, Galain's father, was a textbook mogul whose company McMillan Inc. made a joint venture with McGra Hill. And this partnership made them the second biggest publisher of American textbooks in the late 80s and early 90s. In fact, you may have used one of his books to study in your class at school. And while it is not official that he was working for Israel or MSAD, he was a British citizen that was given a lavish funeral in a historic Israeli cemetery that was reportedly attended by the Israeli president, top Israeli intelligence officials, and the eulogy was given by their prime minister, who said that Maxwell was almost a mythological figure. Yeah, it sounds like it. So, it seems at least one thing Epstein and Maxwell had in common was having frequent contact with Israeli prime ministers. But more on that later in this episode. He had stolen all kinds of crazy money and then he just fell off his boat and died and all the money went missing. No one ever found it. Heard some interesting theories about how Epstein seems to have turned up with a very similar amount of money basically that same year. [Music] And what happened is there was a cover up. Epstein got a slap on the wrist. There was no one who talked to the survivors and a lot of other rich and powerful men who he farmed out underage girls to basically uh have not been held accountable. Thomas Massie and I, Republican, Democrat, I said, "Release the files." And we called the survivors to the steps of the capital. For 10 years, no one had heard them. They started telling their stories. They broke down in tears.

But I wasn't the only one. None of us were.

Well, if a country can't stand up for survivors, we've lost our moral soul. If we can't protect children, we've lost our moral soul. This is not political. It's it's a moral issue. And we're going to fight to get these files released. A lot of independents like myself cheered for Trump over Camala because one of the things he campaigned on was releasing the Epstein files. He is now calling it a Democratic hoax. All but then at the same time, he's the key contributor of an agent helping bring it down. Which one is it? Recently, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson claimed

he kicked him out of Marilago. He was an FBI informant to try to take the this this stuff down.

Then Mr. Mike Johnson changed his story to this.

If I use the right word, I said FBI informant. I'm not sure. I wasn't there. This isn't my lane.

So this guy that's third in line of the presidency isn't sure whether Trump is an FBI informant or not. And because the White House narrative on Epstein changes so fast, my question to Nancy Mace was, which story is it? I hear, "Hey, this is a witch hunt with the media who've lied about him for years." So, like, I get his frustration. They're trying to portray him as this horrible human being when he's actually not the bad guy. He's not the boogeyman in this. The boogeyman is dead. And his little black book, who knows where it is. And I do think there is a massive cover up. I don't think Trump, he has nothing to do with it.

I read something that a thousand FBI agents are working around the clock to redact his name in particular. ABC News and other outlets reported in July of 2025 that Pam Bonnie allegedly told Trump that his name was in the Epstein files. Then Senator Dick Durban made the allegation that the FBI was having agents work around the clock to cover for Trump. Now, if the claims of Senator Durban are true, it is disturbing to learn what lengths this administration will go to to cover this story up.

We don't have a thousand ages we can dedicate to one thing like that. They're just impossible nonsense.

Physically impossible. [Music] We know that Trump is in the files.

What makes you sure to say that?

Hank Johnson is a Democratic congressman from Georgia. Here was his take on the current state of the Epstein file coverup.

Well, because he had a thousand FBI agents combing through the records to remove his name. The Epstein saga is not a hoax. It's not uh fake. It is real. Thousands of victims, not just from the United States of America, but from across the world. They're not buying the [ __ ] Maybe 20 years ago when somebody could go and meet the press and the story was controlled in a news cycle that lasted for 20 minutes on with Tim Rustard, you could get away with that. I don't think you can get away with that anymore.

Now they're saying, "What force is so powerful that even Donald Trump is not able to release these files?"

I saw that uh for the petition to release the files, only four Republicans put their name on it.

Courageous four courageous Republicans though,

three of them women, Lauren Boowbert, MTG,

Nancy Mace,

and Massie.

Massie. Where the hell are the rest of the Republicans on this?

Possibly vote against it. Well, it hasn't come for a vote yet. So, we just signed our names to it. Once it gets to 218 very soon, then it'll come to the floor for a vote of

Let's look more at the question of why Republicans are largely not voting to release the Epson files. Well, first, let's consider that the Trump administration allegedly declared it to be a hostile act if they voted for the release. Interesting. To the common man, it appears most Republicans are compromising their integrity because they are intimidated or afraid of Donald Trump, allegedly. And to me, the story of a party acting spineless to protect their leader instead of doing what they are supposed to do, which is represent us, their voting base, is similar to when the Democrats pretended that former President Joe Biden was not a dementia patient running for reelection. The bottom line is lying or covering for your party is cowardly and we as Americans should be mad when either side does this. [Music] Surprisingly, we're getting one of the top Democrats, probably the top Democrat, uh, Chuck Schumer to speak to us. Hey,

you can hear me on that, too. [Music] By the way, this is the original Gilbert Stewart of George Washington. They used it for the portrait of the dollar bill. Isn't that amazing?

This is a beautiful building to be in,

isn't it? Yeah.

You try to pass a resolution to prompt the release of the EP files,

right? We did. uh they don't want to vote on it, but we found a good way to force them to vote on it today and we did and they're squirming because so many of them have said Mitch McConnell has said release the Epstein files. John Thun has said release the Epstein files. Marshia Blackburn has said it. Tom Johnson has said it. They've all said it. Now they get a vote and they vote to dis concealing it.

Why?

What the hell are they afraid of? They're either covering up for Donald Trump who we know is worried about these files because he lied about it constantly. He's the one who made a campaign issue out of this. He said release the Epstein files. him Pat Cash Patel Pam said they're the ones who pushed to release the files and frankly a good number of people even on the MAGA right said release the files as well cuz they thought hey maybe this shows that Donald Trump is part of the whole corrupt uh scheme uh that he claims to want to undo. No one believes Trump. [Music] So last night we met with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and they forced a vote to try and release the Epstein files and uh it failed 51 to 49. The Republicans squashed it. We're going to meet with our Wisconsin friend Ron Johnson who voted against it. Ron, we have to have a very candid conversation here because two years ago you told me you wanted to release the file.

Do you believe that there's anything fishy about the death of Jeffrey Epstein?

Most certainly it's fishy. the cover up of the list of individuals that visited Epstein Island.

Doesn't that seem crazy is pretty is pretty fishy. I will say I think this true is is mainly people of the left that Jeffrey Epstein was courting and that took advantage of his island pleasures.

Don't you feel like anyone that's on that list should be looked into?

Well, I think we should have a full investigation of Jeffrey Epstein and his activities.

Does it feel like it's been kind of brushed under the bus?

Yes, because it has been.

We're going to find more of that out in just a few minutes here. [Music] Now is the time for a few good men to come to the aid of their country. Hello. Hi.

How are you? Good.

Good. I'm Tommy. I'm here for an interview with uh Mr. Johnson. And then look, I mean, who knows? This might be true, but otherwise this is the culture war is getting fanned with this. I wonder if a foreign country would like it if we were divided about that kind of stuff.

All right. Well, let's get you in.

Yes. Yeah,

thank you.

Hey there,

Mr. Johnson. Tom,

how you doing?

Good to see you again, man.

How are you? Two years ago when we met, uh, we talked about releasing the Epstein files.

Last night, I was shocked to hear there was a resolution on the floor and it didn't pass. You voted against it 49 to 51 against releasing the Epson files.

Well, understand that was that was a poison pill. in a process of trying to pass the National Defense Authorization Act. First of all, I'm as curious as anybody.

Morning. How are you?

I'm Tommy. Nice to meet you guys. Nice to meet you.

Where would you like us to set up?

Um, I think you are going to be in the conference room.

Hey, an absolute honor. My name's Thomas. Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you.

I think one of the things that really annoys people is they think, well, maybe some rich people don't have the same justice. I'm just an ordinary person. I live in a middle-ass home, but this really rich guy can do stuff, you know, that if I did, I'd go to jail. And I think that's the way I look at the Epstein thing. I don't have any facts about it. I'm not consumed by it, but at the same time, I think that uh there's a perception out there that wealthy people got away with stuff and that something's being hidden.

So, you you started out talking about Epstein. It's certainly not my priority, but let's start out truthfully. Let's start out and talk about what happened yesterday. What happened to Charlie Kirk dwarfs I mean the Epstein file is dwarfed by the implications of what happened

Senator Johnson I agree with all of these points I agree but I do feel like we are derailing from the Epstein file you had no again, we'll get to the Epstein files I don't have that much to say about them because I don't know anything about them

then why did you vote against releasing it

because that was a charade that was a poison pill trying to derail the passage passage of the National Defense Authorization Act. The Epstein files will eventually get released. Okay.

We followed up with a couple Senate offices to see if they knew what Ron Johnson meant by this poison pill theory he's talking about, and they were just as confused as we were.

You spoke with some of those victims last week. What can you tell the American people? What you learned in that meeting?

I was moved moved to tears.

Well, I think my face showed it all. I left the meeting early in tears. It was just really I'm going through something that's very raw and very similar. I'm about just under two years into my own uh trauma. I want to say that these women are very very brave.

Can I ask you a question about that?

Yeah, sure.

So, how does it feel to have your whole party turning against you, to have the president turning against you, to have all this political power coming to bear on you just for trying to hold accountable in our government? Well, uh, as long as I've got the people back home for me and the people out in the country for me, that's okay. I've never tried to make it my priority to, uh, worry about my friendships here. I think half the reason people are motivated to keep them secret is embarrassment.

We are looking at the most blatant cover up. The dumbest lies are being used. Are you not sure that there's something fishy going on?

I think there's something very fishy going on. And then you had one of the victims that died recently, Virginia.

Virginia Guy. According to Trump's own words, Virginia Guffrey appears to be a key part of why he and Epstein had a falling out. And we'll cover this more in detail later in the episode.

I'm I'm happy to try and extract those from the government. Yesterday's vote wasn't the time to do it.

Okay. The Wall Street Journal published what may or may not be a birthday card from Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein. They're known friends, known associates, many photos together, but Trump is suing them for $10 billion for defamation and other reasons. Is that a threat to freedom of speech to sue someone $10 billion for publishing something?

First of all, I think I think President Trump is involved in something like 3,000 lawsuits in business. Unbelievable.

It's it's what he does. You know,

for a guy who keeps talking about free speech, free spee free speech, free speech, he's awfully sensitive when the speech is speech he doesn't like. just

what again what I what I what I've just read is that you know you know three forensic handwriting an analyst say that is not that is not Trump.

Well I uh tracked down the survivors lawyers and we went to Epstein's estate and we said okay send us this birthday book. And lo and behold the birthday book existed. They sent us the birthday book and it turns out that there was Donald Trump's letter. On the day we were in DC covering the story, the Wall Street Journal republished what they claimed was a birthday card from Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein. In response, Trump filed a $10 billion defamation lawsuit against the journal, saying that it caused him quote overwhelming financial and reputational harm. And folks, this seems to be the Trump family playbook. If you print something they don't like, they might just hit you with a massive, almost impossibly big lawsuit. I mean, just recently, Melania Trump sued Hunter Biden for over $1 billion over a claim that Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump allegedly. And it then occurred to me that Trump might sue me for this very episode. So, I called my lawyer to get his take.

Tommy G.,

how you doing, man?

Good. How are you?

I'm now getting a little bit scared that I'm going to get sued by the Trumps for an obscene amount of money.

Well, just always say it's been said, it's been alleged. We don't have like much of this. We don't have factual support, but it's been, you know, some have the opinion that just couch what you're saying.

And then what if I still do that and he still sues me?

Well, that'd be great for your career.

You don't think he'll win?

No.

So, it's a nonsense lawsuit just to scare people?

Yep.

And would it get thrown out by most reasonable people?

Yeah, because he's a public figure. They're both public figures. So they'd have to show that you have actual malice towards him. Also, um I I just wouldn't be too too afraid of this.

This brings us to the bigger issue of free speech. If publications and journalists are scared into silence or sued into bankruptcy, this sets a dangerous precedent for journalism in this country. And in fact, a week after these interviews were filmed, Trump has now also sued the New York Times for $15 billion also for defamation. So, before I comment more on this Epstein story, first a quick disclaimer. In case Donald Trump or his lawyers see this, I want to make it absolutely clear that his signature on the birthday card is is totally fake and it's fake news. Um, and so, just to show you how fake it is, we're going to compare it to real signatures from Donald Trump. Here, you guys can see it for yourself. Now that we've conclusively proved that it's not real, uh, let's move on to another subject. Are they being blackmailed, threatened? Well, that's a question. Who's controlling this? What are the powerful interests? Why is there such a reluctance to release it? It's like they're making it a bigger and a bigger story every day that they don't release it. Would he be acting in a way where he is hiding something?

It's it's hard to explain. From a technical perspective, I don't think there's anything that he needs to be needs to avoid. That technical information is available.

He's saying it's a nothing story and it's a hoax. Do you believe that?

I believe that there are Democrats that are using it as a wedge, as a political wedge, and they're trying to infer that he's a nefarious person. I do think that that is part of what he's describing when he says hoax. I don't think nobody thinks that these women are lying. Nobody does. Absolutely nobody.

I think it's hard to look at this situation and say, "Yeah, Donald Trump is being very transparent and he's not trying to bury this." He's trying to say that when people ask him in a press conference like, "Why are you even asking about this? How dare you? This is old news."

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. Are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable. Do you think these files should be released completely unredacted for all of us to see?

I I yes I believe in full disclosure of the files uh releasing all the names everything but we would need to ensure that we redact for any child sexual abuse material or CCM underage kids.

Sure.

And that we would redact the names of victims. So that would be my only caveat to that. Yes, release it all and for that I'm on the bill. I've signed the discharge petition and I will be v voting for the bill when it comes to the floor of the house in a couple of weeks.

And we applaud you for that. Honestly, it's refreshing to see people going for transparency. So, people are very happy that you're doing that. Let's talk facts about the relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. He previously said, "I don't know the guy."

Oh, that come on.

Yeah, he knew the guy.

Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?

What do you mean by personal relationships?

Have you socialized with him?

Yes, sir.

Yes.

Yes, sir. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?

Though I'd like to answer that question at least today, I'm going to have to assert my fifth, sixth, and 14th amendment right sir.

So there are five people taking the fifth amendment like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? I know I'm not friends with any professional sex traffickers or or pedophiles. I think like when when you're

Yeah.

This to me is suspicious of You said you didn't know the guy. We were tired.

I mean, he's he's been photographed with him. I mean, they

Yeah. We were We were tired during the Biden administration of lies. A lot of us, especially independents, were like, "Man, this is the time that the veil is actually get peeled back. The JFK files, the Epstein files, there's going to be transparency. the guy that was targeted by the justice system is now going to and it seems like to the average person watching this that our very own

but a birthday can we at least agree a birthday card as gross as that is uh has nothing to do with trafficking. I mean there's no

not at all but he says he didn't know the guy. You knew the guy

aside from the numerous photos that they've had together aside from the new reporting about the birthday book and the letters that he sent to him that's coming out

allegedly. Aside from all of the statements from both of them that they were very close friends. Aside from everyone that saw them hanging out together all through the8s. Aside from all that, yeah, we don't really know.

Why specifically did Trump and Epstein have a falling out? Apparently,

Trump claims that Epstein took staff from his spa, took Virginia Grey and maybe others from his hotel.

And how old was Virginia at this time?

I believe that she was 16 at the time that she was taken from the spa. I don't know for sure. I know that she was 17 with with Andrew. when you're talking about victims, like it feels like it matters extra to tell their story as truly as you can to what they said because of everything they've gone through. And especially Virginia who not only went through the recruitment, the grooming, the abuse for years, but also everything since and the bravery to tell the story and to in one way or another give her life to the story and to the victims in general to expose this. We owe her a great deal. I can't imagine that two dudes as close as Trump and Epstein were back then that are into the evil things that Epstein was definitely into and the questionable things that Donald Trump has openly talked about having been into

such as

such as pageantry such as walking into the dressing rooms at his pageantss while they are changing.

Donald Trump loves a beauty pageant and by his own admission he was no stranger backstage while owning parts of three different pageantss for nearly two decades. standing there with no is everybody okay? And you see these incredible looking women and so I sort of get away with things like that.

I find it hard to imagine that they're breaking up their whole friendship because one of them was trying to recruit employees from a spa. Who knows? Everyone has their own theories, but I suspect that Trump is implicated in the files in some ways. And that doesn't even necessarily mean that he committed a crime. Doesn't mean that he ever had sex with a minor. Doesn't mean they have him on camera doing anything. It could just mean that he did business deals alongside these people over the years.

Folks, when I hear about the mysterious and nefarious character of Jeffrey Epstein, it makes me wonder what he was like in person. In 2002, Trump said, quote, "He's a great guy." But Melinda Gates, who met him once, described her meeting with him like this.

He was abhorrent. He was evil personified. I had nightmares about it afterwards. In fact, her husband Bill Gates relationship with Epstein was so disturbing that it was a key reason she ended her marriage of 27 years to one of the world's richest men. And because Trump considered Epste to be a great guy and even invited him to a second wedding in 1993, I was curious what caused Trump to stop being pals with Epstein. Here's what Trump said about it.

But I said if he's taking anybody from Mara Lago, he's hiring or whatever he's doing. I didn't like it.

Other people would come and complain, this guy is taking people from the spa. I didn't know that. And then when I heard about it, I told him, I said, "Listen, we don't want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa." He was fine. And then not too long after that, he did it again. And I said, "Out of here."

Did one of those stolen um you know, persons that include Virginia?

Uh I don't know. I think she worked at the spa. Another theory on Trump and Epstein's falling out speculates that it was a bidding war on a 60,000 ft mansion that contributed towards the end of their friendship allegedly.

So, hypothetically, you could speculate on the Epson files.

Hypothetically, I could say that one could name names, the names that everybody wants to know.

But from what you've seen, is President Trump implicated in the files? I don't know if there was something in there that was damning to him as a man, let alone candidate. I think that [ __ ] would have come out uh during the election, during the criminal trials. I think the Democrats would have gotten it out if there was something there. Mikeley brings up a point that a lot of Republicans have also said, which is why is it that much of the mainstream media and many of the Democrats seemingly refused to cover Epstein and Trump's relationship until now? It doesn't make sense to me either. If the files are so damaging to Trump, why didn't the left unleash this on him during the election cycle, which surely would have been the strategic move? Or is it possible that the damage the Epstein files will cause is so great to both Democrats and Republicans that both sides are too scared for the files to truly come out? I'd love to hear your theory in the comments. I try to avoid the Trump side of it because there is a whole rabbit hole to go down on Trump of his history with people like Roy Con, his history with Epste, his history with these business deals and with these pageantss and all these things. But ultimately, I care more about the Epstein files themselves because they're way bigger than Trump. It's not just Trump that's implicated. It's our entire government. It's our entire deep state apparatus.

Allegedly,

that's the thing about blackmail. You don't know who's controlled. You don't know who's compromised. We don't know how many strings are being pulled.

If you had to speculate what kinds of people are on this list as far as the positions they hold, the power they have,

I think you would see high-profile media types, university presidents, CEOs beyond those that have already uh been called out, actors, rappers. You might see a religious figure here and there.

Do you think foreign intelligence operatives are involved in this?

I do. Can you speak more about how this could be a honeypot operation?

I think a lot of Americans don't have a strong understanding of how blackmail works because it's not something that we deal with in our regular lives. And I think that a lot of Americans are starting to think about it more and understand it more. And most people arrive at the very surface level first and they think that's the whole story. You'd think it's like, oh, you get them on camera having sex with a minor and then you own them and they do everything you tell them to. And ultimately, that's not the only form of blackmail or honeypot that works. And ultimately, it's never that simple. Everyone does things in their life that they're ashamed of that they would rather be able to take back. But that blackmail that you have from your past, your past baggage, it never goes away. And so as you achieve a position of power later in life, you bring all that baggage with you for better and for worse. And if anyone can find it and exploit it, then maybe you are about to work for them. Do you think it's likely that Jeffrey Epstein was part of an intelligence agency uh and this was a honeypot operation to compromise people with blackmail?

I think that every option is on the table. I think it's an absolute possibility. I think, you know, I've never seen a honeypot operation, but I've heard stories of honeypot operations in our country, other countries, that it's a thing that they do. Davos, for example, that there are stories of prostitutes that show up and all these things go on. You have to think to yourself, we're not that stupid or that gullible. Somebody's filming something somewhere and going to hold it to hold it over someone's head for some deal.

I would be shocked if that does not go. Now, this is the infamous jet, the Lolita Express that some of the most influential and powerful people in the world took this jet to places like his island where they did unspeakable things with miners. And this was likely part of the whole blackmail operation. But let me draw your attention to back to this. Now, how did Epstein get this jet? Well, he bought it from none other than our friend Leslie Wagner, the guy that owns Victoria's Secret. And not only did he buy the jet from him, but he also happened to be this billionaire's financial adviser, even though Jeffrey Epstein got fired from Wall Street. What qualification did Epstein have to advise billionaires on their financial assets? I don't know. It doesn't make sense.

Who is Leslie Wexner?

Leslie Wexner is one of the wealthiest and most powerful Jewish scientist philanthropists and business owners in the world. He's a multi-billionaire. He lives in Ohio. He's from Ohio. and he founded LB Brands which is ba best known for Victoria's Secret. It's also Bath & Body Works. It's also Hollister, Abocrombie, and Fitch. It's a whole bunch of these brands. Leslie Wexner had Jeffrey Epstein managing basically his whole estate for over a decade. Um he later claimed that Jeffree stole money from him and that he didn't know anything about what Jeffrey Epste was up to because it's plausibly deniable because he had signed over power of attorney. So Jeffrey Epste could have done anything and he would never have known. Um so it's awfully coincidental. And then it's also coincidental that his other giant company Hollister Abberrombie and Fitch that was run by a too he put in his guy Mike Jeff when he bought Abbercrombie and Fitch in I believe 98 or late '90s he put in Mike Jeff as his CEO to turn the company around and Abberrombie bought Hollister they started targeting more young people they launched all of the fashion cataloges for the young male model thing and it turns out that that CEO that he put in was running a giant male sexual pedile ring. and he was flying these young male models to like go and have crazy ories with all sorts of messed up [ __ ] going on all around the world and that guy just got popped last year and they wrapped it up with the insanity defense cuz he has Alzheimer's and he can't remember. So it's just kind of weird that Leslie Wexner who was the bankroll behind Jeffrey Epstein had two different was running two of his giant fashion brands in the modeling industry and no one's ever asked him a single question. He's still a billionaire living in a mansion in Ohio and he's completely free. Do you see any overlap between the Epstein story and Israel?

I don't know because I don't know what the files are. There are some people who have alleged that Mossad is involved or that there are a foreign intelligence involved. Uh I don't know. What I do know from Bradley Edwards, the lawyer of the victims, is he says that they're foreign actors involved. Now, you might be wondering who some of the shatter figures leaving Epstein's house masked up are. Well, that's none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Ahood Barack. What was he doing there?

We have recent email leaks from Ahood Barack that is his entire email inbox from almost a year's worth of time and they communicated almost every day, often multiple times a day, direct contact about basically everything that they were doing. He also visited him frequently and it there's a whole year of time where Ahoud Barack's known visits to Epstein were monthly on a schedule. Most people were visiting Epstein in what seemed like a leisure sense, but Ahood Barack was visiting him on a regular schedule. And he was also sneaking in and out of Epstein's mansion in disguise. Jeffrey Epste referred not just a Hoop Barack but also Benjamin Netanyahu to JP Morgan. That's the current prime minister of Israel. Why is a random lone referring the current prime minister of Israel to JP Morgan

allegedly?

Oh, that's a that's very well proven.

I'm scared of getting sued again. One theory we heard is that um Trump's not in the files in a bad way, but the reason that he's protecting it is because the fallout could be so great that it could collapse governments. It could collapse.

So So and I' I've stated this on 9/11 as well. It's it's the Jack Nicholson. You that comment, can you handle the truth?

You want answers.

I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. It's a legitimate responsibility of the leader to take a look at something and go this is probably better kept hidden. It's possible that what he is protecting or trying to avoid would be a crisis considering hypothetically who is probably involved.

So you think no matter who this impacts we should go after them?

Absolutely. you and other Republicans, if top Republicans were named on the Epstein file, would you guys be willing to take care of them and to make sure that they

regardless of party? If you're a child rapist, you should see capital punishment. You should get the death penalty.

Americans can handle the truth. Americans deserve the truth from their government. I think we will pass the House which is a huge issue with a MAGA House passing it and I think there will be a lot of momentum to pass it in the Senate but then Donald Trump can veto it. What are the implications if we don't release the Epson files? When John F. Kennedy was president, trust in America was 60%. Today it's in the teens. People don't believe the government's working for them. People believe the rich and powerful don't have accountability. People believe that the whole thing is rigged and they elected Trump partly to unrig it. And now they see 7 months in, he's part of the whole swamp. If we don't have the release, we're going to continue to erode trust in self-government. The main thing about Epstein that everyone should know right now is that we don't need the files. The files are in many ways meaningless. Yes, it would be great to have our law enforcement agencies doing their job and investigating the case and looking for evidence to take down people that were involved, whether they were co-conspirators or whether they were clients, so to speak. We don't need them and we don't need those files because we already have in the public domain way more than enough to prosecute many people that were involved to interview at least many more. And they're all just out there walking free. Folks, one of the coolest things about being an American is by questioning the narrative, questioning our government, demanding truth, and not being afraid to speak out about anything. Part of American history, if you go all the way back to the Boston Tea Party, is questioning a government that we view to be tyrannical. And this government has decades of lying under its belt, both Republican and Democrat. They owe it to us. We are the ones that foot the bill. We are the ones that can't afford health care, housing, food on the table while these people are protecting a billionaire sex trafficking pedophile ring. So folks, I say to you, read as many books as you can. Get in the gym and get in fighting shape. Get ready to rumble because if [ __ ] needs to hit the fan, you better be ready. Folks, this is Tommy G. I love my life. I love you and I love this country. Signing off. See you next week. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Folks, hope you enjoyed this episode. You want to watch another here. You want to subscribe over here. See you next week.